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Friday, April 20, 2007
While the Cats are Away...
Guido's down the pub and I'm at a wedding in North Norfolk. What a great day for the Police to hand over their files to the CPS. Oh well, back to the wedding breakfast... :(
Will the CPS (crony prevarication service) actually have the bollocks to prosecute anyone?
I very much doubt it.
They seem far less independent and than the honourable and public-spritied Yates, much more politicised and far less determined to face down criticism.
Wouldn't surprise me if over the next few weeks we hear; "after careful consideration of the file presented by Mr. Yates and his team, we have decided there is insufficient evidence to press charges against any individual."
The potentially explosive police file on the 'cash for honours' probe was today handed over to prosecutors.
The findings of the Met's Special Investigations Unit will now be handled by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Charges could be brought over the alleged sale of peerages to Labour-supporting businessmen.
...
As is usual in complex cases, the CPS has hired a leading barrister, in this case the Treasury counsel David Perry QC, to give an assessment of the evidence and whether charges should be brought...
... police believe action could come quickly as the CPS has been closely involved in the inquiry to date.
Anon @ 4:21. Well it is his blog so I suppose he's allowed to tell us what he's doing. Please provide the name of the person who forces you to come here.
Anonymous 4:21, I endorse the comment by Anonymous 4:27. If you will let us know who forces you to click on this address against your will, we will gang up to have a word with this individual.
Meanwhile, Iain is free to enjoy his own property as he pleases. Sometimes he even feels free to post a photo of little Gio for no reason.
That said, wedding breakfasts are wasted on Iain as he doesn't drink Champagne.
20th July 2007: CPS to Yates. "Unfortunately the papers you say you sent us on 20th April cannot be traced and the person who was dealing with this case is no longer with us. It is possible that the papers were passed to the Crime Support Unit, but again we have no record of this. If you still wish us to pursue the matter after this length of time you will need to send us a duplicate set of papers. But we should warn you that we are exceptionally busy at this time of year, as a number of staff members are on annual and/or maternity and/or paternity leave, so there will inevitable be some delay in taking the matter further."
First the mole leaving a crytic message on Mike Smithson's phone, a date for the big departure hinted at, Tony Blair launches big attack on Cameron and Iain at wedding while Guido is in the pub doing what he does best! If I was cynical I would say the only two that were not in the loop about this development were Guido and Iain, which begs the question "should Blair have been in loop and No10 allowed to stage managed the media today?
Guido's not in the pub, or not yet. He's in an altogether more expensive establishment. With someone else picking up the tab so not likely to leave soon.
anonymong Blair's... 'integrity is in tact, just as I have predicted many times on this blog'.
In your eyes maybe sunshine but not the rest of the world. Its amazing how bunker syndrome puts blinkers on those that should know better. Berlin '45, the Stalin years, Mao, and now downing street '07.
Blair has been exonerated time after time. Put simply, you can't argue with his politics so you resort to targetting the man - trouble is the accusations are always proved to be false.
"Guido's down the pub and I'm at a wedding in North Norfolk. What a great day for the Police to hand over their files to the CPS."
Sounds like a conspiracy to suppress bad news to me. I think we should be told.
What a complete load of utter rubbish . It would be nice to think that the internet was not full of self obsessed conspiracy theorists but again such a thought is proved completely wrong.
"Tone made me do it - he's a bad influence - especially now he's no longer going to be the boss"
Meanwhile Bing Crosby's "White Christmas" is being played on Downing Street accompanied by the hum of US choppers landing on the roof. The strangely familiar smell of snake oil will fill the nostrils of lobby correspondents.
The Banner: "SO LONG SUCKERS!" will be hung from the last chopper seen to be leaving for the USS Eisenhower stationed somewhere off the Channel.
Various anons - or all the same person? - to suggest that Tony Blair even understands the meaning of the word "integrity", let alone actually has any, is ludicrous even by NuLab's standards.
This is the man who said in Parliament Saddam Hussein had WMD.............
Breakfast? At half past three in the afternoon? How very louche.
You should be ashamed of yourself Mr Dale.
As to the detractors saying nothing will happen. This has been a very public enquiry. If the CPS doesn't chage somemone, the whole shoddy crowd will forever have a cloud over their heads.
Blair may just get away with it, but guilt by association and the lingering doubts about a whitewash will taint his already besmirched "legacy" yet further.
He was wrong when he said that Saddam had WMD. But, Saddam had them in the past and, as the Iraq Survey Group found, he and his sons would have had them in the future.
Blair has undergone more investigations than any other PM and has always been exonerated. The cash-for-honours investigation being the most recent.
He is a truthful and honest individual. Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it.
'He is a truthful and honest individual. Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it.'
Blair said Sadam had ability to launch WMD in 45 minutes. Put as fact.
The actual intelligence stated 'weapons in 45 minutes?'.
No mention of WMD. Just W. And doubt over the 45 minutes.
He used evidence selectively to support a war he was emotionally committed to, did not weigh the evidence and then decide. It was a false prospectus.
There has been no investigation into the use of evidence and its representation by the government. If there were Blair would not be exonerated. But he decides if there is and, surprise, there has not been.
So, view these facts and then make up your mind sans blinkers.
Since this first began to develop, I have said that Tony and Fatty would do a moonlight flit. For the Blairina, I'd be surprised if it was the first.
I've said their future is in the Middle East for quite some time. Maybe they could take shelter in the Lebanon and Cherie could stand in as a rocket launcher.
Anonymous 6:38: "Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it."
Sorry, but we all came to the same conclusion independently. There was a pro-blair onslaught when he first slithered into Downing St, and we didn't go along with that, having all our faculties about us.
In the Commons debate that took us to war, not one person mentioned the 45 minutes. It is a re-writing of history to claim that this was the difference between us going to war or not.
You are also wrong about the W vs WMD - see below. Just another example of a Blair-hater letting their prejudices blind them to the truth. Blair acted in good faith.
Actual quote from the dossier: "(Iraq) has military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, some of which could be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them".
Also: "The Iraqi military may be able to deploy chemical or biological weapons within 45 minutes of an order to do so."
