Nick Clegg came out with the best line of the day...
When a ship is sinking, you send out the lifeboats. You don't argue about who has steered it into an iceberg. That can wait for another day.His question was also bang on the money. For the first time, he shone at PMQs. Cameron concentrated on executive pay and bonuses while Clegg, in his follow up, talked about the effects of the crisis on ordinary families and called for tax loopholes to be closed and for tax cuts.
All in all, it was a subdued PMQs and for a change it generated more light than heat. I score it...
Gordon Brown 7 David Cameron 6 Nick Clegg 8
99 comments:
I did think that the Conservative backbenchers struck the wrong note. They seemed to be trying to score narrow political points - essentially, 'will the PM confirm that we're going into recession?'
The sooner Dave and his chums realise that brown and his comrades will fight to the death to cling to power, the better.
If you hand these scum bags an olive branch, they'll just take it from you and start beating you over the head with it.
When the time is right, Cameron needs to find a way to ram home the message that a large part of this crisis was created by the moronic policies of brown and his acolytes.
Disaster, Cameron is now complicit in this deranged scheme of Brown's.
The problem we have is not knowing how this 'rescue' is going to be funded. It is fine to say you send out the lifeboats when a ship is sinking, but where are the lifeboats going to come from and how can we be sure the lifeboats available will be sufficient to carry out the rescue?
Cameron was wrong not to challenge Gordon. when it all goes pear shaped(and it will)then Gordon will just say that the Conservatives supported everything he did. Not Impressed by Cameron 0 out of 10 from me.
And Where is the money coming from, tax hikes, public spending cuts or both? WHY DIDN'T DAVE ASK?
I can see where Cameron is coming from... he needs to be careful not to appear to be off-side on the rescue plan. However, he should avoid at all costs having any kind of ownership in the scheme.
Frankly, if (if) it works then good for us but if not he needs to be quick to point the finger of blame towards Brown.
Anyway, statesman like support done... Cameron now needs to apply serious pressure and I mean serious pressure on Labour. They have much responsibility for the problems we're facing and the Conservatives shouldn't delay bringing them into public view.
And yes Iain, I agree with your scoring of PMQ's
Good to see McParliament back!, although three months break is far too long, give the poor lambs just August off i say!.
Also, why has the Scottish Parliament North been open for business for weeks while the Scottish Parliament South was closed?.
Has anyone read the live blogging on Guido? It is absolutely awful. A bunch of stupid, ignorant, homophobic people commenting. Nothing inciteful, just plain bile mainly.
It sums up Guido's site to be honest. It's getting f*cking ridiculous.
I thought Clegg was very good - a sensible man.
Brown's best yet.. He really is "the right man for the job..The most experienced leader in a financial crisis. "
Maybe that's why he helped engineer the crisis
Anon - 1.04 - oh good grief man/woman - get off whatever home made plinth that you're sermonising from. Droll. There's a massive difference between going for deranged wit and beng phobic about anything. You're obviously a very boring & quite ignorant individual.
What seems to be overlooked a lot with PMQs, is when Clegg stands up and begins by paying tribute to fallen British Soldier, the Labour Backbenchers carry on shouting and jeering.
Today, Clegg seemed to glare at them at one point and rightly so, it's a complete lack of respect that happens far too often.
Snappy line from Clegg, you could argue though that if a ship is heading for an iceberg, it is lunacy to jump onboard.
"Has anyone read the live blogging on Guido? It is absolutely awful. A bunch of stupid, ignorant, homophobic people commenting. Nothing inciteful, just plain bile mainly."
Was hilarious on local/mayoral election night. Can raise quite a few laughs at PMQs. Presumably you're one of the thin skinned easily-offended brigade. Maybe you should get out more?
Anon @ 1.04pm
My advice to you, young man, is to install a plastic sheet over your mattress. Then you'll be OK.
Coffee House PMQs werdict: Brown won this encounter.
Sorry Iain, you're way off. Not man enough to admit what the rest of us saw?
Dave should have been on the attack.
