Wednesday, October 08, 2008

Obama on Points

I stayed up last night to watch the US Presidential debate but wish I hadn't bothered. In the primaries there was a real sense that there was a meaningful debate about all aspects of the US economy and its politics. But in the three presidential and vice presidential debates so far, nothing could be further from the truth. All they have concentrated on is the other candidate's voting record. And it is very tedious.

I am tempted to score last night's debate as a boring no score draw. Each candidate played safe, not wanting to risk a gaffe. Tempted as I am, though, to score it like that, I won't.

Obama won the day, partly on the basis that McCain had to score a clear win and didn't. McCain looked and sounded so veruy old, that one's thoughts almost immediately diverted to the 'what if he died' issue. His answers were too often rambling and without direction. He relied far too much on his ability to be bi-partisan and his pointed attacks on Barack Obama sounded desperate and at times just plain nasty.

Obama was not at his inspirational best, but he was at least able to articulate a plan for the economy, which sounded vaguely thought out and plausible, in contrast to his opponent who filled his time with words, but not ones which amounted to very much.

So, just one debate to go, and not long before I have to jump off that very uncomfortable fence and decide who I would vote for.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

How can you even be 'on the fence'? It's a complete mystery to me. You live a parralel universe, Iain. McCain/Palin is the most anti-intellectual ticket ever!

The cultural differences between YOU and the Republican Party are sooo vast. They are not on your side of the fence. Trust me. Anyway, why the hell are you on the 'fence'? Crikey. You've heard enough by now to be able to make an informed choice.

There is only one positive way forward and that is with Barack Obama. If you can't see that by now then you just don't get it.

The hate mongering Republican Party represent all that is wrong with the world today. And the American people know it...Obama is soaring in the polls.

Iain, please wake up. Have a deep think. Obama is a great man and he will be a great leader. The world needs him NOW.

Jaz said...

They are both terrible, though I support John McCain simply on common sense, I did also think that Hillary Clinton was the better debater and we are left with two very mediocre candidates who know little about the economy, and one candidate is all military, and the other seems to say what people want.

Anonymous said...

I'm not convinced by Obama yet, but on last night's performance he is heading for a landslide. McCain is the right candidate but eight years too late.

Anonymous said...

I'm not too sure about Obama being a great leader (he reminds me just that little bit too much of Tony Blair).

But the McCain/Palin ticket is a disgrace. Even if McCain weren't the flip-flopper's flip-flopper (seriously, does he actually stand for anything?), the presence of that ignorant fundie Palin, "one heartbeat away from the Presidency" as the cliche goes, means that there really is no alternative to Obama. We're in for a rough ride if the GOP somehow pull this off.

Anonymous said...

What overshadows this debate is the continual Wall St. slide after the 'great' rescue plan was passed. Interestingly Bean & Badger haven't followed the US example, but then again Bean reckons that he ended boom & Bust.

Watch out for a spat with Iceland (noted NATO member) after all this with Russian money possibly buying fleet access to an Icelandic port.

Iceland's PM reckons he was let down, and Bean reckons that Iceland has defaulted - ah, what it is to have allies...

John Pickworth said...

I watched it live too...

And I have to say I gave it to McCain - just. While Obama came across as slightly more 'statesman like' he appeared to be the one jabbing at McCain and his record more so than the reverse. McCain by contrast seemed more measured but I really wish he'd drop that oft repeated phrase about 'crossing the aisle'.

I have a feeling that McCain is reeling in Obama... This debate was trailed as if McCain was going to be hyper-negative on Obama and Obama resorted to using a couple of well rehearsed lines in retaliation of an attack that never came. I suspect, McCain has lured him into a false sense of security and intends to hit Obama hard in the final debate.

Not that I get a vote but I'd love to have seen Obama and Palin on the same ticket. Now that would have been a fun Government. Still, whatever happens, we've been saved from 'orrid Clinton woman.

Anonymous said...

"McCain looked and sounded so veruy old, that one's thoughts almost immediately diverted to the 'what if he died' issue."

We'd get Sexy Sarah as president which would be the best of all options.

Anonymous said...

George Gerber says: ""We see America as the greatest force for good in this world, our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." -- Sarah Palin

Those are the words of Sarah Palin, a candidate for Vice President of the United States and an embarrassment to herself and our country. Her presence on the Presidential ticket of John McCain demeans all Americans who understand the words truth and civility. It shows us once again that the Governor is only interested in attaining unbridled power and self-importance no matter what the cost to the dignity of the election process. Her words are lies and her lies tell us the truth: Sarah Palin is unfit to govern the United States of America.

