tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8641037346488260063..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Mail Staff to Rebel Against Pro-Brown Stance?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86100163433908128492007-07-28T16:07:00.000+01:002007-07-28T16:07:00.000+01:00Geezer: are you seriously contending that those by...Geezer: are you seriously contending that those by-elections were not terrible for the Tories and very particularly for Dave-id Cameron?<BR/><BR/>Obviously the Labour share fell. These were by-elections. We are incumbents and in government. But these were fantastic results for LP and saying any different makes you seem like an idiot, which I'm sure you're not really.<BR/><BR/>Love RuPaul reference ... ha ha ... so tall and so lean and so beautiful ... but can't help think the personal attacks in general are not the way to go ...Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42844409852866786212007-07-28T00:14:00.000+01:002007-07-28T00:14:00.000+01:00Those two aircraft carriers that Gollum announced....Those two aircraft carriers that Gollum announced...are they in addition to the two that Tone announced last year? And the £135m allocated for the rebuilding of Birmingham New Street Station, is that another on top of what the £135m already promised?<BR/><BR/>No. It mut be true. After all, the polls say that Broon is a legal decent honest and truthful 'regular type' of PM, who wouldn't stoop to anything as low as spin (like announcing spending that's already been announced)…and our guardians of truth, those fearless men and women of our exalted corps of journalists would surely have spotted if he was pulling a fast one.<BR/><BR/>Four aircraft carriers, eh! Britannia will surely rule the waves once more. In fact is that the sound of celebratory orgasms I hear coming from the offices of the ‘Snail on Monday’ ?....or is it just a bunch of w*****s at work?Realfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05186479566194167911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91561484655160800732007-07-27T23:17:00.000+01:002007-07-27T23:17:00.000+01:00Sackerson - If it appears that Gollum Brown cannot...Sackerson - If it appears that Gollum Brown cannot get his precous by the current system don`t worry .. there will very soon be some " Constitutional Reform " to his advantage.<BR/><BR/>Did Peter Hitchens start on the left I know Christopher did. Some of his old stuff is pricelessNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66544121914305358872007-07-27T22:03:00.000+01:002007-07-27T22:03:00.000+01:00S, Wouldn't it be great if we woke up and the Amer...S, Wouldn't it be great if we woke up and the American constitution had been agreed as the pattern for our constitution.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71216093042806007072007-07-27T16:19:00.000+01:002007-07-27T16:19:00.000+01:00HG:Like the Californian Proposition 13, demanding ...HG:<BR/><BR/>Like the Californian Proposition 13, demanding a cut in State taxation, that (despite the warning from economists) turned CA into the most prosperous State in the Union? Brilliant idea!Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410040031410954403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25370942591703799122007-07-27T15:17:00.000+01:002007-07-27T15:17:00.000+01:00"If the media don't want to play our records, Newm..."If the media don't want to play our records, Newmania, by-pass them.go through street level leafleting direct to voters. it will get the message delivered, and win far more respect to see a human face behind the message."<BR/><BR/>Naive in the extreme.Any party on its way to Number 10 needs a positive press.The fact is Cameron was the story for 18 months , now Brown is the story.Each PMQs is followed with news reports leading on some policy announcement from Brown.Brown has momentum, it may not last but for the time being there is little the Tories can do about it.<BR/><BR/>As for The Mail.It's readers will overwhelmingly vote Tory as they have always done.A non story...Tigernethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07193351027438018219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65103409610116018682007-07-27T14:15:00.000+01:002007-07-27T14:15:00.000+01:00Binding referendums would help Sackerson; referend...Binding referendums would help Sackerson; referendums arising from popular initiative which, when voted on, either instigate new legislation or annul extant legislation.<BR/><BR/>When the state has become as intrusive and extensive in its dealings with citizens as has ours, a single vote every few years should the Executive decide to have one, is not nearly enough but totalitarian, not democratic.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57776009162977920822007-07-27T13:54:00.000+01:002007-07-27T13:54:00.000+01:00Newmania, I can see your point of view, though Hit...Newmania, I can see your point of view, though Hitchens started from the left. I guess he discovered that concern and respect for ordinary people is not actually the real business of the left. <BR/><BR/>But we do seem to have a problem with our system of representative democracy - I've lived in a number of places and never had an MP I voted for. Currently I'm in a constituency with a nuke-proof Labour majority. in over 20 years, they've never even sent someone to ask for my vote. The first time I heard Roy Hattersley's voice live was from the megaphone on the Party car when he retired, saying in effect, "So long, and thanks for all the fish". It seems that to get a change of government you have to have a disaster, so you are forced to wish your country ill to wish it well.<BR/><BR/>What's the answer? Do we need a different voting system?Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410040031410954403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60895940757058443142007-07-27T12:56:00.000+01:002007-07-27T12:56:00.000+01:00If the media don't want to play our records, Newma...If the media don't want to play our records, Newmania, by-pass them.<BR/><BR/>go through street level leafleting direct to voters. it will get the message delivered, and win far more respect to see a human face behind the message.