One obvious question. "I thank the Prime Minister for following Conservative proposals to increase the financial services compensation scheme for savers from £35k to £50k, albeit it took you over twelve months to do the right thing. Yet why does the UK FSCS say that they will try to compensate savers within 6 months? why has the Prime Minister not implemented the Conservative proposal that All savers will be compensated within 7 days?
How does the Prime minister expect a pensioner who is reliant on his /her life savings to get through the coming winter without access to their savings?"
Within 6 months (could be longer and) interest lost for all that period, is simply Not good enough.
Anonymous @1:04pm
You are Derek Draper and I claim my £50K guarantee limit
Rant on: HOW THE HELL did £500 billion of taxpayer's money get used for this? It is absolutely disgusting, and for the Conservatives to back the govt on it is unbelievable! I am thoroughly disappointed in the Conservatives, and you don't hear me say that a lot. Where was the debate? Who is speaking for me? I'm speechless...
Quite right Mike. Where was the debate?
What right have the Government to spend what is actually more than the Paulson Bailout without one single debate in Parliament?
unelected PM surrounded by unelected ministers....IT Stinks!!
And then a Conservative leader backs a Labour Government in nationalising our banks without so much as a murmer. It still Stinks!!
What the heck is Cameron playing at?
If Cameron does not pressure on Brown blaming him for the situation we are in, the Poll ratings will show in favour of Labour. Labour is a slimy, slithering and sleazy bunch whose government let the banks lend irresponsibly and Brown at that time was busy preaching Europe and the whole world about light regulation he instituted and advising them to buy his brand of snake oil that cures the boom and bust. He is discredited and Cameron and co should pin this home made problem engineered by Brown on to him. We had signs of problems long before USA caught the fever. I recollect independent economists warning about the credit run society and Brown the Scottish History researcher, not an economic wizard, brushed them aside. The Tories nail this bottler for letting this country into this position.
Come on though, those comments on Guido's site are pretty sh*t though arent they. Sort of toilet wall commentary. I wasnt particularly offended by it, but amazed what losers those people are.
Well funny though, you're right 'no longer anonymous'.
What's the point of the live blogging? It makes Guido's normally quite funny site look a bit sh*t.
Kev G - I actually quite like the plastic sheet line, why don't you go over to Guido's site and crack some gags like that. You might wanna prefix your comments with 'f*cking homo' or something though.
Anonymous: Stop trolling about Guido's site and contribute to this discussion if you can - even if it's just effete rage like my opst ;)
I was so impressed by the questions that I fell asleep during them. Brown doing his usual tractor statistics and Cameron sounding more like somebody from the looney left. Did Clegg say something of import? - Must have passed me by. I see that the FTSE is back down again after the 0.5% fix.
Could not agree with you more Iain. I thought Browns final riposte was typical of this mean spirited man. Very poor style. However, I am slightly concerned that with all the coverage Brown is getting right now the Cons are being squeezed out. There has to be a day of reckoning when the reality of Brown's terrible handling of the economy can be set out clearly. Raiding our pension funds and selling our gold for a pittance being two clear examples of his incompetence.
Canvas @ 1.05pm
I thought Clegg was very good - a sensible man.
Yes, quite. What you don't take account of though is that all disciples know that Rennard is the real leader of the L/D's (elections not required ever for the position of Chief Executive, cf. Leader or President) so shouldn't he really be taking a good portion of the credit?
Would someone like to enlighten me as to the point of an opposition that doesn't oppose? Supine and clueless are words that immediately spring to mind WRT 'call me Dave's part. May as well sign us all up for the one party state now - useless.
I hate Gordon Brown. I hate him for getting us into this mess. I hate his ridiculous attempts to portray himself as a statesman. I hate his false claims that only he can sort out the mess he's created. I hate his obsequious fawning attitude towards rich foreign crooks. I hate the way he looks and the way he talks. I hate his baying backbench mob who are too stupid to understand or care about the gravity of the situation. I hate the fact that Labour imposed him as Prime Minister without consulting the electorate. I hate his unjustified sense of entitlement. I hate his appointment of Peter Mandelson. I hate the damage he is doing to the reputation of our country. I hate his lying propagandists Campbell and Draper. I hate him for not keeping us safe and for wasting and losing our money.
