Saturday, March 08, 2008
Is it Coz He is Black, Perhaps?
So, according to The Independent, the BNP are going to target Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones, the Conservative candidate for Chippenham. It wouldn't perhaps be because of the colour of his skin, would it? Perish the thought. If ever we needed proof that the BNP leadership is racist, then this is it.
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"If ever we needed proof that the BNP leadership is racist..."
I think it's safe to say that we didn't.
Why are you advertising 'straighteners' on your site ? Is there something you want to share with the team ?
There's a depressingly large amount of BNP support in the area - a while ago the racist idiots made the headlines because they were organising vigilante patrols in Corsham because the local police were unable to keep order.
Corsham is a small market town with some nice Georgian architecture - it's not Fort Apache: The Bronx.
Of course, you fool, we need no further proof that the BNP are racist.
Remember John Taylor, Cheltenham, 1992. It was some local Tories who did the BNP's dirty work and let the Fruit Party in. At least John Major made some amends by nominating Lord Taylor of Warwick for the Lords in 1996.
Maybe he should do a Libdem, aka Simon Hughes, and tell everyone how unblack he is, and then we find out in a few years he his mixed race...
I would vote for him He produces excellent sausages.
The Tory candidate says it's because he's black, the BNP candidate says it's because it's the constituency he lives in.
Sorry Iain, I can't stand the BNP either but this is the non-story of the week. What wonderful publicity Mr Emmanuel-Jones has got out of this.
gallimaufry please tell me just what benefit the Lords have had, and therefore we the population by making that second class politician John taylor a Lord?
I am afraid he has been a 'Major' disapointment
As a hardcore Conservative activist I met Wilfred the other day.
He's a really good candidate (albeit slightly more right wing than me).
He'll make mincemeat out of the BNP. Which will be good because it's his speciality.
On race , I just watched the programme about Enoch Powell. Its a salutary though that in 1968 when he made his R of B speech , immigration was at about 50,000. Its about 400,000 now and just the ones they count .Powell feared that politics would be reduced to the tribalism of India and Pakistan’s birth (500,000 killed) .Looking at the way Livingstone has approached gathering support in London you can see how far this has gone and the sort of political life it engenders . The end of the disastrous multi cultural experiment cannot come too quickly.
I noticed though that when he was interviewed by Frost Powell made it clear he was referring to ethnicity not race per se, believing that all races were equally capable of civilisation or anything else. This was not the tone of the R of B speech however. Looking from Heath to Powell its hard to say which was worse but I have more sympathy for Powell perhaps but only because Heath was quite such a invertebrate power feeder
The BNP have no squabble with the Conservatives there is almost no cross over of votes . The BNP are however the second choice of 35% of the labour vote (ICM) and their incursion may be crucial in a way that UKIPs cannot be . UKIP only split the same vote . The BNP and the Conservative Party are , then , allies in that my enemies enemy is my friend .
Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones is indeed an unfortunate man. There he was standing as the Tory candidate in an uncontested election & along comes this nasty man from the BNP to ruin his chances of getting 100% of the vote. Oh hang on, the BNP chap hasn't come from along from anywhere. He already lives there. It's Mr Emmanuel-Jones who lives way down in Devon & hasn't any connection with the constituency at all. And it isn't an uncontested seat. Labour & the LibDims are putting up candidates as well. Still it must be racism. The Independent says so.
Mr Emmanuel-Jones was an A-lister, which tells me he couldn't win the nomination on merit. Sorry. Nothing to do with race, ethnicity, old family ties, name ... he is the victim of David Cameron's policy of quotas, which are always wrong.
He's clearly an enterprising, imaginative and entrepreneurial spirit and someone who people might well have chosen through normal channels. But an A-lister parachuted in for the sake of socialist political correctness - soi disant - no thank you. Most Conservatives don't do political correctness.
I wish the local candidate, who knows the area, luck.
God knows, we do need more entrepreneurs with hard-won experience in the private sector and I hope Mr Emmanuel-Jones finds another seat on his own merit, which does not include the colour of his skin.
David Cameron makes me sick. Who the hell is he to boss local associations about? Why doesn't David Cameron get the hell out of people's faces?
I wish Mr Emmanuel-Jones great luck in his next contest because we need more like him in Parliament, but we don't need them nailed quixotically and inappropriately into place by disgusting A-lists.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the BNP candidate is standing in that area because it's his constituency and he lives there.
Iain, I think you betray two weaknesses when you do this sort of story. The first is that you are not a trained journalist (I know you do not claim to be) and arising out of that you do not dig deep enough.
The second is that you post this sort of thing as a kneejerk reaction, based on an even flimsier, condescending and mawkish story in the Independent, when there are far better articles, such as one in the New Statesman of 15th November, where EJ actually gets to say what he thinks.
