Anyway, on to her interview. The aim of it is quite simply to show Gordon Brown in a new, more human light. She certainly achieves her goal, even persuading him to talk about his
In January 2002, Gordon and Sarah lost their ten-day-old baby Jennifer, who had been born two months premature. Photographs of her parents, shipwrecked with grief, are hard to look at even now. He hates talking about it, but when I ask if he still considers himself to be a father of three he says, 'Oh, yes,' in the most decisive voice I have heard all day. Quickly, he adds that nothing can ever be the same again.
'You've had this young child and she's been taken away and she's irreplaceable. You can't explain why what was the happiest moment of your life one day turns out to be the most tragic.' Brown still can't say Jennifer's name without welling up with tears. For the first year after she died, he couldn't bear to listen to music. 'It seemed out of place with everything that had happened. First of all you have to keep going. Second, you hope maybe something good can come out of something so devastating.'
When John arrived in 2003, the Browns had the huge joy and relief of a healthy baby. Then, almost unbelievably, tragedy struck again in 2006 when Fraser was born with cystic fibrosis. Brown says: 'One of the worst things was going to the internet and Googling the disease. You get these terrible statistics. No known cure. Life expectancy very low. Symptoms are terrible, breathing is very difficult.'
At first, Gordon and Sarah simply refused to believe that their beautiful baby boy had a problem. 'You hope that the tests will reveal it was a mistake. Eventually, you have to admit that the original statement - that your son's got cystic fibrosis - is not just "likely", it's actually true.' When I ask if the couple felt that they had had more than their fair share of pain, Brown says something quietly impressive. 'What Sarah said was if it was going to happen to anybody we were best placed to deal with it because of what we knew after... you know, after Jennifer... we'd learned how to cope with... difficulties.'
Gordon has learned how to do the physiotherapy that a CF sufferer needs twice daily to clear their lungs although, inevitably with a very young child, it has mainly been Sarah's job. 'Fraser's doing really well. I think he's going to be a footballer,' grins Brown, who I reckon would happily trade his own centre-forward position for just one game on the pitch for his beloved Raith Rovers.
Brown made it clear in his conference speech that his children are 'people not props', a jibe at David Cameron. I'm afraid it's the Tory leader who has the surer instincts for the times. Whether politicians like it or not, the British have become more American. People are inspired by personal tales, especially ones about overcoming adversity. Listening to the PM talk so movingly about the children and what he and Sarah have been through, I can't help thinking that more of Gordon the Family Man and less of Gordon the Petrol Pump might send his own stock rising.
Pearson is right. People don't relate to Brown because the consider him remote and aloof. A bit more of this sort of thing and they might start to change their perceptions. But of course he made a rod for his own back by criticising David Cameron for using his children as props, so he is now open to criticism himself when he starts talking in this way about them, moving though it undoubtedly is.
The second section to tug at the heartstrings (and I mean that genuinely) concerned the Prime Minister's eyesight.
As the Prime Minister moves along the line of silver-haired Britons, shaking hands and asking if the traffic was bad, I also notice how he finds it impossible to meet people's eye, always looking over their shoulder. Is it shyness? Damian McBride, Brown's media man until the recent reshuffle, whispers: 'His sight isn't very good.' McBride tells me about one occasion when the PM was about to meet a line-up of war veterans and his aides noticed that former minister John Reid was in the same queue. Dr Reid had to be moved out of the way because Gordon 'would have confused him with a veteran'.
So is his remaining good eye giving him problems? A senior official, who sat next to the PM in many meetings after 9/11, believes that it is. He told me that all of Brown's memos are in huge print and triple spaced. 'If I want him to reply to an email, I always make sure it's in at least 36 point.' That's almost five times as large as the print size of this article.
Brown's own handwriting is also said to be getting larger. At a conference back in the spring, the Prime Minister took a wrong turn off the stage and failed to find the exit. The incident was reported as comedy, not something far sadder. Even allowing for the absentmindedness to which brainy chaps like Mr Brown are prone, there is mounting anecdotal evidence that the man at the eye of the financial storm may, with considerable courage, be battling a disability he prefers to keep private.
When I mention his sight to Brown, he makes light of it and avoids direct answers. I ask how much vision he has in the good eye and he chuckles: 'Enough. Enough!' But he admits that, because of the damage done by operations in adolescence, he has had to have a cataract removed. 'It does mean when you're speaking to an audience you automatically tend to correct [which direction to look in] so you've got to be careful. If you're reading something you have to look slightly to the side.'