There is absolutely no way Gordon Brown's stuffed dummy performance at PMQs or in any other arena will ever be scored more than zero by me.
Afraid not Iain:
Brown 8, Cameron 4, Clegg 4
Young Dave was floundering all over the place. Obviously didn't know whether to attack the City/banks for being incompetent, pea-brained tories prats who had run wild for years (since the poisonous Thatcher economic adventurism, in fact) or whether to attack nulab for continuing the tory policy of letting them. So compromised by pleading with Gordon to attack the tory banker fatcats.
Face it chaps, it's not too late to ditch a lame duck leader. Bring back Michael Howard.
"I wasnt particularly offended by it, but amazed what losers those people are."
Seeing as most of Guido's readers are from Oxbridge or the City I'd think twice before saying that.
2.21pm
"why don't you go over to Guido's site and crack some gags like that"
Because you showed up here. Sorry, am I missing something?
"You might wanna prefix …"
Nah, don't think so. The put-down did the job without such embellishment, as you are gallant enough to admit.
Right. I've given you the 15 seconds of attention you so obviously crave. Now get on with your Key Stage III, and remember, no plagiarising from the internet.
I thought Dave was in a no win situation - he couldn't attack because that would be ridiculous. He had to support the treasury activity or come up with a viable alternative. Brown is gonna be hoisted by his own petard but today was not the day for Dave to attack.
labourparty, did you actually see how I scored it? Muppet.
Cameron must attack Brown about waste and insist he cuts his coat according to what cloth he has left.
We need massive spending cuts - not on essential services but on all the IT lunacies, quangos and so on and also on this endless hiring of expensive, non-productive jobsworths in local and national government.
no longer anonymous at 2.58pm said... "Seeing as most of Guido's readers are from Oxbridge or the City I'd think twice before saying that."
Yes... because we all know what a clever lot they are in the City.
Much as I'd like to say otherwise, Cameron is NOT any solution. What's needed is a new political scene - a new political entity that tells the TRUTH of what is really happening.
But the media will not allow it - they are happy to keep the Titanic going full steam into the iceberg dead ahead.
Believe me, people's heads are going to be sucked out the sand on economic matters when the iceberg takes the strain - the only loser will be the Titanic. And it will go down with all hands on deck whilst Brown, Darling & Co continue playing the mood music.
What a sexy little ensemble they make!
I wondered why it was quiet over at Guidos place today. All of Dolly's lickspittles are here.
In the US, when they handed over $700 Billion to the zionist bankers, there was uproar. Votes, adjustments, more votes, debate, ammendments, debate.
Here, there was a diktat from the Politburo at 07:30 this morning that my unborn grandchildren are already in debt to the tune of £10,000 each.
Meanwhile, Ed Balls gives Muslims £1.3M to set up a cabinet hotline
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/65063/Muslims-get-1-3m-hotline-to-Cabinet
and dictates that each and every primary school must now have a "political" officer to report 5 year olds to the police for their thoughts.
http://www.bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/
We really are living in the DDR. Thanks Gordon.
(PS. there are 60,000,000 of us and only 646 of you. We have rope)
Tell Derek about my little walk on November 5th. I won't be alone
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2008/07/old-holborn-is-going-for-walk.html
As usual a tactical play from Brown with nasty strategic consequences.
Cameron tries to 'be helpful' by not going at Brown hammer and tongs during a crisis. Brown waves him the finger.
End result will be a renewed onslaught against Brown personally.
He doesn't play the long game because he cannot this 'master stategist' in No.10.
I guess that should be 'Strategist'!
On the other hand 'Stategist' seems about right to describe Brown does it not?
I would make a better Chancellor than either Brown or Darling (not hard) - see http://racheljoyce.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-would-make-better-chancellor-than.html
Labour have chosen to bury bad news today by announcing the loss of 3,000 government IT workers. They have used this bailout package to annnounce this news. What a cynical ploy.