Tony Blair said in the Commons: "(Saddam) has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population".
The anti-Blair onslaught is out of all proportion to the facts. It covers the news 24/7 and has seriously distorted reality. Many sheep, such as yourself, just fall in line behind it, unwilling and probably unable to make up their minds based on facts.
It was as I expected and looks very much like all involved in this farce are innocent, and it is doubtful any further action will be taken.Tone will leave with his reputation intact and go forward to the riches he desires in America, where they appreciate his qualities.Gordon will take over the running of the country, and the Labour party will be re-elected for another term or two.The Tory Party under Camberwell will vanish as did those of his predecessors' and we will laugh at your pathetic postings as we have before.Ten more years,ten more years.
Anonymous 7:20 - I have watched Blair like a hawk since the day he got in. I have watched him telling lies. I have watched his self-aggrandising behaviour. I have watched the excitement in his eyes as he mixed around with rock stars. I have watched him flattering rich people in order to get invitations to stay with rich people and meet other rich people. I have watched him slither around the feet of George Bush. I have watched him, a fantasist, dressing up in costumes and imagining himself in a role. The very, very, very tight trousers and Western boots on Mr Bush's ranch, for example. The floor-length black astrakhan coat he had made for swanking around the Winter Palace with Putin. (Alastair Campbell grabbed it and forbade him to touch it.) Riding a bike around ... oh, was it Amsterdam? He could barely keep his wiggly balance, but it was a PROP! The layers of Man Tan as he posed next to real heroes, and a tank, in Iraq.
I have watched him put on fake accents on Richard and Judy's couch and other eminent venues.
Blair mislead Parliament. That is a crime. Blair has lied to voters on too many occasions to bother enumerating. Blair has sold peerages to fill the coffers of the bankrupt socialist party. (He didn't do this without the expectations of grand rewards, by the way.)
I have watched, and judged, Tony Blair every step of the way.
The "sheep" you refer to are people like yourself - naifs.
verity said...Tony and Fatty would do a moonlight flit.
You complained about a posting I made admonishing me for personalising my comments.I think referring to a person as "Fatty" falls into that category.You, I understand have problems with your weight but I would not insult you or refer to you as a "Fatty". I choose to believe your weight problems are down to this fatty gene that has been recently discovered.It would appear you have a large number of these fatty genes which is why you suffer from being so very,very large.So please do not call the Prime Ministers' wife fatty again, she may be suffering from the same problems as you.
I agree friend, but folk like the chubby Verity personlise their comments,ignore the facts and insult the folk who we elected to govern us.You may not be aware of the fact that the very plump Verity lives in Mexico !
Mike, you sad little fantasist, don't you ever give up? You have been stalking me on the internet for three years, spewing out your fantasies and curiousity, and frankly, if I lived in Britain, I would have made a complaint about you by now.
A few days ago, Iain was motivated to tell you to behave yourself or move on. You promised to move on. So go.
the rants of the annoymings get louder every time there is trubble at mill. The force of the diatribe today only highlights how worried they really are.
Fear not, we all know that Goldsquawk is going to squeeze the life out of any potential arrests, which will be announced just before the election for maximum impact.
The thing to do now is go home, forget about blair, he will vanish into the sunset and will never think about you again, and you will be left out on a limb, overtaxed, tagged, monitored, watched and spied on like the rest of us.
"Teflon Tony" has managed to resist everything that has been thrown at him by his enemies for the past 10 years - quite an achievement, I think we can all agree.
His problem in the near future is not what his enemies throw at him, but what his erstwhile friends (Turner and Levy) are prepared to do, in order to save their own skins.
He may not have been interviewed under caution - yet but once Tony's out of number 10, his power of patronage will have gone and then we'll see how many friends he has left.
You people are always saying Blair's in trouble tomorrow but, as we have seen, tomorrow never comes.
This isn't an accident. Blair has acted with integrity and honesty which means, despite all his detractors best efforts, he will not be charged let alone convicted.
Anyone for Tennis - I don't believe he'll go in May. As you rightly note, as long as he's in Downing St, he has he power of patronage. Once gone, he has nothing and no one to depend on.
All his friendships are opportunistic. I cannot imagine that he has one loyal friend in the world. Certainly not Lord Levy. In fact, I have a feeling that Lord Levy could make a rather interesting enemy.
keep it up, keep defending the indefensible. when blair has gone, so has your shield.
I am convinced you do not understand the rules of revolution.
As antagonists you will very quickly turn from being an asset to a liability, a liability that will not be tolerated and it will be to you that those who would harm this nation come first, to round you up.
Mike Please post a photo of yourself. I , and no doubt many other of your fans would love to see your taut 64 year old body in all its glory . Maybe you could rub yourself all over with baby oil and then pose in speedos? The Hitch
we know what blair has done, you know what blair has done.
justice will eventually find him, as it found Milosovich, as it found Saddam, even if the CPS don't act now, there will be a court somewhere, sometime.
big john said...anonnamings and mike, I dont mock you, I feel sorry for you.
God your boring this is a blog,just a few insults bit of a laugh,can of lager and that's all it is.So don't be so silly have a jar and settle down daft lad it's Saturday tomorrow bit of football,game of darts and a late night game of cards.Now be off with you it's time for a bit of telly.
by all means engage others in debate, but don't slag other contributors off and expect to get a fair hearing in return.
I'm sure you have valid political views but communication is a two way process - talking and listening in equal measure. Simply trashing people who don't share your viewpoint has no place in good quality political debate.
By all means, make fun, use irony and argue with passion. But remember that you're in the company of lots of other people who post on blogs like this because they want their views to have a fair hearing.
If you can buy into this concept, it will be nice to hear your views in the future.
Mike, the problem is, you're on someone else's property and this blog isn't your property for "just a few insults bit of a laugh,can of lager and that's all it is." No, that isn't "all it is". Look at the title of this blog. Is it called Iain Dales Diary, or Chav's Diary?
To my knowledge, you have been cautioned on at least one other blog.
I speak as someone who (under other noms des plumes oh hell, have I spelt that right? ) has been given a bit of a bashing by our friend across the pond.
