Sunday, July 09, 2006

Support for an English Parliament Grows

Good. There's a new MORI poll which shows 26% of the population are now in favour of an English Parliament, up from 16% a month ago. Expect that trend to continue.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

In reality it will be a LOT more than that, the best part is you will hardly find any English people who (with any sense) who wont support the campaign for an English Parliament once they have seen the facts, it will grow and grow and grow and England WILL have it's own Parliament.

We already have the building.

Greg said...

People who want an English Parliament (without actually wanting Independence) haven't thought it through at all. Ignoring the point that there are barely enough talented politicians about to form a Cabinet, let alone a Government, let alone the UK Parliament, let alone an English Parliament, how the hell would the public spending/taxation relationship work? Scotland and Wales 'works' because their levels of public spending are linked to England's so there is no mechanism for the UK government to "harm" the Scottish Govt by varying taxation without harming themselves. Effectively you'd have to devolve tax raising powers on all devolved matters, amounting to hypothecation . Most Cabinet posts would cease to exist leaving the UK Parliament having Foreign Office questions 5 times a week. And Chancellor would become a minor role, less powerful than the Chancellor of the English Parliament. Either the break up of the UK would quickly follow, or possibly the UK Parliament would have to be reformed to a rump, probably PR elected group of about 100 members.

Conservative supporters of an English Parliament should also consider that this would probably have to be a PR body.

Paul said...

I'd rather see local Government made much more relevant and independent from Central Government edicts.

BondWoman said...

Clearly the previous commenter completely conflates England and the Union. Anyway, aside from that, yes, I expect it to grow until it more or less matches support for the Tory party in England, and then rise no further.

John said...

I just think that Scottish MP's should not be allowed to vote for issues that affect only England. for example, Studend Grants, Top up fees and Loans, when they have a much different system in Scotland.

PJ said...

I can't see Labour ever conceding an English Parliament, except as a toothless taking shop which will have no support. And I can see the idea dying away if/when the Conservatives win the next election. If Labour lose a majority of English seats, but win because of their rotten boroughs in Scotland and Wales, that's when the fireworks will start.

Personally, I'd support an English Parliament if the Barnett forumla were simultaneously revisited, and if that Parliament had control over at least the issues that the Scottish Parliament had, preferably more so. But we don't need another toothless talking shop like the Welsh Parliament.

david kendrick said...

An English parliament to sort out the WLQ and the Barnett formula?

An extra layer of bureaucracy, similar to the Scottish parliament---what an odd 'beacon of excellence'....

A workmanlike compromise is to have much larger Scottish and Welsh constituencies, to reflect devolved powers. Which used to happen in Ulster, and might again.

Chris Doidge said...

Politicians are the only people who understand what an English Parliament would mean, and want one nonetheless. For everyone else in the country another layer of bureaucracy is far worse than the West Lothian question.

houndtang said...

Why do we need another layer of politicians and bureaucrats? We have an English parliament, it's called Westminster. Just remove the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs from it.

westcoast2 said...

It seems we can't have 2 tier MPs yet we can have 2 tier citizens in the UK.

I note a number of people mention that the Scottish people had rules imposed on them by the English through Westminster and now say the tide is running the other way so tough luck.

It seems that reasoning (injustice replaced by revengeful injustice) would assist in the calls for an English parliament.

towcestarian said...

English Parliament? Nah. Bad idea. Full independence, that's what we need.

We could also hive off the socialist republics of northern England into a separate state. Just imagine, John "Kim" Prescott as the mentally unstable Stalinist President of North England, with "Comical" Hazel (Blears) as the Minister of Information. Woops! just remembered, they'd have access to the nuclear stickpile at Sellafield, and would be lobbing missiles into the North Sea in no time. So maybe not such a good idea after all.

jafo said...

I picked up an interesting snippet from the BBC News site recently. As of 1st April this year, EVERYONE in Scotland can have a free eye test. Not just children, people over 60 and diabetics - with everyone else paying, no, that is just in England.

Apparently it is to improve the health of people in Scotland - no doubt it will. Won't help the health of the English, of course, but that's OK, they're just the ones paying for it.

Scarlatti said...

This 26% figure for those in favour of an English parliament does not appear to warrant the degree of excitement it has created. It means that there is still a very sensible and very sizeable majority who think the whole thing is baloney. Why not dissolve the Union with Scotland? Devolution in Wales hardly warrants the term when one considers the powers the Welsh Assembly has, and the number of Welsh people who bothered to vote in favour of it. Oh, and I don’t want to hear anyone wittering about ‘decentralizing power to local communities’. People don’t give a damn about local government. They know that you can have too much democracy: that is to say, more scope for corruption and pork barrel politics US style.

Anonymous said...

Just what is the point of the Union? What function does it serve since the end of Empire and emergence of the EU?

Dee said...

41% is a sizable amount, when the debate hasn't yet even begun.
People like Jafo are surprised when they discover the free and cheaper services provided to the northern - and western - Britons.
How disgusted will they be when they find out that Scotland gets cancer drugs that are denied to the English, or that the government used lottery money to by land and property portfolios for the Scots?
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Whether this government or the oppostion like it or not, England is going to get its own Parliament.

Gavin Ayling said...

If you (the readers), like I, believe that independence for England is the best plan, then please support an English Parliament as the interim solution!