Sunday, February 25, 2007

Blair to Sign a New European Constitution


The News of the World reports today that Tony Blair will sign up to Angela Merkel's replacement European Constitution without having a referendum. If this happens it really is true to say that we will have effectively become a province of the Greater Belgian Empire United States of Europe.
The News of the World can reveal the Prime Minister intends to rubber-stamp
the European Constitution without consulting his likely successor Chancellor
Gordon Brown — not to mention British voters. Mr Blair has PERSONALLY pushed
forward plans for a permanent EU President and Foreign Minister as one of his
last acts before he stands down as premier. He will travel to Berlin on March 25
to sign the 50-page agreement, Declaration on the Future of Europe. Far from a
simple "declaration", this is a binding treaty which embodies "basic laws" for
490 million people in 27 countries.

Its proposals were set out in the despised constitution, already crushingly rejected by voters across Europe. It will set up:

*A PERMANENT, unelected, president of the European Union who will speak
as a sole voice for the whole of Europe and serve a five-year term.
*FULL-TIME foreign and defence ministers to represent Europe — which means
powers like China and America will by-pass Britain and speak directly to them.
*A REFORMED European parliament, empowered to draw up more of its own laws.
Britain would lose the ability to veto its decisions — and each member state's
own government will lose the right to "opt out" of EU laws and treaties.

That will mean that Mr Blair's successor will be unable to renegotiate ANY
of the European treaties. The document is being finalised by the German
government, which holds the EU presidency. But we can reveal it will state:

*If a change of government in a country calls into question what has been
agreed, not only is society split in that nation, but our continent is increasingly incapacitated.
*We must commit to our European legal principles: pacta sunt servanda — "treaties are to be honoured."
*Officials in Brussels have been working on the new agreement since June 2005, when the Dutch followed the French in rejecting the 300-page constitution which laid out exactly what powers the EU needed when it expanded from 12 to 27 member states.

In all, nine countries with a population of over 150 million turned it down
or, like the UK, decided not to put it to the vote. Downing Street played a
major role in the latest negotiations but their plans have infuriated the
Treasury, which fears Gordon Brown will be landed with a series of deeply
unpopular moves when he takes over. One Brown aide told us: "Why are Downing
Street doing this? We don't need more European integration, we need the
integration we have to work properly." Under the new plans, the European
parliament will be able to come up with trade union laws, green regulations on
carbon emissions and metres of red tape that could cripple business. It can set
its own budgets, meaning the EU will tell Britain how much we must fork out to
fund its massive bureaucracy. That move alone will cost Britain hundreds of
millions a year, since the EU will be able to reduce our rebate from Brussels
negotiated by Baroness Thatcher in the 1980s.
Blair will deny this is a replacement to the original European Constitution, but if it looks like a constitution, sounds like a constitution and smells like one, then that's exactly what it is. And the Conservatives should now lead the campaign against it.
The NOTW also reveals that Blair will cause a by-election in the Autumn as he doesn't want to stay on in the House of Commons when he steps down as Prime Minister. More HERE.

64 comments:

Voyager said...

What about ratification ? Blair cannot agree treaties without the House of Commons

APPROVAL OF INTERNATIONAL TREATIES
Treaties are ratified by the Foreign Secretary, acting on the residual authority of the Crown (Royal Prerogative). Parliament has no formal role in treaty-making. Since the 1920’s there has been a constitutional practice called “the Ponsonby Rule” which requires that all treaties subject to ratification be laid before parliament for information and debate. Under British constitutional practice, the passage of the implementing legislation is not formally part of ratification, but it must precede ratification.


Ratification

Anonymous said...

This is disgusting, but the clearest sign yet that Murdoch would back a Gordon Brown coup to get rid of Tony before the end of March.

It is now or never, Gordon.

Hesitate, and the prize will be lost forever..

Anonymous said...

voyager - a good point, but it did not stop us getting 'stitched up' over Maastricht, and if people had not kicked up a fuss then, we would already have lost the Pound by now.