The Indy story is clearly a product of the two writers' attempts to start something. They use one incomplete quote from Mr Emmanuel-Jones and one irrlevant quote about nutters in general. Nowhere in the story does the Tory Candidate's stand on this become clear. I would actually like to know what he thinks, rather than have him misrepresented or as in this case, not really represented at all. The story itself is a product of a hack's poor imagination. They even have to quote EJ as saying;"He insisted he had not picked up any "vibes" that race would be an issue".
Here are some facts.
Michael Simpkins is a local resident and has been for some time. He had a long and unblemished career in the RAF. He is also a local councillor, and whilst being elected unopposed, 700 hundred people gathered in Corsham to protest at his election (I wonder where they came from?) David Cameron himself criticised the local party for not fielding a Tory Candidate. Simpkins has a perfect right to stand as a candidate, much more so than Emmanuel-Jones, who has been parachuted in as an "A" lister from miles away.
Mr Emmanuel-Jones runs a farm enterprise under the title "The Black Farmer" (no race card there then) He left school with no qualifications, joined the army, where according to his wikipedia entry he was dismissed for disciplinary problems and inexplicably ended up working as a BBC producer.
He likes to portray himself these days as the very thing he affects to dislike; the country gentleman toff tory farmer. What he has to do with ethnic minorities remains to be seen.
By the way. If black voters were truly represented in this country, it is unlikely that the civil partnerships bill would have been passed, because according to David Matthews:-
"The diaspora is still culturally conservative. Attitudes toward child discipline, abortion and homosexuality are deeply reactionary. A few years ago, a poll showed 96 per cent of Jamaicans were opposed to legalising homosexuality."
Are you seriously suggesting that you want to represent the interests of people with that view and that you think Emmanuel-Jones is the one to do it, or are you just blindly having a go at the BNP because that is what everyone does?
So the BNP is standing an alternative candidate to the Tory. I suppose the Labour and Lib Dem parties are giving him a free ride just to show how unracist they are? Standing in an election is every citizen's right. Ian Dale should remember that this country is supposed to be a democracy not a tri-partite dictatorship.
Well, having lived in the constituency, i would vote for Wilf! I see the Libbies see Chippenham as a potential gain due to the hoo-ha over neighbouring MP James Gray. Let's face facts, if Wilf DOES lose Chippenham, it will have f'k all to do with the BNP, and more-so the 'Cheltenham factor' which some odious LDems played the 'race' card as/more effectively as the BNP. I agree with the above contributor about the 'no comment' on the good Enoch Powell programme on BBC2 last night. He was absolutely RIGHT (and about Heath being sh*te); and no amount of carping/bitching from the so-called 'liberals', and assorted bunch of lefty loonies can change that fact.
Heavens, PJ, Wilfred gets a seat in Wiltshire, all of a huge, massive 3 counties away from Devon - well, he's obviously an unacceptable foreigner, isn't he?
I've had the pleasure of meeting Wilfred and having a long talk with him - he's a fantastically grounded, intelligent and sensible human being, and oh, how I look forward to him being part of the Conservative team after the next election.
And naturally, a racist can have no good policies. That's logical, isn't it? - BHM
Oh Iain. You're so 1970s.
wrinkled weasel wrote ... Mr Emmanuel-Jones runs a farm enterprise under the title "The Black Farmer" ... How about a "White Farmer" brand? I presume that that would be branded racist. Or "The Ruddy Faced Farmer", no good, same again. How about "The Ruddy White farmer" - will the Thought Police object to this? I doubt it.
Regarding the BBC Powell program, in 1977 he made a speech at Stretford forecasting our current fate in measured scholarly tones and hence it has been conveniently forgotten. Luckily The Guardian Newspaper conveneiently has an on-line copy which begins:
... Throughout the last twenty years, locally at first, then nationally, one political subject has been different from all the rest in the persistence with which it has endured and the profound and absorbing preoccupation which it has increasingly held for the public. This is all the more remarkable because of the sedulous determination with which this subject has been kept, as far as possible, out of parliamentary debate, and the use which has been made of every device from legal penalty to trade union proscription to prevent the open discussion and ventilation of it. No social or political penalty, no threat of private ostracism or public violence, has been spared against those who have nevertheless continued to describe what hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens daily saw and experienced and to voice the fears for the future by which those fellow citizens were haunted. The efforts that were made during the 1930s to silence, ridicule, or denounce those who warned of the coming war with the fascist dictatorships and who called for the peril to be recognized and met before too late, provide but a pale and imperfect precedent.