'You can't understand Gordon if you don't understand his fear that he could go blind at any moment,' insists one old friend. Indeed, if Brown had a sudden fall, or someone bumped into him, his damaged retina could fail altogether and with it, what remains of his sight. Friends at university use to form protective rings round him in pubs to avoid just such an accident.
I don't imagine we will know the full truth until after Prime Minister Brown has left office, but it would explain a lot, wouldn't it? It would explain his desperate desire for Blair to give him his chance in Number 10 before it was too late. It would explain the frozen expression on his face. It would explain his difficulty connecting with the public - quite literally, he can't look us in the eye. And it would be good cause for all that rage and frustration. 'In public, Gordon puts on a heroic performance, but there is always a cost,' says the friend.
If it is true that he can hardly see, it would indeed explain a lot. It would explain the constant need to prove himself - to work harder and longer than anyone else. It would certainly explain some of the psychological flaws which are all too apparent. But it's clear it is something he doesn't feel comfortable talking, presumably as he believes people - i.e his political opponents - will see it as a weakness and try to exploit it. I suspect it would have the reverse effect.
The only politically significant passage in the interview was this revealing exchange...
When we finally manage to snatch some time in the study on the first floor, I ask if he has any regrets about his boast: 'No more boom and bust.'That is what Fraser Nelson would call a 'brownie'. A willing distortion of the truth. I have just done a bit of googling and there are countless occasions when he has used the phrase 'no return to boom and bust' without adding the word 'Tory', although he did use it in his conference speech this year. The implication of his remarks are that a Labour 'boom and bust' is somehow more OK than a Tory one.'I actually said, 'No more Tory boom and bust,' he replies.
Hmm. 'I don't remember you inserting the word 'Tory', Prime Minister?'
Brown laughs, as much in annoyance as amusement. 'Fifteen per cent interest rates under the Tories! We've got interest rates of five per cent, that's a bit different, isn't it?'
He harks back to 1992 and the fact that interest rates were at 15% for a very short time after Black Wednesday. That is undeniable. But did Black Wednesday cost the taxpayer tens of billions of pounds? Was there a run on the banks? Did the stock market drop by 20% in a week? No. This crisis is far, far worse than anything the Conservatives presided over, and it's about time Tory politicians stood up and said so.
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Iain - I agree absolutely. Irrespective of what he might be light as a private individual, as far as the GBP are concerned what matters is his handling of the economy, foreign policy etc.
Amnd that has been so dire as to be almost unbelievable
First of all I hope you never know what it is to lose a child, and secondly to have a child that has needs more than the others is a cross many of us bear. Ask David Cameron. To have all this and still go on is some accomplishment, and there is no denying it.
About the tory recession back in the ninties. There wasn't the same problem then as there is now, the banks didn't need such a big overdraft of tax payers money on such a global scale. Once money was put back into the system then the recession was avoided, theres no avoiding it now, its coming if we're not already in it.
I have to give you your dues for pointing out the good in opponents, not many would do it, not on a human level like you did. Thats commendable. Very commendable.
I'll never vote labour though, not on personalities like the Americans, although we're going that way. It's still about ideology for me, and getting rid of big government.
It's a pity people have to put the private on show. It was never the British way I wish it could stay that way, but maybe we're all Americans now.
Part of Hitler's drive probably came from being a monorchid (a deficiency which in other circumstances might prompt sympathy), but that drive resulted in him buggering up his own country as well as many others. Leaders should be judged on what they do, not on why they do it. Brown fails that test, though not yet as comprehensively as Adolph.
I have no doubt that Gordon Brown is in some way driven to succeed by his lack of good eyesight. I have no doubt that the loss of a child and then to have another with CF is horrendous but that does not explain everything.
The one thing that is rarely discussed is his apparent virulent hatred - almost visceral - of what he perceives to be those people born with privelleges. I fear it drives much of his thinking - emerging sometimes in odd ways such as the whole furore of Laura Spence being turned down by Oxford. His last response to David Cameron at PMQs was equally laden with unecessary partisan bile.
Why is he driven by this 'chip on the shoulder' about people he sees as privelleged? He himself was brought up in a relatively privelleged background. Certainly would have been far better off than most of his Father's parishioners and then went to a Grammar school and then on to do well at Edinburgh University. That by any standards is the life off a middle class well educated background.
Did he try for Oxford and fail to get in - does anyone know? What makes him so sensitive to feeling that others are somehow unfairly privelleged?
Hmm... I think the link between sight impairmet and briefing against Blair is err.. spurious.
Ofcourse, the guy has had to cope with one of the worst tragedies that anyone ever has and my heart goes out to him & his family.