Scary, terrifying stuff.

Raedwald said...

The NOTW don't cite their sources. I think the story is a bit of a 'puff'. The Berlin Declaration on 25th May as far as I can gather is a sort of vague feelgood declaration to move forward - certainly how Barroso presented it in his speech on 13th Feb. The discussions to revive the constitution start again in June. I suppose we can take some comfort from the Hansard report from 16th January:

Mr. Andrew Mackay (Bracknell) (Con): Will the Minister confirm that it is still Government policy that if there is any new European constitution, it should be put to the British people in a referendum?

Mr. Hoon: It is absolutely clear that there should be a referendum on the European constitutional treaty, and that remains the Government’s position.

garypowell said...

The only alternatives Adolf had to being leader of Germany was death or becoming president of a United Europe. A thing may I remind people, he very nearly acheived.

For sure the Conservative Party should oppose European Hegemony, with all the passion The Conservative Party can muster. However whether they will or not is anyones guess these days.

Could we even trust David Cameron if he said he was going to?

Lets just cut the crap and get out now, before it will take a world war to sort out this undemocratic "liecence for megleomanic despots," mess.

If the only way we can stop Europe from Nazification is to leave then so be it. Either that or get on with it ASAP, because then I will know its time to get out the place ASAP, for good.

Man in a shed said...

The correct word for this is TREASON, given the impact on sovereignty perhaps high treason.

I wonder what Tony's reward will be for signing away his country to foreigners ? ( An EU presidency perhaps ? )

verity said...

Do you really think Blair ever intended to keep his word about a referendum? He was pushed into a corner and agreed, but I'm sure there was a get-out clause in the pool of toxic waste dump known as his mind.

It seems he still has his heart set on being the unelected "president" of the EUSSR.

It's not about Britain. It's all about TONEEEEEE.

I'm glad I got out, but I do not think my countrymen will sit still for this.

verity said...

Can HM refuse to sign?

Anonymous said...

Treason indeed, man in a shed, you are so right - and we must stop him.

Iain, please start a campaign ~ petition ~ online Referendum against this. This must be stopped in its tracks. You could perhaps put a copy on Blair's website, then we'll have the referendum he denies us there.

If this goes ahead, England must immediately declare Independence from the UK and refuse to be bound by Blair's treasonable actions.

Can we put him on trial for this too?

lapsed conservative said...

Amazing.
One sniff of a decent opinion poll and out come the anti-EU nutters to fight the true fight, as if the next election is in the bag.

I'm beginning to think this NOTW story was a Nu-Lab plant to feed the divisions in the conservative party. A few conservatives will show how split they still are, and the outcome will be nothing like as bad as threatened - making Nu-Lab look good.

Anonymous said...

Iain, how about you and Boris standing as joint PMs of England and declaring English Independence from the Union of the UK and the EU?

Anonymous said...

lapsed conservative said...
One sniff of a decent opinion poll and out come the anti-EU nutters to fight the true fight, as if the next election is in the bag.

Oh, really? Well you forget that the anti EU 'nutters', as you call us, are in the majority in our country. If you don't like, what's stopping you from moving to a part of the EU which better suits your Europhile instincts?

Devil's Kitchen said...

Iain,

You're a tad late on this: I mentioned this fact here at The Kitchen (warning: swearing) and here and here at IndependenceHome.org (no swearing).

Voyager:
"What about ratification ? Blair cannot agree treaties without the House of Commons"

What of it? First, he has a majority. Second, do you really think that the Tories -- who signed us up in 1973 and drove Parliament into ratifying the Maastricht Treaty in '92 -- are not going to ratify? For all their rhetoric, the Tories are pro-EU.

Letwin confirmed as much in his response to my question at the Bow Group lecture the other night (and he certainly did not say that they would not vote for a mini-Treaty).

DK

Anonymous said...

verity said...
Can HM refuse to sign?

Good point, verity. Perhaps we should all write to HM and ask her to stop Blair's self seeking act of treason in it's tracks?

