Thursday, October 22, 2009

Unite Against Fascism Use, er, Fascist Tactics

The Guardian is reporting that the Unite Against Fascism protesters outside the BBC are chanting this charming ditty...

Build a bonfire, build a bonfire, put Nick Griffin on the top, put the Nazis in the middle, and burn the fucking lot."

Is that incitement? asks a commenter in the previous thread. The Police would have every justification for arresting them and charging them with incitement to violence. As Gavin Whenman tweeted just now...

Unite Against Facism by employing facist techniques. Good on you guys!

59 comments:

Mirtha Tidville said...

Yes Iain but the cops would have to develop some balls first...too late for that I fear

Norton Folgate said...

Irony and hypocrisy is lost on those "chumps"

I imagine they will be immune to incitement charges the same way militant islam is.

Ron Todd said...

There are some on the left that are all for free speach until somebody says something they do not agree with.

We cannot have the right of free speach without having the right to offend.

David said...

I see 3 people have been arrested.

Oliver Drew said...

Oh delicious irony. Do the blooming idiots not realise that they are giving the BNP exactly what they want. Shame.

Rab C. Nesbitt said...

That's why most of us laugh and point at the f*ckin nuggets.

Wrinkled Weasel said...

Over at Political Betting, they are conducting a poll on whether Nick Griffin should be on QT. The overwhelming opinion is that he should.

Meanwhile, if you want to find Nazis, that is, a mob of people whose sole purpose is to terrorise and intimidate, to disrupt, to shut down freedom of speech, then look no further than the gates of the BBC.

Public opinion won't go away just because of a few unwashed lefties. I am hoping that the next Government are shitting themselves over this. I am hoping they will grow a set of cojones and acknowledge what the issues are.

If not, let's just have a revolution and change the system. Why not? The country is going to be more like Pakistan than England in 50 years time anyway. The default is not an option.

Anonymous said...

But these are the same types who fly all over the world backpacking, or even to Climate Change forums in Bali or Copenhagen, and then tell the rest of us we mustn't go anywhere near an airport. So I suppose just like good carbon footprint there's also good fascism.

BigGibb said...

I'm glad there seem to be many others that notice what an embarrassment the UAF are.

Peter said...

All this seems only to build up the BNP notoriety and will undoubtedly help the party to grow.
The only way for the BBC to give coverage in an impartial way would be to do a documentary on the party and follow it with an in depth interview by Paxman on Griffith.

David said...

I was just thinking this such a big coup for the BBC Political Dept.

The ratings for question time are going to go through the roof and follow that with This Week. People are saying Nick Griffin will be happy, id think David Dimbleby and Andrew Neil would not be too far behind Griffin.

Grand Master said...

Griffin is certainly scum, but these "liberal fascists" should know better than to try to silence someone just because they disagree with him. The best way to take on the BNP is to show their racial theory arguments and opinions for the rubbish that they are through debate not imposition of other opinions.

Dungeekin said...

I really hope that singing nasty songs about the BNP isn't incitement.

Otherwise I'd really be in trouble with 'Racist Loopy Nuts Are We'....and probably executed for 'You Gotta Taunt a Fascist or Two'.

Oops.

Though it seems to me that making them the object of laughter and scorn with debate and the odd song parody, rather than meeting their hateful tactics with similar aggression, is probably a better option.

D

tapestry said...

EU narrative of the month -

'Britons Are Brutes'.

Cameron and Hague are holocaust deniers.

The Lisbon Treaty will have to be enforced here as we are a dangerous bunch of psycho-primitives.

The BBC is providing a little bit of stage managed street theatre in support.

Anonymous said...

Strikes me as odd that the BNP story has pushed the Royal Mail strike off the top spot on the news and that one of those most strongly trying to stop the BNP appearance and therefore stop the story is Peter Hain who... used to work for the union holding the Royal Mail strike.

If Peter Hain had succeeded then the CWU's strike action would surely have stayed as the main news article with all the attendant publicity.

Constantly Furious said...

And remember, the UAF is a fake charity, funded by Unison and the Home Office. i.e. By us.

We've talked about this before, haven't we?

Remember their famous quote?

"We don't believe in free speech for fascists".

Oh dear ...


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Anonymous said...

Well, it's always instructive to turn thing on their head and see how it looks.

So, if you substitute 'Bin Laden' for 'Nick Griffin' and 'Ragheads' for 'Nazi's' the whole lot would have been arrested instantly.

The Guardian would be printing a special edition and left wing commentators would be purple with outrage.

Nothing will happen to this lot; except anyone asking the police to deal with them will be moved on.

Anonymous said...

Anti-fascists are just as disgusting as fascisits, only more nasty and violent.

I would have more respect for them if they dared to show their faces at extremist gatherings. But they seem to think that only extremist who call for our murder, are deserving of free speech with molestation.

Its a pity Cameron is listed as a supporter of these vile scumbags. Has he never heard that two wrongs don't make a right?

Metrodeco said...

