Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Nick Griffin: "We're Not Anti Gay, But Men Kissing is Creepy"

Later today my full interview with Nick Griffin will be posted on the Total Politics website. In the meantime, here's an extract which didn't make the final edit, but appeared yesterday on Pink News.co.uk.

Why is the BNP so anti gay?
We’re not drastically anti gay. We were, but it was just a reflection of white working class culture of the 70s and so on. Its unfamiliar, it’s odd and I’m afraid it is creepy. Grown men kissing in public is creepy to most people. You don’t often see it but if you do see it, it’s not a matter of homophobia, it’s odd and you have to explain it to little kids and so on – that’s strange. We’re not anti gay. I took over a party which had a total ban on homosexual members. We’ve got gay members now and people know who they are, but it’s don’t ask don’t tell.

Why should it affect anything?
Because it does affect because of the actions of the militant gay lobby.

Who are about as insignificant as the number of terrorist muslims...
All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims and as for gays, not all gays are militant and want to shove it down everyone’s throats...

...so to speak...
Indeed. And force sex education on young children, and of course isn’t just a gay thing, it’s a leftist break up of the family. It’s Marxist in origin, but it’s the rainbow alliance of Marxists and gay activists and so on. There is a hetrophobia amongst some of those people when they refer to us as ’breeders’ and so on.

Amongst about a quarter of a per cent.
I know its a very small number.

You are generalising...
...but you were asking where it came from and that’s where it came from. The simple fact is that the party that I took over had a policy of persecuting gays in the party, and was homophobic and also had a policy of re-imposing the 1968 ban on homosexuality. The position we have moved to which has taken some doing because there are people who didn’t like it, wouldn’t change the old reactionaries, the gays in denial. Different people fought it tooth and nail and accused me of all sorts of selling out and wondered: ‘is he a fag himself?’ We are now in a position where we simply say what people do in private amongst consenting adults is their affair and their affair only and that the state has no right to either have a window into men’s souls.

Would you reverse civil partnership legislation?
Yes, but that’s not to do with wanting to persecute homosexuals. Marriage is between a man and a woman and rearing their own children is not perfect but it’s the best model and basis for a society. So therefore, the civil partnership between a faithful stable and gay couple just as a civil partnership perhaps between two elderly sisters in terms of inheritance and so on, they have to be, regrettably be collateral damage, because you have to put the family above everything in order to say: this is what our society aspires to. Marriage is only between a man and a women and ideally with kids.

But a civil partnership isn’t a marriage.
I know it’s not but it’s part of the left’s war against marriage and the family. I find it hard to grasp people who are essential conservative with a small c who can’t get the point that most of what’s been done to our society been deliberately done by a hard core Marxist left who have infiltrated their ideas into all aspects of our society.

I accept that could be the case with some things but to normal people who just think stable relationships, whatever kind they are, are a good thing for society...
I agree it’s better if two gay men are in a stable relationship rather than cottaging all over the place.

So why can’t society recognise that?
Well perhaps you can recognise it in some way, but not by creating this bogus leftist alternative to marriage whose purpose is to help to break up the family. That’s the cause of the left.

It genuinely isn’t.
That’s where I believe it has come from and it has that effect.

If you believe that homosexuality was quote “curable” I would accept your argument but if you believe that people are either born gay or their not then why should that group of people - and we are talking about who knows what the per centage is, say somewhere between five and ten per cent of the population - why should those people be disadvantaged by society from actually being recognised in stable relationships.

Because the effects of that are to devalue marriage.

No, you’re wrong. If you have a choice between a child being brought up in a children’s home or between two people of the same sex in a stable loving relationship then I would argue I would rather that child was brought up in the latter. Because I think they are more likely to emerge as a normal member of society than in a children’s home.
Yes. But it is not necessary to do that because there’s a huge number of straight couples who want to adopt kids who can’t or allowed to. There is a shortage. So therefore, if we reach the stage where there are so many children in children’s homes that you run out of would-be adopted ideal families, then I would be inclined to agree. But we are not at that stage. It is regrettable that it is collateral damage of the family.