Auntie Flo'

Londontory said...

Why would the President be unelected? Can't the glorious EUlectorate be trusted to appoint the right person?

Lapsed Conservative: do you think that Labour are less divided on Europe than the Conservatives? Labour splits on Europe are why Blair hasn't so far been able to scrap the pound and sign up to the last Constitution.

barnacle_bill said...

The poodle's reward for this betrayal of his country - that he will never be prosecuted for his war crimes!

Anonymous said...

Devil's Kitchen said:

do you really think that the Tories -- who signed us up in 1973 and drove Parliament into ratifying the Maastricht Treaty in '92 -- are not going to ratify? For all their rhetoric, the Tories are pro-EU.

Letwin confirmed as much in his response to my question at the Bow Group lecture the other night (and he certainly did not say that they would not vote for a mini-Treaty).

So Letwin and the Tories are traitors too. How dare these wretches sweep aside the right of the people of England to a Referendum on this crucial issue.

They're traitors, the lot of them. Iain and Boris aside.

lapsed conservative said...

responding to anonymous 2:04

If anti-EU feeling was such a powerful motivating force with the majority of the population then the conservatives wouldn't have lost the last three elections.

I'm happy with the way things are - but if we ever pull out of the EU then I probably would move.

neil craig said...

Is Bliar still hoping for his legacy?

On this Brown, who has proven eurosceptical could & should fight. If he did I doubt it would get through cabinet, since most of them are suucking up to him. If it did he he could certainly command enough support, with the Tories, to vote it down. It would mean Blair would support Miliband but it would make Brown popilar which, at this stage, is far more important.

Londontory said...

So Lapsed Conservative you would rather have the right policy decided by Brussels than the wrong policy decided by your vote?

And if the EU decided to implement a policy which you didn't like, how would you get it changed?

Matt Davis said...

Let's start an E-petition calling upon the Monarch not to sign into British law this vile and anti-democratic stitch up of the British people.Whilst it may very well not cause the Queen to refuse to sign it could become a serious wake up call for Bliar as to the strength of feeling aginst a Euro sell out on his behalf.Any chances of you hosting such a thing Iain?

Anonymous said...

I do hope he can find a country that will have him ,when people of this realise what's happening.

Anonymous said...

no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, preeminence within this Realm

English Bill of rights 1689 (13th Feb 1688)
Queen Elizabeth the second will have to breach this statute to go along with Traitors path.

John Sandell said...

Of course he wants an EU President - he's had his eye on the job since May 1997. But it might scupper the lucrative book and speaking deals, so Cherie might not be so keen.

Londontory said...

Parliament may also not bind its successors, so there has to be a get-out clause, or the Constitution must be ratified by a repealable statute?

lapsed conservative said...

responding to londontory 2:31

I think your questions make my point about this story being designed to create splits in the conservatives.

There are three ways this story can play out:

1) the NOTW story is true, Tony Blair forces this through without a referendum. Result is that his legacy is seen as about as positive as Ramsay MacDonald. In my view all highly unlikely.

2) It's a genuine proposition, but Brown steps in to save the nation. Result is Brown differentiates himself from Blair without going against anything said or done in the last ten years - positive to Nu-Lab.

3) It's all nonsense, but the conservatives show how 'highly-strung' they are about the EU (being polite). Result. Conservative polls drop back - positive to Nu-Lab.

This is why I described people who get worked up about this story as 'nutters' - this argument is as relevant as labour's uni- vs mult-lateral disarmament debate in the 70s and 80s. To paraphrase Michael Winner "Calm down, it's only a story"

Anonymous said...

HM has NO power it is always said and that for her to defy a government request a constitutional crisis. I am sure that HM commands loyalty from many more people than a c**t like Bliar. In fact that arrogant wanker is the only person who might try it on as well. If I was Sir Richard Dannert I would simply pack up and head for home, he wouldnt have even loaded the ship in Basra and the crisis would be resolved. He would of course because he and his troops have standards, if HM rang him on the quiet he would walk home if neccessary.