We're a small tea shop in Brighton and we've just written about our very recent experience with Nick Griffin and the BNP and about our thoughts on his Question Time appearance: www.metrodeco.wordpress.com

Ian Thorpe said...

It has been the case for years that the Anti Nazi League are the most Nazi organisation in this country.

Anonymous said...

Where were the United Armed Fascists last week when the peaceful and tolerant muslims formed a mob outside the Scottish Parliament South saying if the Police werent here they would have Wilders head on a spike?, why werent the 'UAF' there then? why were they silent then?, why were there no arrests last week?.

The far left are every bit as bad as the far right, it should be noted also that we have had an extremist party in power for almost 13 years, and that the EUSSR is run by the far left.

Rexel No 56 said...

Iain

On the previous thread you expressed the hope that tonight should be a regular edition of QT without any BNP specific questions.

I'm sure that was the intent, but one can be sure that the first question will be "can the UK support a population of 71 million?"

The release of the ONS report yesterday is no concidence. Someone is looking to provoke strife here; coming at the same time as the Royal Mail dispute is being stoked, I'm wondering what's up.

Have Mandelson and Brown decided that a winter of discontent could actually be in their favour?

R56

Norfolk Blogger said...

I've argued on my blog that the far left are not so different from the far right.

Bardirect said...

I rather suspect that we may well see a UAF version of Kristallnacht or even the burning of the ReichBBC.

Alec said...

Not fascist techniques. Just squadist.

Nutters.

Elliot Kane said...

Anyone would think that the political establishment and groups like UAF wanted the BNP to do well. They're certainly doing everything in their power to promote the BNP and try to make them seem like major players, after all.

It's crazy. You don't beat a minnow by shouting "SHARK! SHARK!" and trying to catch it with harpoon guns. All you do with that is start to convince others that the minnow IS a shark, after all.

If the main political parties wanted, they could destroy the BNP tomorrow. They just need to start paying attention to the very real fears of people in deprived areas about immigration, jobs and other things that make them turn in despair - or protest! - to the party that seems to be listening. The one party that all the others seem to fear so very much...

The BNP have, in short, been set up as the perfect protest vote.

Yet another example of the utter ineptitude of the political establishment.

And for the record, I have voted for many parties in my life, but never the BNP. I fully intend and expect that that 'never' will remain absolute. True 'British values' - fair play, honour, justice, common sense, etc - are anathema to them, and thus they are anathema to me.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many of these UAF members are actually registered to vote and bother voting in elections.

In case any of them read this (assuming members of the UAF can read), lads why don't you either stand as candidates against the BNP yourselves or get out and help candidates standing against the BNP by knocking on doors, delivering leaflets etc. Its far morelikely to have an effect by doing what you are doing, calling the BNP names and throwing eggs at them

Anonymous said...

Norfolk Blogger said "I've argued on my blog that the far left"

I disagree I think the far Left are far worse. Personally I think all the lefties should be ashamed of themselves - Police Officers going about there job were injured today for nothing.

It makes you wonder if this BNP thing was cooked up for alterior motives by the government......

Anonymous said...

Strange didn't Zac Goldsmith support eco terrorists when they attacked Kingsnorth Power station?

Those nasty lefties would fight for gay rights too I should imagine.

tapestry said...

We used to sing that about our teachers. Never thought anyone would take it so seriously...

Adults behaving like children is all I can see. Miliband started it, honest.

VotR said...

All under a Labour government. They have turned this country into a joke, while playing the puppet masters in the background. If things go wrong, the finger of blame should squarely be pointed at them.

They are in charge, it is their responsibility and irresponsibility. They are to blame.

This machine kills fascists said...

My old man dropped bombs on the nazi party headquarters in Nuremburg in 1944. I can handle a few half bricks going Griffin's way.

It's great to see people standing up and saying that they won't take it.

Bardirect said...

Don't wait up skynews are showing it in its entirety early!

Grand Master said...

Just saw clips of tonight´s show on Sky news. I imagine for some viewers it will have looked like bear-baiting. Griffin had nothing to lose from the event and if the clips were an accurate representation then the Lab, Lib and Con speakers appeared like unbearably pious middle class liberal sociology teachers - just the type of people that the BNP core voters and potential voters would not like. To me, it looks like Straw et al played into Griffin´s hands, unfortunately. On charges of being a Nazi, Griffin said that whilst his father had been in the RAF, Jack Straw´s father had been in prison during WW2 for refusing to fight Adolf Hitler. Ouch. That said, Griffin does not look or sound pleasant and he certainly does not have a winning smile.
For all their supposed hatred of the BNP and all it stands for, the UK media and politicians have done a hell of a job in creating publicity for a small and dangerously deranged group of very nasty people. That was my impression anyway.

Stepney said...

It's always been the way of the left:

Protect democracy by preventing freedom of speech.

They are SO crap it hurts sometimes.

trevorsden said...

R56 - of course the release is coincidence. And the firsrt question will not be the one you suggest.

Without the BNP it would be a legitimate question.

But just look at you all - all dancing to the BNP tune, well done BBC.