You have the same choice as the rest of us:
...listen and learn and get respect for your views, or
...ignore everyone else and get ignored in return.
Big John - Big black maria slipping into Downing Street. Spotlights. Armed police. Reporters thrusting out mikes and shouting, "How do you feel about being arrested, sir?"
"Do you have anything to say about the charges against you, sir?"
"How do you feel about the allegations that you were selling peerages, Mr Blair?"
"Is Mrs Blair going to represent you, Mr Blair?"
Oh, happy, happy dreams.
But we will never have this satisfaction. They will be long gone. Given safe haven somewhere. Anyone know if Blair's been taking Spanish lessons? That Hugo Chavez could be a real friend in need. And what's Sylvio doing these days? And Gdaffi of Tents? I notice Tone was always inexplicably careful to never give offence to that nice Mr Mugabe.
I feel a second brandy coming on now, so that I can sleep soundly, dreaming of the senario as you describe..
I read how Chirac is hoping to jump into a euro job to maintain his immunity, and I think Blair is planning to do the same, only he is looking for the euro presidency.
am just wondering what kind of deal he has done with Angela Merkel.
At least you have posted. JHL told me you'd completely missed it ... I got it up at 3:22 ... but ther really is nothing to say on it. Hopefully CPS will say it is a pile of doo doos and doesn't justify three years in the courts anymore than the 15 months to date. Let them give the bill to the famous SNP philanderer (a la Clinton, no full sex) Angus MacTeeny.
Norfolk- I apologise. These one-liners weren't even about Norfolk. They were about E Texas and originally, the Ozarks. They seemed to be an idea to lighten the intensity of the postings of one individual here, and I do beg your forgiveness. They had absolutely no root in Norfolk.
Big John - well, the constitution of France, if it still exists, says Chirac can't be tried while still in office, but I don't know whether that's in office in France or in office any damn' where. The thing is, he has nowhere to go unless he can claim asylum somewhere.
Closest to Paris would be Francophone Tunisia or Morocco, and certainly they would have him because he has billions. (Courtesy the surprised shareholders in Credit Lyonais.) Things could be flown down from Paris in a couple of hours, including dinner. Downside: including Mme Chirac.
I've long been fascinated about what this individual will do when he leaves office. He can't go to Martinique, etc., because they're all part of Metropolitan France.
I would not fall down in amazement if he went to Quebec.
If the CPS decide there are no charges to answer, I would hope that they would feel confident enough to use the FOI Act to place the 6000 plus documents into the public domain, as a public interest case.
A lawyer? hell no, wouldn't stoop that low. We got enough of them in government.
just wishful thinking, let the nation decide and all that..although not sure whether they would have to if someone, anyone who has been interviewed perhaps, can request a release.
You are employed in the CPS deciding whether to take legal action in the cash for honours scandal, Do you: 1)Recommend that legal action should not proceed,and hold out for a peerage. 2)Recommend that legal action should proceed,resign,and look for a job in Poland. 3)Recommend that legal action should proceed,blame it on an underling,and hold out for a peerage.
I share your distaste. I have a cousin who is wheelchair bound (cerebral palsy) and my better half is god-mother to a nice little lad who even more disabled.
Don't think that all posters on "right wing" blogs represent the views of all right-wing viewers and bloggers.
Most of the visitors to Iain's and Guido's sites are not "hate filled idiots". In fact, anyone who behaves that way tends to be dealt with pretty quickly.
It would be very wrong to think that the political left have the monopoly on the high moral ground.
Anonymous 11:49 opines: "I'm encouraged by the number of pro-Blair postings on this blog. I usually find it's a pretty lonely pursuit."
It's still a lonely pursuit, sweets.
People here aren't keen on Trots, Marxism, Stalinism, one-worlderism, the UN, (can just anyone stand for PM of Britain? If so, how about John Howard or John Bolton - fine spirits, both)
Anyone for Tennis opines, regarding remarks about the disabled, etc. - which actually don't tend to appear on conservative blogs because we have other issues, so why is he obsessing? - writes:
"Most of the visitors to Iain's and Guido's sites are not 'hate filled idiots'. In fact, anyone who behaves that way tends to be dealt with pretty quickly."
See, I don't even like this sentence because it implies a schoolma'armish attitude to the thoughts of others. Why be so eager to "deal with" people "pretty quickly"?
Jerks tend not to be responded to on civilised sites. It's a self-happening. Jerks are boring. To say they "get dealt with pretty quickly" makes me feel sick.
The famous British thought police is still admired, apparently, and people are apparently still judged too weak to operate without the wonderful British thought police on the alert.
I suspect the posting remarking on the disabled was a response to the rather schoolmarmish post by chis paul at 11.13 on Guidos.As we know this site attracts independent minded characters who do not like to be told what to say or think.
Why would anyone be so strangely mentally disconnected that they would post a response to a comment on Guido's site on Iain's site? If they were that daft, how did they know of the other site's web address?
I'm sorry, but these are blogs for politically engaged people, not therapy. I will not be contributing to "care in the web community".
Anonymous 12:54 The posters on this and other sites spend much of your time de-humanising politicians. This leads to the obscene posts suchas the one on Guido's site.
You mean the people who post here reference Guido's site?
"Mike" has so much personality and is fizzing with so many clever, insightful thoughts that he is just too big for one identity. When he is at a loss for a name to post additional drivel under, he chooses "Anonymous".
I mentioned yesterday that "Mike" was cautioned by at least one other prominent blog as this isn't the first blog on which he has chosen to squat and fling his poo around. "Mike" writes: "Name the blog please and If (sic) you are unable to name the blog apologise."
Not just a chav, but delusional. Who are you? The CPS? I am not "unable" to name the blog. I am refusing. If Iain wants to know, I'll email him.
Verity "mike" is a cyber flasher , its the same mentality that leads a certain type of male to expose his genitals to women in order to achive a perverse thrill . They are best dealt with in the same manner, A sneer followed by haughty indifference. They all have small cocks and big hard drives full of porn
verity said...Not just a chav, but delusional. Who are you? The CPS? I am not "unable" to name the blog. I am refusing. If Iain wants to know, I'll email him.