I am afraid it is time for civil disobedience.

If Cameron wants to survive the imminent implosion of this governemnt and the publics disgust at politicians failure to stand up to these liars he MUST call for him to now, call for a general election and table a motion of no confidence.

It would be a hard call to see who blinked first, Labour MP's sensing the game is up and trying to save their own skin and the desire to keep collecting their dosh.

Anyone supporting this government would need a big majority at any GE to survive a backlash

Voyager said...

verity said...

Can HM refuse to sign?



Wrong planet Verity. The Monarch does NOT sign .

Royal Assent is issued through The Privy Council and not The Monarch per se.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Assent

the Sovereign does not actually analyze the bill and make a decision on whether or not to grant Assent. In practice, the granting of Assent is purely ceremonial. Officially, Assent is granted by the Sovereign or by Lords Commissioners authorised to act by letters patent.

Londontory said...

Voyager, that's fine for relatively uncontraversial "policy" statutes but what about constitutional ones such as an irrevocable handing over of sovereignty?

Surely HM is the defender of the constitution and so would be compelled to intervene?

Voyager said...

Iain, time to practise your German...

EuropaFest

The 24-25th March is a Festival in Berlin to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of the Treaty of Rome followed by an Informal Meeting of Heads of Govt on 25th March

Europa wird 50. Feiern Sie mit!

Am 50. Jahrestag der Unterzeichnung der Römischen Verträge lädt die Bundesregierung zum großen Europafest nach Berlin. Die Bürgerinnen und Bürger erwartet am 24. und 25. März eine bunte Mischung aus Musik, Kultur und Information.

Europa wird an beiden Tagen mit einer "Nacht der Schönheit" der Staatlichen Museen, einer "Europäischen Clubnacht" und einer großen Open-Air-Veranstaltung rund um das Brandenburger Tor gefeiert.

Die Staats- und Regierungschefs der 27 EU-Mitgliedstaaten kommen ebenfalls am 25. März zu einem informellen Gipfel in Berlin zusammen.


Europafest am 24. und 25. März 2007

Ted B said...

I'm not sure about Blair standing down. If you serve 26years and 8 months you get the full pension pot ( details here ). Knowing what money grabbers the Blairs are would they forgo that extra cash for life? Of course, Blair would need Brown to not call the election until 2010 to get the full entitlement.

Anonymous said...

Lapsed Conservative

I assume you lapsed when you decided democracy, honesty and accountability were no longer important to you.

You are exactly the type of fuckwit that has kept this scum in power. We were promised a referendum on the last constitution and because two other countries voted against we didnt get our vote. Why? France had theirs after Holland had already voted.

We should have had our vote anyway and put on record the publics opinion about Europe, basically preventing any future attempt at backdoor entry .

We didnt have that vote because the publics view is irrelevent. You should get your brain in gear mate, why are you paying your tax to a government that has given their power away to EU in exchage for self interest. the only winners in a federal Europe are politicians

The next election will be about parliament having the supreme power in our country, we get to vote in a general election if we dont like them. We do not have this power in EU and are about to lose our veto.


Of the countries that did ratify the treaty only Lux and Spain held public votes, every other 'ratification' came via the parliament approval backdoor.

If you were ever a conservative (big or small c) you would find the EU abhorrent. Ultimately the EU is irrelevent it was doomed from the start.

We are paying ever higher taxes to a UK government, who become less accountable by the day, who have decided they are above the law, that has essentially bypassed our system of governmet by making patronage and political appointment in ALL independent posts. We have a ruling Party hostage to a despised PM who simply doesnt care.

If you wish to comment on a subject you clearly dont understand can you post them in crayon in future so i can avoid wasting my time.

Anonymous said...

Lapsed Conservative

I assume you lapsed when you decided democracy, honesty and accountability were no longer important to you.

You are exactly the type of fuckwit that has kept this scum in power. We were promised a referendum on the last constitution and because two other countries voted against we didnt get our vote. Why? France had theirs after Holland had already voted.