I presume that if 3,000 highly skilled IT workers are going to lose their jobs Labour will suspend any IT worker Immigration from the Indian Sub-continent?
Labour are a truely appailing government - the smugness of Brown was on display today and the concieted Devil should know that he is public enemy number one. The Tax Payer continues to bear the burden of this unelected Lunitic. Now Brown has decided that it is not enough to squander money on Banks that have failed under his watch but to throw tax payer money at Icelands British depositors. The basic reason these depositiors got higher rates of interest was because they were higher risk - they lost the money so it is there tough luck. I only have debts - the government is not going to help me out so why these fools who have invested above £50,000 in Iceland. It is truelly repugnant. These people sold out on their country and thought they could get a better rate abroad - stuff them that's what I say!
"Cameron tries to 'be helpful' by not going at Brown hammer and tongs during a crisis. Brown waves him the finger."
Nil desperandum, Patrick. I'm sure Gordo will send him a f---ing thank you letter.
OH - How I find out more about the walk given your understandable concerns about being rumbled by the authorities?
Kev G
Very simple. I'm not doing anything illegal
Meet me at 12 noon, 5th November at Traflagar Square. Walk to the houses of parliament and walk back, followed by much beer.
Oh, and dressed as Guy Fawkes. Like me
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=20626137339
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2008/07/old-holborn-is-going-for-walk.html
DC must attack Jonah. Maybe today wasn't the right day but he can not sit back and let this odious lump of dogmeat get away with his chicanery.
@ Bob piper
"Yes... because we all know what a clever lot they are in the City."
Indeed. Almost as clever as those idiots in government who, when the joined up writing was on the wall many months ago, suddenly failed their literacy targets. Who instituted the present monetary control regime? Would that have been a NuLab Chancellor?
A very convenient amnesia for a NuLab 'Councillor'
October 08, 2008 1:04 PM
Came in late but recorded PMQ,s and looked at Guido's live blog
comments a quick read so could have mised more but 1. gay 1. homo 1. perv
but A bunch of stupid, ignorant, homophobic people, I think you protest to much. if you don't like plain speaking stay away from Guido's blog,it's just like turning your telly off when somethink comes on you don't like,but then as you have sat on this site for a few weeks saying the same thing could you be one of Drapers dummies.
Brown showed his total lack of class, with his rehearsed spiteful joke at the end of their restrained exchange. Cameron couldn't respond because he'd had his quota of questions.
Labour back-benchers roared at their leader's "wit", but Brown won't get away with a co-operative Cameron in future.
Is Brown actually trying to destroy the entente cordiale? Why does he bother to insult those who are actually helping him? Brown, as usual, is seeking his political capital even in moments of extreme national danger. He deserves every single piece of opprobrium heaped upon his head. He is lethally toxic.
and gordon Brown goes and introduces a better system of spanking!!
http://thecrownblogspot.blogspot.com/2008/10/joey-jones-of-sky-news-nails-gordon.html
Clegg on top? A position he is noy entirely unfamiliar with if his reminiscences are to be believed.
There is no mileage in the conservatives trying to score points. We don't want mayhem and we don't want tp be blamed for mayhem.
Brown tries to shift the blame every time he opens his mouth. 'Crisis comes from America' his his mantra - but in the long term it will not wash and the Tories need to get their ducks in a row. The sooner the markets are stable the sooner we can be more aggressive.
Osborne pointed out today on radio that this crisis comes from building an economy on debt.
The word the Tories should be using is "unsustainable".
Brown has pursued policies which were unsustainable and ignored all the warning signs.
Guido's site is tedious and unpleasant. I don't go there anymore for that reason but please don't pretend it's all good clean fun - much of it is motivated by bigotry and hatred (and an obsession with male homosexuality).
As to PMQs, sorry, Iain, but I think Brown won the day quite clearly. Cameron looked out of his depth.
So if Brown was so good today, will he call an early General Election so the electorate can pass its opinion on Gordon's Obvious brilliance?
