tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7912670336033378914..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Nick Griffin: "We're Not Anti Gay, But Men Kissing is Creepy"Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15966381812915736842010-03-25T11:46:17.013+00:002010-03-25T11:46:17.013+00:00I think most people find any kind of heavy "s...<i>I think most people find any kind of heavy "snogging" on the street a little uncomfortable, whatever combination of beings are involved.</i><br /><br />Ray: I actually agree with you, and my partner and I don't go tonsil-diving in public. But I have, on occasion, given him a peck on the cheek no more lascivious than than the one I used to greet my Gran with. <br /><br />If Mr, Griffin finds that "creepy", I suggest he averts his delicate eyes and moves along.<br /><br /><i>it’s not a matter of homophobia, it’s odd and you have to explain it to little kids and so on – that’s strange.</i><br /><br />I don't know about you, but I find it "strange" and "creepy" that Mr. Griffen is such a poor role model for children. I was raised not to stare at strangers and keep whatever vulgar and impertinent thoughts that flitted across my mind to myself.Craig Ranapiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08923246310584658857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15347954829785537682010-03-25T09:04:50.597+00:002010-03-25T09:04:50.597+00:00I agree with NG on men kissing in public it is cre...I agree with NG on men kissing in public it is creepy thats my view and will never change whatever pressure is bought to bear by the gay lobby but what infuriates me is the gay centric policies of the establishment such as making heterosexual Scottish Fireman hand out leaflets at a gay-pride march if they did not they would be "sanctioned".<br />That did it for me I became totally against any gay pressure from that day on and increased my aversion to displays of gay loving in public and no doubt many would feel the same.<br /> So much for democracy and freedom of choice.<br />If believing homosexual public displays is a good thing and you are ordered to do so sounds no different than the Nazi's compulsion for you to hate Jews.<br />Whatever you do in the privacy of your own home is your business again your sexuality is your right but not the totalitarian imposition of its righteousness of it on us the public. The picture today in the Sun of George Michael snogging his boyfriend is abhorrent to me and no one will ever change that belief I have especially if its forced on me by sanction.BushBabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13730646343973186542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23088840565763074812010-03-25T08:28:26.807+00:002010-03-25T08:28:26.807+00:00Well done Nick.
You can't beat common sense (...Well done Nick.<br /><br />You can't beat common sense (no matter how hard the UAF try).<br /><br />For all those still doubting The BNP's sincerity, just think of how you came to that conclusion.<br /><br />Could it have been the constant programmes aimed at demonizing the Nationalist cause?<br /><br />Never thought I say this, but well done Ian for having the courage to put this up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66097707523086459772010-03-25T03:45:13.296+00:002010-03-25T03:45:13.296+00:00Come, come, Simon Gardner, Mr. Dale's not THAT...Come, come, Simon Gardner, Mr. Dale's not THAT odious!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08236072591842428328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16442882660130613912010-03-24T22:59:05.885+00:002010-03-24T22:59:05.885+00:00It still does not detract from my point that homos...<i>It still does not detract from my point that homosexuality is far more prevalent in the media, arts, and service industries than in traditional industries such as petrochemical, chemical, mining, mechanical trades, pharmacutical etc.</i><br /><br />And there are no gay boxers or footballers other than dead ones or rugby players either.. do you actually think thats true?<br /> I would not have interviewed Griffin myself and think it a mistake. He has a right to free speech but he can do that elsewhere, he seems perfectly vile to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53838004759521808012010-03-24T17:14:54.147+00:002010-03-24T17:14:54.147+00:00@Jason