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15399131122854018362007-07-27T12:55:00.000+01:002007-07-27T12:55:00.000+01:00Simon said... The Right is endlessly whining about...Simon said... <I>The Right is endlessly whining about lack of support from papers such as the Mail and the Telegraph, as if the Tories are owed it as of right. In fact, papers are rarely slavish - some of the most trenchant attacks on Labout over the years came from the Guardian and, to a lesser extent, the Independent. Support has to be earned.</I><BR/><BR/>The BBC have attacked Labour too. The only thing is Simon, all these attacks have been from the left, so they do not add weight to your argument.<BR/><BR/>The Tory leadership has been its own worst enemy for not going after Brown. Maybe that will change sooner rather than later. When it does, maybe the lazy hacks throughout the MSM might realise there are some stories out there showing Brown is not the straight guy he claims to be.<BR/><BR/>The fact is too many people rely on what the press feeds them. If the press decides to turn a blind eye because some stories do not fit their current agenda, then people will not get a fair reflection of the state of affairs.<BR/><BR/>That is why the Tories need to step up several gears and go to work loudly explaining Labour's failings and Brown's spin, distancing from his own policies, incompetence and faux sincerity.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40217611212972917332007-07-27T12:43:00.000+01:002007-07-27T12:43:00.000+01:00Regretably the Tories will have to employ an "Alis...Regretably the Tories will have to employ an "Alister Campbell" type to get the media to treat us fairly.<BR/><BR/>Following the treatment of Kinnock it was the only way Labour could deal with their media opposition.<BR/><BR/>The "30 pieces of silver" seems a very apt description for Heffer, Daley, Hitchens, Pascoe-Watson, Phillips and Littlejohn plus the Times hacks.<BR/><BR/>PS I never knew that Alister Campbell was behind that ex BBC "independent" MP.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05342891432159766886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14531512145595384372007-07-27T12:30:00.000+01:002007-07-27T12:30:00.000+01:00Sackerson I am getting sick to the proverbial back...Sackerson<BR/> <BR/><BR/>I am getting sick to the proverbial back teeth with right wing commentators who unlike their opposite numbers can never see anything good about the only Party representing their views.<BR/><BR/>Heffer <BR/>Daley<BR/>Hitchens <BR/><BR/>and others are , after all only in the business of selling their twittering scribble and their incessant shrieking faux outrage becomes increasingly pointless not to say subject to diminishing returns of entertainment . They will all head the way of George Walden whose nasty self aggrandising book “Time To Emigrate “ is so queasily overfull of his intellectual ,soi disant, conciet I could not finish it .<BR/>What do they get for handing the country to Brown and his One Party Fascism.<BR/>Thirty Pieces of Silver ? .................and the rest.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73811294198796154712007-07-27T11:47:00.000+01:002007-07-27T11:47:00.000+01:00In a way, I feel for Gordon Brown. He has been han...In a way, I feel for Gordon Brown. He has been handed a thoroughly sucked orange by Blair, who spent his last few months taking the pith as well. Now he's also finding that the top job needs a skill set he doesn't necessarily have, like Scotty taking over the Enterprise. <BR/><BR/>Similarly, Blair was in the wrong post for 10 years - his charm and persuasion might have achieved so much if he'd been Foreign Secretary. Instead, he made himself the absentee landlord of a crumbling democracy.<BR/><BR/>Is Peter Hitchens right to say that we need both major parties to fall apart before we can get reconnection to the people?Sackersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09410040031410954403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18440033962108296272007-07-27T10:27:00.000+01:002007-07-27T10:27:00.000+01:00It's utterly bizarre that within our "free" press ...It's utterly bizarre that within our "free" press there is such editorial control and strict partisanship. I haven't bought a paper for ages but when I do I like the fact that The Times has pro-Labour and anti-Labour articles on the same page.<BR/><BR/>I also think that everybody sees through this right-wing Brownism on casinos, cannabis and booze - apart from the Mail readers apparently.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57042868676844254872007-07-27T10:16:00.000+01:002007-07-27T10:16:00.000+01:00Broon claims he has a ministry of all the talents....Broon claims he has a ministry of all the talents. A quick cross check of the cabinet shows that they have a common background, they have emerged from the morass of student politics, local government, quangos, pressure groups, charities and the not for profit sectors of the economy. Most seem to have no direct connection or involvement with wealth creation or profitable businesses. It is hardly a ministry of all the talents, perhaps even a minstry of the talentless, but Cameron and his minions don't lay into Broon for this.<BR/><BR/>Broon stands for a centalised Whitehall (Gordon) knows best approach, but it clearly doesn't work, the response to the flooding is slow, Milliband and Beckett fail to ensure that flood defences were kept in order but DC does little to highlight Broon and Bliar's failings. Ainsworth was on C4 News the other night - almost came over as a complete waste of space, and rather unconvincing.<BR/><BR/>Broon offers £600m rising to £800m on flood defences - small beer compared to capital spending by the water companies. But is this for coastal or river defences in Britain, or partiuclarly England. The Tories have to hold Broon to account, unless they do they face anther period out of power.<BR/><BR/>Blair spends 3 weeks cavorting around the country like a showman with Broon in the wings - did DC attack this dual premiership or not. <BR/><BR/>Broon claims that it is a new government - but Broon was Chancellor of the Exchequer for 10 years for Blair and so somehow isn't tarnished by Blair. If that isn't spin I don't know what is.