I am now going to ask you a question in which you are either not going to answer or hit me. I have seen videos on YouTube of Martin Webster, the former leader of the National Front, alleging that you and he had had some kind of affair which involved gay sex.

It is bullshit. It was an old trick.

I have to say, it looked fairly convincing.

Yeah, but it is balls.

So you are not going to give me a Michael Portillo moment?

No, indeed I am not. It was an old trick. It’s to say: ‘Oh, that person I had an affair with them. It embarrasses or used to embarrass more straight people.’ It was quite often done. When I and several other members of the National Front ousted him from his utterly dominant position, we did so, partly because it was creepy, when he would come and put his arm around you in the office and so on. And when you are 22 and straight, you don’t really like that. And you had no choice because he had all this power and so on. But that was a tiny fraction of it. Basically, he was a bully and not politically on message. He really was a racist bigot and so on, and a really crazed anti-semite. So we got shot of him for organisational reasons. But when we got shot of him we thought actually he was very old and we were very grown up. We were actually in our early 20s and he was about 35 at the peak of his powers and so on. He was ousted by a group of kids. We used to say the balls had just dropped. So he would never ever forgive those of us who ousted him from that position. So it is a good way to hit back. That’s where that came from.

You didn’t hit me.
No, it doesn’t bother me. I know what I am. I am perfectly comfortable.

Did that whole sort of thing colour your views on the subject of homosexuality in anyway?

Did it? I don’t know really. To say that people are condemned to hell because of the way that nature or god made them, that’s actually grotesque. That’s not right. But still I think the homosexuality thing is overplayed. I do think that, well, as a male, although obviously females can be wonderfully promiscuous and great fun. Nevertheless, wanton, rampant promiscuity is more of a male thing than a female thing. Therefore it is entirely logical that homosexuals tend to be more promiscuity but only because of the opportunities.

46 comments:

Houdini said...

I read your headline:

Nick Griffin: "We're Not Anti Gay, But Men Kissing is Creepy"

And then read the first paragraph or so:

Its unfamiliar, it’s odd and I’m afraid it is creepy. Grown men kissing in public is creepy to most people. You don’t often see it but if you do see it, it’s not a matter of homophobia, it’s odd and you have to explain it to little kids and so on – that’s strange.

Now that is a subtle but importantly different context to what your headline implies.

Well done on making yourself a bigot while interviewing a bigot. I didn't and won't be reading any more of the interview because I can't tell whether you are subtly changing the context or not.

Pity.

WV is GUESSI, which is very apt.

Simon Gardner said...

I can’t for the life of me understand why you think it’s worth bothering with this odious individual.

Ray said...

I think most people find any kind of heavy "snogging" on the street a little uncomfortable, whatever combination of beings are involved. That may just be my age, but I don't think so. I am all for equality, and have no problem with homosexuality in a general sense but I am troubled by the more than overt presence the gay community have. What is the comparison between the percentage of population of homosexuals in the country, compared with the population of gay men in a weeks TV viewing ?. Or in representation in Parliament. Why is it only gay men we seem to be surrounded by ?, apart from Clare Balding, where are all the gay women ?

Rob said...

I actually agree with a lot of things that Mr Griffin says.
Children should be brought up in a normal father and mother relationship. That is surely how nature intended it otherwise nature would have allowed man and man or woman and woman reproduction. We just seem to be hell bent on social engineering to promote everyones whim and fancy.
You also cannot have it both ways. You seem in the first part of the interview to be criticizing Mr Griffin for being anti gay and in the second part accusing him of being gay. Even if he was (which I very much doubt) you are being anti gay by suggesting that if he was thats a bad thing.
Do you believe and infact make a headline out of everything else the national front accuser says?
There are people who would suggest Gordon Brown is gay and I'm sure if you dig a little Charlie Whelan would suggest David Cameron is gay. Quite a large percentage of MP's are gay.
I'd rather have an article about the cure for the UK's more obvious problems.