As a confirmed heterosexual I was very sad...@Jason<br /><br />As a confirmed heterosexual I was very sad to read your post on not being comfortable as a gay man. That is how you are and to me is no different to being left handed or having blonde hair. <br /><br />I really hope you and your other friends with society's tolerence and understanding can be as comfortable as anyone else.DaveAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249090980650806030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17398812874621656112010-03-24T16:04:11.582+00:002010-03-24T16:04:11.582+00:00I think it's really childish to call anyone wh...I think it's really childish to call anyone who doesn't like gay people gay themselves. Just because people don't agree with a certain lifestyle doesn't mean it's because deep down they want that lifestyle for themselves. <br /><br />As for the question of women kissing? I watched a C4 doc on a young BNP member & he was disgusted by any same sex porn/releationships/talk so should think that's Griffin's views too. <br /><br />As for terrorism. I don't know many Irish muslimsJason Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08709073956488558782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71438482003094891812010-03-24T15:55:55.801+00:002010-03-24T15:55:55.801+00:00@Rob
'Children should be brought up in a norma...@Rob<br />'Children should be brought up in a normal father and mother relationship. That is surely how nature intended it otherwise nature would have allowed man and man or woman and woman reproduction. '<br /><br />Nature didn't intend anything, it doesn't have a mind. Trying to make the unconscious forces of evolution into morality doesn't work.<br /><br />It's funny how many of the same people who take the mick out of lefty hippies/greens start talking about nature when gays turn up. (not saying that to you Rob).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20512530892340803712010-03-24T15:21:44.165+00:002010-03-24T15:21:44.165+00:00@LBS:
Repugnant (adj): Something someone doesn...@LBS:<br /><br />Repugnant (adj): Something someone doesn't fully agree with.<br /><br />JMHOUncle Marvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00146362608723100601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41016670522972672382010-03-24T14:40:25.563+00:002010-03-24T14:40:25.563+00:00Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant ...
Wh...<i>Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant ...</i><br /><br />Why "of course"? Most of what he said seemed common sense to me.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83032876263799742942010-03-24T14:34:12.272+00:002010-03-24T14:34:12.272+00:00It's a shame that Timothy Mcveigh didn't k...It's a shame that Timothy Mcveigh didn't know that 'all terrorists are muslims'. One of the things which makes me proud to be British is that we allow the likes of Griffin to exercise his democratic rights (and that the vast majority treat him and his party as the wingnuts they most certainly are). <br /><br />I can't help feeling that democracy would take a severe bashing if these loathsome people ever slithered their way into power.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00716916481489978222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61255194591407610672010-03-24T14:05:06.795+00:002010-03-24T14:05:06.795+00:00When in Rome ...
"Most couples never even ho...<a href="http://www.chinaodysseytours.com/travel-guide-book/proper-protocol-etiquette.html" rel="nofollow">When in Rome ...</a><br /><br /><i>"Most couples never even hold hands when walking in public. For the most part, Chinese people never hug or kiss in public. The most public display seen when saying hello or goodbye is generally a handshake. <b>It is not uncommon to see two females, or even two males walking down the street hand in hand. Most visitors to China cannot understand it and assume they are a couple. This is not the case, in China only truly close friends hold hands, but two friends of the opposite sex cannot hold hands.</b> Please keep this in mind when traveling with your significant other, or boy/girlfriend."</i>Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40971673492940222282010-03-24T13:54:00.577+00:002010-03-24T13:54:00.577+00:00Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant, he'...Whilst his views are, of course, repugnant, he's obviously fairly knowledgable about homosexuality and the way men are with other men.<br /><br /><i>Funny, that...</i>.................................https://www.blogger.com/profile/09387648864595329094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90440040319020595732010-03-24T13:37:39.547+00:002010-03-24T13:37:39.547+00:00DL - ze perfect solution is ze final solution, nic...DL - ze perfect solution is ze final solution, nicht war?<br /><br />Ich denke das little Nicky severely got the better of poor little Iain, as per usual.<br /><br />Quite what all this is supposed to prove is beyond me, other than giving valuable webtime to the BNP, which I'm sure they must be falling about laughing at winning so easily.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15265944114781795633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66039752865947046882010-03-24T13:28:38.488+00:002010-03-24T13:28:38.488+00:00@David Gregory
Yes, I take your point.
