tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post961915595908332346..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Labour Appoints Twitterer-in-Chief As Web SupremoIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44672987991466838622009-08-18T19:30:07.967+01:002009-08-18T19:30:07.967+01:00Will Twitter win Labour the election?
http://comm...Will Twitter win Labour the election?<br /><br />http://community.healthcarerepublic.com/blogs/editors_blog/archive/2009/08/18/will-twitter-win-the-election-for-labour.aspxNeil Durhamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60677390459031934132009-08-18T14:09:05.887+01:002009-08-18T14:09:05.887+01:00Was it not the Lib Dem blogs she was reffering to ...Was it not the Lib Dem blogs she was reffering to when she talks about centralised. They have the aggregater and whilst i dont read many of them they seem to say similar things.Robert Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37058098335529590592009-08-18T07:13:18.355+01:002009-08-18T07:13:18.355+01:00"They seem to be doing everything centrally w..."They seem to be doing everything centrally whereas we have people who are just getting on with blocking people who ask them difficult questions."<br /><br />I think that's what you meant to say. It's almost funny to think that Labour apparatchiks think that twatting a load of propaganda and ignoring people who have a different perspective constitutes some form of "engagement".<br /><br />I think Kerry's been reading her own press releases and has come to believe that they are true.Obnoxio The Clownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12012089552153702526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61853146853988482622009-08-17T23:21:10.327+01:002009-08-17T23:21:10.327+01:00Iain, they'll cock it up. They'll spam Twi...Iain, they'll cock it up. They'll spam Twitter users and Facebook users and it will all go horribly wrong.Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45892163651500807722009-08-17T22:50:14.764+01:002009-08-17T22:50:14.764+01:00Iain, I wasn't talking about your own interact...Iain, I wasn't talking about your own interaction with your readers, I think you do pretty well with that all things considered. I was talking about your readers being able to interact with each other via their posts on your blog.<br /><br />But I have waffled quite enough today. Goodnight :)Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50521571953625863342009-08-17T21:56:10.586+01:002009-08-17T21:56:10.586+01:00This woman's stupidity and arrogance knows no ...This woman's stupidity and arrogance knows no bounds, whilst there truly is no beginning to her talents.<br /><br />How long until she calls you an apologist for racism, Iain?The Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543130733645367498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69621828350536052562009-08-17T18:46:09.357+01:002009-08-17T18:46:09.357+01:00Pat, I do try to interact where possible, but ther...Pat, I do try to interact where possible, but there are only so many hours in a day and I do have to work for a living, contrary to popular rumour.<br /><br />With regard to the format of blog comments, I can't copy ConHome because Blogger doesn't offer that facility.<br /><br />I also cannot block people.<br /><br />However, I may decide to move my blog later in the year and will certainly add these two facilities.<br /><br />IainIain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27905393260824075992009-08-17T18:32:06.047+01:002009-08-17T18:32:06.047+01:00>> Iain Dale said...
Perhaps if you had a n...>> Iain Dale said...<br /><br />Perhaps if you had a name people might wish to interact with you.<<<br /><br />Okaaay... I appreciate a very moderate response to a somewhat cross post!<br /><br />Cross Anonymous is hereafter Pat, short for Patricia, which does happen to be my real name. You can't have my surname because I have a web presence elsewhere with all my contact details and am not about to sacrifice clients on the altar of my political views! Is that raw capitalism??<br /><br />However it doesn't really negate my point. Originally I always posted here with a name, albeit not my own name, I even went along with having to have a Google account to post here, when you did that. There was never any noticeable interaction so I reverted to Anonymous as just the quickest way to post.<br /><br />There is no facility on your blog to respond to a specific post, unlike Con Home, for instance. That DOES occasionally result in some entertaining interaction. Any chance you could do that?<br />My point about old-fashioned newsgroups is that you have that facility automatically, and any poster you don't care for you can automatically block. I rarely do that, happy to take on all comers, just don't like posters who use foul language directed personally and hide behind their keyboards to say stuff they would never say to a human being in person.<br /><br />Please don't think I'm criticising your blog per se. I occasionally think you go a bit over the top, don't we all, but mostly I love the common sense of your posts. I just get frustrated. Trolls we should all ignore, and you do have a few of those! But I would love to discuss some of the points your readers make and it really isn't easy when each post is individual, not a specific response to a specific post and thread thereafter.<br /><br />Just my two cents. You don't have to take any notice. We live in a semi-free country, temporarily, until they take away even the semi. :)Anonymous now Pat!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85112119005671190962009-08-17T18:31:41.977+01:002009-08-17T18:31:41.977+01:00Well Kerry McCarthy's appointment is as specio...Well Kerry McCarthy's appointment is as specious as 'Buryems' 'Strictly come Dancing' reject appointment as Dance Tsar.