In all this suppression more than one powerful motive can be seen at work. On the one hand there is the primitive but widespread superstition that if danger is not mentioned, it will go away, or even that it is created by being identified and can therefore be destroyed again by being left in silence. Akin to this is the natural resentment of ordinary people, but especially of politicians, at being forced to face an appalling prospect with no readily procurable happy ending. The custom of killing messengers who bring bad news is not confined to the kings and tyrants of antiquity or of fiction. On the other hand there are at work the dark motives of those who desire the catastrophic outcome which they foresee. All round the world in various forms the same formula for rending societies apart is being prepared and applied, by ignorance or design, and there are those who are determined to see to it that Britain shall no longer be able to escape. I marvel sometimes that people should be so innocently blind to this nihilism. ...
Wrinkled Weasel mentions the Wikipedia entry on Wilfred Emmanuel-Jones. If you read that entry you will see why Emmanuel-Jones would make an excellent MP.
Mr strapworld, this link should enlighten you:
http://www.lordtaylor.org/
OK Judith, you make compelling case for your pal Wilfred standing.
But can you make the case for Mr Simkins not standing? Which is the point.
There is no case, even if the BNP councillor was standing just because the Conswervative is black. It's no different to the Conswervative standing because the Liebour candidate is left wing or because the Illiberal Dumbasscrat is pro-EU.
If you believe in democracy then the correct reaction to this news is "bring it on we'll beat them by a mile".
No, I have no view on Mr Simkins because I don't know him, and I had nothing to do with the selection process for Wilfred.
I think you will find he called his commercial venture The Black Farmer because that's how he's known in Devon - and he doesn't take it as racist.
And Verity, on the subject of parachuting candidates into seats, you'll have to take my word that I know more about the process than you do, and my take on it is
IF ONLY WE COULD!
ps. I don't work at or for CCHQ.
Judith, I would certain concede that you know much more about selection than I do. I've never been involved in that process.
But your post has left me baffled, because what is the point of Cameron's A list if candidates can't be parachuted in, in that case?
I found the program contemptible.
In my opinion there has not been a significant change of course by the Ruling Class with the BBC's “Get Whitey” season, rather a realisation that if the indigenous inhabitants of the UK are to be cured of their instinctive desire to preserve their Ethnic Genetic Interest then a modified Multiculti Medicine will be required.
The Powell program was reminiscent of a US TV show where there are a massively disproportionate number of non-whites in positions of authority and Mr White Guy is portrayed as ineffective/stupid bigoted etc. I would hazard a guess that the Ruling Class are simply releasing some chaff by giving lip service to downside of multiculturalism whilst further undermining the indigenous population. As one instance I cite the appearance of the Multiculti Extremist Parek in this program and his passing comment on Powell.
In 1977 Enoch Powell made a speech The Path To National Suicide forecasting our current fate which is well worth reading in full.
Ian Dale,
My post at March 09, 2008 8:32 PM was an erroneous duplication of an earlier post by me, please delete it.
I apologise for the inconvenience.
Bert Rustle
Sorry Iain, your arguments here do not do yourself and the topic any justice.
The BNP is a legal party, and for them to field a local candidate is certainly not racism.
And if the locals won't vote for the Tory, will they be denounced as racist too?
Btw, what the Tories are doing with the A-list is not only a corruption of democracy, but also racist because it does not allow the candidate to stand on his own merits and the tragedy of affirmative action is that it taints the candidates as incompetent tokens, instead of people who win because they merit it.
I'd love to see people take the BNP down, but the way you're going about it won't work and actually gets people like me to sympathise with the BNP, not because we like them, but because what you're doing is undemocratic and dishonest :(
@ bert rustle:-
Interesting Powell speech, which at one point (albeit given in 1977!) describes the BBC of 2008 to a T:-
...acts of violence, however apparently irrational or inappropriate their targets, precipitate a frenzied search on the part of the society attacked to discover and remedy more and more grievances, real or imaginary, among those from whom the violence is supposed to emanate or on whose behalf it is supposed to be exercised.
Cinnamon - I agree with every word. At one point, I recall that high achieving black people in the US - whether straight-A students or people who had entered the professions - became disillusioned with 'affirmative action' for the reasons you quote. Other people perceived them as achieving only because they had had favourable treatment and an easy ride. Needless to say, the black people who had succeeded on their own merit and their own willpower and drive, felt cheated by this perception.
The A-list is an abomination and has no place in a democracy. It's another of Cameron's foul misreading of the British middle class. And it is indeed the right of the BNP to field a candidate, no matter who the Conservatives put up.
From what I've read, Emmanuel-Jones is an achiever who doesn't need to be on any patronising 'A-List' to get a chance to stand. What a shame that David Cameron diminished democracy to show what a jolly inclusive chap he is!
He's so inclusive that he ordered a standing ovation for the most wicked prime minister in British history.
This man just doesn't get it. A dangerous lack in a leader.
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