I was gen...@David Gregory<br /><br />Yes, I take your point.<br /><br />I was generalising. Of course any major city has a larger than average homosexual population than the country as a whole. Cities are generally more cosmopolitin.<br /><br />It still does not detract from my point that homosexuality is far more prevalent in the media, arts, and service industries than in traditional industries such as petrochemical, chemical, mining, mechanical trades, pharmacutical etc.<br /><br />Let me give you an example of 'life experience' colouring our perceptions. I live in an east coast town. My wife's family come from the midlands. The first time they visited us their 4 children (9 to 16 age range) were struck dumb when walking through the town centre and asked where all the "black people" were.<br /><br />To them, seeing different races going about their daily lives was normal and they thought everywhere was like where they lived.<br /><br />But go into the countryside or North Scotland or rural Wales and it's obvious to anyone that the proportion of coloured people to white is far lower than in inland towns and cities.<br /><br />It's all about people's ignorance, that's the point I was trying to make.Brishankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02029818082633977965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47161953844279414692010-03-24T13:21:08.432+00:002010-03-24T13:21:08.432+00:00Dexter, Don't get the impression I am unfairly...Dexter, Don't get the impression I am unfairly discriminating. I find most other people repulsive in one way or another.<br /><br />And I don't live in Italy. Or buy Duckhams 20/50 in fancy bottles labeled "Olive Oil", nor do I buy buffalo Mozzarella with melamine and Polonium in it, and nor do I vote for an orange-skinned septuagenarian with a hair transplant and a liking for girls who are young enough to be his granddaughter. Let Italians be as Italians do, but don't try and suggest the British, and particularly me, do it.<br /><br />It is not yet an offense to be a misanthrope. Let's leave it that way, shall we?Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53513287252028668682010-03-24T13:21:08.433+00:002010-03-24T13:21:08.433+00:00@ A
'Likewise in nature, same sex couples are...@ A<br /> 'Likewise in nature, same sex couples are often more successful at rearing offspring than mixed - look at the Black Swans in the USA, or giraffe in Africa as examples.'<br /><br />All very well but I am neither a black swan nor giraffe, hence I stand by my comment of<br /> 'Children should be brought up in a normal father and mother relationship. That is surely how nature intended it otherwise nature would have allowed man and man or woman and woman reproduction. '<br /><br />Incidentally how would you quantify the success of black swans or giraffes in rearing offsprings?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07409461682738145026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62878540732163098222010-03-24T13:18:34.313+00:002010-03-24T13:18:34.313+00:00Well done Iain, a brave and remarkable interview t...Well done Iain, a brave and remarkable interview that actually brought us the real Nick Griffin, he opened up and gave genuine answers even though those answers could be used against him(as was the title).<br />Nick Griffin is not the nazi ogre the ultra left paint him as, he is a modernising influence on his party and he has brought that party a long long way has he not?<br />It is rare these days that a politician can be made to open up and give real human views so we can all the whether they are genuine or some fake fronted charlaton with a slick image.<br /><br />I am gay and yet I find nothing to condemn in Nicks views, I might be somewhat critical of his stand over civil partnerships but that must be IMHO a natural evolution in society that goes hand in hand with a more mature gay community, because lets face it, the gay community is quite immature and arguably a sign of immaturity is a selfish and self centred pattern of behaviour.<br />The key is evolution not revolution, a steady growing maturity within the gay comunity that takes full account of the feelings and needs of the majority.<br /><br />I see a good man trying his best to bring his party into the modern age, he should be acknowledged and respected for that hard work instead of villified. But then again the ultra left have always thrived on blind hatred,prejudice and vengeance, they would most probably prefer that the BNP did not evolve and mature into a reasonable political party.<br /><br />To grow and mature as you journey through life is the key to a better soul, to bring others with you on that journey is the key to a better world?<br />We none of us are perfect, none of us have attained the moral perfection to deny others the right to evolve as human beings, we are all on the same journey and the sooner people accept that the better.