Just name the blog Verity,now that should not be difficult surely,name the blog.No long diatribe just the name of the blog concerned and where you obtained the information.
Verity:3.39am. Is it any wonder I am undergoing therapy? I have just lived through 10 years with Tony Blair as PM you tit. By the way, as you live in Mexico shouldn't you be trying your luck at the border with the US? With luck some snipers will be waiting.
Eh?
ReplyDeleteHave you actually verified this story Iain?
It's on the BBC
ReplyDeleteAnyone got a pdf of the 216 page report Yates has given to the CPS?
ReplyDeleteIt would make a fascinating read.....can't wait for it to be publicly released....
Will the CPS (crony prevarication service) actually have the bollocks to prosecute anyone?
ReplyDeleteI very much doubt it.
They seem far less independent and than the honourable and public-spritied Yates, much more politicised and far less determined to face down criticism.
Wouldn't surprise me if over the next few weeks we hear; "after careful consideration of the file presented by Mr. Yates and his team, we have decided there is insufficient evidence to press charges against any individual."
I'm not holding my breath.
I wonder if Nu Labour will mention it in their local election literature?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23393352-details/Dramatic+move+on+%27cash+for+honours%27+probe/article.do
ReplyDeleteThe potentially explosive police file on the 'cash for honours' probe was today handed over to prosecutors.
The findings of the Met's Special Investigations Unit will now be handled by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Charges could be brought over the alleged sale of peerages to Labour-supporting businessmen.
...
As is usual in complex cases, the CPS has hired a leading barrister, in this case the Treasury counsel David Perry QC, to give an assessment of the evidence and whether charges should be brought...
... police believe action could come quickly as the CPS has been closely involved in the inquiry to date.
I wonder if Lord Levy will be asked to hand over his passport soon?
ReplyDeleteShould this be filed under fiction or non fiction?
ReplyDeleteYou think they didn't know that ?
ReplyDeleteFolks, has anyone else seen John Redwood's blatant flag-flying to be approached to run as London Mayor ?
ReplyDeleteHas 'more vulgar than a vulcan's..' got anything to report on this ?
i love love love dale's incredible self-importance more every time i visit.
ReplyDeleteeveryone
go BACK and READ what his post says.
as if anyone gives a toss what he's doing while the rest of the world gets on.
Anon @ 4:21. Well it is his blog so I suppose he's allowed to tell us what he's doing. Please provide the name of the person who forces you to come here.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 4:21, I endorse the comment by Anonymous 4:27. If you will let us know who forces you to click on this address against your will, we will gang up to have a word with this individual.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile, Iain is free to enjoy his own property as he pleases. Sometimes he even feels free to post a photo of little Gio for no reason.
That said, wedding breakfasts are wasted on Iain as he doesn't drink Champagne.
was the SNP wot done it
ReplyDelete"Guido's down the pub and I'm at a wedding in North Norfolk. What a great day for the Police to hand over their files to the CPS."
ReplyDeleteSounds like a conspiracy to suppress bad news to me. I think we should be told.
I'm good at ganging up on others.
ReplyDeleteanon 4:21
ReplyDeleteI agree with anon 4:27
anon 4:59
ReplyDeleteI agree with you
so we are all agreed then?
ReplyDelete20th July 2007: CPS to Yates. "Unfortunately the papers you say you sent us on 20th April cannot be traced and the person who was dealing with this case is no longer with us. It is possible that the papers were passed to the Crime Support Unit, but again we have no record of this. If you still wish us to pursue the matter after this length of time you will need to send us a duplicate set of papers. But we should warn you that we are exceptionally busy at this time of year, as a number of staff members are on annual and/or maternity and/or paternity leave, so there will inevitable be some delay in taking the matter further."
ReplyDeleteHi, Mitch here. I was Anon 4:27 but am unable to fathom Dale's identity process to enable me to correctly identify myself.
ReplyDeleteThe wedding breakfast?
ReplyDeleteSounds positively Hardy-esque
What a very old-fashioned fellow you are, Mr Dale.
Still, here's hoping Levy and Co. get their just desserts.
Oh! A joke.
Too much to hope that Blair and Brown will be getting their collars felt, too, I suppose.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree.
ReplyDeleteFirst the mole leaving a crytic message on Mike Smithson's phone, a date for the big departure hinted at, Tony Blair launches big attack on Cameron and Iain at wedding while Guido is in the pub doing what he does best!
ReplyDeleteIf I was cynical I would say the only two that were not in the loop about this development were Guido and Iain, which begs the question "should Blair have been in loop and No10 allowed to stage managed the media today?
Don't agree with what? (Mitch)
ReplyDeleteGuido's not in the pub, or not yet. He's in an altogether more expensive establishment. With someone else picking up the tab so not likely to leave soon.
ReplyDeletestill SNP wot done it
ReplyDeleteIain and Guido are today's joint winners of the McCavity award.
ReplyDeleteanonymous 4:21
ReplyDelete"as if anyone gives a toss what he's doing while the rest of the world gets on."
Well actually they do. So fuck off and don't come back.
Yeah Weasel, we've already done that one.
ReplyDeleteI bet they had you both spied on and wait for the best time.
ReplyDeleteYep.
It really is shocking to be exposed by Mr Dale.
So, Blair was never questioned under caution and, therefore, almost certainly will not face charges. Looks as if you all got it wrong.
ReplyDeleteHis integrity is in tact, just as I have predicted many times on this blog.
And over on ConHome their saying "there may be trouble ahead".
ReplyDeleteI predict that as a gold brick certainty!
anonymong Blair's... 'integrity is in tact, just as I have predicted many times on this blog'.
ReplyDeleteIn your eyes maybe sunshine but not the rest of the world. Its amazing how bunker syndrome puts blinkers on those that should know better. Berlin '45, the Stalin years, Mao, and now downing street '07.
"Folks, has anyone else seen John Redwood's blatant flag-flying to be approached to run as London Mayor ?