As Tony Benn would say, it's about the 'issheews'.
Pearson made Late Review unwatchable and next to Tony Parsons - that's no mean achievement.
Dep Ed - excerpts in 2nd para & 'people don't relate to Brown because THEY consider...' 3rd para
He harks back to 1992 and the fact that interest rates were at 15% for a very short time after Black Wednesday. That is undeniable.
As is the fact that they were at 15% (with mortgage rates at 15.4%) between October 1989 and October 1990 - when John Major was Chancellor.
Is it not the case that what led to Black Wednesday which Labour now rants on about was a policy backed equally by the Liebour Party ? Or even heavily promoted by them PRIOR to the Tories being persuaded ?
Funny how they fail to mention this nowadays !
Alan Douglas
The man is a lunatic and should be sectioned!
Iain your last paragraph is key. I was jsut over at John Redwoods blog and made a similar comment.
The BBC is happy to play Alsitair Campbell's game of rewriting history. There needs to be more control, direction and above all determination over getting our message out.
If Conservative spokespeople can't do that then David Cameron should sack them and find people who can.
The frame work through which people will view the current crisis is setting at this very moment, and right now its the BBC/Labour party line that's becoming the received wisdom.
something not often thought about is that all males with CF are infertile, so Fraser will never make Gordon a grandfather (and people with CF live into their forties quite often to my personal knowledge) without intervention - and IVF is not available on the NHS for men with CF - why not?
The current problems have not "cost" me a bean Iain. There's a lot of paper and digits swishing around is all. Balance Sheet of UK much the same for all that. Things can only get better etc.
The banking system has seized up, so that no one can get any money, people's housing values are plummeting, food prices are rising as companies can't ship due to credit issues, people have lost their savings, pensions funds have been wiped out...BUT HEY, IT'S ALRIGHT, INTEREST RATES ARE ONLY 5%. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG.L
Anon 12.47
Nice try. We can recognise Labour rebuttal automaton!
Gordo smiles, jumps and says so many things about his'private' family as
Lord Sleaze is in his tent. Gordo wants to project his image as the bail out saviour for a set of problems, he engineered. Leave Gordo in his post- clinic illusion-soaked merriment for a time until the real economy comes and bites his backside.
If I were a public person under fire who had lost a child I would treat it as a private grief, never, ever to be mentioned in any interview. Some horrible, horribly cynical person might think that I am so emotionally-disturbed, so desperate, so closed-off, that I would use even that to try to shore up my position. I'm afraid there are such people, such emotionally-disturbed people I mean. Nobody doubts that there are such 'cynics'.
Chris Paul said...
The current problems have not "cost" me a bean Iain. There's a lot of paper and digits swishing around is all. Balance Sheet of UK much the same for all that. Things can only get better etc.
October 11, 2008 1:24 PM
If you think that, then you're a bigger fool than I already think you are!
'Pathetic' Cameron struggles to find the right balance
By Jean Eaglesham, Chief Political Correspondent -FT
go to Todays 'ft' for more. A link to far for Iain site or CON_Home.
MAPA
Iain said:=
"But did Black Wednesday cost the taxpayer tens of billions of pounds? Was there a run on the banks? Did the stock market drop by 20% in a week? No. This crisis is far, far worse than anything the Conservatives presided over, and it's about time Tory politicians stood up and said so."
Absolutely spot on. I am quite amazed how the conservatives in general and David Cameron in particular appear to be locked in a bunker? Are they residing in Brown's bunker now?
The only Tory politician who is showing any fight at the moment is Ken Clarke! None of the young dynamic shadow ministers are anywhere to be seen. Do they believe that doing or saying nowt will win them votes?
The people want leadership and they want the TRUTH.
I am amazed and quite disgusted with William Haig, who by joining the Barclays Bank Beano in Italy has shown that he may have all the intelligence in the world but absolutely no common sense! Frankl he should resign today.
Bring back Kenneth Clarke, Michael Howard, John Redwood and any tory that can and will fight this most incompetent and useless government.
CAMERON has proved he is a pretty boy that can talk the talk but cannot WALK the WALK!
Appalling tactical error by the Tories to side with Brown.
They should bear in mind that they had to "detoxify" the "Tory brand" ( to use their language!) vis a vis the electorate, not the Labour Party, to whom they should be as nasty as possible.
Clearly, Cameron and his boys have not a clue what they would do were they in power, so they should just give Brown a good kicking and criticise his every move.
What Brown should have said at the Labour Party Conference is : "I don't use my children as props, well not living ones, just dead ones."
