PS Just because I am shortlist for the Conservative Blogger of the Year at the ConHome Blog Awards tonight is no reason for me to link to Tim's article. No Sirree. I link to it because of its veritable quality. Expect to see further
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Wednesday, May 23, 2007
Cameron Needs to Look to the Right
Tim Montgomerie has an article in the Telegraph this morning saying that David Cameron should make more effort to shore up his votes on the Right. He says David Davis and Liam Fox are crucial in helping him do that.
PS Just because I am shortlist for the Conservative Blogger of the Year at the ConHome Blog Awards tonight is no reason for me to link to Tim's article. No Sirree. I link to it because of its veritable quality. Expect to see furthercreeping links from my fellow nominees Dizzy Thinks and Burning our Money during the course of the day.
PS Just because I am shortlist for the Conservative Blogger of the Year at the ConHome Blog Awards tonight is no reason for me to link to Tim's article. No Sirree. I link to it because of its veritable quality. Expect to see further
Our dave ,Iam the leader you will follow,hey where's everybody gone.
ReplyDeleteLook, David Cameron is hardly going to get 'loyality' from Liam Fox! David Davis needs to be kept on a short leash.
ReplyDeleteWhy should Cameron pander to the right wing element of his party if they behave like dozy dinosaurs? They are the reason that the Tory Party have been out of power for over a decade.
Cameron should continue to forge ahead - doing it his way. The life of a pioneer is not an easy one. Good luck to him! DC is a good egg.
For Cameron to look to the right he first needs to un-wedge his head from out of his own pimply behind.
ReplyDeleteLiam Fox? You mean that monkey who makes Des Browne look good? Best of luck with that!
ReplyDeleteBlog Rollers of the World unite !!!
ReplyDeleteCongratulations on the award nomination, Iain. My mum's just nominated me as one of her favourite kids so I know how you must be feeling.
ReplyDeleteTim Montgomerie `s article had all the faults in it that you expect from Blog professionals . It is obsessed with every eddy and perturbation in the tiny group of Conservative activists and unconcerned with the country , the principle and the policies involved. I think that this come about because Blogs seeking the approval of the media are bound to be scavengers focussing on the tittle tittle and leavings after the Lions have finished with the issues . Paradoxically the need for approval is such that they are even more conformist than their Paper competitors , a bit like independent films The problem with passing on opinion about opinion formers ad infinitum is that it tends to float free from moral and economic problems and concern itself with a soap opera in which the servatnts live out their lives through the great as if we were mentally craven servants in Gosforth Park. In this case it is a dead subject except for the octogenarian “ Go back to Suez” Fraternity.
ReplyDeleteWho is going to stand up and say “ Bring back Secondary Moderns “ Noone . End of subject. Accepting this fact why can Conservatives , Like Tim Montgomerie get to grips with the real problems of the Cameron and Willets educational stance ?
My problem with the Willets initiative is that it fairly states the problem but does not supply the answer. We are suffering from catastrophic social divergence particularly in the Cities , and Comprehensive schooling suffers from all the faults he claim Grammar schools would not cure . They have become selection by wealth and Labour`s determination to maintain a serf underclass in situ has exasipated the problem. We need schools to undertake remedial social engineering at eleven by which time there is no hope of a fair allocation and this will begin to attack the downward spiral problem of so called "sink schools". The fact that under performing teachers will be more readily unidentified is a very welcome additional benefit . The Lottery system being tested in Brighton is a genuinely exciting initiative that understand s and seeks to address the problems , if only the Conservtive Party would follolw the logic of their own pronouncements and consider it
Within a homogenous context setting should be rigorously introduced and teachers and schools given a free-er hand. Those systems that work will be identifiable and best practice shared. As I mentioned punitive taxes on private education would assist greatly and the Labour Party ( unfortunately form my point of view) is moving in this direction.
It is really clear thinking and I fear the Conservatives will lose out badly here . Willets has explained why the sacred cow cannot be sacred but not supplied any thinking as to how the problems we all see can be solved.