McCain’s selection of Palin is just as revealing. It was a last minute cynical choice intended to take the spotlight off truth and substance and replace it with lies and parlor tricks. It’s an affront to our election process and the American people. As a consequence, the Governor of Alaska has now settled into the immoral and unethical world of the gutter language of hate, distortion, lies and vitriolic attacks, in order to conceal the vacuum of ignorance in which she lives. "


John McCain and Sarah Palin are a disgrace. Inciting fear and hate disqualifies them from the race. The GOP are an ugly party.

Anonymous said...

a few things over the last few days have genuinely disgusted me with the McCain ticket. At a rally on monday when someone shouted out "Obama's a terrorist", the crowd cheered and McCain did nothing to say "hang on, that's too unfair". Hardly honourable.

And when Sarah Palin was introduced at a screaming rally by a county sheriff who said "Let's leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened", and Palin did nothing to say "no, that's too far" - the republican base and the ticket they support have shown their true colours.

Obama won the debate last night on the basis that he didn't lose. I'm glad McCain's favourability ratings have gone down the more negative he's become. it seems like the americans have finally learnt that fear and smear is no basis to elect a president

Anonymous said...

Yes, fences can be a pain in the arse. I hope the following will help you make up your mind.

Consider, if you will, not the vicissitudes of West Ham, but the
broader picture.

"Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" rages McCain - something Obama quoted back at him. Reagan was just as eloquent when he labeled the Soviet Union the "Evil Empire" and ramped up an aggressive military strategy against the USSR.

Everyone portrayed Reagan as a man who could barely remember his name and yet he was responsible for a shift in the tectonic plates of world hegemony. Gorbachev said, "Those were years when everyone felt that we lived under the threat of nuclear conflict.” But what he said of Reagan is interesting and I think relevant to your choice: "“In terms of human qualities, he and I had, you would say, communicativeness and this helped us carry on normally,”

He went on with this eulogy:


"a statesman who, despite all disagreements that existed between our countries at the time, displayed foresight and determination to meet our proposals halfway and change our relations for the better..I do not know how other statesmen would have acted at that moment, because the situation was too difficult. Reagan, whom many considered extremely rightist, dared to make these steps, and this is his most important deed"

Twenty years ago the world was able to call a halt to the nuclear option. Reagan/Gorbachev gave the world a breathing space of precisely 14 days, for two weeks later a Pan American jet exploded over Lockerbie, killing 270 people and heralding the new empire of evil.

The question is, which man do you think needs to be at the table with the other side?

Giles Marshall said...

I do agree canvas about the problems with the Republican ticket. Joe Klein on the Time website has described Palin's appointment as VP nominee as an insult to the intelligence of American voters and he's right. She glories in her ignorance, mistaking it for some kind of empathetic advantage. As for the debate, given the way in which even tiny mis-steps would now be blown into major issues, they will remain relentlessly dull as candidates strive to achieve the primary goal of emerging without error. Not a brilliant showcase for the world's greatest democracy I feel, but I equally don't know how the candidates or the media can move that situation on.

McCain was once a Republican to be respected - he has used up most if not all of his capital in the last few weeks of an increasingly desperate and ugly campaign. And despite his inexperience, I'd rather have Obama in charge of US foreign policy any time!

Jaz said...

canvas - She is fair the point out that Obama did and continued to associate himself with home grown terrorists. No amount of excuses can explain that away.

It's fair game, had John McCain done the same in the Republicans he would NEVER have nominates in the primaries.

Barack Obama is probably the "luckiest" guy around, especially since his "small town" comments, "Rev. Wright" came way after the time where he would lose the primaries. These issues have long been exploited and people are bored of them.

Anonymous said...

I don't say this with any joy but I really do wish Hillary had won the nomination. Obama reminds me more of Blair every day and he's only getting away with talking poo because "the heartbeat away" person is so scary. This is becoming more of an issue as McCain does seem to be showing his age more as the campaign continues.

Anonymous said...

This election was touted as the one not to win a good two years ago because of the Iraq imbroglio. Unlike the elctoral maths in Britain this could seriously lead to the Democrats doing a Baldwin and trade on an accumulated fund of confidence & support which can't be replenished. Yanks don't like being told 'No' - so all the next (reasonable!) Republican has to do is bullshit them and it's job done. Hell, if was Republican I'd not much care if they got 8 years - it'll hurt the Dems more than them. The President's hands are so restrained, so fixed - he can only trade in promises.