The man is beyond shameless, a couple of weeks after saying that he gives an interview like that. Just when people were starting to think of him as half human
Chris Paul - you are Polly Toynbee and I don't want my worthless £5.
The old 'I'm alright Jack' argument. Patience, fair maiden - recession is coming to a town near you soon. Idiot.
Allison Pearson should get out a bit more.
She clearly can't spot an unelected, dysfunctional sub-prime minister with a tendency to self-harming who lives in absolute denial of reality, perhaps on another planet and possibly in a parallel universe who seems to still think that he has no responsibility for the mess we are all now firmly in and blames everyone but himself. He also sold the country's gold for next to nothing and stole a lot of my pension too.
There are limits...
Whenever you get the urge to be sympathetic to Brown - remember exactly what he was responsible for in his 10 years as Chancellor and the almighty mess he made of running the British Economy during that time and his regime that sowed the seeds of the present banking crisis by encouraging the high levels of personal debt as a way to finance his spending boom and that feeling will rapidly go away.
You may admire the person who actually runs into a burning building to try and rescue someone trapped but when you discover that that person was actually the arsonist who set it on fire in the first place your view of that person is slightly different I would suggest.
All that may be true but he is still a lousy PM its that simple having lots of grief in your life just means you are unlucky.
Iain,
You may have missed this one. Earlier this year, Pearson announced in her column that she was considering voting Tory.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1016488/Ive-voted-Tory-life-.html
I seem to remember that Brown invited Paul Dacre to his child's funeral. Correct me if I'm wrong. I think Mr Parris pointed that out some time ago in The Times which is where I remember it from. Nothing wrong with inviting a friend to support you at such a time of course, if that's why it happened.
Brown is a nasty incompetent bastard.
There are very few constants in life - be grateful that I have just told you of one.
Iain posted: "Pearson is right. People don't relate to Brown because the consider him remote and aloof."
Erm, no. People don't relate to him because his public face is entirely deceitful. Not forgetting of course that for anybody that knows the vaguest of the vaguest facts about economics, or even just simply how to not waste money he is the bloke that buggered Britains finances.
anon at ? "He harks back to 1992 and the fact that interest rates were at 15% for a very short time after Black Wednesday. That is undeniable.
As is the fact that they were at 15% (with mortgage rates at 15.4%) between October 1989 and October 1990 - when John Major was Chancellor.
"
Or to look at it another way interest rates SHOULD have been at 10% to 15% (or whatever) from 1999 to 2007 to stop the asset boom ans to stifle the money supply.
Either was he is being mendacious.
"But did Black Wednesday cost the taxpayer tens of billions of pounds? Was there a run on the banks? Did the stock market drop by 20% in a week? No. This crisis is far, far worse than anything the Conservatives presided over, and it's about time Tory politicians stood up and said so."
This crisis is also a world wide crisis while Black Wednesday was limited to the UK and entirely the fault of Tory economic policies
Bush: 'We'll Do Whatever It Takes' Sky -where have we heard that before?? MILLbank Revisted
Peter Mand's/Alistair Campbell's 5 word soundbites hit the US
following from
"Serious times for Serious people"
"No time for a Novice"
MAPA
the fun has just started
Fact. Interest rates peaked at a devastating 27% in the summer of 1975. It was under a Labour government!
Fact! interest rates did not peak at a devastating 27% under Labour peaked at a devastating 27% under Labour.
Of course Labour were trying to pick up the pieces after Anthony Barber and the useless Heath government.
What you should have also included in your piece Iain, was why the Mail is so anti-Tory now. Three pieces all knocking the Tories, Hauge, Tory donor divorce and link to undesirables, even a piece on opposition to John Nott's windgenerators was linked to Cameron's windmill.
Why does Dacre hate Cameron so much, would you like to guess?
previous post.
Should read 'inflation' peaked at 27%
Pearson has been sucking up to the Tories of late in her crap column in The Daily Mail.
But when Mr Dacre (Gordon's bestest friend) asks for a favour, you don't argue. Hence the puff piece on Brown
She's not alone on the Mail. Amanda Platell and Peter Oborne have also done good Gordon and bad Cameron for their well-paying boss.
Allison, I'm pretty sure you google yourself every day, so I'll save the price of a stamp and tell you:
Your article was nauseating. I realise you're not a proper journalist in the sense that you ever report or investigate anything, but even as a poor man's Jean Rook, you should have some pride in what you do.
The anonymous 'your interest rates were higher than ours' are missing the point. The differential between inflation and interest rates is more significant albeit less easy to explain. In that context the interest rates around 2000 were, I think, quite high.
