tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8836292314896211110..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Consequences of Mr HastilowIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13767868285157431882007-11-08T15:39:00.000+00:002007-11-08T15:39:00.000+00:00Yes, Verity, I celebrate it - and I defend the rig...Yes, Verity, I celebrate it - and I defend the right of a philatelist to celebrate the diversity of stamps. The difference is some stamps are worth more than others, and I don't agree that that is true of Human Beings. It's one thing to point out a difference and say "vive!" to it, but quite another to deride and discriminate.<BR/><BR/>If I didn't appreciate diversity, I wouldn't talk to small-brained self-inhibitors like you!<BR/><BR/>Sharp enough?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59336222274068033222007-11-08T14:20:00.000+00:002007-11-08T14:20:00.000+00:00Yes, I thought I'd gone too, but there are two thr...Yes, I thought I'd gone too, but there are two threads on Hastilow, close together and very similar and I posted on the wrong one by mistake.<BR/><BR/>Oh, those British mahatamas! No other nation has such a keen hunger to see itself as superior to its fellow citizens as the English. Not the British. The English. <BR/><BR/>Only one race! The human race! Am I right in assuming you don't 'celebrate diversity' then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14475940272988758292007-11-07T17:29:00.000+00:002007-11-07T17:29:00.000+00:00Not worth the application of one part of one brain...Not worth the application of one part of one brain cell. Ignorance is bliss for some.<BR/><BR/>There's only one race, Verity, the big one known as the human race. <BR/><BR/>Our differences look minuscule from not very far above - there really isn't much point getting aerated, as I'm about as likely to come round to your view as you are to mine. Whose will prevail? Whose are more consistent with spreading wealth-creation and opportunity? At least I occasionally have the humility to admit I'm not sure.<BR/><BR/>I thought you'd gone anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67803230973101250222007-11-07T14:34:00.000+00:002007-11-07T14:34:00.000+00:00Anonymous 1:11 - Your generous wish that I enjoy m...Anonymous 1:11 - Your generous wish that I enjoy my ignorance, as defined by a halfwit such as yourself, is too trite,darling. Surely your brain cells, both of them, can come up with something sharper than that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68744218308749931092007-11-07T13:11:00.000+00:002007-11-07T13:11:00.000+00:00"Arguing with individuals with a raging inferiorit..."Arguing with individuals with a raging inferiority complex and a sad lack of education "<BR/><BR/>It's the fact that you might influence others that I take you to task, and you're right, it's no fun to argue with a no-brain, but thanks for your concern. Enjoy your ignorance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59433572608420945002007-11-06T14:18:00.000+00:002007-11-06T14:18:00.000+00:00Intolerance of Bigotry (the definition of which yo...Intolerance of Bigotry (the definition of which you understand as well as you understand "racism") ... so British. Any little chance to elevate yourself above others and feel a tiny glow of superiority. If the English have one defining characteristic, it's a desire to feel superior to other people. I put it down to the class system, which doesn't exist any more, but lingers in the national psyche. You are entitled to your illusions. <BR/><BR/>I do not believe for one instant that you give a damn' about islam or immigrants. Your posts ring false and your deliberate (or worse, ignorant) misinterpretation of what others write advertises that.<BR/><BR/>Someone, an Anonymous, probably you, wrote that when I wrote "races", I had really meant to write "nationalities". I was then obliged to explain the difference to him. I also had to explain that a religion is a belief system freely adopted and that race is a condition of birth. Thus, being a racist makes no sense.<BR/><BR/>However, islam is not a race and nor is it a nationality, as I have been at some pains to point out.<BR/><BR/>Manfarang - and your point? I pointed out that Aryans (including Bosnians) are among the adherents of Islam. And there are a few assorted moonbats scattered around Western Europe who have adopted this bizarre belief system. What is your problem?<BR/><BR/>Intolerance - Arguing with individuals with a raging inferiority complex and a sad lack of education is no fun and I am off this thread. Insult away! - I won't be reading your it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37736700793903899782007-11-06T13:44:00.000+00:002007-11-06T13:44:00.000+00:00Tapestry wrote,“Enoch was wrong. There have been m...Tapestry wrote,<BR/><BR/>“Enoch was wrong. There have been millions of immigrants but no rivers of blood.”<BR/><BR/>Oh, is that so! What about the riots in Brixton in 1981 and 1995. Wasn’t PC Blakelock hacked to death with machetes during the Broadwater Farm riots, in 1985. Then, of course, there were the riots in Toxteth in 1981 when more than 500 police officers were injured. We should not forget either, the riots in Bradford and Oldham during the summer of 2001.<BR/><BR/>I’m not apportioned blame on any ethnic group, but the fact of the matter is that all of these incidents involved racial clashes…..and plenty of blood!Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46482234471838061532007-11-06T13:32:00.000+00:002007-11-06T13:32:00.000+00:00Anonymous: Quite right, Boris should be nailed whe...Anonymous: Quite right, Boris should be nailed when and only when he goofs.<BR/><BR/>I've long held the belief that Boris is the fall guy for dave.<BR/><BR/>Note that Boris always (always) serves up a corker, just before sensible Dave delivers his unwritten (but well written and rehearsed) speeches.<BR/><BR/>If you say Boris is not a racist then so be it. If you say he's a Tory, so be it. If you say he's up for mayor and stands a chance then so be it.<BR/><BR/>Put all that together and I absolutely guarantee you that Boris will deliver into our hands.<BR/><BR/>I'm not entirelt convinced that you have to be a racist (a big no no in politics) to say something racist.There is a difference between gassing Jews and wanting immigration curtailed.<BR/><BR/>I doubt that the bufoon in Boris will be suppressed by a first class graduate.<BR/>|Dave reads all my blogs and he will have Boris's notice already written out ready for the day.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9282260394192549972007-11-06T12:59:00.000+00:002007-11-06T12:59:00.000+00:00Manfarang - You're right to point that out, but th...Manfarang - You're right to point that out, but there isn't any point allowing bigots to get the debate to switch to the "differences" between races - it just plays into the hands of bigots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72278764354492264002007-11-06T11:42:00.000+00:002007-11-06T11:42:00.000+00:00"It is perfectly possible to have a reasonable deb..."It is perfectly possible to have a reasonable debate about the amount of change that our society and infrastructure can accommodate without invoking the spirit of Enoch Powell." said Alex.<BR/><BR/>It is precisely because one cannot approach the subject from an open perspective, wherein all views are properly taken account of, that we have failed to arrive at an accomodation of views. Setting up honest views of former politicians, sticking your fingers in your ears and chanying the 'Racist, Racist' mantra of the vested interest groups is not an option anymore. Immigration policy has been bedevilled by a schizophrenic approach that acknowledges a problem and then refuses to take on board the views of the majority in its solution. Nanny knows best, it would still seem. Most politicians seem to have arrived at the conclusion that unfettered immigration is a drain on public resources within the economy but nobody dare postulate an optimum figure for UK population. Enoch was right on immigration; he was right on the Common Market and its salami-slicing tendency to subvert civil liberties. It was Grocer Heath and his cohorts that engineered the misreporting of his views and his subsequent character assassination.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47235339606932380452007-11-06T08:19:00.000+00:002007-11-06T08:19:00.000+00:00I look forward to These are Semites , Nubians and ...I look forward to These are Semites , Nubians and Aryans being referred to in debates, but only when a time machine is invented to take us to the world you inhabit "verity" (a veritable bore).<BR/><BR/>My explanation for your offence (though fear is a better word) at Trevor Phillips' skin colour is that your tone is racist, and childish. Not to mention extremely out-moded. There is a sensible debate to be had about immigration, but thankfully it won't involve people like you at its centre. <BR/><BR/>"These are Semites (Arabs), Nubians and Aryans" PUH-LEASE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47056692830602858002007-11-06T02:26:00.000+00:002007-11-06T02:26:00.000+00:00VerityThe Bosnians are slavs(Europeans) with a tra...Verity<BR/>The Bosnians are slavs(Europeans) with a tradition of sufi Islam.<BR/>The Iranians are shi'as which is not exactly unreformed.<BR/>I believe the migration figures include those coming from Australia,New Zealand and South Africa so a number of them would be of British descent.Manfaranghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16672026288937285646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4491244436316506432007-11-05T22:31:00.000+00:002007-11-05T22:31:00.000+00:00Gary Elsby 'Hastilow has set the agenda and my gue...Gary Elsby 'Hastilow has set the agenda and my guess is that Boris is eager to let rip. Not saying that Boris is racist or defends a racist championing racism of the last Century BUT...' <BR/><BR/>What are you talking about, boyo ? <BR/><BR/>Boris has repeatedly pointed out that he has roots from a number of different nations and religions [I think he has claimed that he has Jewish, Christian and Moslem roots back at his great-granparents age] so I think it is entirely wrong and very scurrilous of you to suggest that Boris is anti immigration. <BR/><BR/>True, he has made some ill-judged remarks, but I think the lesson of Mr Hastilow is that one should see things in the round, and if one has a track record of upsetting the applecart, well then you deserve to be castigated, but not before..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60645202171342621462007-11-05T21:18:00.000+00:002007-11-05T21:18:00.000+00:00liberalhammerActually he said "people on the doors...liberalhammer<BR/><BR/>Actually he said "people on the doorstep are saying that Enoch was right". So since when was reporting what other people were saying a hanging offence?Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7651985767680662222007-11-05T21:12:00.000+00:002007-11-05T21:12:00.000+00:00It doesn't matter how you wrap it up, this is a ma...It doesn't matter how you wrap it up, this is a major issue that voter's want addressed. David Cameron doesn't want it addressed - except on his terms, which is rather arrogant, to say the least - because it may give the socialists a rod to beat him with.<BR/><BR/>Well, that's life. Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell spent almost 10 years gagging anything that breathed and we were all repulsed.<BR/><BR/>The voters want to talk about immigration. Cameron only owns 1/60000000th of Britain. He simply does not get to decide how issues are addressed. <BR/><BR/>Do people really think the voters are going to vote for the Conservatives "on trust" - like a dog with a biscuit on its nose? Because they won't. They want the issue aired and they want a robust debate in which all opinions are heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62765960967634552862007-11-05T17:55:00.000+00:002007-11-05T17:55:00.000+00:00They will remeber Adolph Hitler for a long time af...They will remeber Adolph Hitler for a long time after they forget Enoch Powell, whom is most(infamous for 'rivers of blood' and er...erm.<BR/><BR/>Adolph went to all the kiddies parties in the SS hotel at Berchesgarten. 'Uncle' Adolph is always seen happy and jovial as he joins in the party games.<BR/><BR/>There are many people today who still worship his causes.<BR/><BR/>PS. As a paranoid Jew hater, he was responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews and is ultimately responsible for over 30 Million others.<BR/><BR/>Nice with SS kids though.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92146637187436103512007-11-05T17:40:00.000+00:002007-11-05T17:40:00.000+00:00I've long held the belief that Boris will deliver ...I've long held the belief that Boris will deliver for Labour in London.<BR/><BR/>Hastilow has set the agenda and my guess is that Boris is eager to let rip. Not saying that Boris is racist or defends a racist championing racism of the last Century BUT...<BR/><BR/>This is the big topic and Boris is under starters orders.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82979230292459381052007-11-05T17:28:00.000+00:002007-11-05T17:28:00.000+00:00Liberal Hammer - In other words, you think voters ...Liberal Hammer - In other words, you think voters should intuit what the party (any party) is going to do about immigration and not expect to be told in advance?<BR/><BR/>This is democracy? Self-censorship and thought Fascism?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90460037909125401682007-11-05T17:02:00.000+00:002007-11-05T17:02:00.000+00:00Would that be the same Enoch Powell that was laid ...Would that be the same Enoch Powell that was laid in State for two days at Westminster Abbey, with tens of thousands passing by his Coffin.<BR/>No one liked him did they!.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28778645247135215682007-11-05T17:01:00.000+00:002007-11-05T17:01:00.000+00:00Anyone who says 'Enoch was right' is stupid on too...Anyone who says 'Enoch was right' is stupid on too many levels to go into here. Suffice to say that after Cameron has been trying to raise immigration in a thoughtful way this whohe moron has played into Labour's hands.<BR/><BR/>As all parties recognise that immigration has both advantages and disadvantages the person making this idiotic comment deserves everything they get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19270068018949236302007-11-05T16:54:00.000+00:002007-11-05T16:54:00.000+00:00Tolerance(but only of One Worlders and The New Wor...Tolerance(but only of One Worlders and The New World Order) 3:23 writes this in response to my correct statement that people of two or three races buy into the islamic belief system:<BR/><BR/>"[It's] "completely untrue. By "races" I assume you mean "nationalities",<BR/><BR/>Why did you assume that? When I write "races", I mean "races". See, "nationalities" is spelled entirely differently and has absolutely no bearing on "race". We cannot allow the socialists to keep clouding up definitions.<BR/><BR/>Adherents of the Dark Ages, unreformed islamic belief system come, in the main, from three races. These are Semites (Arabs), Nubians and Aryans (Iranians, Bosnians, Pakistanis and a little smattering of attention-seekers in W Europe). <BR/><BR/>See, that's why I wrote "races". I commend you to look the word up in the dictionary.<BR/><BR/>Explain why you write that the colour of Trevor Phillps's skin seems to offend me. In what sense? Could you explain, please? You seem to be a very muddled thinker with reading comprehension problems.<BR/><BR/>I intuit that you were never invited onto your school's debating team?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20953028354005835872007-11-05T16:33:00.000+00:002007-11-05T16:33:00.000+00:00I'm quite surprised that given the furore over the...I'm quite surprised that given the furore over the 1.5M immigrant workers, that Brown's active support for Turkish membership of the EU has not been attacked by the Tories. If you think the East European invasion of the UK is bad, just wait until the Turks arrive...in their millions!Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55303748902106727842007-11-05T16:28:00.000+00:002007-11-05T16:28:00.000+00:00Tolerance.Please give me chapter and verse the evi...Tolerance.<BR/><BR/>Please give me chapter and verse the evidence to<BR/>support your outrageous statement:- <BR/>"<BR/>The colour of Trevor Phillips skin seems to offend you as it offended Powell. It has no influence on the power of his perfectly reasonable voice."