"I want to create 200,000 British jobs for British citizens..."Has he been listening to Margaret Hodge? If he restricted these new jobs to Brititish citizens he'd be breaking various laws. Loose language, or intentional? You decide.
Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Gordon Brown: No Foreigners Need Apply
I am sure I just heard Gordon Brown say this in his speech to the GMB Conference...
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“In Dr. Johnson’s famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, I beg to submit that it is the first.”—Ambrose Bierce, The Devil’s Dictionary, at entry for patriotism,
Brown clearly intends to sell us down the river, and push the EU Constitution through Parliament with a 3 line whip.
These words is his smokescreen. Don't believe a word of it. He obviously doesn't.
maybe if he stopped the unrestricted immigration he wouldnt need to!
Utterly moronic, vacuous, posturing crap as usual from this economic fool. This from the bloke who once threatened to withdraw benefits from single mothers once their kids reached 11 years old.
1 million on the dole
5 million on tax credit top-ups
cheap migrant labour holding down wages so the poor stay poor widening the wealth gap
massive payments to the EU in return for bugger all
what an utter pillock that bloke is.
(Outside the public sector), when did a politician last create a real job - one that woul exit without public subsidy?
what a waste of space this government is. Britain Day, Olympics, houses and jobs for British people.........its like a poor banana republic gone bad.
the socialists are doing a grand job in destroying this country.
Doesn't he need to create 5.3 million jobs before the British people are fully employed?
Intentional, of course.
Playing on the basic racist instincts of much of the working class. I notice it's not Surrey or Cheshire where the BNP are getting councillors elected.
These are the people Labour have always considered their 'core support', so it's no surprise that Brown is playing the race card and appealing to their basest instincts.
Can it really be? Gordo limbering up to tell the rest of the EU to go jump? If only.
Iain Dale - the man that put 'tit' into British...
Of course he meant British Citizens. You forget that because of 'the economic benefits of migration' he plans to give British Citizenship to everybody and anybody.
Now doubt this will still include suspected terrorists... oh and then he'll need to toughen up the anti-terror laws (arrest without trial etc) to deal with all the problems he's caused.
mark williams [2.39 PM] I suspect the answer to your question is, Never. But for socialists expanding the government payroll counts as "creating jobs."
Try putting an advert in your local paper for (e.g.) catering staff, headed "For British citizens only" and see how far you get.
I want to spend golden afternoons of languorous sin with the sorceress Jessica Alba perhaps eating Turkish delight steeped in absinthe from the indent of her perfumed abdomen. I probably have more chance of making this mirage real than Brown has of enchanting real jobs into existence……
The use of the word British is interesting isn’t it .I heard Ruth Kelly being interviewed about their silly “ British day “ idea . I have heard countless similar chats with out any BBC interviewer asking if they are worried that Scotland will cede and they `ll be out of a job. Good old BBC the British State funded impartial observer of the state of Britain’s fragmentation.
No doubt Brown is using what you might call “National Socialism” in his fiendish brew and in the context of Labours problems with the BNP and the Union it will not be an accident .
The sooner the economic wheels come flying off Gordo's debt fuelled myth the better.
House prices are falling outside London, the country has massive hidden PFI debts, the country owes billions at a personal level, every policy is designed to grasp more tax to try and prop up the finances, 7bn hoodwinked for NuLab regeneration scams via the Olympics.....its just goes on and on.....
what an utter loser
Maybe he is trying for the BNP leadership challenge?
House prices are falling outside London
Really , brilliant I`m selling up and moving out. More misery for everyone else please
Will these 'McJobs' be in the manufacturing sector? Will they be filled by the 80,000 people from public sector jobs he said he was cutting under the Gershon proposals? Do pigs fly?
Gordon Brown might need to join Spain soon as his public debt soars ever higher.
From Marketwatch today's gold market - 'The Bank of Spain's sale in May comes on top of the 80 metric tons it sold in March and April, according to Neal Ryan, director of economic research at Blanchard & Co.