We should have had our vote anyway and put on record the publics opinion about Europe, basically preventing any future attempt at backdoor entry .

We didnt have that vote because the publics view is irrelevent. You should get your brain in gear mate, why are you paying your tax to a government that has given their power away to EU in exchage for self interest. the only winners in a federal Europe are politicians

The next election will be about parliament having the supreme power in our country, we get to vote in a general election if we dont like them. We do not have this power in EU and are about to lose our veto.


Of the countries that did ratify the treaty only Lux and Spain held public votes, every other 'ratification' came via the parliament approval backdoor.

If you were ever a conservative (big or small c) you would find the EU abhorrent. Ultimately the EU is irrelevent it was doomed from the start.

We are paying ever higher taxes to a UK government, who become less accountable by the day, who have decided they are above the law, that has essentially bypassed our system of governmet by making patronage and political appointment in ALL independent posts. We have a ruling Party hostage to a despised PM who simply doesnt care.

If you wish to comment on a subject you clearly dont understand can you post them in crayon in future so i can avoid wasting my time.

Anonymous said...

Any Human Rights Lawyers here, How about using the EU laws for us EU slaves ?

Anonymous said...

apologies for spelling grammer and the double post but i was trying to type. shout and get a bollocking from gf at same time.

Anonymous said...

Teflon Tony wouldnt have sold our sovereignty down the river to secure the EU presidency when it comes in (errr with this treaty) the next govt would be f**ked because also in the treaty is the loss of individual states veto -apparently getting 27 countries to all agree is proving challenging- how stupid are these people?

So instead of coming up with mutually acceptable proposals only, they abolish the law that stopped them doing exactly what they wanted.

When will politicians wake up to the fact that a tax collecting government that is not also the law making government has a very limited shelf life.

of course without the veto as a negotiating tool, we cannot stop the EU FORCING us to implement unwanted laws. Before if we really didnt like something we could threaten to derail the entire directive by voting against, this meant the directive would emerge after 5 years horse trading in watered down format. without the veto we are relying on our parliament to protect us....... now is it clear?

I am now officially an Anti-EU nutter and by implication a racist. Well that cool with me, I do not want to live in a country full of lying, cheating, politico's this white anglo saxon scum can go back to where they came from. I fully support closer integration with our democratic friends overseas such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc

Nobody even a little bit worried about this now that the EU is going to start introducing CRIMINAL law? I do firmly believe in teh holocaustt and everything it stands for, denying it will soon be a crime!

The BBC will report it as lunatic UKIP, BNP and Jean Marie le Pen collaberating with Tories.

Anonymous said...

Iain,

If you do not like this (which it seems you dont), what are you actually going to DO about it? If you raise it with the Chairman and he says "reform from within old boy, now go away and do as we say", are you going to take his advice? Or are you going to finally realise that this fundamental to the Governance of this country and completely destroys to the roots the last 1000 of Uk history? We are becoming serfs to the EU and no matter how it is dressed up, it represents a backward step for democracy. It must be stopped

Raedwald said...

Lapsed conservative - spot on. I'm quite sure the story was a 'plant' and the NOTW was the only Sunday that 'bit. On the basis I suppose that it would outrage its readers (a prime consideration for that publication) and that it couldn't be sued for libel.

Predictably, it's a story that gets the more excitable amongst us quite frenzied in a sort of wriggling drama-queen way.

So, Steady The Buffs if you will gentlemen.

Anonymous said...

Lapsed

OK. Will you stay in the UK if I agree to continued EU membership, we continue to implement EU law as we do now, continue to pay our membership fee and even give up our veto?

All I ask in return is that before agreeing to this, which is a pretty serious decision, we have a referendum to confirm this is indeed what the majority of the UK citizens want? After that I have no problem as I believe in democracy I will abide by the majority decision.

Sound fair?

verity said...

Anonymous 3:20 - V good!