ReplyDeleteHas 'more vulgar than a vulcan's..' got anything to report on this ? "
No. But I can guarantee if Redwood *has* a vulva, then I am certainly more vulgar than it would be.
Anon 6:03
ReplyDeleteOverdoing it a bit aren't you.
Blair has been exonerated time after time. Put simply, you can't argue with his politics so you resort to targetting the man - trouble is the accusations are always proved to be false.
Wedding in Norfolk....brother & sister or father & daughter ?
ReplyDeleteI hear doctors write "NFN" on their notes - Normal For Norfolk.
I understand family trees are very tangled in that neck of the woods
"Guido's down the pub and I'm at a wedding in North Norfolk. What a great day for the Police to hand over their files to the CPS."
ReplyDeleteSounds like a conspiracy to suppress bad news to me. I think we should be told.
What a complete load of utter rubbish . It would be nice to think that the internet was not full of self obsessed conspiracy theorists but again such a thought is proved completely wrong.
Why has this blog site got so boring lately?
ReplyDeleteI heard a Norfolk man died and left his entire fortune to his beloved wife, but she can't touch it until she's 14.
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ReplyDeleteover 200 pages of:
ReplyDelete"Tone made me do it - he's a bad influence - especially now he's no longer going to be the boss"
Meanwhile Bing Crosby's "White
Christmas" is being played on Downing Street accompanied by the hum of US choppers landing on the roof. The strangely familiar smell of snake oil will fill the nostrils of lobby correspondents.
The Banner: "SO LONG SUCKERS!" will be hung from the last chopper seen to be leaving for the USS Eisenhower stationed somewhere off the Channel.
Various anons - or all the same person? - to suggest that Tony Blair even understands the meaning of the word "integrity", let alone actually has any, is ludicrous even by NuLab's standards.
ReplyDeleteThis is the man who said in Parliament Saddam Hussein had WMD.............
Breakfast? At half past three in the afternoon? How very louche.
ReplyDeleteYou should be ashamed of yourself Mr Dale.
As to the detractors saying nothing will happen. This has been a very public enquiry. If the CPS doesn't chage somemone, the whole shoddy crowd will forever have a cloud over their heads.
Blair may just get away with it, but guilt by association and the lingering doubts about a whitewash will taint his already besmirched "legacy" yet further.
parburypolitica, my sincere apologies.I should have made that post in my ironic font.
ReplyDeleteJafo
ReplyDeleteHe was wrong when he said that Saddam had WMD. But, Saddam had them in the past and, as the Iraq Survey Group found, he and his sons would have had them in the future.
Blair has undergone more investigations than any other PM and has always been exonerated. The cash-for-honours investigation being the most recent.
He is a truthful and honest individual. Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it.
I prefer to make my mind up on the facts.
"Blair has undergone more investigations than any other PM and has always been exonerated. The cash-for-honours investigation being the most recent"
ReplyDeleteYeah, I wonder why...
"He is a truthful and honest individual"
ROFL
Anon 6:46
ReplyDeleteThere there - it's so much easier than having to think isn't it.
anon 6:38 piously said
ReplyDelete'He is a truthful and honest individual. Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it.'
Blair said Sadam had ability to launch WMD in 45 minutes. Put as fact.
The actual intelligence stated 'weapons in 45 minutes?'.
No mention of WMD. Just W. And doubt over the 45 minutes.
He used evidence selectively to support a war he was emotionally committed to, did not weigh the evidence and then decide. It was a false prospectus.
There has been no investigation into the use of evidence and its representation by the government. If there were Blair would not be exonerated. But he decides if there is and, surprise, there has not been.
So, view these facts and then make up your mind sans blinkers.
Since this first began to develop, I have said that Tony and Fatty would do a moonlight flit. For the Blairina, I'd be surprised if it was the first.
ReplyDeleteI've said their future is in the Middle East for quite some time. Maybe they could take shelter in the Lebanon and Cherie could stand in as a rocket launcher.
Anonymous 6:38: "Many people see the anti-Blair onslaught and, like yourself, just go along with it."
ReplyDeleteSorry, but we all came to the same conclusion independently. There was a pro-blair onslaught when he first slithered into Downing St, and we didn't go along with that, having all our faculties about us.
Anon 6:50
ReplyDeleteIn the Commons debate that took us to war, not one person mentioned the 45 minutes. It is a re-writing of history to claim that this was the difference between us going to war or not.
You are also wrong about the W vs WMD - see below. Just another example of a Blair-hater letting their prejudices blind them to the truth. Blair acted in good faith.
Actual quote from the dossier:
"(Iraq) has military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, some of which could be ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them".
Also:
"The Iraqi military may be able to deploy chemical or biological weapons within 45 minutes of an order to do so."
Tony Blair said in the Commons:
"(Saddam) has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population".
verity 6:56
ReplyDeleteThe anti-Blair onslaught is out of all proportion to the facts. It covers the news 24/7 and has seriously distorted reality. Many sheep, such as yourself, just fall in line behind it, unwilling and probably unable to make up their minds based on facts.
It was as I expected and looks very much like all involved in this farce are innocent, and it is doubtful any further action will be taken.Tone will leave with his reputation intact and go forward to the riches he desires in America, where they appreciate his qualities.Gordon will take over the running of the country, and the Labour party will be re-elected for another term or two.The Tory Party under Camberwell will vanish as did those of his predecessors' and we will laugh at your pathetic postings as we have before.Ten more years,ten more years.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 7:20 - I have watched Blair like a hawk since the day he got in. I have watched him telling lies. I have watched his self-aggrandising behaviour. I have watched the excitement in his eyes as he mixed around with rock stars. I have watched him flattering rich people in order to get invitations to stay with rich people and meet other rich people. I have watched him slither around the feet of George Bush. I have watched him, a fantasist, dressing up in costumes and imagining himself in a role. The very, very, very tight trousers and Western boots on Mr Bush's ranch, for example. The floor-length black astrakhan coat he had made for swanking around the Winter Palace with Putin. (Alastair Campbell grabbed it and forbade him to touch it.) Riding a bike around ... oh, was it Amsterdam? He could barely keep his wiggly balance, but it was a PROP! The layers of Man Tan as he posed next to real heroes, and a tank, in Iraq.