<br /><br />Thanks Iain.cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088596240127998878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75891367138609709842010-03-24T12:56:03.588+00:002010-03-24T12:56:03.588+00:00I don't recall the BNP spending much time on a...I don't recall the BNP spending much time on anti-gay activities; they're more exercised with feeble immigration policies.<br />If we had a tough immigration policy in this country, I suspect Griffin and his followers would be quite happy to vote for the party responsible for the policy.<br />Griffin's views on homosexuality are not politically correct, but I think they reflect the attitude of the ordinary Joe outside of North London and Westminster. And as long as Joe doesn't incite or indulge in violence, he's entitled to his view.Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161658443183028628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14200039295915153842010-03-24T12:28:40.914+00:002010-03-24T12:28:40.914+00:00My favorite gay song, courtesy of Frank Zappa:
ht...My favorite gay song, courtesy of Frank Zappa:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmr2TUPBIOw<br /><br />"He's so gay<br />He's so gay<br />He's very very gay<br />He's so gay<br />He's so gay<br />And he likes to be that way<br />With his keys all on the right<br />He's into rubber every night<br />He's so gay<br />He's so gay<br />He's ALMOST EVERYONE TODAY<br /><br />He's okay<br />He's okay<br />He's got a role he wants to play<br />He's okay<br />He's okay<br />He's just a cowboy for a day<br /><br />Of course, his evening's not complete<br />Without some meat in the seat;<br />Let's skate away<br />Down Santa Monica today "<br /><br />... and so on LOLhappyukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459558077829920642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60068784673881192522010-03-24T12:22:54.693+00:002010-03-24T12:22:54.693+00:00All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists...All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims?<br /><br />Would somebody please tell the CIRA that, because I don't think they've quite grasped that they are either a) Muslims or b) not terrorists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43344417391542563552010-03-24T12:20:38.589+00:002010-03-24T12:20:38.589+00:00@Brishank
"So, my point is this, Nick Griffe...@Brishank<br /><br />"So, my point is this, Nick Griffen lives in the North where homosexuality is not as openly prevalent as in the south "<br /><br />Quite right. Honestly you walk around Manchester and you won't see a single gay man. All good solid straight lads. In nice tight t-shirts showing off their big upper arms and firm abs.<br /><br />Oh yes.David Gregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03870582488251705926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69721322141963457672010-03-24T12:10:37.768+00:002010-03-24T12:10:37.768+00:00Rob - I'm not sure nature does work in male/fe...Rob - I'm not sure nature does work in male/female parenting as you suggest. Children are more generally reared in family groupings rather than the Victorian nuclear family we are meant to see as traditional. Likewise in nature, same sex couples are often more successful at rearing offspring than mixed - look at the Black Swans in the USA, or giraffe in Africa as examples.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00402467386689933700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78266928194549196482010-03-24T11:26:52.589+00:002010-03-24T11:26:52.589+00:00"I have seen grown men kiss each other on the..."I have seen grown men kiss each other on the cheek and I find that creepy."<br /><br />Best not go to continental Europe then: you'll end up having a nervous breakdown.<br /><br />It wasn't so long ago that in Italy (1950s/60s), two totally heterosexual male friends would think nothing of sitting on each other's knees in public. And the Continental practise of men kissing each other on the cheeks is still completely normal.<br /><br />While not wishing for a moment to be 'ruled' by Europe politically, I think us Brits could well do with learning to stop being so utterly 'anal' about physical displays of affection and friendship. We're much much MUCH too reserved. Is it any wonder the Mediterranean countries have lower heart disease? Some say it's down to tomatoes in the diet. I think it's simply because they're generally more blasé about other people's behaviour.Cogito Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474929728659342255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90730167442463525632010-03-24T11:25:15.380+00:002010-03-24T11:25:15.380+00:00Personally I think legislation against Wrinkled We...Personally I think legislation against Wrinkled Weasels would be an excellent idea.<br /><br />Also, I have now realised what Griffin's hesitation about parents being "not the perfect" solution to bringing children into the world. Some kind of Aryanising master plan perhaps? Eugenic removal of people with certain tonalities?DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.com