Uncle Marvo said...

Some people are heterosexual. Get used to it.

Brishank said...

Iain,

I'm almost 50 years of age, I have served in the forces and worked most of my life in heavy industry. In all my time I have only ever known one openly gay person and he did have jokes made at his expense. But so did 'Fat' Fred or 'Pervy' Dave.

Perhaps gay men generally don't tend to gravitae to heavy industry, instead tending towards the arts or the media. It would then be perfectly normal for people working in those spheres to extrapolate the percentage of gays in those spheres as being representative of Britain as a whole. So I don't accept that as many as 10% of the population are gay.

I understand, and wholly believe that minorities, regardless of their interest, should have the same basic protections under law as the majority, but I do take exception when some minorities get special treatment just because they are very vocal.

If we as a society continually alter our laws, or introduce new ones, to cater for the minority then it follows that the majority will feel sidelined.

So, my point is this, Nick Griffen lives in the North where homosexuality is not as openly prevalent as in the south so his world view is coloured by his life experience regarding homosexuality. Conversely, the more liberal mindset of the south thinks that the whole of the UK must be similar to the bubble they live in.

To me, both sets are as stupid and as ignorant as the other. But one group is way more organised and has far more power to influence than the other.

You make your own mind up which set that is.

Brishank said...

Iain,

I'm almost 50 years of age, I have served in the forces and worked most of my life in heavy industry. In all my time I have only ever known one openly gay person and he did have jokes made at his expense. But so did 'Fat' Fred or 'Pervy' Dave.

Perhaps gay men generally don't tend to gravitae to heavy industry, instead tending towards the arts or the media. It would then be perfectly normal for people working in those spheres to extrapolate the percentage of gays in those spheres as being representative of Britain as a whole. So I don't accept that as many as 10% of the population are gay.

I understand, and wholly believe that minorities, regardless of their interest, should have the same basic protections under law as the majority, but I do take exception when some minorities get special treatment just because they are very vocal.

If we as a society continually alter our laws, or introduce new ones, to cater for the minority then it follows that the majority will feel sidelined.

So, my point is this, Nick Griffen lives in the North where homosexuality is not as openly prevalent as in the south so his world view is coloured by his life experience regarding homosexuality. Conversely, the more liberal mindset of the south thinks that the whole of the UK must be similar to the bubble they live in.

To me, both sets are as stupid and as ignorant as the other. But one group is way more organised and has far more power to influence than the other.

You make your own mind up which set that is.

Thatsnews said...

I can’t for the life of me understand why you think it’s worth bothering with this odious individual.

I can think of several. This was an important interview, Iain. Well done.

Hawkeye said...

Interesting interview. It paints more "depth" into how Griffin thinks. I'm always interested in getting into someone else's head. If you do not understand what motivates people then you have a much harder time defeating their arguments.

Over the past few years I spend a lot of time reading Labour blogs and I now have a much better understanding of how they approach problems and attempt to solve them. It also confirmed that the socialist way of thinking is an utter anathema to me and 180 degrees the wrong way round. But I was only able to come to that conclusion because I read their views.

The same is true of Griffin and his BNP. Without understanding their motivations you put yourself at a disadvantage. As the old proverb has it, "Know thine enemy".

In short, Mr Dale, you were right to interview him. Did interviewing him change your opinions of Griffin? I think we should be told!

;-)

The Purpleline said...

I agree with NG 100% which does make me feel a little strange. If he had a bit of polish to his PR and media strategy he would be quite dangerous, he seems to have some common sense.

Iain I must say you do flog the old Gay crusade a little bit. You and the Gay elites have won the battle, you are accepted for what you are not what you do in the bedroom, and quite frankly that is where Sex of any sort should remain.
Cane we loo forward to an interview with The Islamicist Choudary next, you might just offend the Muslim vote by asking hm the same questions on homosexuality.