<br /><br />Check out Kerry's Twitter page. This is a women who seeks advice on which 'pretty boys' band (has to be good music - as if anyone knows what her definition of good music is) would be good to ween her 13 year old niece of the Jonas Bros.<br /><br />Will she start a campaign 'Pretty Boys for Labour' per chance? <br /><br />She also calls her fellow twits 'twitizens'.<br /><br />I agree with Anon above:<br /><br />Twitter is for Twats!Watt Tighler's Revengenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83113501174739868712009-08-17T17:53:30.202+01:002009-08-17T17:53:30.202+01:00You got a 'related link' on the Beeb artic...You got a 'related link' on the Beeb article about this:<br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8205081.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6293082280622627712009-08-17T17:41:07.391+01:002009-08-17T17:41:07.391+01:00Why Gordon is collecting a bunch of Tsars is a mys...Why Gordon is collecting a bunch of Tsars is a mystery to meReece Hewitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14687525891519511975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58275578241193769832009-08-17T17:08:22.338+01:002009-08-17T17:08:22.338+01:00Perhaps if you had a name people might wish to int...Perhaps if you had a name people might wish to interact with you.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75912729064831746262009-08-17T17:04:51.111+01:002009-08-17T17:04:51.111+01:00I've been watching this post of Iain's tod...I've been watching this post of Iain's today because it particularly interested me. I even contributed a couple of times, but zilch. Neither a response from the originator or fellow contributors. And this passes for political blog discourse??? Had I posted either of my responses on a political/technical newsgroup, since both aspects were covered, I'd have had a storm of responses by now and a real debate would be furiously progressing!<br /><br />Pah! You people know nothing about debate, all you do is post your own cast-in-stone opinion. Would you be willing to change a position because you listened to/argued with someone wiser than you are? I've done that occasionally. Have you ever managed to persuade someone to your own point of view because your arguments were the more cogent? I've done that too, occasionally.<br /><br />Blogs don't allow for that kind of exchange and for that very reason will never influence voting intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78366493260619631242009-08-17T16:11:23.492+01:002009-08-17T16:11:23.492+01:00WHat's happened to the last three tweets at th...WHat's happened to the last three tweets at the top of your blog? They seem to have disappeared in the last few days.Osama the Nazarenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8616871056591780872009-08-17T15:28:16.675+01:002009-08-17T15:28:16.675+01:00Anonymous said blah blah blah so i'll ignore m...Anonymous said blah blah blah so i'll ignore most of it but <br /><br />Twitter is far more accessible than an online blog.<br /><br />A bizarre hypothesis unsupported by fact.<br /><br />Not everyone uses a computer at work or has access to there own laptop during the day.<br /><br />How many people view this blog and and leave comments via a phone ? I've tried and the experience wasn't a pleasent one. <br /><br />contrast that with twitter where it can be used on a bus train anywhere you care to think of.<br /><br />Look at the way twitter is being used in Iran. <br /><br />so yes i do stand by the fact that twitter is more accesible than an online blog.golden_ballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17002302454171212086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19717048619963752652009-08-17T15:14:55.944+01:002009-08-17T15:14:55.944+01:00This really is quite tragic to traduce social medi...This really is quite tragic to traduce social media to a 'who is better Twitter or Blogs' totally misses just about every point of web communications strategy.<br /><br />These are all just communications channels which have their different uses but it is the content that matters after all that is what gains readership. It does not matter how many 'friends', 'followers' someone has if the content is not interesting then the reader will not be engaged. <br /><br />The right social media channel should then allow for a dialogue directly with the principal which engages the reader further. <br /><br />So the channel should be chosen either to reflect where the conversation is happening or to instigate one with the relevant target audience but to be really successful they should be used in an interconnected way. Basic comms strategy - how do they choose these people to do these jobs???DianaClaridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01667313218670911193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62161708076435414352009-08-17T14:57:20.004+01:002009-08-17T14:57:20.004+01:00Twitter will never make the news in the way the bl...Twitter will never make the news in the way the blogs have. And before anyone mentions Iran I think it's safe to say those were exceptional circumstances.<br /><br />The focus on twitter has nothing to do with equality it's because they can stage manage a sound bite. Also, it keeps people divided I know the opinions of very many of the people on here and it has the sense of a community (albeit a dysfunctional and mad one).Siberian Torynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72369832022608002892009-08-17T14:48:54.619+01:002009-08-17T14:48:54.619+01:005400 followers vs 1900 ldoesn't look that bril...5400 followers vs 1900 ldoesn't look that brilliant when you consider how long you've been on the political scene (and blogging for that matter), and the fact I've never even heard of Kerry before now.