Wednesday, September 20, 2006

Leading Unionist Defects to Conservatives

News from Slugger O'Toole of a defection to the Conservatives in Northern Ireland tomorrow. See HERE. James Leslie is a former Ulster Unionist MLA and according to Slugger he "was considered a highly talented junior minister with a solid local voter base". Northern Ireland Conservatives will be highly delighted.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

There goes Ulrika Jonsson's vote...

Bob Piper said...

Out of the frying pan into the frying pan. Sap!

the ghost of John Trenchard said...

about time. northern ireland is supposed to be part of "the united kingdom", and yet, the unionists dont join the "conservative & unionist party".

i really cant get my head around it - they (as in the unionists) are pro-union, but they'd rather british parties stayed out.

"having your cake and eating it" comes to mind.

Stephen Tolkinghorne said...

"Out of the frying pan into the frying pan. Sap!"

I think that's what we all thought when the former Wantage and Witney MPs jumped ship to join a party of sleazy, corrupt, treasonous liars.

Aren't you a member of that party too, Bob ? I'm sure you're in good company.

Rick said...

i really cant get my head around it - they (as in the unionists) are pro-union, but they'd rather british parties stayed out.

Maybe you are too young to remember Edward Heath.......maybe you don't know that the Unionists were once Liberals...........maybe you should read up on The Heath Years 1970-74 and find why the Unionists split with the Tories

Ross F said...

A lot of unionists have been very unhappy with Reg Empey's cosying up to David Ervine, I wouldn't be surprised if more jump over to the Conservatives.

Kloot said...

i really cant get my head around it - they (as in the unionists) are pro-union, but they'd rather british parties stayed out.
Is there not some sort of agreement between the major political parties on both Islands not to operate in NI due to the inevitable destablising effect it would have.

If the conservatives/labour operated in NI to the same extent as in the rest of the UK, then it would split the Unionist vote and therefore, in their eyes, threaten the union. The other side of that then would be that if Fianna Fail operated in NI it would most likely garner large support from the nationalist community therefore leaving a FF government in the Republic and FF influence in a government in the North and again this would worry Unionists.

Therefore I think most non NI parties will wait for a more stable political environment before operating to their full extent in NI

Kloot said...

i really cant get my head around it - they (as in the unionists) are pro-union, but they'd rather british parties stayed out.
Is there not some sort of agreement between the major political parties on both Islands not to operate in NI due to the inevitable destablising effect it would have.

If the conservatives/labour operated in NI to the same extent as in the rest of the UK, then it would split the Unionist vote and therefore, in their eyes, threaten the union. The other side of that then would be that if Fianna Fail operated in NI it would most likely garner large support from the nationalist community therefore leaving a FF government in the Republic and FF influence in a government in the North and again this would worry Unionists.

Therefore I think most non NI parties will wait for a more stable political environment before operating to their full extent in NI

pakman said...

the ghost of john trenchard

i really cant get my head around it - they (as in the unionists) are pro-union, but they'd rather british parties stayed out.

perhaps if our experience of Tory government (back channels to the IRA, the Anglo-Irish Agreement, Senator George Mitchell etc.)was actually of a pro-union administration then attitudes would be different. It will take a period of robustly pro-union Tory governmnet before the mind set shifts.

IMHO the sooner the better.

pakman said...

kloot

the Tories already operate in Northern Ireland. They almost won North Down in 1992.

kloot said...

the Tories already operate in Northern Ireland. They almost won North Down in 1992.

True, but are they as active as they could be or is it just that the level of tribalism means that for the forseable future both sides of the community will be voting for local parties whose main policies are protecting/destroying the union.

pakman said...

kloot

they are as active as their current support level allows.

Anonymous said...

Kloot
There WAs a deal amongst the English politcal Establishment to keep out of NI - but it is over.
Conservatives do organise in NI and have members in all 18 constituencies. Until recently however they had no support at leadership level. In fact past SoS tried to destory them.
They have stuck at it and now they have leaders, SoS and many others in support