O/T FA on full alert as West Ham look like they could be playing Millwall next season in the Championship. This could destroy our WC bid.

Alister said...

The problem with gays kissing can be explained simply by following the generations

1968 homosexual activities made legal

in 1968 someone who will or has children will be born in 1940's thus they're in their 70's now and still arround

A child (like me of) someone born in the 1940's will be 35-40 now and will have been raised by parents above.

Thus is will be my children who will proably be the first generation that have grown up with gays not only being legal but kissing in the street.

This is the same as inter-race, it took time, the problem is some people want society to move NOW. It doesn't work like that. All Nick Griffin is trying to articulate with "creepy" is that gays openning kissing in the street is that this is still relatively new to society at large.

Cynic said...

Oh dear.

I think this was interesting. One has to regard the fact that he's trying to promote an image here (all Party Leaders) do but he sounded different from what I expected. Half way to being more rational. But not I am afraid far enough towards rationality to make me think that I could ever vote BNP in a thousand years.

I would actually put him on a par with some fundamentalist politicians / religious leaders,. They believe what they believe - but a lot of it is barking

DespairingLiberal said...

I don't understand what you think you are achieving with this Iain. Perhaps you think you are exposing his nuttiness? In fact, you are providing an excellent platform for his party trick of coming over as the force of reason in the extreme right, the man who took the BNP from wanting to abolish gays to merely tolerating them. Well done!

Of course, the motive would never be to boost Total Politics circulation, would it?

You also missed an interesting one...

"Marriage is between a man and a woman and rearing their own children is not perfect but it’s the best model and basis for a society."

I wonder what he meant when he said "it's not perfect". Does he perhaps have something from his neo-Nazi past on his mind? Some kind of extreme communitarian facsist child-rearing system? Hmmm. Thinks.

atticvs said...

Perfectly reasonable comments by Griffin and certainly a true reflection on the attitudes of a vast majority of people...you can't legislate for people's gut reactions...you can imprison & fine them for them (B&B couple ?...they'll be hung out to dry by the bien pensants)...but you can't legislate people's thoughts away.

Wrinkled Weasel said...

I find a lot of things creepy; a lot of obviously poor people in pajamas or sports wear covered in stains, queuing up to purchase Lambert and Butler cigarettes in Asda.

A lot of MPs, particularly those who have turned up on Channel Four this week - I find them extremely creepy.

Some people who turn up on my blog are a bit creepy, but not as many as you would think.

I find it creepy when I end up with bins full of bottles and plastic and cardboard that I have to save and sort into bins. After all, this did not happen years ago and nobody thought it was necessary to wrap tomatoes in custom made plastic trays, and then encase them in cellophane, and then fly them all the way from Egypt.

I have to admit, I find snogging in public a bit creepy. I have seen grown men kiss each other on the cheek and I find that creepy. But to be honest, I find the whole social kissing thing a bit creepy - mwah mwah darling, etc.

I am not sure that any of this makes me anything other than an old snobt with fairly conservative tastes and a disinclination to touch people I don't know. I do hope I am not about to be legislated against for some, hitherto unknown "phobia".

Antisthenes said...

not all gays are militant and want to shove it down everyone’s throats...

What can you say to that?

It just struck me as a bit of engaging mouth before engaging brain. Surely he could have thought of a better way of putting it.

Hughes. said...

I see he's borrowed Ann Coulter's idiotic "All terrorists are Muslims" line. Clearly never heard of ETA, IRA, UDF, Tamil Tigers etc.

Jason Myers said...

As a gay I should be opposed to what Griffin is saying but I'm not.

I don't like being gay, lots of gays hate themselves for it. If you are gay and you want to flaunt it as your one and only trait then go ahead but lots of people think it's wrong & unnatural - myself included.

Being gay isn't a choice but acting on it is. Hopefully in years to come there will be some sort of vacine for people like us.

I think the law should try to stop homosexuality not promote it.