And Black Wednesday came after ERM entry which was advocated by Labour and Conservative parties, so please let's not have selective memory on this. They both got it wrong!
Oh and yes Brown's personal circumstances are only relevant to the extent that they havew any bearing on his ability to (mis)manage economic policy, etc.
And another thing. If I had a child with severe difficulties I sure as hell wouldn't do a 16 hour a day job. Who would?
OMG. Hold the front page. For a change the PM’s had a reasonable write up. Though it’ll do him no good in that rag.
Back to the kids again is it?
Cameron has admitted that he uses his children to let the nation observe what a regular guy he is, hence webcameron and brekkers with the family etc.
He has purposefully invited the press in, and pushed his family out and into the limelight for a reason, ie to promote himself, and no amount of yelping will alter that fact.
Brown has 'discussed' his family in interviews etc if asked, and posed for official portraits.
We've been her before so stop wittering on about it.
Alison Pearson, as far as I know is one step behind Poisonous Platell, and as for that old hag Rook – you’re giving your age away bebopper, did you mean LeePotter? - the Mail equivalent there now is manky old Littlejohn surely?
Dave’s on Sky in the morning. Be up early with your fingers on 'record' in case Adam isn’t effusive enough.
"And another thing. If I had a child with severe difficulties I sure as hell wouldn't do a 16 hour a day job. Who would?"
CAMERON?
Liberal Democrat deputy mayor who tried to groom girl for sex:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Internet-trap-caught-deputy-mayor.4582455.jp
Chris Paul's response earlier simply sums up this entire charade of a party and government.
'I'm alright Jack!' It's a lot easier to spell Chris and gets the point over better.
But you think this is 'just another' scare do you? City boys playing silly buggers? You simply don't have a clue, not an inkling.
Your lover boy Brown has been and is in the process of destroying UK plc, taking us back to a living statndard that Albania would think below their feet.
You have no idea whatsoever.
daniel 4.15
'generally we are a much more tolerant society than we were 10 years ago -...'
Are we? Really? The 'liberals' of the left do one of two things. They either ban something they don't like or, when they can't do that becasue they 'believe' in free speech, they start calling people silly names like 'bigot', 'racist' and 'homophobe'.
I too, understand that Brown bats for the other side. No problems with that per se. But, if true, what does it tell you is just how deceitful the man is?
Why Is Mister Fixit
Pulling A Jack Nicolson
Beside The Fly* In The Eye Ointment Container
BECAUSE HE DID NOT FIND JOHN BROWNS' MISSING MAGIC FORMULA 1*
MONEYSPINNER
BOT HE DID FIND A COG
A LINK
AND
A
PLUG
Gordo with his sinister smile with Lord Sleaze and 'sexing up fame'
Campbell the lying thug should send voters to opposition camps ,particularly Tories. No one is buying Gordo's snake oil brand2.
Whatever Gordo touched has failed so far.
"This crisis is also a world wide crisis while Black Wednesday was limited to the UK and entirely the fault of Tory economic policies"
Labour in the guise of Kinnock Smith and Brown all pushed for ERM entry and of course rather than supporting their policy they took party political advantage of the crisis.
The incriminating fact is Brown brought in a light touch 'risk based' regulatory structure in 2005.
With typical spin it was dubbed Better Regulation Action Plan
http://62.164.176.164/press_5005.htm
Quote "We will look to apply on a wider basis the principle of risk based regulation to financial services legislation and the work of the FSA. The FSA, which we set up in 1997 as a world leading example of how to regulate financial services," .... really as you look at the ruin in the markets you could not make this up.
No wonder he was happy with the resulting bonuses (not least because half went in tax). As late as 2007 in is Mansion House speech he was praising it and was no where near asking for tighter global regulations in the manner of his current lying propaganda.
See 'Dizzy' and 'Grumpy Old Man'
Didn't take Mandelson long, did it? He was only appointed a week ago, and already this ghastly piece of spin has appeared.
It's also nice that Brown had time to give this interview. Did he decide that the economic crisis could wait? Is he fiddling while Rome burns?
Just to be picky: under the last Conservative Govt interest rates were (almost) 15% for about a year from Oct 1989 to Oct 1990.
See Bank of England website here: http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mfsd/iadb/Repo.asp?Travel=NIxIRx
It wasn't all black Wednesday.