I wonder if Gordon Brown understands that Blair isn't going? I don't think he does. Blair will only go when he reaches a higher plateau of self-aggrandisement - the "presidency" (unelected) of the EUSSR.

lapsed conservative said...

Anonymous 3:20 proves my point again.

As I predicted, this story gets the Europhobes to call anyone who disagree with them "fuck-wits", and not "true conservatives". You think people like me are the reason the conservatives lost, rather than people like you who repelled millions.

So tell me, does the conservative party want votes from true believers only?

Anonymous said...

Oh and just to make it all fair and an even playing field I think Germany should get a referendum on the subject. They have never had the chance to vote on membership of a 27 country superstate and as they have the biggest economy (until Russia joins in 15 years time)it is important to know they are fully behind the project. Thats only fair.

I do take the point about the story being a plant to stir up the Tory split on teh subject. You are right about us being split on the subject. The members and supporters want out and the political elite want tha staus quo. Something that you wil notice is a common disease among the westminster political movers and shakers.

Still their motivation surely wouldnt be as transparently selfish as using EU jobs to place their failed, discredited domestic politicians friends would it?

lapsed conservative said...

Reply to anonymous 4:00

I absolutely want a referendum before any new constitution or giving up the veto.

However I don't believe the NOTW story. It's a plant to get either 1) Brown to stand up to Blair (see Neil Craig 2:17), or 2) the Europhobes to show their colours

Anonymous said...

lapsed

finally you hit the nail on the head. I want what i believe is in the best interests of the UK, not what will simply get one party or myself into power.

I can accept that Tory's did many things considered repulsive buy others, some i agree were vile but had to be done, others simply are simply the bleatings of those committed to socialist principles.

I would happily discuss politics with Tony Benn but I wouldnt piss on Bliars cabinet if they were alight.

We are seeing the results of what happens when a party sells its principles down the river solely to gain power. I will HAVE to oppose the government/the status quo by trying to win the argument not by changing my very strongly held view.

I will not vote for Cameron on principle if he does not offer policies i support. I think you may well find a view shared by the 10m ex tory voters who no longer vote for them, the 100,000 of Labour party memebers who have evaporated because they dont like what they see in number 10.

I care much more about parliamentary integrity, rule of law, honesty and personal responsibility than I do the EU, immigration, Brussels.


The common ground is to be found in the process of government being seen to be democratic, fair and not riddled with sleaze. I have no time for scum like Archer but at least he paid the price for his crimes

Anonymous said...

Voyager has rather mis-stated the position. Treaties are normally laid before Parliament under the Ponsonby Rule, but not for the purpose of ratification. Ratification is done under the royal prerogative, as it was, for example, with the Treaty of Accession for the UK's membership of the European Communities. The European Communities Act 1972 was needed in order to give legal effect to those consequences of membership that had effect within the UK.

There is, though, one exception. Treaties that increase the powers of the European Parliament require statutory authorisation under the terms of the European Assembly Elections Act 1978, s.6. Under what is now Title VIII Art 48 of the Treaty of Amsterdam, national parliaments may also have to give approval before new teaties and treaty amendments are brought into effect.

Anonymous said...

is the story a plant, who knows but the 20 who ratified the teaty met in Portugal teh other to discuss oving ahead, Merkel bollocked them as she wants to do a secret round of soundings before presenting a new treaty/constitution/stich up proposal to ALL members in june.

Sure its not kite flying? He knows he will have to make a decision before he goes so might as well get the ground prepared.

maybe gordo is testing the water, his greatest achiement was to avoid any decisions on interest rates yet take the credit. he did this by giving responsibility to BOE for setting intersst rates and a movable (by him) targets to hit.

maybe he will make law making independent of government, let the EU do it and then have a fall guy ready if it goes pearshaped whilst taking teh credit in the good times.

He and the other superflous bodies in westminster could return to the important tasks of lying cheating and stealing.

..........yes this is a joke......

Anonymous said...