The Grim Reaper said...

Dear oh dear. There seems to be the usual criticism of Nick Griffin rising to the surface, alonside questions of Mr D's motives. Apparently, he might sell more copies of Total Politics magazine if he interviews this man. Probably true. But what's your point?

I happen to think you did a very good job on this one, Iain. Your interviewing tactic seems to work - if only the likes of Paxman would notice...

The Grim Reaper said...

Just out of curiousity, did Griffin say that two women kissing was creepy?

I'm willing to bet he didn't and that he probably quite likes that sight.

ruggy said...

What a strang interview. The guy gave honest answers to reasonable and sometimes probing questions.
You may not agree with what he says but at least you know what he thinks.
My guess is he reflected the views of a lot of people

DespairingLiberal said...

Personally I think legislation against Wrinkled Weasels would be an excellent idea.

Also, I have now realised what Griffin's hesitation about parents being "not the perfect" solution to bringing children into the world. Some kind of Aryanising master plan perhaps? Eugenic removal of people with certain tonalities?

Cogito Dexter said...

"I have seen grown men kiss each other on the cheek and I find that creepy."

Best not go to continental Europe then: you'll end up having a nervous breakdown.

It wasn't so long ago that in Italy (1950s/60s), two totally heterosexual male friends would think nothing of sitting on each other's knees in public. And the Continental practise of men kissing each other on the cheeks is still completely normal.

While not wishing for a moment to be 'ruled' by Europe politically, I think us Brits could well do with learning to stop being so utterly 'anal' about physical displays of affection and friendship. We're much much MUCH too reserved. Is it any wonder the Mediterranean countries have lower heart disease? Some say it's down to tomatoes in the diet. I think it's simply because they're generally more blasé about other people's behaviour.

A said...

Rob - I'm not sure nature does work in male/female parenting as you suggest. Children are more generally reared in family groupings rather than the Victorian nuclear family we are meant to see as traditional. Likewise in nature, same sex couples are often more successful at rearing offspring than mixed - look at the Black Swans in the USA, or giraffe in Africa as examples.

David Gregory said...

@Brishank

"So, my point is this, Nick Griffen lives in the North where homosexuality is not as openly prevalent as in the south "

Quite right. Honestly you walk around Manchester and you won't see a single gay man. All good solid straight lads. In nice tight t-shirts showing off their big upper arms and firm abs.

Oh yes.

doctorhuw said...

All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims?

Would somebody please tell the CIRA that, because I don't think they've quite grasped that they are either a) Muslims or b) not terrorists.

happyuk07 said...

My favorite gay song, courtesy of Frank Zappa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmr2TUPBIOw

"He's so gay
He's so gay
He's very very gay
He's so gay
He's so gay
And he likes to be that way
With his keys all on the right
He's into rubber every night
He's so gay
He's so gay
He's ALMOST EVERYONE TODAY

He's okay
He's okay
He's got a role he wants to play
He's okay
He's okay
He's just a cowboy for a day

Of course, his evening's not complete
Without some meat in the seat;
Let's skate away
Down Santa Monica today "

... and so on LOL

Bird said...

I don't recall the BNP spending much time on anti-gay activities; they're more exercised with feeble immigration policies.
If we had a tough immigration policy in this country, I suspect Griffin and his followers would be quite happy to vote for the party responsible for the policy.
Griffin's views on homosexuality are not politically correct, but I think they reflect the attitude of the ordinary Joe outside of North London and Westminster. And as long as Joe doesn't incite or indulge in violence, he's entitled to his view.

cassandra said...

Well done Iain, a brave and remarkable interview that actually brought us the real Nick Griffin, he opened up and gave genuine answers even though those answers could be used against him(as was the title).
Nick Griffin is not the nazi ogre the ultra left paint him as, he is a modernising influence on his party and he has brought that party a long long way has he not?
It is rare these days that a politician can be made to open up and give real human views so we can all the whether they are genuine or some fake fronted charlaton with a slick image.