"That means they have sold over 25% of their gold reserves in three months into the market," he said in an e-mail. "That's not diversification, that's trying to fend off an economic meltdown in a major economy."
At least the Spanish are getting $675 an ounce. Gordon only managed $350 for his.
Oscar Wilde's cynic needs redefining. It was a man who knew the price of everything and the value of nothing. Gordon Brown has no concept of either.
You are on fine epigrammatic form tapestry, did you learn this facility at an epigrammar ?
The Bogey Man didn't say he was going to make welfare work for another 200,000, he said he wanted to.
He probably wants to pick his nose on television too, but his minders won't let him.
Whilst on the topic of Britain.
What is the likely cost of Britain day?
Billions I suspect.
12.5% increase in bank/statutory holidays impacting every employer.
Increased overtime costs etc etc etc
Proposed solution - swap it for May day!
Mr Tapestry the Hitch has been teling people to buy gold for months
BUY GOLD!
I see it hitting $1000 an ounce within 12 months.
Our chinese and Indian chums love the stuff and they have the goodies.
visit my blog to see how I propose to turn this countrys economy around.
Nu(old)labour under Gordon Brown wants to have its cake and eat it. More jobs for british citizens?! Don't make me laugh. He'll have to leave Europe and get serious about border control for that!
What is more realistic is far fewer jobs at lower wages.....Gordo's long-delayed Comprehensive (yes Newmania)Spending Review has to start cutting public spending below the trend downturn already planned from FY2008
If you want British jobs and you want out of europe there is only one party which is commited to both and all everyone does is call them names and not discuss the policies. Yet now when it suits. GB tries to nick the language and spin the ideas. But no one is fooled to save this country the ever growing BNP is the only solution unless the Tories ditch Cameron and start getting tough.
Hoon ducking and diving in the house over the issue of EU treaty. He refused to answer the question regarding criminal law veto being lost. simply resorted, rightly, to criticising the Tory lack of EU policy.
It is now clear that Blair/Brown are going to sell us down the river and keep us in the dark until its too late.
Is Brown really confident that he is going to be able win support for this in parliament, against the wishes of the british people? Or will he engineer a party unifying 100% support to push this through as a show of loyalty to the clunking fist?
he is evil
12.5% increase in bank/statutory holidays impacting every employer.
Theer are no plans for an additional bankholiday it will an existing one .Only important clients like Scotland get an extra day which they have already
Looks like Peter Hain is out of a job then!
Machievelli, citizenship is a colour-blind category. Brown is right about this, and showing surprising signs of rejoining the Labour Movement.
Which is why, Tapestry, don't be silly. If it's the EU Constitution whipped through that you want or fear, then I suggest that you look to the party of the Treaty of Rome, the Single European Act and the Maastricht Treaty; to the party that (with Ken Clarke rather than Brown as Chancellor, and probably as PM thereafter) would have joined the Euro at the start; and to the party affiliated to the Eurosceptic-free EPP, whereas the PES-affilated parties, not least in France but also elsewhere, contain the bulk of the opposition to the EU Constitution.
OBSERVERComprehensive (yes Newmania)Spending Review has to start cutting public spending below the trend downturn already planned from FY2008
If Gordon Brown opened a sack of Gold and poured it personally onto my prostrate form until only my head was left to peer at the glittering abundance I would assume that I had somehow it was a devious sophistry and I was in fact poorer
This has to do with ten years increasing taxes having promised not to .
citizenship is a colour-blind category
Citizenship of the UK is indeed just a set of entitlements .Being English is a set of traditions culturally cohering us into a people with a country. Such loyalties are of course loathed by the statist mouth breather which is why he is suddenly "British"....Obviously also because the Scots want out and he needs their votes, jeeez he paid for them with our money.
On Europe DL the Conservative Party as a whole has shifted decidedly in the direction of scepticism I have not noticed such a shift in the Labour movement who are always congratulating it on its wonderful contribution to “safety” ., human rights and so on.. Your summary is historical, it was supposed to be a market and naturally it was supported on a free trade basis by right thinking people . Labour only began to like it when it because clear that it was in fact a vast bureaucracy designed to import continental socialist models to this country not to say legislating the country out of existence in the long run.