What about starting a petition over the bloggosphere to tell Tony Blair what this country thinks on this issue if he decides to bar us on deciding our destiny. He obviously has his eyes on the Blairs becoming king and queen of Europe. Surely he can be stopped before he does any more damage

lapsed conservative said...

To anonymous 4:27

You are right that we should all vote for parties that put forward policies we support, and argue for those policies we believe in.

For me where it goes too far is where a single issue dominates. For instance, if the party advocates an extreme policy like withdrawl, if candidates face a purity test on their EU policy, or if every EU story in the papers causes massively OTT response.

If it is more important to have a fiercly anti-EU manifesto than to win, then the conservites will carry on losing, just like the unilateralist labour party in the early 80s. Even in your own terms ("I want what is best for the country") this approach will be a failure, as it will lead to a more EU friendly party giving away more powers.

Anonymous said...

I see now why it is necessary to obliterate UKIP.

Anonymous said...

A bigger issue is the euro. Within 3 years (possibly sooner) the pound sterling will have been slaughtered on the foreign exchanges and Britain will run for the shelter of the euro, entering at around £1.10 to 1 euro or possibly even 1 to 1.

Brown is fully aware of this despite the bullshit he emanates regularly.

Rob Spear said...

Leaving the EU might have been considered an "extreme position" five years ago, but today a large proportion of the British population support withdrawal. The EU is little more that a sequence of embarrassing failures. Has the UK gained any benefit at all from its membership? At all? Anything? If so, please name it. None of the Europhiles I have asked have been able to come up with anything concrete.

Trumpeter Lanfried said...

Why should we lock ourselves into an organisation whose accounts have failed their audit for the last eleven years; an organisation which destroys whistleblowers; an organisation which deeply distrusts its own electorate?

On this, as on so many other issues, Blair is simply not to be trusted.

Anonymous said...

We are been sold down the river yet again thanks to Bliar!

lapsed conservative said...

Rob Spear asks "Have we gained any benefit from membership"?

I'll answer this differently. If we withdraw we will still have to take on most of the rules through trade agreements (just like the EEA or whatever it is called these days), but we would lose our vote, what remains of our veto, and the ability to marshall the smaller and more free-market oriented countries that recently joined.

Cato, author of toryheaven.blogspot.com said...

As I've argued on my own blog, we need to reduce dramatically the bloated European superstate. All that is needed is a minimal super-governmental apparatus to police a European free trade zone, nothing more. The next Conservative Government must insist on a dramatic recasting of the European enterprise. If that is not forthcoming, we should withhold our financial contribution. Let's see what European President in waiting Merkel thinks of that.

governor said...

I completely agree with Anonymous at 1.52pm.
We must start a campaign against this and I sugeest it should be by letter to your MP, of whatever party, an online petition and copious letters to your local and national newspapers.
Anything, anything to stop this traitor from selling his own country down the river so he and his family are able to enjoy the rest of their lives living off not only us but all of Europe for the rest of their sorry, despicable lives!!

house price crash said...

There's a lot of pie in the sky, wishful thinking on this thread. I hope this issue isn't going to cause fissures in the Tory Party again, allowing New Labour to win another election followed by five more years of them pillaging and ransacking what's left of the UK economy

DiscoveredJoys said...

You want a petition - how about:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/EU-treaty-NON/

In any event it is not Crony Bliar who wants the EU Presidency, it is Cherie who wants to be called "The First Lady". She gets all the EU freebies and her hubby doesn't get hauled up on charges of genocide.

verity said...

Discovered Joys - Too bad you overstated your case. The Blairina does indeed want to be elevated to first lady ("lady", in her case, being broadly defined to include the term 'fishwife'), but Blair has not committed "genocide" in Iraq. The killing of Iraqis is going on between the Sunnis and the Shia for dominance and has nothing to do with us. I hate Blair, but the Sunnis and the Shia can't be laid at his door.

garypowell said...

There is a lot of content on the above posts. One elephant in the kitchen you all seem to have missed is the BBC.

Our political elites are quite aware that they cant win an election, never mind stay in effective power for long without keeping them sweet.

