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Friday, January 11, 2008
Peter Hain: Above the Law
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freedom to prosper
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Why doesn't he run the "South African Secret Service" set me up defence? Is it me or is the word verification getting longer than the posts?
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/vo050208/debtext/50208-38.htm 8 Feb 2005 : Column 1471 The Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. Peter Hain):... "I urge hon. Members on both sides of the House to endorse the Committee's report and accept its recommendation. Matters of this kind reflect on the integrity of the House and on each of us who are Members of it. They affect the way in which the public look at Parliament, encouraging cynicism about politics and politicians. They undermine all the good work that is being done to increase public engagement. It is important that we should be seen to respond to matters of this kind fairly but robustly."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030626/debtext/30626-16.htm 26 Jun 2003 : Column 1239 The Leader of the House of Commons (Peter Hain):... "It is of the greatest importance that the conduct of Members of the House meets, and is seen to meet, the high standards expected by the Wicks committee, and also by our constituents. Lapses, however rare, are very damaging to public confidence in the House and in our parliamentary democracy. If lapses occur, and are not seen to be tackled with sufficient rigour, the effect is many times worse. Our system for regulating standards of conduct must be transparent, fair and effective."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/vo050208/debtext/50208-38.htm 8 Feb 2005 : Column 1471 The Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. Peter Hain):... "I urge hon. Members on both sides of the House to endorse the Committee's report and accept its recommendation. Matters of this kind reflect on the integrity of the House and on each of us who are Members of it. They affect the way in which the public look at Parliament, encouraging cynicism about politics and politicians. They undermine all the good work that is being done to increase public engagement. It is important that we should be seen to respond to matters of this kind fairly but robustly."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030626/debtext/30626-16.htm 26 Jun 2003 : Column 1239 The Leader of the House of Commons (Peter Hain):... "It is of the greatest importance that the conduct of Members of the House meets, and is seen to meet, the high standards expected by the Wicks committee, and also by our constituents. Lapses, however rare, are very damaging to public confidence in the House and in our parliamentary democracy. If lapses occur, and are not seen to be tackled with sufficient rigour, the effect is many times worse. Our system for regulating standards of conduct must be transparent, fair and effective."
"In spite of all the ingrained immorality and flagrant law breaking by everyone in this government, our revered and hypocritical unelected leader proclaims: THERE IS NOTHING INTRINSICALLY WRONG WITH TIS LABOUR GOVERNMENT!!!
Sums it all up really does it not.
This government have got to be the most corrupt, inept and useless bunch ever seen. Labour can look forward, I hope, to total disintergration after the next general election. Not since Callaghan's government have I heard so many people disgusted with their government.
YET the Tories are doing nothing to clean politics are they?
The Tories shouldn't even raise a finger unless absolutely required on this. All they need to do is keep the positive media launches of their policies going, and let Labour drown in all this. The moment they call the police and do anything like that, then it has the potential to harm them more than Labour. If the Tories call the police and nothing happens, then it's a political party trying to get their opponents arrested, which isn't exactly good from a PR standpoint. Far better to let the boys in blue work it out for themselves...
It's always financial sleaze with these nulab feeloaders, most of whom have never had a proper job in their entire lives. Bring back the Tories so we can have some really juicy sexy sleaze. It's so much more fun...
Saturday's FT won't make good reading for Hain or Brown or Underwood, the paper reports that Brown like Hain hasn't yet handed over his 15% levy to the Party coffers. Surely, there cannot be irregularities in the former Enron Chancellor's campaign accounts?
The question is why are his spokespeople trying to elicit public sympathy, by saying he forgot, when this is clarly no defence under the law.
This has 3 aspects.
To the voters : he is trying to save his political reputation.
To the politicians : that we all make these kinds of mistakes so don't just pick on me.
To the prosecutors : I can gain public symapthy, but you can't. But what does this mean? It's a direct threat. I am an elected politician and I can change the law and that can have a negative impact on you - so leave me and the other politicians alone.
Politicians threaten the justice system and the justice system backs down. Who can blame the politicians for doing this, we would to get off a criminal charge. So I blamce the justice system for being staff by such a bunch of pussys.
Hain's statement was one of defiance – we shall not be moved! How unsurprising – remember how Stephen Byers had to be dynamited out of office only after scandal followed scandal.
Even Lefty journalists are turning on “Hain the Vain” – check out the Comrades’ apparatchik Kevin McGuire in one of their versions of Pravda [aka The Mirror]: “Peter Hain's inability to run a campaign demonstrates why he was unsuitable to be Labour's Deputy Leader and his embarrassment - if Hain the Vain's capabe of embarrassment - should be heightened by public ridicule that he spent 185k to finish a poor fifth out of sixth.” Link: http://maguire.mirror.co.uk/
"What could Mr. Hain possible hope to have gained by not having declared the donations?"
Well, Paddy, my morals may be as mobile and elastic as my knickers but I rather doubt it would do much for your lefty credentials to have it on the public record that you'd accepted campaign contributions from Isaac Kaye.
17 comments:
Why doesn't he run the "South African Secret Service" set me up defence?
Is it me or is the word verification getting longer than the posts?