Montgomerie`s article was just so unforgivably safe and at the risk of being” Gratuitously insulting” ,..a statement of the bleedin’ obvious
Liam Fox, indeed? Has Montgomerie been in the sun too long? What a blowhard.
ReplyDeletePoor Tim. He knows he'll be a pathetic figure if Cameron ever becomes PM - carping impotently from the sidelines. He's trying to get himself listened to before it's too late.
Liam Fox. Oh, dear. It's all too, too much!
Conservative Blogger of the Year at the ConHome Blog Awards
ReplyDeleteI though incest was illegal.
Mongomerie is a muppet, I'm surprised The Telegraph are letting him waste their ink.
ReplyDelete'My guess is that the balance of power within the Conservative Party has shifted in the past few days. David Cameron may not love the Tory grassroots, but he knows that electorates hate divided parties.'
ReplyDeleteDoes this man speak in anything other than cliches?
Montgomerie in summary: get up the arse of the right-wing press and stay there.
ReplyDeleteWe've just had ten years of that. Please tell me there are better ideas out there.
These comments are starting to look like My Lai, sorry, Katyn.
ReplyDeleteLot of Cameron sock puppets out this morning.
ReplyDeleteMontgomerie's an idiot. 'Ride the tiger' is basically what he's saying. Cow-tow to the press, in other words. The political landscape is littered with the careers of politicians who've done the same. History really isn't his strong point is it? If Cameron starts listening to him, we're finished.
ReplyDeleteLots of Anonymorons out today. Tim must be onto something to get you all busy...
ReplyDeleteIf we start listening to Cameron, we can finish all thoughts or power.
ReplyDeleteTim Montgomerie would do better if he didn't habitually make up stories.
ReplyDeleteWhat Tories like best of all is Labour being hammered, humiliated and ridiculed. So get on with it Dave and stop bothering about what Tories right, left or centre are wittering on about.
ReplyDeleteThat's just what we need - listening to an embittered internet geek.
ReplyDeleteWhat's Mongomerie's motto? Four More Years (in oppostion)?
Montgomerie should stick his self-indulgence and get on board. Or does his ego want to be the focus of party discontent? He'll be the Tory Derek Hatton at this rate.
ReplyDeleteWho's Tim Mongomerie?
ReplyDeleteI thought it was all going to plan - reduce politics to administration + press releases. Blair pushed the left out, Cameron pushes the right out, and we've got that nice soggy little mess in the middle taking turns in office. Naive, maybe, but I always saw politics as real life writ large, with passion.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the posts so far it seems that Dave's Bullingdon boys at CCHQ are in a bit of a tiz.
ReplyDeleteNice one TM!
Tim's right. Cameron's a cuckoo. Get rid.
ReplyDeletecanvas said:
ReplyDeleteDavid Davis needs to be kept on a short leash...Cameron should continue to forge ahead - doing it his way. The life of a pioneer is not an easy one. Good luck to him! DC is a good egg.
Exactly the comment I expected from you, 'wee bit of a socialist' canvas, who one day wants Davis sacked yet, next day, retreats to the claim that he 'merely' needs to be knobbled, who one day avidly supports Cameron, next day, avidly supports Miliband.
Your views here are a rerun of the many utopian, unsustainable and extremely divisive policies that, on webcameron, you constantly clamour for DC to pursue. Why do you want DC to split his party?
Why would a Cameron supporting, wee bit of a socialist - who states they might vote for either Miliband or DC - want to paralyse the ONLY opposition to nulab, the Conservative party, by splitting them right down the middle in electorally suicidal internal strife?
Canvas also seems to little sir echo the highly divisive views reported to be expressed by DC's spin doctor in chief - who is reported to have declared himself a supporter of the Greens.
Why does canvas constantly hedge her/his bets like this?
Why do you behave like someone who supports DC, canvas, only while hoping for a job with Miliband?
Auntie Flo'
Cameron on one side, Montgomerie and his ilk on the other. UKIP through the middle. Another four years of Brown. Well done, Tim.