The lunatics are in charge of the BBC asylum. This whole unedifying exercise is totally unnecessary. The pinprick of the BNP does not warrant it - unless you are the labour party who worry about losing their core vote to them.

Grand Master said...

Has the BBC just used this whole thing as a way to promote itself, regardless of any possible consequences?

Vanguard said...

To be fair though, these BNP blimps aren't much different to the Tories of the 19060s/70s, and not at all different to what Catholics in Northern Ireland had to deal with in Unionism.

Anonymous said...

BBC had to redeem itself by inviting a stream of people onto the news channel to assure us that Griffin done bad. Chris Huhne spoiled it somewhat by making a party political speech on how the LibDems were the only ones opposing the BNP.

Anonymous said...

"No, no, we're Muslim"

"OK, carry on, then"

Nick said...

Er, no. We used to sing that song at school, except about teachers and prefects.

Somehow, despite our propensity for HATE SPEECH against authority figures, we managed not to march around kicking black kids in the teeth and persecuting Muslims.

Astounding really.

True Belle said...

Sorry oh, Iain, why are you allowing your blogs to become bullying and brutish .


Griffin will fade away eventually because he will give himself nightmares, he could be given a hand of course - de-programming him could be an unusual challenge!

DiscoveredJoys said...

The unwashed rioting outside the BBC, the Posties striking, the Tube workers threatening to strike, the economy not in the best of health...

It's shaping up to be the Winter of Discontent, all over again.

Cynic said...

As Griffin and the BNP are white inst this not indirect discrimination and therefore an incitement to racial hatred? - no matter how attractive the prospect might seem

patrick said...

de-programming him could be an unusual challenge!

October 22, 2009 10:28 PM

and one million others ?
do wake up you silly cow.

Martin Day said...

Interesting that this 'Black' War Hero is honoured (Or announced) on the day the BNP go on Question Time. I fully support it has holding off 250 people single handedly must be difficult.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221998/The-black-SAS-war-hero-held-250-rebels-single-handed--Britain-forget-minority-forces.html

Anyone would think this was part of a concerted strategy to scare Labour voters to the polls come the General Election due to threat of the BNP.

I dont think the BNP will do very well at the GE either way but what I would say is a higher turnout of Labour inclined voters could make the difference between a Tory Majority and a Hung Parliament.

Bardirect said...

Playing the man not the ball.

Interesting how Warsi never attempted to counter his feminist critique of Mohamedenism.

But he was weak, humourless and a poor advocate of his position.

Anonymous said...

"Fascism will come to America in the name of antifascism."

Huey Long

Quietzapple said...

Particularly amusing that some on both the left and right (Iain Martin - could hardly believe it!) who bang on week in week out about civil liberties when they simply fail to understand the need for Uk security have opposed the Beeb's decision to allow Griffin to speak.

Quietzapple said...

"Fascism will come to America in the name of antifascism."

Huey Long

Wrote Anon.

Long was widely regarded as an fascist of some kind. Unsure wether it is wise to categorise them too finely, mind . . .

Norton Folgate said...

These days anyone who doesn't agree with Labour about immigration is considered a fascist

Roger Thornhill said...

UAF vs BNP is a turf war over what kind of Socialist Authoritarianism we would be subjected to.

And no, the Tories are not much better.

Andy JS said...

Someone should do an experiment, singing this chant but with different kinds of potential victims, just to see if the police react differently according to which group the potential victim comes from.

We're all supposed to be equal but as far as the police is concerned that no longer seems to be true.

Ron Todd said...

The left is the extreamism of the intalectual the right is the extreamism of the thug.

They are like evil twins one is locked up in the attic kept away from polite company while the other is invited to all the best parties.

Anonymous said...

I think that the use of the term "blockade" by the misnamed UAF was revealing. They wanted to prevent the programme going ahead. They wanted to stop Nick Griffin and the other panelists debating. That goes way beyond legitimate protest. The rent-a-mob will now move on to Leeds to "confront" their mirror-image the EDL.

Pat Harrington

lenko said...

Wow... I posted much the same sentiment at http://dailymoaner.com/?p=529
Does this mean a visit from the Heavy Mob?

neil craig said...

The most frightening thing about the UAF is not that they are fascists but that they are fascists funded by unions of government workers & government funded fakecharities. These thogs are government thugs.

http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=6

Quietzapple said...

Re fascists and racism:

Qui s'excuse s'accuse . .

Should we have a count up?

Tom Watson has had a pop at one of his right wing obsessives:

"I did not say that no Labour politician has ever referred to anyone else as racist. We tend to call racists racist if they are, in fact, racist.

"But what Jay said was that the Labour Party always or regularly call anyone who expresses a concern about immigration racist.

"Since this is not the case, I don’t think you should be trying to help her out by feeding your own obsessive compulsive hatred for Labour by regurgitating all your carefully honed greivances and paranoias."

http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2009/10/22/protesting-too-much/#comments

Quant Suff.

Ian-Holt BNP said...

Try this for Fascism http://www.uniteagainstfascism.org.uk