I want to spend golden afternoons of languorous sin with the sorceress Jessica Alba......
Divorce is so expensive in London......
Newmania, you are, as your Leader might put it, "delusional". Since when did being the editorial position of the Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail make something the policy of the Conservative Party? This certainly doesn't apply to grammar schools, for example. So why to Europe?
What has become the EU was never "a market" (there has never been an organisation or institution called "the Common Mraket"), and the first clause of Heath's Act taking Britain in established the primacy of European law, which is as clear a definition of a federal state as one could possibly wish for.
Indeed, when presented with the plans for the original European Coal and Steel Community, Douglas Jay, on behalf of the Attlee Government, pronounced them "the blueprint for a federal state", was told bemusedly that that was indeed the whole point, and therefore set in motion the process to keep Britain out. Knowing all of this, it was the Tories who campaigned to get Britain in.
For all the faults of the Blair years, there has been no further European political integration, and most strikingly no attempt to join the Euro, which a re-elected Major Government (heavily dependent on Ken Clarke, since it would have been on his economic record that it would have secured re-election) would have joined from the start. But then, after Heath, Thatcher (above all) and Major, what other integration was there really left to do?
All three of Blair's Foreign Secretaries have been at least broadly Eursceptical (in marked contrast to any of Heath's, Thatcher's or Major's), and the present one is the most Eurosceptical since Bevin (the real reason for the BBC's hostility towards her - Tory Eurosceptics should give her a break).
Whereas Cameron is in the pocket of Michael Heseltine, and will not even pull the Tories out of the EPP, a rabidly and monolithically federalist organisation, and one, moreover, that grants associate membership to Turkey's ruling Islamist AKP, which it will admit to full membership upon the accession of that once-and-future Caliphate, the restoration of which is the real aim of the AKP. That, Newmania, is your sister-party.
The following letter appeared in last Wednesday's Guardian:
"David Clark (Brown risks isolation if he plays veto politics in Europe, May 29) seems to have forgotten that the EU constitution was vetoed by the people of France and the Netherlands in referendums. Attempts by the right in France and Germany to rehabilitate this neocon agenda should be resisted on behalf of all European workers, who suffer most from the politics of privatisation and cutbacks in public expenditure.
It is not surprising that around Europe it is parties of the left, and social democrats, that oppose these policies and this constitution. The people of France and the Netherlands rejected the treaty because it attacked the European social model.
I have tabled an early day motion in parliament calling on the prime minister and chancellor not to sign any treaty or agreement that affects the constitutional relationship between Britain and the EU at the Brussels summit without consulting the British people in a referendum.
John McDonnell MP
Lab, Hayes & Harlington"
Quite. The only thing to add is that any Labour Prime Minister properly so called would veto any EU Constitution, simply on principle. McDonnell would have done, as Attlee, Bevan, Gaitskell, Wilson, Callaghan, Foot, Healey, Kinnock (at least in those days) or Smith would have done. And Brown might yet.
By contrast, ONLY the Tories (or, as we might as well call them, the AKP London Branch) have ever enacted legislation giving effect to European integration, opposed by Labour (albeit with some rebels) the first time round, by Labour tout court (unless I'm very much mistaken) the second time round, and by far more Labour MPs than Tories the third time round (even though there were far more Tory MPs than Labour ones at the time).
But they've changed? As if! Two words: David Cameron.
David Lindsay is, of course, mostly correct about the EEC/EC/EU.
However I don't see how Brown can create jobs only for British citizens while we are within that EU.
Notice that Blair/Brown only ever quote employment figures (which are up hugely since 97) not inactivity figures (which are virtually unchanged despite "ten years of growth").
It's a bit late for Brown to play the economic patriotism card.
"However I don't see how Brown can create jobs only for British citizens while we are within that EU."