ReplyDeleteWell done, Iain. Nice little cat fight you've started here. No doubt Labour central office are watching closely.
ReplyDeleteAuntie Flo - I won't participate in a flaming war with you. Why do you try to bully me all the time? because you might disagree with me? What's the point of being so aggressive and hostile?
ReplyDeleteCameron isn't trying to split his party. The Conservative Party has been held back by the right wing dinosaurs for years now. DC is determined to modernise his party - and I wish him well.
Why are you so hung on Miliband? My personal view on David Miliband is that he is a good politician. I wanted him to stand against Gordon Brown - but he didn't. That's a shame.
It would have been a very interesting general election with Cameron against Miliband. Now we are stuck with Gordon Brown - and that's really not a good thing! If David Miliband had found the inner strength to challenge Gordon Brown I think he probably could have won the leadership contest.
Flo, Why don't you write about YOUR views instead of trying to mock me for my views?
There is nothing wrong with admiring politicians from different parties.
I could live with either Cameron or Miliband as the next Prime Minister. What I can't cope with is Gordon Brown as PM.
Is that an unreasonable view? I don't think so.
I think Canvas has a point about the need to keep Davis on a short leash. His comments on PM yesterday sounded like someone positioning themselves for a new leadership contest.
ReplyDeleteAs others have already commented, the debate about Grammar schools is old news. What was interesting were the hints that the Tories might propose a voucher system (see DC's piece in the Times where he talks about funding following the pupil).
CANVASS-If David Miliband had found the inner strength to challenge Gordon Brown I think he probably could have won the leadership contest.
ReplyDeleteCanvass, I mean this kindly but Milliband had no hope , nor did any Blairite . You have not understood what the Labour Party is which, you have this in common with most from the centre who were persuaded this was a “New “ Labour Party. You also seriously misunderstand both of these politicians. Look at Milllibands recent" Vision “for the future as published in the New Statesman and compare it with almost anything Cameron actually says.
Cameron is nothing like as wet as he is obliged to appear( as TM points out) Milliband is just an apologists for socialism and a statist by instinct. In the days when one was allowed to be insulting on this bog I might have been tempted to say more but he is , shall we say ,a conveniently formless politician.
"There is nothing wrong with admiring politicians from different Parties " you say. Indeed not one might admire their dress sense or the youthful lustre of their skin tone but tricky to admire their politics . Now some would say that was the only part if them that matters but I , in the new spirit of civility and gentility allow that your estimation may be just as valid. They both look quite nice.
Mr. Pangolin:(see DC's piece in the Times where he talks about funding following the pupil).
ReplyDeleteThat is interesting I took the Willets statement to be the proto Conservative Policy but is it actually still a work in progress ? Vouchers would not work in this country ( I gather they do in Sweden and Chile ? Go figure) and they are also very old news. Did you know that the idea was first proposed by Milton Freidman as early as 1955
Newmania,
ReplyDeleteI don't know what the final policy will be but it does look as though they are hinting at it. Whether this is just to test the waters or not I don't know. Wat Tyler has commented on this here. The allusions to Sweden and Chile have been made on more than one occasion without vouchers actually being mentioned. What other inference are we meant to draw?
Dave needs to look behind him, Iain.
ReplyDeleteSome of you like grammar schools.
Dave's one of us now and not one of you.
We need to protect him, so he needs to look over his shoulder at all times.
Montgomerie's right. Cameron needs to wake up and smell the electoral morning coffee.
ReplyDeleteIt was largely disenchanted, centre right Liberals like me, not angry socialists or former nulab supporters who switched their votes to the Conservatives during the local elections.
We're old fashioned Liberals at heart, anti-war, anti- EU, freedom loving, individualists who care about humanity in general and our country in particular. We believe in aspiration tempered by rational and fair social policies. We are manifestly not Lib Dems, yet have supported the Lib Dems for years because we deluded ourselves that they were middle of the road moderates and because the divisiveness of the opposition offended our moderate, one nation, Liberal consciences.