Interest rates did not increase to 15% after Black Wednesday. The 15% increase was never implemented and indeed the increase to 10% was also cancelled after We were pulled out of the ERM. Indeed this was the start of a series of cuts that led to 1997 and the first rise after Black Wednesday implemented by McBroon on His first day in office, followed by rises almost every month thereafter by the Bank of England until we nearly went into recession in 1998/99. I'm sick to death of being fed this lie, and nobody calling it, as if I am not blessed with a memory. As for Pearson She must be taking over from Oddborne in writing puff pieces for this man. who is enemy of the working man, the English and the armed forces.(And A bloody liar!)
Draper's trolls are all over this comments section Iain, time to get a grip and start some moderating.
Dolly Draper's greasy hair.
A typical Tory.
Happy to embellish, defend and spout his own version of free speech, whilst trying to deny others that same right.
You heard him Iain.
Better jump to it.
I read this article in the Mail and can assure anyone who is interested I certainly didn't have tears in my eyes! What a load of rubbish - the children "aren't props" - except when he wants them to be, and the sad story of his first child's death certainly didn't need telling again - except as a bid for sympathy.
Plus, all this about Brown's sight didn't quite make sense. At the very beginning of the article there was a lot about little John Brown in his pyjamas waiting up so Daddy could fix his little toy car - wheel had come off it apparently. Then Daddy gets down on hands and knees to find the little wheel and did allegedly fix the toy. What a sweet little story.
However, little toy cars are just that - little, and they have very tiny wheels - if Daddy could see well enough in artificial light to fix a tiny little wheel, his sight can't be too bad, can it?
So all the rest of it, how he can't recognise who he's shaking hands with in a line-up, has to have size 36 print etc. - how can that also be true?
Either the first bit about the toy is all lies, or the last bit about the print is all lies - perhaps Downing Street could enlighten us!
"Some days, Brown has looked as miserable as one of those Russian bears chained to a post in a circus a proud creature tormented by people who want him to dance when he was made for a nobler purpose entirely."
Hh, forgive me, Alison Pearson, for labouring under the illusion that those of nobler purpose would be seen dead before disintegrating into a trembling heap of compulsive obsessive conduct.
How could I have failed to recognise the nobility of a British PM picking his nose and eating it and sticking bogies beneath his tie during PMQs and on national TV?
My maternal grandfather was blind in one eye and had split vision in the other as the legacy of injuries received during a WW2 bombing raid.
What granddad called his 'good eye', the only one with any vision, saw two images of everything, so that when he crossed the road, for example, he saw two edges to the pavement, one a few inches below the other, and had had to learn to instinctively know which was the real one.
His eyes looked a bit odd, one was cloudy blue and clearly blind, the other brown and scarred. Yet as young people do, he adapted brilliantly and continued to work in a senior professional job throughout his life. Granddad's job required reams of paperwork and figurework - manually, no PC's then - and he was never given larger script to read.
My grandfather's blindness in one eye and partial blindness in the other did not make him:
Develop the character & mannerisms of a compulsive/obsessive
Prone to giggle (like Cromwell) during crises
Pick his nose and eat it during key public meetings
Professionally inept
Paranoid
Fly into uncontrolled rages
Bully his staff
Socially withdrawn
Plead for sympathy
Whine he could become blind at any time
Racked by obsessive indecision
Prone to fragment before our eyes
Prone to cowardice and to bottle challenges
Unable to make eye contact
Develop the mannerisms of tourettes/autism
But then, the above are manifestations of psychological fragmentation and indequacy, not of disabilities like patial blindness.
Auntie flo, oooer - such an OTT vindictive diatribe.
Didn't you allege at one time to be a social worker or in some professional occupation working with the public, that usually generates respect?
Scary.
Unfortunately Cameron's decontamination classes have never worked on nasty old true blues, despite the fact he's been trying for years to disassociate himself from the likes of you.
No wonder the public like him, but not his party. Read it here folks.
Not too worry though, there's always a silver lining, and I love comments like yours, such a laugh to copy and print them off, and I always find opportunities to make use of them. Somewhere.
So many personal abusive remarks on this thread. I thought Iain moaned about that sort of thing? Obviously he must have only meant remarks against tories.
I have just gone through this thread and deleted several comments which I had missed when I was out yesterday. If there are others, feel free to point them out.
Anonymous (Canvas?) said...
"Auntie flo, such an OTT vindictive diatribe...nasty old true blues..."
The truth clearly hit home, anon. Batting for Brown now? Or is that merely a sympton of your desire for revenge against Cameron. He sacked you, didn't he?
No amount of ad hominem spin or attempts to project your man Brown's faults on to Cameron, me or anyone else will whitewash the pathetic reality of your man Brown.
"How could I have failed to recognise the nobility of a British PM picking his nose and eating it and sticking bogies beneath his tie during PMQs and on national TV?"