I am gay and yet I find nothing to condemn in Nicks views, I might be somewhat critical of his stand over civil partnerships but that must be IMHO a natural evolution in society that goes hand in hand with a more mature gay community, because lets face it, the gay community is quite immature and arguably a sign of immaturity is a selfish and self centred pattern of behaviour.
The key is evolution not revolution, a steady growing maturity within the gay comunity that takes full account of the feelings and needs of the majority.

I see a good man trying his best to bring his party into the modern age, he should be acknowledged and respected for that hard work instead of villified. But then again the ultra left have always thrived on blind hatred,prejudice and vengeance, they would most probably prefer that the BNP did not evolve and mature into a reasonable political party.

To grow and mature as you journey through life is the key to a better soul, to bring others with you on that journey is the key to a better world?
We none of us are perfect, none of us have attained the moral perfection to deny others the right to evolve as human beings, we are all on the same journey and the sooner people accept that the better.

Thanks Iain.

Wrinkled Weasel said...

Dexter, Don't get the impression I am unfairly discriminating. I find most other people repulsive in one way or another.

And I don't live in Italy. Or buy Duckhams 20/50 in fancy bottles labeled "Olive Oil", nor do I buy buffalo Mozzarella with melamine and Polonium in it, and nor do I vote for an orange-skinned septuagenarian with a hair transplant and a liking for girls who are young enough to be his granddaughter. Let Italians be as Italians do, but don't try and suggest the British, and particularly me, do it.

It is not yet an offense to be a misanthrope. Let's leave it that way, shall we?

Rob said...

@ A
'Likewise in nature, same sex couples are often more successful at rearing offspring than mixed - look at the Black Swans in the USA, or giraffe in Africa as examples.'

All very well but I am neither a black swan nor giraffe, hence I stand by my comment of
'Children should be brought up in a normal father and mother relationship. That is surely how nature intended it otherwise nature would have allowed man and man or woman and woman reproduction. '

Incidentally how would you quantify the success of black swans or giraffes in rearing offsprings?

Brishank said...

@David Gregory

Yes, I take your point.

I was generalising. Of course any major city has a larger than average homosexual population than the country as a whole. Cities are generally more cosmopolitin.

It still does not detract from my point that homosexuality is far more prevalent in the media, arts, and service industries than in traditional industries such as petrochemical, chemical, mining, mechanical trades, pharmacutical etc.

Let me give you an example of 'life experience' colouring our perceptions. I live in an east coast town. My wife's family come from the midlands. The first time they visited us their 4 children (9 to 16 age range) were struck dumb when walking through the town centre and asked where all the "black people" were.

To them, seeing different races going about their daily lives was normal and they thought everywhere was like where they lived.

But go into the countryside or North Scotland or rural Wales and it's obvious to anyone that the proportion of coloured people to white is far lower than in inland towns and cities.

It's all about people's ignorance, that's the point I was trying to make.

James WB said...

DL - ze perfect solution is ze final solution, nicht war?

Ich denke das little Nicky severely got the better of poor little Iain, as per usual.

Quite what all this is supposed to prove is beyond me, other than giving valuable webtime to the BNP, which I'm sure they must be falling about laughing at winning so easily.

................................. said...

Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant, he's obviously fairly knowledgable about homosexuality and the way men are with other men.

Funny, that...

Laban said...

When in Rome ...

"Most couples never even hold hands when walking in public. For the most part, Chinese people never hug or kiss in public. The most public display seen when saying hello or goodbye is generally a handshake. It is not uncommon to see two females, or even two males walking down the street hand in hand. Most visitors to China cannot understand it and assume they are a couple. This is not the case, in China only truly close friends hold hands, but two friends of the opposite sex cannot hold hands. Please keep this in mind when traveling with your significant other, or boy/girlfriend."

Joe said...