I remember when the official opposition opposed stupid ideas by the governing party. Cameron could at least make a noise and a pretence that NuCon is different to NuLab.
To think, we used to talk of 'wets'.... what shall we call this lot...
"So if Brown was so good today, will he call an early General Election so the electorate can pass its opinion on Gordon's Obvious brilliance?"
Huh? So every time a PM performs well in parliament they should call a general election? What on earth are you talking about? Cameron was useless today - deal with it.
Haddock
Saturated Fats
Unsworth said...
"Is Brown actually trying to destroy the entente cordiale? Why does he bother to insult those who are actually helping him? Brown, as usual, is seeking his political capital even in moments of extreme national danger. He deserves every single piece of opprobrium heaped upon his head. He is lethally toxic"
Pah! Serves him right, hung by his own petard.
Let’s have less boohooing shall we. If Cameron had been on the front foot and given half a chance he’d have been at GB’s jugular. Bit late and risible trying to turn him into a nice guy.
And, he’s got no choice other than to offer help, because the country expect it, and to do otherwise would result in ‘opprobrium heaped on his head’
And maddeningly, Brown doesn’t even need his help.
The PM is making the weather, and the country is looking to him now. Cameron?
Who?
Lol how about this for irony...a Tory rates Clegg higher and over on my blog me; a lib dem is less than happy with clegg and gives cameron grudging praise....topsy-turvy world hey ;)
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In May 1993 he co-hosted Granada Television's This Morning, and in 1994 Scott set up a media training company called Media Counsellors.
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Anonymous said...
"Guido's site is tedious and unpleasant. I don't go there anymore for that reason but please don't pretend it's all good clean fun - much of it is motivated by bigotry and hatred (and an obsession with male homosexuality)"
Absolutely right.
You just have to hope that young people don't get access to that site, and if those saddoes who comment there would be so proud of their sickening remarks if their own children read them.
@martin day.
Call an election in the middle of the worst crisis experienced by any of us in our lifetime?
Wonderful suggestion.
You quite sure it won't be a bit of a distraction under the present circumstances? At all?
I love all this stuff about Dave shudda, cudda, wudda blah blah. There ofcourse needs to be some audit & soul searching behind closed doors. Whilst we can all whinge that GB's an idiot- which he is - to presuppose that this was exclusivly his indolence or icompetence that led to this is opportunistic and almost trivial.
This has been a systemic problem - sure, people need to be charged / sacked / shot. However, now is not the time - initially it's a step in the right direction.
It's the same as Badwin not killing Labour when Macquisten tabled the private members' bill to allow subs from unions to go to whichever party the fellas wanted.
If this crisis has taught you anything about Britain it is that serious politics rarely happens in public - and long may that be the case.
Will Hutton's an arse.
Dave needs to stop blaming the bankers and start thinking about whether government decisions to drown the US and UK in cheap money might, well, you know, just have contributed a tiny bit to the present crisis.
Oh, but, sorry, I forgot - Dave knows sod all about monetary policy. He's quite good on the short-termist lynch-mod populism though.
Prat.
Anonymous 7.21PM.
Good attempt, Draper, to shore up Gordo the bottler. Gordo is making the weather, chilly weather after foolishly letting the sunshine of credits too long, going around preaching Europe about his economic wizardry and the sunshine without realising that the sunshine will turn into rain soon. Cameron should distance himself from this cesspit of Gordo.
If a government is unable to discover the illegal immigrants presence in Gordo protection force and in the Home Office, what chance they have in discovering the bad practices of senior managers in the Bank? We will be back to square one soon. I can see a time in a year or two, Gordo will start blaming Cameron, Boris, me, my old neighbour and her dog for the mess which he created. Wait for his stealth taxes hit us all soon. We are paying for Gordo's mistakes.
Cameron should let Gordo to soak and sink in his cesspit. In 2010 we should send home Gordo, Lord Sleaze and Draper to their homes and tablets.
OK, Norman. Explain to us all how Cameron is making the weather on this. I can't see it myself. He just looks like a shallow PR man who's being found out. Crap at PMQs today, as well.