4 years may be profitable for Iraq (maybe), but the stockmarket isn't gonna improve much, the dollar won't increase much (will probably continue its decline), there ain't no money left in the treasury, China will be 4 years richer.

Is this a sucker punch? You've got to look at Palin and think of a local councillor - I wouldn't give that woman carte blanche to make my tea let alone be responsible for emptying my bins. She's so out of her depth & stupid, she doesn't even know it.

How much of a genuis is Karl Rove - he's like Mandy but with cajones. The Democrats have been played. Their election process is ridiculous. Just a thought - could be wrong.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

Our television in New Zealand is as biased as the BBC, if not more so, and we don't have the equivalent of the Mail or Telepgraph to make up for it.
Thank heavens for the blogs.

But I thought you would know about Obama and his friends.
First of all, let us look at ACORN, the group of community organisers.
ACORN is engaged in widespread voter fraud across Amercia.
It also intimidated banks into giving many sub-prime loans for affirmative action reasons.
Much of the financial crisis stems from the sub-prime loans , which themselves were driven by Jimmy Carters CRA act and an amendment to it by Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
Now, Obama was a lawyer for ACORN.

Then we have Rev Wright. I am sure you remember Obama's pastor and mentor , who was noted for his extremist views and saying 'God Damn Amercia!'.

Then, we have Obama's links to William Ayers, who was in the Weather Underground movement, which had a bombing campaign against the US several decades ago.
Obama grew quite close to Ayers over the years, despite the denials we see from the Obama camp.

Little is known about Obama's days at college but he has been fingered to having links with many leftist organisations.
Trouble is, much of the media are so in love with Obama, you won't find such stories on the BBC, etc, though CNN is starting to cover the Obama - Ayers connection.

Now back to ACORN and the financial crisis, several years ago, Bush and mCCain tried to rein in Freddie and Fannie but the Democrats thwarted their moves.
No wonder, many top Democrats were in the pay of Fanny and Freddy, including Obama.

As for McCain and Palin. True ,McCain is getting on a bit but he is better than OBama. Experience is what we might need in troubled times, though we'll make exceptions for the cases of Gordon Brown and our Dear Leader Helen Clark.

But Palin has the potential to be a great leader.
Remember how much your views will have been distorted by the lenses of the BBC, CNN, etc.
Though it was the Guardian, I believe , did liken her to Margaret Thatcher.

Obama is also very weak on defence, which is not what we wnat in the face of the War on Terror.
Remember Obama wanted a quick withdrawl from Iraq and he opposed the Surge. It was McCain who devised the Surge, which finally brought victory to Iraq.
Should the US withdraw from Iraq, you can be assured bloodshed would follow and the Islamic terrorists would be emboldened to strike not only in Europe, but mainland US as well.

For more details go to
www.nominister.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

jaz- the problem is that Palin is knowingly inciting fear and hate with her distorted lies.

Her ignorance knows no bounds. There are facts and there are lies. She chooses to lie and lie again.

So be it. The American people are not as stupid as McCain/Palin hope they are.

The American people want to know how they got into the mess they're in today - an illegal war in Iraq, this huge economic crisis... etc etc

They rightfully blame George Bush, John McCain and the Republican Party.

The GOP stand for greed and hate.

Obama and the Democrats represent hope and change.

I already mailed in my vote - for Barack Obama.

Anonymous said...

Yours is a good call. I stayed up too - as I hadn't for either of the other two and wanted to witness one. Very dull, and both were very negative. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for pointing out the failings of your opponent and negative politics works, despite what everyone says, but it was too negative.

Obama was an inch ahead just because he seemed more presidential... whatever that means.

Anonymous said...

Let Obama have it -

he is going to inherit global chaos in the financial markets not to mention the utter shambles at home.

There will not be enough money for defence the US will look and sound weak.

He will be found out in the first year and the republicans will stroll it in four years time

It's a no brainer.

Anonymous said...

Anon 11.15 - they'll always be enough money for defence but God help those who need healthcare, education, housing, jobs, social services etc etc.

Same old victims, different president. Whaddya gonna do eh?

Anywho - enough of this twaddle - 1st PMQ's of the new season and I think we all know what's gonna happen...M M M Mr Sp Sp Sp Speaker... getting on with the job, doing all that is necessary.

What will DFC do? Well, few one liners maybe but nothing to write home about. Save that powder young 'un - save it.

John Pickworth said...

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said... Some things above.