ReplyDeleteI have watched him put on fake accents on Richard and Judy's couch and other eminent venues.
Blair mislead Parliament. That is a crime. Blair has lied to voters on too many occasions to bother enumerating. Blair has sold peerages to fill the coffers of the bankrupt socialist party. (He didn't do this without the expectations of grand rewards, by the way.)
I have watched, and judged, Tony Blair every step of the way.
The "sheep" you refer to are people like yourself - naifs.
verity said...Tony and Fatty would do a moonlight flit.
ReplyDeleteYou complained about a posting I made admonishing me for personalising my comments.I think referring to a person as "Fatty" falls into that category.You, I understand have problems with your weight but I would not insult you or refer to you as a "Fatty". I choose to believe your weight problems are down to this fatty gene that has been recently discovered.It would appear you have a large number of these fatty genes which is why you suffer from being so very,very large.So please do not call the Prime Ministers' wife fatty again, she may be suffering from the same problems as you.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteverity 6:56
The anti-Blair onslaught is out of all proportion to the facts.
This is a Tory blog all you will see here are postings by folk who don't like this government,especially vocal is the rather overweight Verity .
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnon 6:50
Blair acted in good faith.
I agree friend, but folk like the chubby Verity personlise their comments,ignore the facts and insult the folk who we elected to govern us.You may not be aware of the fact that the very plump Verity lives in Mexico !
I don't know what "Mike" has been drinking this afternoon, but I wouldn't mind a pint of it....
ReplyDeleteHe probably has to hit the hard stuff to ready himself for his weekly hammering from Verity!
anyone for tennis said...He probably has to hit the hard stuff to ready himself for his weekly hammering from Verity!
ReplyDeleteNot a chubby chaser !
Mike, you sad little fantasist, don't you ever give up? You have been stalking me on the internet for three years, spewing out your fantasies and curiousity, and frankly, if I lived in Britain, I would have made a complaint about you by now.
ReplyDeleteA few days ago, Iain was motivated to tell you to behave yourself or move on. You promised to move on. So go.
verity said...A few days ago, Iain was motivated to tell you to behave yourself or move on.
ReplyDeleteNo he did not, he told you to grow up.
verity
ReplyDeleteYou hate Blair. That's it! It's pathetic to see you trying to dress up your warped view of the world in a cloak of rationality.
the rants of the annoymings get louder every time there is trubble at mill. The force of the diatribe today only highlights how worried they really are.
ReplyDeleteFear not, we all know that Goldsquawk is going to squeeze the life out of any potential arrests, which will be announced just before the election for maximum impact.
The thing to do now is go home, forget about blair, he will vanish into the sunset and will never think about you again, and you will be left out on a limb, overtaxed, tagged, monitored, watched and spied on like the rest of us.
big john
ReplyDeleteDidn't you hear the news? Blair is in the clear - he was not interviewed under caution. Do try to keep up!!
"Teflon Tony" has managed to resist everything that has been thrown at him by his enemies for the past 10 years - quite an achievement, I think we can all agree.
ReplyDeleteHis problem in the near future is not what his enemies throw at him, but what his erstwhile friends (Turner and Levy) are prepared to do, in order to save their own skins.
He may not have been interviewed under caution - yet but once Tony's out of number 10, his power of patronage will have gone and then we'll see how many friends he has left.
Roll on May....
Anon 8:48
ReplyDeleteYou people are always saying Blair's in trouble tomorrow but, as we have seen, tomorrow never comes.
This isn't an accident. Blair has acted with integrity and honesty which means, despite all his detractors best efforts, he will not be charged let alone convicted.
Anyone for Tennis - I don't believe he'll go in May. As you rightly note, as long as he's in Downing St, he has he power of patronage. Once gone, he has nothing and no one to depend on.
ReplyDeleteAll his friendships are opportunistic. I cannot imagine that he has one loyal friend in the world. Certainly not Lord Levy. In fact, I have a feeling that Lord Levy could make a rather interesting enemy.
anonnymings
ReplyDeletekeep it up, keep defending the indefensible. when blair has gone, so has your shield.
I am convinced you do not understand the rules of revolution.
As antagonists you will very quickly turn from being an asset to a liability, a liability that will not be tolerated and it will be to you that those who would harm this nation come first, to round you up.
antagonist today, victim tomorrow.
Verity:
ReplyDeleteMy earlier comment of "roll on May" was wishful thinking on my part.
I agree with you - Tony Blair knows that he's safe as long as he's in number 10. Once he's out, he becomes a target.
When they make a film about his life, I wonder if they'll get Bruno Ganz to play him?
verity said...
ReplyDeleteI heard a Norfolk man died and left his entire fortune to his beloved wife, but she can't touch it until she's 14.
Funny comment Verity...when are we going out on that date ?
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ReplyDeletebig john said...
ReplyDeletethe rants of the annoymings get louder every time.
Yes and we have a lot to shout about, Labour is in power and you are not.
Mike
ReplyDeletePlease post a photo of yourself. I , and no doubt many other of your fans would love to see your taut 64 year old body in all its glory .
Maybe you could rub yourself all over with baby oil and then pose in speedos?
The Hitch
big john
ReplyDeleteA bit overwrought!
In a few years from now, we will look back on Blair's decade as a golden age.
Where was the toothbrush invented? Norfolk. If it had been anywhere else, it would have been called the teethbrush.
ReplyDeleteanonnyming
ReplyDeletethe only gold in your memory will be the bank of england reserves..
gone forever...welcome to zimbabwe mkII
http://preview.tinyurl.com/35dngg
ReplyDeleteI knew I could find it somewhere...
Theo Spark's take on Teflon Tony and m'Lord Levy...
The Hitch said...
ReplyDeleteMike
Please post a photo of yourself. I , and no doubt many other of your fans would love to see your taut 64 year old body in all its glory .
No.
big john
ReplyDeleteAt first I thought you were cynical, now I realise that you're just ignorant of the world.
anyone for tennis
ReplyDeleteweak.