Because his psychological flaws are a documented part of history and on a youtube video for all to see.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew
@Auntie flo.
Throwing insults and unfounded allegations at the PM, and using genuine mental health conditions as insults does indicate that if there’s any inadequacy demonstrated here, it’s yours.
Your mind must be truly and bitterly fragmented in attempting to make comparisons with a (supposed) family member from many years ago, with the PM now, suggesting the two conditions are exactly the same is utterly silly, and to go to the trouble of fisking your list would give it prominence and credence that it doesn't deserve.
You are short on perspective, and bilious beyond belief, and if Iain thinks your list is acceptable, then I'm disappointed.
Though you're right about one section of the followng, anon:
"Develop the mannerisms of tourettes/autism
But then, the above are manifestations of psychological fragmentation and indequacy, not of disabilities like patial blindness."
That was clumsy and not what my hastily written posting meant to suggest. People with autism and tourettes are models of coping and courage to the rest of us and my post should not have associated them with pychological fragmentation or inadequacy. If anything, they are far more adequate than the rest of us for coping.
Thank you for pointing that out, anon, I apologise for that, but stand by the rest of my posting.
There's also this shameful youtube video of Brown shaking in fear during Cameron's questions at PMQs
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7ba7glghZ4w
This is what you expect of our PM, is it, anon?
Now watch this embarrasing youtube video of Brown and Ehud Amert's press conference:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NQMYDTMBmek
Watch Brown:
Compulsively touch papers
Compulsively stroke rostrum
Compulsively fold hands into defensive prayer position.
Compulsively bend thumbs into precisely the same, painful and anatomically impossible position each time.
Compulsively touch papers
Compulsively stroke rostrum
Compulsively pray.
Compulsively bend thumbs
Compulsively touch papers
Compulsively stroke rostrum
Compulsively pray.
Compulsively bend thumbs....
Compulsively on and on and on.
60 times a minute would you say, anon?
`aunty flo' - get a life.
Its beautiful and sunny outside and you are obsessing with your endless inane comments.
Auntie Flo.
You don't think you're demonstrating any of your personal compulsive behaviour here, do you?
Anonymous said...
"Auntie Flo.
You don't think you're demonstrating any of your personal compulsive behaviour here, do you?"
Spot on, anon, my postings here certainly do express my compulsive dislike for our inept, unelected PM, for nulab and re my deep concern at the huge damage they've inflicted on England and our precious civil liberties.
A compulsive dislike that's shared, as you will know, by many millions of others.
Anonymous said...
"`aunty flo' - get a life.
Its beautiful and sunny outside and you are obsessing with your endless inane comments."
What a pompous and naive comment. Have you not heard of:
Work, blog posts during breaks from work?
But then I don't suppose real productive work - outside the Mickey Mouse hours and long hols of your myopically elitist political bubble - are within your very limited range of experience,anon.
And there’s me thinking that when it comes to arrogance and pomposity wrinkly weasel takes some beating, just shows you huh?
I'm concerned for you, really I am.
All the hours you spend desperately scouring the internet, and posting it up here, when we've all been there, seen that, so what?
But while we're on about compulsions, including your sad ones, what about Cameron’s?
You sure there isn't a vid somewhere of him compulsively copying TB? The compulsively copied hand gestures, the compulsively copied and repeated words, phrases and messages.
You want to find that and post it here with your well qualified - what are your credentials exactly - analysis?
Anon (aka canvas)said:
"But while we're on about compulsions, including your sad ones, what about Cameron's? You sure there isn't a vid somewhere of him compulsively copying TB? The compulsively copied hand gestures, the compulsively copied and repeated words, phrases and messages."
Listen Canvas, I may be old (though admittedly just a few years older than you) and deaf, however, my deafness has meant developing lip reading skills and advanced ability to read non-verbal signalling that you will never develop because you can hear.
These skills make me an ace reader of mannerisms, gestures, facial expressions body language and the whole range of non-verbal communication.
What Brown communicates non-verbally too often totally contradicts what he says. He speaks of social justice and fairness while signalling theft, he speaks of community while signalling "Me,me,me", he speaks of peace while signalling war and he speaks of self confidence while signalling his own rabid fear of failure.
In contrast, David Cameron's non-verbal signalling and speech are a perfect unity of form and content, as perfectly aligned as it's possible to be.
Cameron's non-verbal signalling says that he is an honest man.
For goodness sake, look at Brown in this video. He's painful and embarrassing to watch.