Many of us may have given up on aunty many years ago, but they still command a lot of trust with floating voters. Although god knows why.

The BBCs agenda has got all the 3 main parties by the balls. Its very large TV tax funded research teams backed up with leaked MI5 files have got the "goods" on every MP in the country.

They can choose to release "information" of a "very delicate nature" on just about every member of the house of commons and many large companies, whenever they choose.

You all may have noticed how the BBC puts the dogs on someone or some business at a whim. But we should always ask ourselves. Why? And especialy. Why now?

Also

The PM though his civil servants at the whipps office or at private undersecretary level can and does leak to the press and much more importantly the BBC and the rest of the broadcast media.

He can do this when he likes and to anyone or any business he likes. Or should I say does not like.

Many of the strings the European project pulls are pulled at broadcasting house.

The BBC is in direct contact with European media institutions, which also feed on each other to protect their respective government budgets.

All the top executives most of the governors and a vaste magority of BBC reporters, directors, and above all editors have personal long standing politicaly inspired pro EU agendas. Which they dont often even bother to hide.

All this makes getting the BBC to represent the publics desires concerning the European issue, almost an impossible task.

It is not possible to overstate the DIRECT affect the BBC has on national debate and national policy. Or the only slightly less indirect power the PM has over the BBC.

So any campaign to stop the EU has to involve a full scale attack on the BBCs credibility as well as our governments.

Otherwise the BBC will just spin us all into silence, or even jail. No joke.

The people we know are with us, however the public mainly just want a peacefull life. So some one or something has to wake them up.

Peacefull but very large public protest marches are the only thing our media can not now easily ignore.

Because take my word for it the BBC have ignored the will of the British people for a very long time.

So they are not going to change their EU agenda now for all the cash in Ronny Cohens bank account. Not anyway, without a very serious well organised fight.

Yes sorry chaps and chapesses this is a battle that can not be won by us all sitting at our bosses PCs alone. We might just have to start doing some real protesting.

If this countries democracy, that countless millions of our forefathers died for, is not worth at least that.

Then quite frankly we can not only "hold our manhoods cheap" we will DESERVE to loose our freedon and democracy and that of our childrens forever.

Do we all want our children to know when reading their history books that it was OUR generation that just chucked it all away?

Anonymous said...

Everything Blair does is about his own vanity.

He is so vain and deluded, he probably still thinks he can become President of a United States of Europe. This final act of treachery, signing away our independence is again all about his vanity and his need for a legacy.

I've been saying for five years Blair would never stand again as an MP after he steps down, because he is too vain and self-important to play second fiddle to anyone else. I never thought he would make it so obvious that he would force a bi-election.

Why do Labour MPs put up with all this. It is like watching the Stepford Wives their sychophancy is so sickening.

Dr.Doom said...

The contrast should be old constitution and this one.

Iain scares me with this new one as being more powerful that the old.

A foreign secretary for all? The old one says that if an individual country disagrees, then they can opt out.

The EU budget, so lovingly embraced by Thatcher's children, is old hat and well they know it.

Trade has doubled since then and the calculations for our membership require a bigger payout (for a bigger return) as a consequence.

A bit of scaremongering going on here and the Tories want to scare for the simple reason that they are done.

Dead and buried as a political force in this Country.

Heath, Thatcher, Major, and now Blair. Duty done, regardless.

Long live the European Union and down with racists.

Doom.

verity said...

Anonymous 3:22 a.m. - Blair is vain and self-regarding to a degree that tells me he doesn't have the thinnest, most tenuous tether to reality.

Gary Powell - I agree with you. Many people might not have noticed the BBC's entry into powerful politics on little cat feet, but I was away for several years, and when I returned to Britain, I was shocked at the power, and malice, of the BBC.

Anonymous said...

If this treachery by a man losing his grasp of reality,is true, Brown and the cabinet must be in agreement. What plans are there to prevent this disaster?
It would make the Labour Party unelectable for fifty years but even this is too high a price to pay.

Daemon