Quite. But the whole thing began to unravel at Nice anyway...
The only thing that can save it in the long run is the return to office of the ever-faithful, ever-compliant British Conservative Party.
"I want to spend golden afternoons of languorous sin with the sorceress Jessica Alba perhaps eating Turkish delight steeped in absinthe from the indent of her perfumed abdomen."
After me in the queue please matey. Jessica Alba is sweetly pretty and I want to protect her.
Still and all, another 200,000 five-a-day co-ordinators and real nappy supervisers? Sweet baby Jesus, we are all doomed once this loon gets the keys to Number 10.
The editorial position of Daily Mail and Telegraph reflect the opinions of Conservative Party members to some extent . Both papers are popularly and virulently opposed to the Labour Party . The Guardian,New Statesman and BBC broadly support the Labour party to about the same extent and are considerably more pro Europe especially the BBC which is also , not coincidentally , against the Conservative Party. This would be a fair summary of the position of Europe of the supporters of the two main Parties so I think you are saying that while that might be true the Conservative Party has been sold out by its leadership in the past .We were told at the time of the referendum on the Common Market that it was a Common Market .You are probably right that Heath was a traitor. Internationalist Conservatives of the 60s were enthused at the idea of a European Power Block and as I have said at that time British Socialism was suspicious of internationalism of this sort because it would not allow the national protectionism they preferred for jobs and the national socialist plan .Your reading of what might have happened and the supposed importance of Ken Clarke is a bit of just so story .Who knows
Looking forward if we are to distance ourselves dramatically from Europe whilst much of what you say is uncomfortably true I see no prospect of New labour making any attempt as it would simply not reflect the views of the its support. There certainly has been no attempt to engineer conflict or bring the nature of the dispensation to the attention of the electorate . I have assumed and it has appeared that the laws coming from Europe are amenable to the Labour Party who approve of micro controlling the workplace society and the high tax centralising model of Europe .They also value the traditions of Parliament , Common law far less and in general are less concerned about conserving the distinctive culture of our own country hence the uncontrolled immigration we suffer. Cameron will be obliged to withdraw from the EPP albeit ingloriously late and the Federalism or otherwise of the Groupings is really a happenstance in a British context. I can`t say that I am desperately pleased about Cameron on this but then I am also not obsessed with the EU especially
To be honest with you I have never come across anyone from the left who did not applaud just about everything that the EU imposes on us so I`m somewhat bemused at this slant on things . You can take my word for it that a settled wish to be a country again is gaining ground annually in the Conservative Party and eventually that is the way a Conservative Government would be obliged to go . It is not my impression that this is remotely the case in the Labour Party but then I would not have been looking for it I read the New Statesman and if that is any guide you are a lonely chap on the over there . I can`t exactly see for a socialist what the point of getting out would be. To make us closer to America and the Commonwealth, to remove costly red tape to reassert our distinctive nationality ? ??????? Blair ? Brown ? What do they care.
I approve of your resistance to Islam but how this is going to play with London Labour is a bit tricky isn`t it. We don`t hear a lot of that from Ken what with all the votes he gets from recent immigrants those on benefits and so on.
All very odd .
Newmania, you flatter. epipublic, to reply to your enquiry - and then sent down from Oxford, for disrupting Tony Blair's law finals (1975) - I didn't succeed obviously, but at least I tried.
RE EU.
As I remember it, Labour signed the Nice Treaty, the Dublin, the Amsterdam and all the ones allowing in 6 million immigrants in 10 years, and surrendering our navy and army to EU ccommand etc etc.
But never mind. I see past Conservatives as equally guilty.
Mrs Thatcher was got rid by a bunch of europhiles - Heseltine, Howe, Ken Clarke, Lawson and so on - just as she realised that the EU was not for her.
Major was parachuted in to sign the Maastricht Treaty, and Hague to keep opposition to the EU at a minimum. But despite the best efforts of the Tory elite of the 1970's and 80's to end British sovereignty, the average Conservative has finally got it that the EU is an economic, political and social disaster of cataclysmic proportions.