<BR/><BR/>Unlike you I knew him and I can tell you he most certainly was not racist.<BR/><BR/>I find your statement insulting but worse, as you cannot back it up, indeed fraudulent!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53241783299296998052007-11-05T16:23:00.001+00:002007-11-05T16:23:00.001+00:00What we are talking about ir truth. Free speech.In...What we are talking about ir truth. Free speech.<BR/><BR/>In a true democracy people can say what they wish and people defend to the death their right to speak it - even if one disagrees with it!<BR/><BR/>Cameron has spoken! The Conservative Party cannot tolerate freedom of expression. HE can talk about one legged Lithuanian Lesbians - and that is a joke!! and therefore okay but tell the Truth about one of the finest brains the Conservative Party ever had and.......get out!<BR/><BR/>It gets worse in this democracy of ours read this:- Just to give you a bit of a clue as to what we're up against I'd like to introduce you to the most Orwellian declaration of intent that I have ever read in a mainstream British newspaper.<BR/><BR/>The journalist who wrote what you are about to read, felt secure enough in his own elite, establishment role to lay his totalitarian beliefs on the line in his own column and, as the newspaper's editor and owners were content to see such material published, one must presume that they also were not averse to seeing such a Brave New World imposed upon the dumb, British herd.<BR/><BR/>This is what was said:<BR/><BR/>"Widespread and vigorous miscegenation (race mixing)... is the best answer... <BR/><BR/>”Teachers are the most effective anti-racist campaigners in the country, this means more than education in other religions, it means a form of political education. Only people who understand the economic forces changing their world, threatening them... have a chance of being immune to the old tribal chants. And the final answer, frankly, is the vigorous use of state power to coerce and repress... I firmly believe that repression can be a great, civilising instrument for good. Stamp hard on certain 'natural' beliefs for long enough and you can almost kill them off... A new Race Relations Act will impose the will of the state on millions of other lives too."<BR/><BR/>When I read this article I felt the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.<BR/><BR/>1984? Animal Farm? We had arrived, we were there already. It wasn't paranoia after all, it was very, very real. <BR/><BR/>It didn't matter what we did, it didn't matter what we said, it didn't matter what we wanted, it didn't matter how we voted, the same old dark manipulators would always be in charge and we better start getting used to it, or else.<BR/><BR/>The liberal commissar responsible for the casual sabre rattle recorded above, was none other than that most languid Master of political ceremonies, Andrew Marr, top bloke at the BBC and one of the most powerful political journalists of the age. <BR/><BR/>The chattering classes have every bit as much of a hold over our lives as the politicians do. <BR/><BR/>They hand our opinions to us on a plate, they shape our beliefs and attitudes. Everything the media throws at us, from cradle to grave, affects the way we behave and think. <BR/><BR/>Shiny eyed zealots such as Andrew Marr and Brown do not care what we want or feel, they care only for the promised land that their wisdom, their insight and their determination will lead us on to in the future. <BR/><BR/>So now you know.<BR/><BR/>Now you know what THEY have been doing all this time.<BR/><BR/>Now you know what THEY have been thinking all this time.<BR/><BR/>Now you know what THEY are still doing and thinking and will carry on doing and thinking until THEY are stopped.<BR/><BR/>And they won't stop, you know. <BR/><BR/>They won't, all of a sudden, come to their senses. They won't change their minds and have some kind of Damascene conversion when they realise what terrible damage their idiot, schoolboy Bolshevism has done to us.<BR/><BR/>You see, we don't count, they do. We don't know, they do. It'll be good for us in the long run, you see. <BR/><BR/>We don't seem to have realised that "repression can be a great, civilising instrument for good". We don't seem to be aware that if evangelistic upper-crust brainboxes like Marr and Brown "stamp hard on certain natural beliefs for long enough" and "kill them off", why, we'll all live happily ever after in their global, elite-run Wonderland!<BR/><BR/>That's us Andrew Marr is talking about, folks.<BR/><BR/>The British people.<BR/><BR/>Actually, as Marr is Scottish and Broon is Scots-Irish, I reckon their desire to "coerce", "repress" "civilise" and "miscegenate" is aimed pretty exclusively at the English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66578430452190502742007-11-05T16:23:00.000+00:002007-11-05T16:23:00.000+00:00Politics is a bit more complicated then just sayin...Politics is a bit more complicated then just saying the first thing that pops into your head. If you wanted to say something intelligent about immigration, then just about the last thing you would do is to hark back to Enoch Powell's classic example of how not to do it. Immigration is a real issue that needs to be discussed in measured terms that gives no ammunition to our political enemies. A candidate that cannot manage that places a serious question mark on their suitability for the job.Steve Horganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13689714700049747836noreply@blogger.com