I saw something on TV last night that was quite telling. They were interviewing some good 'ole country folk and they appeared very appreciative of Sarah Palin. Reading between the lines you understood that they knew she was a light-weight but they liked (a lot) the fact that she was one of them, a small town gal that spoke just like them.

You know, the Americans might look stupid sometimes but I've never under-estimated their intelligence. George W appeals because he has a great way of 'cutting out the crap' and I sense that Palin is reaching the same people... I wouldn't rule out a Republican win just yet ;-)

Anonymous said...

"McCain is the right candidate but eight years too late".

Never a truer word said. This election is getting dirtier and dirtier and McCain is forgoing his pledges to run a respectful and honourable campaign. One wonders how much longer this can continue before he also forgoes his reputation and political future.

Obama didn't win on points last night, Iain. It was an overwhelming victory. As Canvas says, God knows how you can still claim to be on the fence. What do you expect to change between now and election day? I find it inconceivable that you could still genuinely not know who to vote for.

The "that one" aside is also, I fear, apt to come back and haunt McCain.

Anonymous said...

it is worth seeking out this clip from a yet to be aired simpsons to have the whole business of elections etc.put into its proper perspective. incidently ,homer's query on which party stands for what, is worth noting,and is rather less boring than most.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1529569286?bctid=1834283858

Anonymous said...

canvas said... "McCain/Palin is the most anti-intellectual ticket ever!"

Whilst I agree that McCain/Palin are pretty stupid, let's not forget those towering intellectuals George W Bush and Ronald Reagan...

Anonymous said...

McCain really did look old and tired. I'm (very) conservative economically, but socially liberal, so was attracted a little to McCain as the acceptable face of the Republican Party.

But the decision on his running mate ended that. Not only would we have a redneck anti-intellectual with a chip on her shoulder a heart beat away from the presidency, the choice demonstrated that McCain is no 'maverick' - he's beholden to the evangelical right of the GOP.

As McCain looks older and more tired that just brings the threat of having President Palin further to the forefront of the mind.

I'm not enthusiastic about Obama, but the decision has to be "anyone but Palin".

Anonymous said...

canvas said...

"I already mailed in my vote - for Barack Obama."

Enclosing a pair of your wet panties no doubt.

Anonymous said...

anon at 2:04pm - No, just my signature and very best wishes to Barack Obama. :)

Anonymous said...

Palin hates gays. No contest.

Anonymous said...

Iain, as a gay man you know it has to be Obama. Once you go black you *never* go back.

Yak40 said...

canvas
he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." --

Truth hurts ? Checkout the Obama - Ayers - Dorn connection, goes back decades. Even CNN concluded he's lying.

While you're about it, check out Rezko, Auchi et al, do the work the besotted media won't do.

You know there's a lawsuit in progress as to whether BO is even qualified ? All he has to do is produce proper birth docs, something 99.99% of us could do in an hour or two, but you know what his response is ? Fighting the suit, countersuing to stop discovery & run out the clock.

What's he hiding ?

Anonymous said...

Yak40 - I've read the NY Times article and it's old news anyway. There's nothing to it. It's just McCain trying to distract from the issue that everybody is focused on - the economy.

McCain can't change the subject, sorry, won't work. And why should he want to? Oh - because McCain doesn't have any new ideas and everybody holds him and his party responsible for this huge mess we're in...

yes. that's why they'll try anything to change the subject - they are desperate.

Obama is on his way to a landslide.

Yak40 said...

canvas I've read the NY Times article

Which was a whitewash.

Try September 11, 2001 "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers is quoted in a New York Times article.

Just one of Obama's longtime associates, as McCain said the other day, if he wants lessons in honesty he won't go to a Chicago politician. Obama's whole election story has been on rigging the odds, the only fair fight he was in, he lost.

Anonymous said...

yak40 - who really cares? It's all a load of bologna. It's been debunked a thousand times.

McCain has his confirmed skeletons - but the public don't want this sniping - they don't want old style politics. They want change - and they are voting for Obama...

As Obama said - his campaign won't throw the first punch - but they'll throw the last. Careful what you wish for, Yak40.

desperate tactics by the GOP and McCain. desperate....

Yak40 said...

It's all a load of bologna. It's been debunked a thousand times.


You're saying the bombings never took place ? What are you drinking ? How old are you ?

Sorry, to say "The public wants change" is just a cop out, sounds like the usual Dem BS "Oh that's old news, move along". So BO won't be negative ? Well he's got 95% of the media to do it for him, doesn't he?

Obama has huge holes in his CV and we're entitled to demand explanations before entrusting him with the top job.