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/vo050208/debtext/50208-38.htm
8 Feb 2005 : Column 1471
The Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. Peter Hain):... "I urge hon. Members on both sides of the House to endorse the Committee's report and accept its recommendation. Matters of this kind reflect on the integrity of the House and on each of us who are Members of it. They affect the way in which the public look at Parliament, encouraging cynicism about politics and politicians. They undermine all the good work that is being done to increase public engagement. It is important that we should be seen to respond to matters of this kind fairly but robustly."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030626/debtext/30626-16.htm
26 Jun 2003 : Column 1239
The Leader of the House of Commons (Peter Hain):... "It is of the greatest importance that the conduct of Members of the House meets, and is seen to meet, the high standards expected by the Wicks committee, and also by our constituents. Lapses, however rare, are very damaging to public confidence in the House and in our parliamentary democracy. If lapses occur, and are not seen to be tackled with sufficient rigour, the effect is many times worse. Our system for regulating standards of conduct must be transparent, fair and effective."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/vo050208/debtext/50208-38.htm
8 Feb 2005 : Column 1471
The Leader of the House of Commons (Mr. Peter Hain):... "I urge hon. Members on both sides of the House to endorse the Committee's report and accept its recommendation. Matters of this kind reflect on the integrity of the House and on each of us who are Members of it. They affect the way in which the public look at Parliament, encouraging cynicism about politics and politicians. They undermine all the good work that is being done to increase public engagement. It is important that we should be seen to respond to matters of this kind fairly but robustly."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030626/debtext/30626-16.htm
26 Jun 2003 : Column 1239
The Leader of the House of Commons (Peter Hain):... "It is of the greatest importance that the conduct of Members of the House meets, and is seen to meet, the high standards expected by the Wicks committee, and also by our constituents. Lapses, however rare, are very damaging to public confidence in the House and in our parliamentary democracy. If lapses occur, and are not seen to be tackled with sufficient rigour, the effect is many times worse. Our system for regulating standards of conduct must be transparent, fair and effective."
I received the following email from a friend:-
"In spite of all the ingrained immorality and flagrant law breaking by everyone in this government, our revered and hypocritical unelected leader proclaims: THERE IS NOTHING INTRINSICALLY WRONG WITH TIS LABOUR GOVERNMENT!!!
Sums it all up really does it not.
This government have got to be the most corrupt, inept and useless bunch ever seen. Labour can look forward, I hope, to total disintergration after the next general election. Not since Callaghan's government have I heard so many people disgusted with their government.
YET the Tories are doing nothing to clean politics are they?
Are they calling for Hain to be sacked?
Have they complained to the police?
It is all a club.
Strapworld,
The Tories shouldn't even raise a finger unless absolutely required on this. All they need to do is keep the positive media launches of their policies going, and let Labour drown in all this. The moment they call the police and do anything like that, then it has the potential to harm them more than Labour. If the Tories call the police and nothing happens, then it's a political party trying to get their opponents arrested, which isn't exactly good from a PR standpoint. Far better to let the boys in blue work it out for themselves...
Naughty but it is hardly a Hainous crime...
It's always financial sleaze with these nulab feeloaders, most of whom have never had a proper job in their entire lives. Bring back the Tories so we can have some really juicy sexy sleaze. It's so much more fun...
A mysterious image appeared at breakfast this morning...what could this mean?
Saturday's FT won't make good reading for Hain or Brown or Underwood, the paper reports that Brown like Hain hasn't yet handed over his 15% levy to the Party coffers. Surely, there cannot be irregularities in the former Enron Chancellor's campaign accounts?
The question is why are his spokespeople trying to elicit public sympathy, by saying he forgot, when this is clarly no defence under the law.
This has 3 aspects.
To the voters : he is trying to save his political reputation.
To the politicians : that we all make these kinds of mistakes so don't just pick on me.
To the prosecutors : I can gain public symapthy, but you can't. But what does this mean? It's a direct threat. I am an elected politician and I can change the law and that can have a negative impact on you - so leave me and the other politicians alone.
Politicians threaten the justice system and the justice system backs down. Who can blame the politicians for doing this, we would to get off a criminal charge. So I blamce the justice system for being staff by such a bunch of pussys.
Whence large sums of money are called into question (with dubious qualities) , i immidiately think of Tony Bliar. Not involved in any way is he?
Hain will clear it all up at 13h00 today...
Hain's statement was one of defiance – we shall not be moved! How unsurprising – remember how Stephen Byers had to be dynamited out of office only after scandal followed scandal.
Even Lefty journalists are turning on “Hain the Vain” – check out the Comrades’ apparatchik Kevin McGuire in one of their versions of Pravda [aka The Mirror]: “Peter Hain's inability to run a campaign demonstrates why he was unsuitable to be Labour's Deputy Leader and his embarrassment - if Hain the Vain's capabe of embarrassment - should be heightened by public ridicule that he spent 185k to finish a poor fifth out of sixth.” Link: http://maguire.mirror.co.uk/
To those who argue that this was not, as I believe it to have been, a genuine mistake could you please answer this question:
"What could Mr. Hain possible hope to have gained by not having declared the donations?"
Thank you...
What illegal campaign donations would those be? Don't go and do a Fawkes on us and abandon all standards Iain.
BTW Byers is a Blairite but something of a hero for taking the rail back out of private ownership.
"What could Mr. Hain possible hope to have gained by not having declared the donations?"
Well, Paddy, my morals may be as mobile and elastic as my knickers but I rather doubt it would do much for your lefty credentials to have it on the public record that you'd accepted campaign contributions from Isaac Kaye.
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