The Lib Dems alienated us old style Liberals by moving to the left, by getting into bed with nulab and by betraying community politics and their democratic ideals. So, Cameron, a moderate, centre right, liberal Conservative was a breath of fresh air.
Every time Cameron lurches to the left, becomes authoritarian, arrogant, disloyal to his party, betrays community politics, is anti-English and utopian he is dangerously evocative of Blair and nulab. And every time he does that an irretrievable layer of support chips off of his supporters. It's such a dangerous game he's playing, if Cameron continues with it he will lose not just the votes of many long term Conservatives, he'll lose many of his new found Liberal supporters too.
Auntie Flo'
What other inference are we meant to draw?
ReplyDeleteNone I know of . The problem with vouchers here is that being a small class ridden country with tight planning its very difficult for gaps to be filled by a " market quickly ". If funds follow the pupil then some schools will not only be unpopular but starved of funding . Nonetheless for periods of years pupils will have no choice but to attend them. There is also the NUT to consider who will not allow negotiations below national level.
You will still be left with most pupils being divided among " failing " schools". This is what the Lottery system tried to solve. I have to say the voucher idea has been " Floated" periodically for years . I wonder if this is just a sop to the "offended " right.
I thought " Charter Schools " was the new shiny idea.
Tim Montgomerie uses voodoo polls to claim he knows what the grass roots think. And his friend Heffer at the Trailingraph stops anyone posting a contradictory view of his pompous article this morning.
ReplyDeleteAs Heffer supports UKIP do we expect Montgomerie to defect soon and take power through that dead end mob?
Anonymous responding to Canvas - of course we don't want the Conservative Party split down the middle, we want it to be united. But that means the members following Cameron, not Cameron following the members - their reactionary Maggie-worshipping drivel was followed slavishly by Hague, Duncan Smith and Howard, and look where that got us.
ReplyDeletecanvas said...
ReplyDeleteAuntie Flo - I won't participate in a flaming war with you. Why do you try to bully me all the time? because you might disagree with me? What's the point of being so aggressive and hostile?
canvas, first you attempt to smear me as "a creepy Tory" then you complain that I'M a bully. I have quoted from your own statements, have pointed out the numerous inconsistencies of these and noted that you appear to be hedging your political bets, no more than that.
I am not surprised that you dislike attention being drawn to these contradictory statements, but don't waste your breath trying to smear me as a bully.
Auntie Flo'
NM, you are right about the aim of the Nulab to keep their underclass, but support for a lottery? That is another home for corruption to nest. Further, it removes all control from the individual and demotes them to inert clay.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I am missing soemthing - how does a lottery work to improve the quality of schools? How can one aim to get into the best school possible without creating a mess when you need to apply to multiple schools?
To me the ideal is to enable individual schools to select their own selection criteria free from LEA interference and bullying - grouping together in some form of collective lottery if they want to, or to just be selective on ability, geography or whathaveyou.
The Cons. need a man to lead them not a boy scout.
ReplyDeleteIf Dave can do this he's capable of anything.
What next............stay in EPP?
Since Dave favours gaining non Cons support wouldn't Cons. members be better off cutting up their membership cards in order to gain real influence?
ReplyDeletenot Cameron following the members - their reactionary Maggie-worshipping drivel was followed slavishly by Hague, Duncan Smith and Howard, and look where that got us.
ReplyDeleteMargaret its a bit of both surely. Maggie worshipping drivel , as you put it refers to set of views that Cameron would support and Blair paid great respect. You are setting up an opposition that does not exist and then you are on the wrong side of it. No Conservative should ever abandon Margaret Thatcher and David Cameron has been at pains to say he is not going to.
My own impression is that the differences between Conservative Pary members and very many Liberals who still value "Liberty" are much close than the Media would prefer. Conservatives broadly agree is not a good headline but it fits my experience.