Anonymous said...

yak40 i think you must be watching a different election to the rest of us. even fox news would find 90% of what you say to be bollocks.

Anonymous said...

Yek40, I'm saying that Obama was 7 SEVEN years old when those things happened and Obama has expressed his complete disapproval with the acts- . The man , Ayers, was never convicted for the crime. He went on to do go things for charity in Chicago and was on the same board as Obama for improving children's educations. So what?

Move on - because the rest of the world has. Bizarre. It's like you're grasping for straws.

Anonymous said...

grasping at straws...

What's the news? The news is that McCain/Palin have lost the plot and are 99% likely to lose the election. Your views?

Yak40 said...

jonathan, canvas.

Ayers wasn't convicted, true, because the cops screwed up, but neither he nor his wife denied it at all.

What I've said here is supportable fact. Try checking for yourselves, you might get a shock.

Anonymous said...

What was interesting last night was the response of uncommitteds when either candidate went neg on the other - the responses dropped off the charts.

McCain needs a game changer, but he's not going to get it by bringing up Ayers or Wright. Hill tried it - it didn't work for her and it's not going to stick on Obama.

Like Carville said, It's the economy stupid.

Obama was flawless last night btw. Cut out the rhetoric, and the stage presence was just so excellent.

Anonymous said...

yak40, well, Ayres isn;t running for President and nobady cares about him anyway. Really, nobody cares.

What people do care about is the economy. This is the reason McCain is LOSING. And also his poor judgment in choosing Palin for his VP.

There is nothing McCain/Palin can do to 'turn the page'. Try and they do - and try as you do.

Let's stick to the issues.

Anonymous said...

Incidentally -am currently accepting apologies for those who slayed me when I said Sarah Palin was a joke of a choice and would come back to bite McCain on the @rse when he picked her.

Just sayin'. : )

Yak40 said...

So you now dismiss Ayers altho' his association with BO speaks volumes about his lack of judgement. My father used to say a man is judged by the company he keeps and I agree with that. As recently as 2001 Ayers said his only regret was that they didn't bomb more. Bombings, BTW, in which ordinary working people died - were murdered. If that's your idea of an acceptable associate then I understand your support for Obama.

Regarding the economy; it's widely agreed that a lot if not most of the mess is a result of the issuance of subprime mortgages and their being sliced and diced into what is now junk paper (CDO, MBS etc). One of the main contributors in the US was the FNMA and FMAC entities. These entities pushed hard for banks to issue junk loans ("Ninjas" etc) by saying they would guarantee them. Acorn joined in the chorus "affordable housing" was the codename. Some in Congress, and the President, called for increased oversight as things heated up. They were howled down by the likes of Barney Frank, Dodd et al, even called "racist".

FNMA kept their supporters sweet by making big donations, Obama was the second largest recipient of such handouts. FNMA's head looted $90million in pay and now advises BO's campaign (but he should be in the witness box.)

Chart showing the mess here.

2003, Pres. Bush calls for oversight.

2004, Congress in action ?

Video on burning down the house.

So, having got into this mess, I don't trust the Democrats to fix it as they are in it up to their necks.

Anonymous said...

yak40, no-one trusts McCain over Obama on any issues. The same charge of the company you keep could equally be said of him and his association with the Lincoln Savings Group.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues

perhaps he shouldn't have lied about suspending his campaign to go to dc and save america. He's so full of shlt.

Anonymous said...

the biggest problem with McCain is that this campaign is turning into a single issue and he clearly doesn't understand any aspect of it or how to get us out of it.

Buying up bad home loans??? wtf was all that about???

Sec Paulson's staff are said to be v impressed with Obama and his graps of the macroeconomic issues at stake in the last fortnight.

Anonymous said...

I disagree Iain, I think Obama was at his inspirational best. Not in the least inspirational (unless you find those motivational speakers and self help gurus with their cliches and platitudes inspitational) and not in the least good.

Let's stop bigging this guy up because we fear the poltitically correct backlash. The colour of a mans skin should not prevent us from judging him objectively on his mertiricious performance.

BTW McCain is effing useless to, America is up shit creek. Even more so if you follow my link to the court cases pending against Obama.

Anonymous said...

McCain has no problem associations to Ayers either. Today McCain announced 100 former ambassadors endorsing him. At the top of the list Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. This is the same Annenberg who created and runs the Chicago education board that Obama and Ayers served on.

LINK

You can't make this stuff up. Priceless.

Anonymous said...

www.theGreatSchlep.com

yeahhh!