To take the revolution to the streets select the naive and simple minded, as they will be easily led - Marx
ReplyDeleteshould read your history...ah, no, you cant do that anymore, its being taken off the menu. No more A-level or above history...
the antagonists who have served blair and brown, those on the streets are now expendable, no longer required...
you have given them the time, the loyalty in blindness, and allowed them to perpetrate their evil on this nation, as you will learn. You will learn.
big john said...
ReplyDeleteBore.
Good to see that "Mike" is up to his old tricks and combining multiple posting under his own name with assorted postings as "anonymous."
ReplyDeleteMaybe he doesn't have any friends - or maybe they're all called "Mike."
Be a good chap, take your lithium and go to bed now...
anonnamings and mike,
ReplyDeleteI dont mock you, I feel sorry for you.
we know what blair has done, you know what blair has done.
justice will eventually find him, as it found Milosovich, as it found Saddam, even if the CPS don't act now, there will be a court somewhere, sometime.
verity said...
ReplyDeleteWhere was the toothbrush invented? Norfolk. If it had been anywhere else, it would have been called the teethbrush.
I am from Norfolk and I do not find your comments funny please stop.
big john said...anonnamings and mike, I dont mock you, I feel sorry for you.
ReplyDeleteGod your boring this is a blog,just a few insults bit of a laugh,can of lager and that's all it is.So don't be so silly have a jar and settle down daft lad it's Saturday tomorrow bit of football,game of darts and a late night game of cards.Now be off with you it's time for a bit of telly.
mike,
ReplyDeletehappy to dish it out, cant take it eh. just like the great leader...
I'm in for the night, don't drink lager (louts drink), but might take a small brandy later to accompany the cigar just to keep the spring chill out.
am just waiting for the news flash, the one saying that the black maria has slipped quietly into downing st.
Mike:
ReplyDelete...and the moral of this story is...
by all means engage others in debate, but don't slag other contributors off and expect to get a fair hearing in return.
I'm sure you have valid political views but communication is a two way process - talking and listening in equal measure. Simply trashing people who don't share your viewpoint has no place in good quality political debate.
By all means, make fun, use irony and argue with passion. But remember that you're in the company of lots of other people who post on blogs like this because they want their views to have a fair hearing.
If you can buy into this concept, it will be nice to hear your views in the future.
Mike, the problem is, you're on someone else's property and this blog isn't your property for "just a few insults bit of a laugh,can of lager and that's all it is." No, that isn't "all it is". Look at the title of this blog. Is it called Iain Dales Diary, or Chav's Diary?
ReplyDeleteTo my knowledge, you have been cautioned on at least one other blog.
Thanks, The Hitch.
Mike:
ReplyDeleteI'm with Verity on her last posting.
I speak as someone who (under other noms des plumes oh hell, have I spelt that right? ) has been given a bit of a bashing by our friend across the pond.
You have the same choice as the rest of us:
...listen and learn and get respect for your views, or
...ignore everyone else and get ignored in return.
Your choice.
I hope you make the right one.
Big John - Big black maria slipping into Downing Street. Spotlights. Armed police. Reporters thrusting out mikes and shouting, "How do you feel about being arrested, sir?"
ReplyDelete"Do you have anything to say about the charges against you, sir?"
"How do you feel about the allegations that you were selling peerages, Mr Blair?"
"Is Mrs Blair going to represent you, Mr Blair?"
Oh, happy, happy dreams.
But we will never have this satisfaction. They will be long gone. Given safe haven somewhere. Anyone know if Blair's been taking Spanish lessons? That Hugo Chavez could be a real friend in need. And what's Sylvio doing these days? And Gdaffi of Tents? I notice Tone was always inexplicably careful to never give offence to that nice Mr Mugabe.
Verity
ReplyDeleteI feel a second brandy coming on now, so that I can sleep soundly, dreaming of the senario as you describe..
I read how Chirac is hoping to jump into a euro job to maintain his immunity, and I think Blair is planning to do the same, only he is looking for the euro presidency.
am just wondering what kind of deal he has done with Angela Merkel.
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verity /john / tennis...
ReplyDeletedon't expect a response from "Mike"...
it's after 11 and the Special Brew has done its work. Everyone in the pub is now hish best friend.
At least you have posted. JHL told me you'd completely missed it ... I got it up at 3:22 ... but ther really is nothing to say on it. Hopefully CPS will say it is a pile of doo doos and doesn't justify three years in the courts anymore than the 15 months to date. Let them give the bill to the famous SNP philanderer (a la Clinton, no full sex) Angus MacTeeny.
ReplyDeleteFerrety more like
ReplyDeleteNorfolk- I apologise. These one-liners weren't even about Norfolk. They were about E Texas and originally, the Ozarks. They seemed to be an idea to lighten the intensity of the postings of one individual here, and I do beg your forgiveness. They had absolutely no root in Norfolk.
ReplyDeleteBig John - well, the constitution of France, if it still exists, says Chirac can't be tried while still in office, but I don't know whether that's in office in France or in office any damn' where. The thing is, he has nowhere to go unless he can claim asylum somewhere.
Closest to Paris would be Francophone Tunisia or Morocco, and certainly they would have him because he has billions. (Courtesy the surprised shareholders in Credit Lyonais.) Things could be flown down from Paris in a couple of hours, including dinner. Downside: including Mme Chirac.
I've long been fascinated about what this individual will do when he leaves office. He can't go to Martinique, etc., because they're all part of Metropolitan France.
I would not fall down in amazement if he went to Quebec.
If the CPS decide there are no charges to answer, I would hope that they would feel confident enough to use the FOI Act to place the 6000 plus documents into the public domain, as a public interest case.
ReplyDeleteParbury - stop playing out with those nasty Tories
ReplyDeleteBig John: yeah right, FOI, put all the stuff in the PD, yeah right, are you a lawyer perchance? Would not have thought so ...
ReplyDeleteThe Verity that appears in blue is a squatter, having built a shack on someone else's reputation.