The man's fumbling and bumbling, self consciously struggling to present the image he desperately wants and has so meticulously rehearsed, yet the form of his gestures is totally divorced from the content of his speech.
Brown's not waving, he's drowning and disintegrating, and looks as though he wants the ground to rise up and swallow him.
This disintegration has nothing whatsoever to do with his partial blindness. Brown had years of good vision until he was 16 in which to copy and learn normal social gestures. But he just didn't pick them up. Why? Because he's such a mass of psychological conflicts that even ordinary interaction seems to be beyond him?
He's clearly been tutored for a very long period of time in an attempt to make him appear as he wants to: like everyone else, like other politicians. Yet all this has achieved is to totally confuse the man and all its produced is embarrassing, abysmal performances like this. He's getting worse.
Confidence and well grounded conduct just isn't in him.
How much longer are we going to have to put up with this?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20081004/video/vuk-mandelson-return-caps-brown-reshuffl-49bfa63.html
Well my life skills of not being deaf, or as daft as you, or suffering from any physical or mental distress tell me that you're nothing but an old puffed up charlatan suffering from delusions of grandeur, posting second hand gobbledegook and completely unqualified to make any judgements of anyone.
I wouldn't trust you to judge Iain's dog’s wellbeing, let alone someone you’ve only seen on your telly.
You want to pass comment on someone’s/anyone’s mental health, or ‘pychological fragmentation or inadequacy’ (your exact words) go get yourself some training. When you’ve some respected letters after your name you’ll be justified to judge, until then I'll judge you to be a poisonous old faker.
Fortunately for you, you aren't able to see the non verbal signals I'm sending out in your direction, consisting of raising two fingers in an upwards direction and mouthing two words, and believe me, you don’t need to be deaf to interpret that.
Anon said:
"you're nothing but an old puffed up charlatan suffering from delusions of grandeur, posting second hand gobbledegook and completely unqualified to make any judgements of anyone...Fortunately for you, you aren't able to see the non verbal signals I'm sending out in your direction, consisting of raising two fingers in an upwards direction and mouthing two words, and believe me, you don’t need to be deaf to interpret that."
I've obviously hit a nerve there.
Temper, temper...
Jeez Aunti Flo (bod??) you didn't say anything rude. I loved Bod.
Thank you, Richard. I'm not bod, who is bod?
Anon said:
"I wouldn't trust you to judge Iain's dog’s wellbeing, let alone someone you’ve only seen on your telly."
Thank you for your reply, anon, but I don't watch telly because I'm so deaf. I watch videos on the PC as I can replay these to assist my lip reading and non-verbal signal reading.
Most severely or profoundly deaf people are experts in non-verbal signalling, it goes with the territory, it's our first language, you see.
You called me a true blue Tory - among many other things :) I'm not a true blue, whatever that is, nor am I a Tory in any sense of the word and never shall be one. I couldn't stand Mrs Thatcher. I was a life-long Liberal until I lost faith in the Lib Dems.
I now support David Cameron. I think he's brilliant.
See what I mean flo?
Way, way off the mark again.
Can't you get anything right?
Posted my comment utterly cold, and with some thought about the appropriate words to use as in:
puffed up old charlatan,
second hand gobbledegook,
delusions of grandeur,
completely unqualified,
poisonous old faker.
Just sooo you.
But don't let it prevent you sharing your valueless opinions with us on the latest thread about Campbell's depression.
I'm sure those who really understand these matters will be fascinated to read your own distinctive and unique interpretations.
Looking forward to it already.
"You can't understand Gordon if you don't understand his fear that he could go blind at any moment,' insists one old friend. Indeed, if Brown had a sudden fall, or someone bumped into him, his damaged retina could fail altogether and with it, what remains of his sight."
Link to a photo of Brown playing a very robust game of tennis.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_01/BrownTennisPA_600x1012.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468165/Ungainly-Brown-shows-tennis-serve.html&h=1012&w=600&sz=254&hl=en&start=1&um=1&usg=__beDfUoiNK5_Z3pjINJSBkwaaOVk=&tbnid=VG2LjP-YrZeM7M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgordon%2Bbrown%2Btennis%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
Anon said:
"don't let it prevent you sharing your valueless opinions with us on the latest thread about Campbell's depression."
Why thank you, anon. Very good of you to give me permission - but I'm as entitled to express my opinions as you are and will continue to do so as long as Iain allows me to.
Iain Dale said...
"I have just gone through this thread and deleted several comments which I had missed when I was out yesterday."
Well done Iain. Thank you. (Though, strictly speaking, I didn't ask you to delete; merely requested equality of moaning.)
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