Nemania,
ReplyDeleteI thought Iain Dale's comments about David Miliband were interesting.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/iain_dale/2007/03/why_miliband_should_run.html
Anyway, Miliband didn't challenge Gordon Brown - so we'll never know! We are stuck with Brown and that is very depressing.
If the Right Wing Conservatives don't realise that they need to change with the times - and leave the past behind - then they will have to put up with another 10 years of Gordon Brown. And they will only have themselves to blame!
True blue said...
ReplyDeleteTim's right. Cameron's a cuckoo. Get rid
No he's not anything like a cuckoo, True Blue, he's at heart a good man and an can be an inspired leader - he just needs to learn to ignore the spin doctors who want Civil War among his supporters.
Auntie Flo'
sorry - here is the link
ReplyDeletehttp://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/iain_dale/2007/03/why_miliband_should_run.html
canvas said:
ReplyDeleteIf the Right Wing Conservatives don't realise that they need to change with the times - and leave the past behind - then they will have to put up with another 10 years of Gordon Brown. And they will only have themselves to blame!
What policies do you believe the Conservatives should adopt in order to change with the times, canvas? You're a Polly Toynbee fan aren't you, so would you like to see her views adopted by the Conservatives?
Auntie Flo'
Auntie Flo:
ReplyDeleteThe Tories don't like war? The Tories love a good war and well you know it. You'll even fabricate one if there isn't one there to wage at (falklands).
Fairness based upon social policies? What, you mean grammar schools and skipping 11 year olds via the 11+. The only aspirations you gave were those of jumping the hell holes you call secondary moderns, and getting on the dole as fast as you can.
You want war and you want class division and privelege.
Well you can't have it because Dave says so.
Dave doesn't really want this and we know you don't want it either, but while this circus continues, most of the rest of us are enjoying you lot knifing each other.
Gary
newmanai said:
ReplyDeleteMy own impression is that the differences between Conservative Pary members and very many Liberals who still value "Liberty" are much close than the Media would prefer. Conservatives broadly agree is not a good headline but it fits my experience.
You are bang on the money there, newmania!
Auntie Flo'
Auntie Flo,
ReplyDeleteYou can smear yourself in Marmite for all I care. :) LOL
But, if you want to have a serious debate about something - then please stop using SELECTIVE 'cut and paste' jobs and repeating comments out of context.
You don't appear to express your views and opinions on much. You are resorting to bullying to get 'your point' across - but - what is 'the point'??
Why not just say that you disagree with something I've said - and then explain why? What's with the nasty personal attacks? Do I make you feel insecure? That is not my intention.
So, why not talk about "Cameron Needs to Look to the Right" - not write silly comments like you think I'm Steve Hilton. If you think I'm Steve Hilton then you really are a deludazoid. I'm a woman! :)
You want war and you want class division and privelege.
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of God's Bodykins.
Don't tell me what I do and do not believe, Mr Elersby. I'm a Stop The War Protestor and have made myself hated by my own, PRO-WAR, NULAB MP for this. I believe in rewarding hard work and talent, and fair treatment for those who are elderly, sick or who, for whatever reason, genuinely cannot support themselves.
Auntie Flo'
canvas said:
ReplyDeleteFlo...if you want to have a serious debate about something - then please stop using SELECTIVE 'cut and paste' jobs and repeating comments out of context.
My quotes are not selective, I have given cheackable references, canvas. If you claim my quotes are distortions - i.e. that you did not state that you support Cameron and might vote for him, and also support Miliband and might vote for him too - prove it!
Auntie Flo'
Auntie Flo asks: "What policies do you believe the Conservatives should adopt in order to change with the times, canvas?"
ReplyDeleteFor a start, Flo, if the Conservative Party is to be successful then they must say goodbye to all forms of xenophobia, racism, homophobia, europhobia and greediness.
I like the fact that DC wants to promote social justice, fight against inequality and poverty, help our environment, make the NHS his top priority...
Only a bonehead would say that he should adopt all of Polly Toynbee's 'policies'. What I like about Cameron is that he is willing to listen to different points of view and learn from them. Cameron is open minded - unlike the Tory Old Guard who are so obviously stuck in the past.