ReplyDeleteanonymous
ReplyDeleteA lawyer? hell no, wouldn't stoop that low. We got enough of them in government.
just wishful thinking, let the nation decide and all that..although not sure whether they would have to if someone, anyone who has been interviewed perhaps, can request a release.
I'm encouraged by the number of pro-Blair postings on this blog. I usually find it's a pretty lonely pursuit.
ReplyDeleteYou are employed in the CPS deciding whether to take legal action in the cash for honours scandal,
ReplyDeleteDo you:
1)Recommend that legal action should not proceed,and hold out for a peerage.
2)Recommend that legal action should proceed,resign,and look for a job in Poland.
3)Recommend that legal action should proceed,blame it on an underling,and hold out for a peerage.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteYou are employed in the CPS deciding whether to take legal action.
You pray that someone else has to take the decision.
pray for the peerage on the back of the decision that someone else took.
Go and have a look at the posting from Anon 11:57 on the Friday Caption Competition on Guidos blog to see where all this irrational hatred ends up.
ReplyDeleteWould it be too much to ask for the hate filled idiots that frequent Iain's and Guido's blog to get some sort of grip on reality?
anonymous 12.02 am
ReplyDeleteI share your distaste. I have a cousin who is wheelchair bound (cerebral palsy) and my better half is god-mother to a nice little lad who even more disabled.
Don't think that all posters on "right wing" blogs represent the views of all right-wing viewers and bloggers.
Most of the visitors to Iain's and Guido's sites are not "hate filled idiots". In fact, anyone who behaves that way tends to be dealt with pretty quickly.
It would be very wrong to think that the political left have the monopoly on the high moral ground.
Anonymous 11:49 opines: "I'm encouraged by the number of pro-Blair postings on this blog. I usually find it's a pretty lonely pursuit."
ReplyDeleteIt's still a lonely pursuit, sweets.
People here aren't keen on Trots, Marxism, Stalinism, one-worlderism, the UN, (can just anyone stand for PM of Britain? If so, how about John Howard or John Bolton - fine spirits, both)
Anyone for Tennis opines, regarding remarks about the disabled, etc. - which actually don't tend to appear on conservative blogs because we have other issues, so why is he obsessing? - writes:
ReplyDelete"Most of the visitors to Iain's and Guido's sites are not 'hate filled idiots'. In fact, anyone who behaves that way tends to be dealt with pretty quickly."
See, I don't even like this sentence because it implies a schoolma'armish attitude to the thoughts of others. Why be so eager to "deal with" people "pretty quickly"?
Jerks tend not to be responded to on civilised sites. It's a self-happening. Jerks are boring. To say they "get dealt with pretty quickly" makes me feel sick.
The famous British thought police is still admired, apparently, and people are apparently still judged too weak to operate without the wonderful British thought police on the alert.
The posters on this and other sites spend much of your time de-humanising politicians. This leads to the obscene posts suchas the one on Guido's site.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot just wash your hands of all responsibility.
I suspect the posting remarking on the disabled was a response to the rather schoolmarmish post by chis paul at 11.13 on Guidos.As we know this site attracts independent minded characters who do not like to be told what to say or think.
ReplyDeleteWhy would anyone be so strangely mentally disconnected that they would post a response to a comment on Guido's site on Iain's site? If they were that daft, how did they know of the other site's web address?
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but these are blogs for politically engaged people, not therapy. I will not be contributing to "care in the web community".
Anonymous 12:54 The posters on this and other sites spend much of your time de-humanising politicians. This leads to the obscene posts suchas the one on Guido's site.
ReplyDeleteYou mean the people who post here reference Guido's site?
Good morning Iain - get yourself a copy of The Times or the The Daily Mail this morning.
ReplyDeleteIs my eyesight playing tricks on me, or has the offensive posting on Guido's site at 11.57 mysteriously disappeared?
ReplyDeletecarlsberg said...
ReplyDeleteverity /john / tennis...
don't expect a response from "Mike"...
it's after 11 and the Special Brew has done its work. Everyone in the pub is now hish best friend.
I really love you "carlsberg" Your my bestest friend in the whole world.
anyone for tennis said...
Mike:
I'm with Verity on her last posting.
Your daft you are, but I like you.
verity said...To my knowledge, you have been cautioned on at least one other blog.
Name the blog please and If you are unable to name the blog apologise.
anyone for tennis said...
Mike:
...and the moral of this story is...
God your nearly as boring as Verity,there doin' me head again Iain make them stop please.
Be careful Mike...
ReplyDeleteIt may be broad daylight in Britain, but it's still night-time in America and Verity won't have climbed back into her coffin just yet...
"Mike" has so much personality and is fizzing with so many clever, insightful thoughts that he is just too big for one identity. When he is at a loss for a name to post additional drivel under, he chooses "Anonymous".
ReplyDeleteI mentioned yesterday that "Mike" was cautioned by at least one other prominent blog as this isn't the first blog on which he has chosen to squat and fling his poo around. "Mike" writes: "Name the blog please and If (sic) you are unable to name the blog apologise."
Not just a chav, but delusional. Who are you? The CPS? I am not "unable" to name the blog. I am refusing. If Iain wants to know, I'll email him.
Verity
ReplyDelete"mike" is a cyber flasher , its the same mentality that leads a certain type of male to expose his genitals to women in order to achive a perverse thrill .
They are best dealt with in the same manner, A sneer followed by haughty indifference.
They all have small cocks and big hard drives full of porn
verity said...Not just a chav, but delusional. Who are you? The CPS? I am not "unable" to name the blog. I am refusing. If Iain wants to know, I'll email him.
ReplyDeleteJust name the blog Verity,now that should not be difficult surely,name the blog.No long diatribe just the name of the blog concerned and where you obtained the information.
The Hitch - You are right, of course.
ReplyDeleteCyber flasher. V good!
Verity:3.39am.
ReplyDeleteIs it any wonder I am undergoing therapy? I have just lived through 10 years with Tony Blair as PM you tit. By the way, as you live in Mexico shouldn't you be trying your luck at the border with the US? With luck some snipers will be waiting.