It pays out big to those individuals who do its bidding - such as one Rupert Murdoch, who we are told by lance Price, ran labour's EU policies all through the Blair years.
Gordon Brown gets media support because he's done deals. Those deals are likely to be concessionary to the EU, and unless he's played a fast one , he will shortly deliver this country to its final betrayal, and push the Constitution through Parliament without a referendum because Sarkozy and Merkel have asked him to.
If the eurosceptics of left and right joined forces across the political divide and Conservative and Labour MP's held hands to save their country, we might just survive this latest attempt to snuff us out. I am not confident.
I left the UK spiritually a while ago, and physically more recently. It's a sad story to witness seeing our country going down the plughole, but life goes on - and other parts of the world have much to offer.
Britain must find a way out of the EU mess she's in. I will die happy if I see that in my lifetime.
Poor Newmania, fondly imagining that Tory Leaders care what party members or core voters think. At the end of the day, what are they going to do? Vote Labour?
Of course, this also works in reverse.
The position of both parties on Europe has been exactly the same for over 20 years, both between themselves and throughout that period: a sort of mildly doubting support, with the doubts nowhere near enough to make any practical difference.
I fail to see the slightest concrete evidence that this has changed one jot on either side, or that it will do so in anything remotely resembling the forseeable future. If anyone can actually produce any such concrete evidence, then I'd be fascinated to see it.
Having returned to the UK recently I am shocked by what I find and am thinking I may have to move abroad again. The complete break down of law and order (at the government, corporate level) is shameful. The socialist experiment has failed miserably but the nobody seems to care.
People are missing the point here.
The obvious method of creating 'British' jobs is to continue the current system, namely untramelled access to this country by all and sundry with particular emphasis on dangerous criminals, terrorists and the pathologically useless, thereby creating additional demand for police, free housing, prisons, home office workers, social workers, Human Rights lawyers, and above all, for the ever expanding race relations industry.
"200,000 British jobs for British citizens.."
Goodness. The Smith Institute really IS staffing up, then?
Of course, this also works in reverse.
But where is the Labour UKIP ? Where is the ideological and emotional commitment that would even provide any pressure ? I think you underestimate the extent to which moderate opinion has shifted . Anti Europeans of long standing like to portray the whole development as a plot but actually it reflected the opinion of a majority at the time of the referendum and few are all that unhappy since.
personally i remained pro Europe out of a faint feeling it was both modern and Conservative until the last few years when I have begun to see something quite different. A great many people on the right have travelled a similar journey and this is reflected in the direction of the Party which is somewhat behind but not that much,. Nothing can be done without these political sea change being expressed and I see no hope of this of the Labour Party is in Power because none of its supporters distrust nationalism and support centralism.
Where is the Labour UKIP , wages are the Labour defectors . It is not , as to you imply a symmetrical position.
orOpinion can have shifted all you like within the Tory activist base or the Tory core vote, but there is absolutely no sign of a policy shift on the part of the Conservative Party itself. Where is it? It simply doesn't exist.
The Conservative Party, as such, is as federalist (i.e., not terribly, but enough) as it was 20 years ago, and the Labour Party, as such, is as federalist (i.e., not terribly, but enough) as it was 20 years ago.
As for UKIP, it's finished anyway. If it doesn't tear itself to pieces (which it is busily doing), then the Electoral Commission has been charged with killing it off, and is determined to do exactly that. What "pressure" did UKIP ever exert on the Tories? None that ever made the slightest policy difference.
As for "the Labour UKIP", UKIP is (or was) "the Labour UKIP". Add together the Tory and UKIP votes at the last European Elections, and you get a very improbably high figure even for today, never mind for the time, both nationally and, even more so, in areas of considerable UKIP successs: Yorkshire, the North West, the East Midlands, the West Midlands, London. But cut the UKIP figure in half, allocating half each to the Tories and to Labour, and it makes perfect sense.
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