Anonymous said...

I though this was a rather stunning set of numbers.

"Before the debate, McCain had a 48/46 favorability rating; that improved to 56/36 by the end. But that’s about where Obama started the evening—54/36. After an hour and a half, Obama’s favorability numbers were 80/14. As Joe Biden would say, let me repeat that: 80% of the undecided voters had favorable views of Obama and only 14% saw him negatively for a net rating of +66." Stanley Greenberg (TIME)

Anonymous said...

I like how Sean Hannity got what was coming to him for his associations with neo-Nazis and anti-Semites.

Anonymous said...

Obama Action Wire: "John McCain's advisers have seen how his poll numbers plunge when he discusses his economic plan -- the other day they acknowledged he will lose the election if he keeps talking about the economic crisis.

So the McCain campaign decided to change the subject. Instead of talking about the issues that are most important to Americans, they're focusing all of their energy on attacking Barack.

We put together an ad to remind voters that it's time for a President who will change the economy and change Washington, not change the subject.

Help keep this election focused on the issues that will actually bring change."

Yak40 said...

This is the same Annenberg who created and runs the Chicago education board that Obama and Ayers served on.


Well, not really.

The Annenberg Foundation gave a grant to an outfit set up by Ayers called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). Ayers then brought Obama to head it up, disbursing cash to various pet projects in the education field, including Ayers' "alternative" schools.

canvas, you'll have to de better than quote Obama emails, I get that drivel too. Whatever next, Kos ?

Anonymous said...

yak40. You have really lost all sense of reality.

So its OK for McCain to accept the endorsement from someone who funds a group run by a man they themselves call a terrorist? Then again McCain has a lot of form with the Contras as well as the Nazis, fascists and anti-Semites on the Council for World Freedom.

Anonymous said...

As a Briton recently arrived in New York for the year, I am quite pessimistic about the choice.

The Republican choice is far worse and their reactionary brand of politics, comibined with McCain's volatile character, should certainly be enough to knock a libertarian European like yourself, off the fence.

However, the easiness of the choiceis not because of the particular strength of the other candidate. After eight years of Bush-stype deficit conservatism, Obama needs to face up with an honest message that his country will need to start paying its debt and balancing its book. In both debates he talked about spending more, without accounting for how and his campaign slogan relies on the meaningless phrases of "hope" and "change". His personal style is over-rated: he is a fairly poor at debate and weak on specifics.

As for the debate, Obama clearly won by (a lot of) points, but largely because McCain was so bad.

The simple truth is there appears to be no worthy candidate to face up to such difficult times and with all the immense coverage over so many months, it's easy to miss the obvious truth.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

Yes, everyone, have you heard about the court case concerning whether Obama is actually qualified to run for office?
The judge in the case has promised to deliver a verdict before the election.
Obama is being asked to produce his birth certificate to show that he is a genuine US citizen.
He may have been born in Kenya.
However, the Democrats are trying to throw out the case.
What are they hiding?
And why is the media hiding the story.
It is far more significant than Sarah Palin firing some state employee.
What happens if Obama is not qualified tio run for office? What happens if the disclosure comes AFTER the election?
The constitutional consequences are astounding!
If Obama has a genuine US birth certifcate, then why doesn't he simply show it?

www.nominister.blogspot.com has details

Yak40 said...

So its OK for McCain to accept the endorsement from someone who funds a group run by a man they themselves call a terrorist?

Don't you have any idea how foundation grants are awarded or how foundations are run ?

Apparently not.

Yak40 said...

Fairfacts media

Lawsuit info here.

Complete docs here.

As you say, wouldn't it be simpler and a whole lot cheaper to just produce the requested documents ?

BO is hiding something for sure.

Anonymous said...

The only thing Barack Obama is hiding are his cigarettes. :)


How desperate are these Republicans getting ? ! Amazing... How can a cranky, mean, old man like McCain ever hope to compete with an intellectual giant like Obama? McCain can't compete and he knows it.

Game over.

When McCain loses the world wins.

Go Obama!

Anonymous said...

New York Times today: "In a way, we should not be surprised that Mr. McCain has stooped so low, since the debate showed once again that he has little else to talk about. He long ago abandoned his signature issues of immigration reform and global warming; his talk of “victory” in Iraq has little to offer a war-weary nation; and his Reagan-inspired ideology of starving government and shredding regulation lies in tatters on Wall Street.

But surely, Mr. McCain and his team can come up with a better answer to that problem than inciting more division, anger and hatred."