Flo - How can anyone 'vote for Miliband' if he is not running?! God, it's like banging my head against a brick wall LoL :)
ReplyDeleteThe point is - IF Miliband stood against Brown and won the leadership contest (which he didn't do) then it would have been an interesting general election with both Cameron and Miliband in the running. Hypothetically speaking, it would be a difficult choice for me - because I like them both. But it ain't gonna happen - it's Gordon Brown.
I don't know who I will vote for in the next general election - and why must I declare my intentions to you anyway? I'm still pretty much undecided. I can like and admire more than one politician at a time. Why is that idea so hard to grasp??
Do you get it?? Sheesh. :)
Roger whatever system you have, you would agree that most cannot go to the school of their choice.One is bound to be better ,and preferred by all. Perhaps you would also agree that this tends to be in the best catchments area ,and that selection ends up being along class and wealth lines. This is the argument for grammar schools which provide , supposedly , a super charged education allowing social mobility for the underprivileged .
ReplyDeleteThe argument against them as made by Two Brains is that the experience of children from different backgrounds is now so different that eleven is far to late and you will end up with the same class elitism which does not fit economic need and is also unfair . I agree with him but he supplies no solution.
The independent sector has doubled in size over the last ten years and entrance to Oxbridge ,and opportunity of all kinds ,is becoming dangerously stratified. Class division is a problem and it is famously worse now than in 1958
Independent schools and various means by which wealth guarantees social preferment are like a form of Monopoly practice . Well funded and supported children are sorted from others who reinforce a despair culture , escaping these “sink schools “ Is a matter for desperate necessity for the Lower Middle Classes .( Often this will involve leaving the Cities altogether as I am in so called ‘white flight’)
(Oddly there is little evidence that allowing for social mix Grammar schools perform especially well )
If most in Society have no access to the opportunities in it then you cannot expect them to support it . they will simply vote other peoples money into their hands but it will be then not earned but given with all the moral and social disasters that has entailed. Furthermore if people have a fair chance then as Conservative you have amoral case for a limited state safety net and insisting in self reliance , a great advantage. Lastly with a homogenous intake the performance of teacher can be fairly judged and badly need accountability introduced for them.
I suggest that just as we ask the government to monitor markets fro monopolistic rigging we have to ask them to ensure free entry to the meritocratic society upon which small state politics is based.
CANVASS Still can’t get your link but I am afraid throwing the wise words of Mr, Dale at me is unlikely to move me. He currently resides in my bad books .I am sulking about being denied access to ” Gratuitous Insults” so called , which he has outlawed despite his own combatative posts and Libertarian principles. This renders the subject of Millipede almost entirely closed to me
Put simply dave wants broad brush policies so that he can do what HE wants,when HE wants.
ReplyDeletePS-canvas seems to be suffering from a very bad case of PMT.
canvas said,
ReplyDeleteYou don't appear to express your views and opinions on much. You are resorting to bullying to get 'your point' across - but - what is 'the point'??
Bullying is your practice, canvas, not mine. You made an ad hominem attack (going for me,not my views) on me in attempting to stigmatise me as, in your words, "a creepy Tory". But you failed miserably. And you will fail to smear me again and again, so you are wasting your breath.
I've seen you drive people off of webcameron more than once by wickedly and unfairly stigmatising them as 'creeps' or 'creepy'. Shall I find you the references?
Having miserably failed to stigmatise me as 'creepy', you're now trying to smear me as a bully. But you are wasting your breath, canvas, I'm too strong to be intimidated and driven off of websites by you.
As for my views and opinions, these are all over Iain's site, open your eyes.
Auntie Flo'
Canvass!