Norman - so this is all about 'Gordo's mistakes'? Have you not noticed that a few other countries are having some finance difficulties at the moment? Is he responsible for all of those, too? The Right is on the wrong side of this argument, I'm afraid.
There is no right or left when dealing with the money supply - politics can go tickle. Politics (well, post WW2) has been fun, trivial & relativel peaceful. Without the banks & is it 12% GDP in the BLOODY SECTOR alone? We'd be back to Iran levels without the oil. That way lies madness, madness I tell yee, madness.
The next 10 years have just got really blood boring though - someone's gotta clean up this vomit.
On the plus side loads of local governments have lost bags of cash - NAME & SHAME. Fiscal policy needs to be utterly slashed unless someone really has fellated Keynes. Be gone diversity officers, workforce managers, devlopment officers. Too many bloody lawyers too (except the one's in the SFO none existent trials!!) - add value or off you scoot.
Suck on that Harman.
norman. Do get a grip.
Any comment to any tory blog that doesn't go with the grain is attributed to Draper lately.
Are you all completely paranoid - or just panicked?
October 08, 2008 7:30 PM
Why are you still crying about Guido's blog on Iains blog go and cry over at Guido's and stop wasting server space, Draper's dummies.
Iain,
Is it just me or has the quality of the comments taken a nose dive?
Anonymous 7.54 and 7.56
You are really Draper after all! rebuttal work before Lord Sleaze himself takes over? You do not see do you. The mess is Gordo's and let him swim or sink in it.
Before you spew out another rebuttal, think about the following banks-HBOS,RBS, BandB, Northern Rock, .. and the inability of FSA to see what is in front of them.. Who was the Chancellor and who was pontificating about curing boom and bust? Germany and France do not have these many banks in trouble. Dig back what economists were saying 3 years ago about Gordo's light-touch policy and allowing runaway credit boom. All these happened even before the word 'sub-prime' was known. Even today Gordo is spinning that he in some way engineered the 0.5% cut in interest rate. The Fed in America was indicating interest cuts 4 days ago and so was the ECB. Just as he takes the credit which is not due to him, we attach the blame of credit boom and bust firmly onto him. He is finished. Even Lord Sleaze can't do anything. He did benefit from mortgage credit boom didn't he?
Draper, It is a waste of time to talk to you. The way for us is to ignore the lot of you and show what we think about Gordo through the ballot box.
I am not Right, but some one who saw what the novice Scottish Labour History researcher Brown was
doing even in 2000. People took to that snake oil salesman Blair. He is now laughing all the way to the Bible belt in America to packet his $200,000 lecture circuit fee a time. Some Winston Churchill this Bliar is!
I thought Brown's closing jibe demeaned him. He would do so much better if he did not betray his contempt for everyone outside his inner circle
"Is he responsible for all of those, too?"
Just because other countries are having problems does not excuse Brown. It does not make him innocent, it at best makes him just as guilty as every one else.
This cheap new labour rapid rebuttal propaganda fools nobody.
We are in fact more badly placed than anybody (except maybe Iceland which is not saying much) to weather this storm.
An end to boom and bust he said and now look at us.
He created a completely new regulatory structure - look what good that did us.
He promised us prudence and gave is the biggest deficits and govt and individual debt in the developed world.
What Brown is responsible for is more than enough without needing to bring in the rest of Europe.
Come off it. Lots of countries across Europe and beyond (Iceland anyone) are having problems. It's not a home-made problem. A more promising argument for you would be to show how Brown has made it worse. I don't believe that's the case but at least that's something we can have a proper debate about.
By the way, I still don't know what Cameron would do that's any different - so what's the point of electing him?
"Just because other countries are having problems does not excuse Brown."
True. But it does support the view that there is a global problem here.
I know Dolly Draper looks and sounds like David Brent but please could he start to tell better jokes than David Brent?
Why was there no leadership?
Why wasn't one body responsible for audit & VAT levels of inspection & regulation?