<br /><br />And twitter is more equal, she's very right. You can't delete unwanted comments on twitter, so you can't censor the debate if the responses aren't quite what you'd like.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07153893436547650337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75031516246585732962009-08-17T14:34:25.199+01:002009-08-17T14:34:25.199+01:00What everybody forgets is that Nixon won the Vietn...<i>What everybody forgets is that Nixon won the Vietnam War.</i><br /><br />The power of delusion. Nixon lost the war. The US lost the war. The US pulled out of Vietnam because its forces could achieve no meaningful strategic victory. In point of fact, the US had no idea what a strategic victory in Vietnam would look like.<br /><br />The US pulled out leaving behind a corrupt military junta, largely made up of people who had made their careers collaborating with the French colonial regime and the Japanese occupation. The South Vietnamese military, riven by internal divisions and with no real popular support, was overrun in short order.<br /><br />If a unified Communist Vietnam that provided naval and air bases to the Soviet Union is your idea of an American victory, sure, Nixon won. Meanwhile, back in the real world, those of us who don't suffer from psychiatric problems will deal with reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77003263006660386972009-08-17T13:59:04.981+01:002009-08-17T13:59:04.981+01:00It seems to me a very "New Labour" appro...It seems to me a very "New Labour" approach to prefer Twitter - after all they were kings of the sound bite. <br /><br />If Tony Blair were alive today, Twitter is probably one technology he would adore.Display Namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05166511628620618908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5350956123434475692009-08-17T13:23:38.246+01:002009-08-17T13:23:38.246+01:00No surprise! Kerry prefers Twitter because a prope...No surprise! Kerry prefers Twitter because a proper debate is not possible via that medium. This contrasts with blogs, where her fallacious assertions generally get the thorough rubbishing they deserve.Hedwignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75921460171216084022009-08-17T13:14:32.128+01:002009-08-17T13:14:32.128+01:00Anonymous, me, at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM
I quit...Anonymous, me, at August 17, 2009 11:52 AM<br /><br />I quite forgot to say that the other ubiquitous internet access I come across is Skype. Lovely, people accessing their families in Australia or wherever, complete with webcam & audio, seeing/talking to their so distant grandchildren. I really enjoy being asked to help set that up, and watching the faces light up as they see it can really happen! I depart in a haze of warm feeling and never charge enough!<br /><br />But it won't get votes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58672994461955978382009-08-17T12:46:00.156+01:002009-08-17T12:46:00.156+01:00Today's Independent Poll
"Who is Britain...Today's Independent Poll<br /><br />"Who is Britain's smuggest person?"<br /><br />clearly recognises the power of blogs over Twitter.<br /><br />But tell me, Independent, why are the only politicians we can vote for on your biased and manipulative 'smug list':<br /><br />David Cameron<br />George Galloway<br />Tony Blair<br />Peter Mandelson?<br /><br />No Clegg! And why can't we vote for the smuggest of the smuggest: <br /><br />Gordon Brown?Auntie Flo'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45474486487271173372009-08-17T12:37:26.069+01:002009-08-17T12:37:26.069+01:00@ 'brown has a lot of deaths' ---- Only t...@ 'brown has a lot of deaths' ---- Only time will tell if Afghanistan ends up like Vietnam. What everybody forgets is that Nixon won the Vietnam War. There was a peace treaty signed in Paris and all US soldiers left - leaving behind a democratic South Vietnam.<br /><br />However the Democrats passed a law banning any further US involvement, including - crucially - bombing. Thus reassured the North Vietnamese launched a full scale invasion, quite illegally but the UN did not seem to care, and annexed the country. They then proceeded to murder all of their former allies, the VietCong, that they could find along with many senior South officials. Half a million?<br /><br />The Left stayed silent.<br /><br />If the South had had US guarantees of air support then the North would probably have failed.<br /><br />I feel the situation is analogous to WW1 where we stumbled inadvertently into a new type of war, where a step change in military capability produced problems which took years to solve. The only difference is that in the current case we are being far slower to recognise the advances we need to make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21419172127995205492009-08-17T12:04:09.359+01:002009-08-17T12:04:09.359+01:00Tory MP's don't blog? I suggest she read D...Tory MP's don't blog? I suggest she read Douglas Carswell or even better John Redwood's blog. She might learn something while she's there too.<br /><br />I do wish more MP's would blog, it's as close to direct democracy as the general public can get. You can communicate and even debate through comments with the MP's and it probably gives them a much better idea what the british public is thinking. And it's always fun to correct Tom Harris! At least he generally takes it in good humour. I want Skinner to blog, that'd be good for an argument.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10904181998734097782noreply@blogger.com