ReplyDeleteWhen 35% of the Labour Party`s vote say their second choice is the BNP why is this a Conservative problem especially ?In 1997 a study for the Institute for Public Policy Research showed that32% of Hindu’s , Muslims and Sikhs and 29% of Jews would be repelled if a member of their family married an Afro-Caribbean , whereas only 13% of white Britons said they would have a problem.(From How the Liberals Lost their Way by Nick Cohen …..a lefty but its a pretty good book). No-one is condemning these” Communities” why is this a white problem particularly ?
Europhobia is an ridiculous word , no-one is phobic about Europe .People rightly wonder why Pole , in Poland , has as much say in the running of our country as we do. Xenophobia ? There is no support for further outright betrayal of the country , there is cross party agreement that immigration and multiculturalism has been a disaster at a recognition that bourgeois Liberal ( soi disant) contempt for national and cultural loyalties has been damaging .Your inclusion of “Greediness “ contains so many assumptions with which I do not agree that I haven1t got the time.
These words raise numerous issues I would cast in an entirely different way but if you think the Liberal establishment view is the one that prevails and cannot be gainsaid you have not been watching .
Au Contraire.
IAIN WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET ‘INSULTS’ BACK..I am finding this constraint somewhat irksome old love
canvas said:
ReplyDeletewhy must I declare my intentions to you anyway? I'm still pretty much undecided. I can like and admire more than one politician at a time. Why is that idea so hard to grasp??
Do you get it?? Sheesh. :)
Yeah, I get it, canvas.
But it's too late to be coy, since you've declared how torn you would be between Cameron and Miliband, Conservatives and nulab, all over the internet :)
Auntie Flo'
Flo, I'm not sure why you have this weird grudge against me - but you are, I think, behaving like an insecure bully. And a very nasty one at that.
ReplyDeleteLet's just agree to disagree. I won't be responding to your ugly comments and sniping anymore.
canvas said...
ReplyDeleteFlo, I'm not sure why you have this weird grudge against me - but you are, I think, behaving like an insecure bully. And a very nasty one at that.
Let's just agree to disagree. I won't be responding to your ugly comments and sniping anymore.
canvas, what a lovely, transparent offer to call it a day and to agree to disagree, with no nasty, ugly or attempted intimidatory undercurrents ;)
I'm pleased to agree to disagree with you.
As long as you refrain from your ugly and nasty ad hominem attacks on me and attempts to smear me as "a creepy Tory", an "insecure bully", a maker of "ugly comments", someone with a "weird grudge" against you I will not address you directly here again.
But if you call me creepy etc one more time, I'll have your guts for garters, canvas dear :)
Auntie Flo'
"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either - but right through every human heart." (Solzhenitsyn)
ReplyDeleteHe was of course quite wrong. It does run between poltical Parties
newmania: Don't misquote me...
ReplyDeletenewmanai said:
ReplyDeleteIAIN WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET ‘INSULTS’ BACK..I am finding this constraint somewhat irksome old love
Good point, newmania, in a very good post - as usual. I agree with you, it's a terrible deprivation not to be able to insult nulabbers :)
Auntie Flo'
Cameron has been dazzled by the proposition put about by left-wing motivated environmentalists that our climate if doing something unusual. Until he gets cured of this selective reading of the science then it is hard to support him.
ReplyDeleteBefore a torrent of Global-Warming believers washes over this posting just consider who was round in the last millenium to see what was happening in the Antarctic and the Arctic during the last warm period (An antidote to all the BBC News pics of a 10 mile long ice island)? Yet this 'evidence' is being cited as showing that we 'know' that something worrying is afoot that has never happened before.
Montgomerie is a slimy creep who has never forgiven Cameron for beating his pin-up Liam Fox in the ladership election.
ReplyDeleteI stopped reading ConHome long ago. Montgomerie trawls the newspapers and prints all articles critical of Cameron. He ignores complimentary articles.
His attitude has built a solid readership of right-wing Tories. The posts reflect the editor's views and you have the unlovely spectacle of two dozen blinkered and blazered berks jerking each other off.
@purplepangolin 12:55
ReplyDeleteThe conservative MP on PM was David Davies, not David Davis, and in any event he supported Mr Cameron's position on grammar schools.