It's a shame that Timothy Mcveigh didn't know that 'all terrorists are muslims'. One of the things which makes me proud to be British is that we allow the likes of Griffin to exercise his democratic rights (and that the vast majority treat him and his party as the wingnuts they most certainly are).

I can't help feeling that democracy would take a severe bashing if these loathsome people ever slithered their way into power.

Little Black Sambo said...

Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant ...

Why "of course"? Most of what he said seemed common sense to me.

Uncle Marvo said...

@LBS:

Repugnant (adj): Something someone doesn't fully agree with.

JMHO

Furby said...

@Rob
'Children should be brought up in a normal father and mother relationship. That is surely how nature intended it otherwise nature would have allowed man and man or woman and woman reproduction. '

Nature didn't intend anything, it doesn't have a mind. Trying to make the unconscious forces of evolution into morality doesn't work.

It's funny how many of the same people who take the mick out of lefty hippies/greens start talking about nature when gays turn up. (not saying that to you Rob).

Jason Myers said...

I think it's really childish to call anyone who doesn't like gay people gay themselves. Just because people don't agree with a certain lifestyle doesn't mean it's because deep down they want that lifestyle for themselves.

As for the question of women kissing? I watched a C4 doc on a young BNP member & he was disgusted by any same sex porn/releationships/talk so should think that's Griffin's views too.

As for terrorism. I don't know many Irish muslims

DaveA said...

@Jason

As a confirmed heterosexual I was very sad to read your post on not being comfortable as a gay man. That is how you are and to me is no different to being left handed or having blonde hair.

I really hope you and your other friends with society's tolerence and understanding can be as comfortable as anyone else.

mutleythedog said...

It still does not detract from my point that homosexuality is far more prevalent in the media, arts, and service industries than in traditional industries such as petrochemical, chemical, mining, mechanical trades, pharmacutical etc.

And there are no gay boxers or footballers other than dead ones or rugby players either.. do you actually think thats true?
I would not have interviewed Griffin myself and think it a mistake. He has a right to free speech but he can do that elsewhere, he seems perfectly vile to me.

Dave said...

Come, come, Simon Gardner, Mr. Dale's not THAT odious!

thelunaticarms said...

Well done Nick.

You can't beat common sense (no matter how hard the UAF try).

For all those still doubting The BNP's sincerity, just think of how you came to that conclusion.

Could it have been the constant programmes aimed at demonizing the Nationalist cause?

Never thought I say this, but well done Ian for having the courage to put this up.

BushBaby said...

I agree with NG on men kissing in public it is creepy thats my view and will never change whatever pressure is bought to bear by the gay lobby but what infuriates me is the gay centric policies of the establishment such as making heterosexual Scottish Fireman hand out leaflets at a gay-pride march if they did not they would be "sanctioned".
That did it for me I became totally against any gay pressure from that day on and increased my aversion to displays of gay loving in public and no doubt many would feel the same.
So much for democracy and freedom of choice.
If believing homosexual public displays is a good thing and you are ordered to do so sounds no different than the Nazi's compulsion for you to hate Jews.
Whatever you do in the privacy of your own home is your business again your sexuality is your right but not the totalitarian imposition of its righteousness of it on us the public. The picture today in the Sun of George Michael snogging his boyfriend is abhorrent to me and no one will ever change that belief I have especially if its forced on me by sanction.

Craig Ranapia said...

I think most people find any kind of heavy "snogging" on the street a little uncomfortable, whatever combination of beings are involved.

Ray: I actually agree with you, and my partner and I don't go tonsil-diving in public. But I have, on occasion, given him a peck on the cheek no more lascivious than than the one I used to greet my Gran with.

If Mr, Griffin finds that "creepy", I suggest he averts his delicate eyes and moves along.

it’s not a matter of homophobia, it’s odd and you have to explain it to little kids and so on – that’s strange.

I don't know about you, but I find it "strange" and "creepy" that Mr. Griffen is such a poor role model for children. I was raised not to stare at strangers and keep whatever vulgar and impertinent thoughts that flitted across my mind to myself.