Sunder: So are you sure you know which way your leadership will jump on this?Now Sunder, being a man of the left (and a decent one at that), is trying to stir up a storm over something which won't even come into effect until 2011. So if the Tories win the 2010 election it won't have even come onto the Statute Book, I assume. Therefore, they wouldn't even have to reverse it.
Iain: Yes I am sure. And you sound as if you would have liked the figure to have been 55P ... or perhaps higher?! :).
When I said "Yes I am sure" I could have meant one of two things. Sunder obviously thinks I meant that they would oppose the measure hook line and sinker. Alternatively I could have meant that I am sure they won't jump into the bear trap laid for them by Gordon Brown. The beauty is that I could have meant both and been quite consistent.
This measure was nothing to do with economics, it was all to do with politics - class politics. So it's quite right that the response is political too. And the response has been perfect. "Reversing this would not be a priority" is what has been said by Tory spokesmen. Which says everything and at the same time, says nothing. Why should it? Because at the moment, there is nothing to reverse.
It is a profoundly unConservative thing to approve of class based tax increases. No Conservative I know of would do such a thing. There may well have to be tax increases in the future - Gordon Brown's economic chaos has almost made that a racing certainty. None of us know what the situation will be like in 2011, so why the Conservatives should have to give any response to the 45p rate at all is beyond me.
Sunder does his best to cause foment in Tory ranks...
If you believed – as I believe most Conservatives do – that this was the wrong policy, you should say so. If you believe there are strong moral, economic and political arguments against higher taxation on top earners, then you would make that case. After all, your luck would really, really be in if your political opponents had declared the death of New Labour, vacated the centre-ground of British politics, abandoned Middle England and all the rest of the things you have all been saying over the last 48 hours. Where’s the trap in that? It sounds like more of an open goal.
Keep stirring mate. Of course there are very strong arguments against higher taxes for anybody, let along higher earners, and Sunder knows exactly what they are so I needn't rehearse the arguments here. There are also great arguments against unfunded tax cuts. Perhaps Sunder, as an intelligent man, would like to rehearse those with us, but I am sure that won't fit his agenda at the moment.
Sunder and his left wing friends find any sort of tax cut anathema to their very being - unfunded or not. And that's where the clear blue water is really emerging. The British people can spot political phonies a mile off. They know that all this spending and borrowing cannot be reconciled with temporary tax cuts. They see a government maxing out its own credit card, yet exhorting others to be responsible in their own borrowing. They know that in the long term there will be a price to pay for Labour's recklessness with the public finances and they are not going to be bought off with a temporary cut in the rate of VAT.
These are several issues a general secretary of a left of centre think tank should be concerning himself with (Sunder is general secretary of the Fabian Society) but Tory tax policy is not one of them. Advising Brown on how to get himself out of this mess might be a better use of his time. Or then again...
"The British people can spot political phonies a mile off."
ReplyDeleteIf only they could. Not much sign of this in the past 11 years.
Presumably there will be another budget in March.
ReplyDeleteIf the mere proposal for 45p rise (60p effectively for some) has not created sufficient class hatred and voter swing for Labour then I am sure we can expect it to be announced for real by The Glove Puppet then.
But right now I want to go off topic- but it does have relevance in respect of the usual suspects who complain about the Tory message not getting across.
NOAA have issued a press release saying that 2008 set a record for hurricanes. This is meat and drink to global warmists.
Unfortunately its all hokum
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/26/atlantic-hurricane-season-sets-records/
See 'Watts up with that'
The reality we are witnessing record levels on inactivity
http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/
But which catchy headline will be fed to politicians? Which report will the BBC flog?
We live in remarkably dangerous times. Dangerously manipulative times.
"The British people can spot political phonies a mile off."
ReplyDeleteIf only they could. Not much sign of this in the past 11 years.
What s/he said.
We live in a classless society. So how, given that incomes vary, can an income-based tax be referred to as a class-based tax?
ReplyDeleteCan only members of a particular class earn over 150K in Britain?
Seems a bit unfair.
This seems a very cynical post, Iain.
ReplyDeleteYour blog has been awash with bullish statements on how Cameron/Osborne have got it right on their reading of the economy - but this post rejoices in splitting hairs and makes a virtue of saying nothing.
Isn't that what you accuse your oppenents of?
Isn't that what electors despise?
"It is a profoundly unConservative thing to approve of class based tax increases. No Conservative I know of would do such a thing."
ReplyDeleteIain, I'm not sure 45p tax is any more a class based tax increase than any form of progressive taxation. Nor am I sure it is unconservative. I've argued the following on my own blog.
"There is a yawning gap between someone who earns £35,000 and someone who earns £150,000, which I believe it is appropriate to recognise by means of progressive taxation. Of course there is an argument against discouraging high achievement and wealth creation, but it is right to strike a balance, and £150,000 a year is, in anyone’s estimation, an awful lot of money. If, intrinsic in the value system of Conservatism, is a strand of social responsibility, then surely it is socially responsible to demand a little more money from the very rich?
If I am reading the fraternal doctrines expounded by Conservatives such as Danny Kruger, and developed so elegantly on the blog Burke’s Corner, correctly, conservatism respects and acknowledges expertise, knowledge, excellence - in short it recognises the existence of elites. As a corollary of this recognition, and the rewards which flow from it, conservatism demands from those elites a greater assumption of responsibility, as regards society. By such conservative precepts, if my understanding is correct, the principle of 45p tax should be unproblematic."
"So if the Tories win the 2010 election it won't have even come onto the Statute Book, I assume."
ReplyDeleteNo, I reckon it will just remain to come into effect. It will probably be in this year's budget.