Why wasn't co-ercion applied in 2005?
Why is the SFO so shite, criminally shite?
Why weren't non-doms with families here nailed?
Why weren't alternatives planned and given contingency?
Why are Labour so disgusting?
To the Labour rebuttal crowd
Cameron does not have to say what the solution should be. He did not create the mess in the first place. Gordo has been clinging to his treasury mismanagement facts close to his chest. It was said that even Blair was not allowed to look into what Brown was upto and what his cabal was doing.
Cameron should simply disassociate from the mess and enjoy the look of Brown when he sinks into the cesspit. He can give his comments and answers when the recession hits every one in 2010 and Gordo looking yet again as if he has seen a ghost!
To the Labour rebuttal crowd
Cameron does not have to say what the solution should be. He did not create the mess in the first place. Gordo has been clinging to his treasury mismanagement facts close to his chest. It was said that even Blair was not allowed to look into what Brown was upto and what his cabal was doing.
Cameron should simply disassociate from the mess and enjoy the look of Brown when he sinks into the cesspit. He can give his comments and answers when the recession hits every one in 2010 and Gordo looking yet again as if he has seen a ghost!
TB,GB and the spin merchants conned the electorate into believing you can have both your cake and eat it. Those who fell for this utopian fallacy will have hopefully woken up to the economic reality of today's world. Lady T was spot on. You cannot spend more than you earn. The City and their Nu Labour acolytes bought into the fairy tale world of never ending borrowing. Brown basked in the reflected glory of an ever expanding bubble. Now the bubble has gone pop Brown accepts no responsibility for 11 years of Nu Labour, presenting himself as the saviour of the nation. What would Brown be doing if he was in opposition now? Does anyone think he would be bipartisan? I don't. He is mean spirited, self centred and quite incapable of saying " ok, hands up, I didn't get it right after all". His final remarks to DC at Q time today were just plain petty. Who needs enemies with friends like Gordy. We have to be patient. The Tories will get their chance to trash Brown in a short while.
George Osborn hit the nail on the head - Labour are blinded by bling, baffled by money. I'd shouted at the muppets for fun at the Mansion House - just for kicks.
Back to worrying about the SNP - hmm.. that's gonna be a dirty fight and they've won a lot of rounds so far.
Trumpeter Lanfried said...
"I thought (Brown's) CAMERON'S closing jibe demeaned him. He would do so much better if he did not betray his contempt for everyone outside his inner circle"
Easy peasy TL.
Brown has learned his lesson well from the leader of the Opp. every Wednesday.
No point whining about it now.
I think Cameron demeans himself consistantly.
Channel 4 Snow the Camden champagne socialist presenter asked some good questions to Darling, who looked and sounded like an ignorant student in an university admissions interview!
Some Scottish friends in the North of the Border, no SNPs, but yesterday Labourites, wonder whether Darling is allowed to do any independent thinking by Stalin Gordo. If Darling has any sense, he should walk away giving 'family reasons' making way to 'so what Balls' to fight it out with Lord Sleaze. Will Hutton the TB admirer was squirming uncomfortably when Snow asked about this billions poured into the empty coffers of the banks.
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Cameron was rubbish today, he looked pathetic and shrunken. In fact when he stood up I was amazed he was in long trousers.
Iain, yes I did see how you scored it obviously. That you're not man enough to concede that Brown won by a mile was the point.
Go take a look almost anywhere else and you'll see that I was right and your scores were, as I said, way off.
Being called a muppet by you is like being called ugly by a frog.
I apologise for scoring incorrectly. Perhaps I should let you do it next week so I get it right. Muppet.
Many have missed the point - Cameron and Osborne are not stupid. They're just giving mcCavity enough rope to hang himself with - assuming no one else gets there first!
Martin Day said...
"Labour have chosen to bury bad news today by announcing the loss of 3,000 government IT workers. They have used this bailout package to annnounce this news. What a cynical ploy."
They are not civil servants. They are employed by EDS, i.e. one of the 'consultants' that people on this site are always complaining about.
The GB quip was justified by both our backbenchers being entirely partisan and cameron ludicrously trying to make hay out of whether bonuses would be paid at all.
Cameron was asking for trouble today and got it stuffed back in his face with interest.
Guido's comment posters have descended into unfettered spleen-venting at its most acrid and truculent. In itself it does no harm, but, heuristic value less than zero. It is not even creative and inspiring like the kind you get over at The Kitchen.
Guido revealed himself to be a vaccuous puffball on Newsnight, and having not learned his lesson, continued to embarrass himself at the Tory Party Conference.
Guido is all fur coat and no knickers and apparently, a refuge of toilet wall graffiti artists.
"To the Labour rebuttal crowd
Cameron does not have to say what the solution should be."
You are right. But if he doesn't, what possible reason do people have to vote for him?
(By the way, what is it with all these references to the 'rebuttal crowd' and 'Draper'. I am a 'leftist' as you would have it. I read this blog because I'm interested in politics. Occasionally, I'm moved to post a comment. What's the big deal? I suspect there are plenty of others like me. The leftist blogosphere is pretty moribund, so inevitably many of us end up here or at Guido's. Doesn't mean we're anything to do with Draper or the Labour Party.)
"David Cameron was slaughtered at PMQs." -- The Times
"Brown won this encounter." -- The Spectator
"Mr Cameron blushed and looked badly stung." -- Daily Mail
"David Cameron delivered one of his worst performances in the Commons" -- The Telegraph
"At prime minister's question time today Gordon Brown wiped the floor with David Cameron" -- The Guardian
"Brown was in command of PMQs today" -- Conservative Home
Strangely, no mention of a Clegg win on points anywhere but here.
Now who's the muppet?
McBroon is a pathetic, hubristic, witless berk and the sorriest excuse for a man God ever wrapped skin around. Shame on the sycophants who wont stand up to Him.
I've been complaining about Brown for years as much as anyone. As much as Guido.
But today Brown and Darling made Cameron and Osborne look like amateurs.
The package is exactly right. Don't the far right of the party support nationalising things anyway?
Cameron should stay clear of economics, it is his weakest subject. Gordon will always wipe the floor with Dave's arse when talking figures.
Cameron was particularly bad this time though, it was NOT his finest hour.
How did Nick Clegg get 8? The morning after and I can't recall a single word of what he said.
How did Cameron get 6? All he did was feed Brown with questions that helped Brown to explain his bailout package.
How did Brown get 7? He didn't have to do anything because Mr Cameron kept feeding him with what to say.
All three deserve Nil Points.
Anonymous 12:20AM
Stayed long till wee hours of the morning to post the rebuttal! Some party professional crowd!
"You are right. But if he doesn't, what possible reason do people have to vote for him?"
Wait until 2010, we will have 6 good reasons then!
For a start, the 3 reasons:
1. Cameron is not bottler Brown.
2. Brown the creator of boom and bust. No use in blaming the whole solar system for our home made ills. As I said before, 3 years ago, even before one heard about'sub-prime' Brown the wizard did nothing about the credit boom he created when people were borrowing to the hilt.
We are going to be hammered with plethora of direct and indirect taxes, a repayment for the bottler's mistakes.
You want to know how Brown billions work? Read the Commons Committee which says today that GPs are earning more for working less. That was billions poured into GPs coffers by Brown and Reid.
3. The best reason of all is Lord Sleaz now. Surely you cannot beat that!
the last word..Anne in the times
"Cue Labour pandemonium. It was an easy cheap line about easy cheap lines but they loved it. “More, more, more,” they shouted, waving order papers. Old Labour men threw their heads back, mouths wide open and howling, eyes shut, bellies shaking like giant jellies. I do hope it isn’t shown on television before the watershed.
Gordon, now sitting down, looked almost shy. It’s been a long time since they loved him so. Across from him, Dave’s moon face was a picture – hurt, disbelief, anger all travelled through. The Great Clunking Fist had done its work. Dave was down. I almost expected someone to shout “Stretcher!”
...worst for the tories the US might be following GB way.
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