<BR/><BR/>The list of Nulab failings is long, tax credits, NHS computer systems, Child Support Agency, pensions, flood defences, a shambolic transport policy, education, computerised recruitment of doctors, etc. There are plenty of areas where Broon and Co have made a mess of things, yet silence is the order of the day.<BR/><BR/>The Tories had been the most ruthless political party in Western Europe, holding power in Britain for much of the 20th Century, yet since 1997 they have allowed themselves to be constantly outmanoeverd by NuLab. Does DC have enough nous to revese this trend? I not sure that he is the right man for the job of turfing Broon and NuLab out. DC has not been playing to his strengths since Blair stepped aside, and although Broon is charisma free, he is ruthless and determined to retain power. PMQs aside what has DC done to damnage Broon's reputation? Perhaps he is hoping that a continued stock market crash will do the job instead.dr spynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06718253527097258688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79104477373480096202007-07-27T09:54:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:54:00.000+01:00Simon at “July 26, 2007 10:44 PM” is spot on.A ...Simon at “July 26, 2007 10:44 PM” is spot on.<BR/><BR/>A journ worth his salt can and should be able to switch between one political leaning to another at the drop of a hat, that is their job to write what the boss tells them. They are not policy makers or opinion shapers, they are writers. Opinion is left to the “Columnists”, not the work force who report the news for the paper. The fact that Daily Mail Journos are kicking up a fuss indicates that the lunatics seem to control the asylum, who the hell do they think they are.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08154883691100377834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70078557578083963042007-07-27T09:49:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:49:00.000+01:00Why would you expoect the Mai to support Cameron?I...Why would you expoect the Mai to support Cameron?<BR/><BR/>It is a Conservative newspaper afterall.<BR/><BR/>And Littlejohn was Highly critical of CMDs Jolly to africa. The title of his Article:<BR/><BR/><B>Out of Africa Dave, it's time to get serious</B><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/columnists.html?in_page_id=1772&in_article_id=470453&in_author_id=322" REL="nofollow">LINK</A>Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393161742162920943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45237936155686796932007-07-27T09:38:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:38:00.000+01:00Thank you WW@12.16.How exciting, perhaps the Labou...Thank you WW@12.16.<BR/>How exciting, perhaps the Labour Leader intends to reincarnate the British aircraft industry so that there will be planes to fly off the carriers, the British steel industry and even, one day, the British car industry, too.<BR/><BR/>Though building the ships in 5 (or is it 3? or some other number) bits and then welding the bits together at Rosyth is very daring. Still, it does spread the work about in the way the unions wanted.<BR/><BR/>Poland has a highly skilled shipbuilding workforce so that should help.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32771975078584411272007-07-27T09:28:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:28:00.000+01:00my mate works at the gordian - for about 20 years....my mate works at the gordian - for about 20 years. he tells me that he finds working there less fun now as they are working within such tight controls over what they are allowed to say.<BR/><BR/>the media have left reality somewhere behind. it's time to leave them behind. take to direct communications to voters via leaflet.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70642456385182126902007-07-27T09:26:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:26:00.000+01:00Hatfield Girl, yes absolutely the point. Cui Bono...Hatfield Girl, yes absolutely the point. Cui Bono, eh?<BR/><BR/>Councillor Piper:"Try first principles... that is try getting some bloody principles first, then someone might listen". <BR/>Hilarious! This is from a <I>Labour</I> councillor??Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49255596642061514362007-07-27T09:25:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:25:00.000+01:00pleased you feel you are competent to speak on beh...pleased you feel you are competent to speak on behalf of the dumbest voter, madasafish.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48107386880952816072007-07-27T09:19:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:19:00.000+01:00Face it.For a political party to be elected it mus...Face it.<BR/><BR/>For a political party to be elected it must be organised... and disciplined .. cos it sure needs to be to be a Government. Labour learned that after 10 years in Oposition... it took another 9 to be elected.<BR/><BR/>Now the current Conservative front bench is a shadow ministry of no talent and the party id indisciplined and disorganised.<BR/><BR/>Frankly IF they were voted into power they would make a mess of it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Even the dumbest voter can sense that...Madasafishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109237198481955714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67792557734824783792007-07-27T09:07:00.000+01:002007-07-27T09:07:00.000+01:00I reckon both the Mail and Brown are trying to lul...I reckon both the Mail and Brown are trying to lull each other into a false sense of security. <BR/> It won't last long.anthonynorthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06680944720744601697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39583634808083189962007-07-27T08:54:00.000+01:002007-07-27T08:54:00.000+01:00If Kinnock had been there for the ERM Newmania, we...If Kinnock had been there for the ERM Newmania, we would have been thrown back to the 1960's and had taxes back to 90%. No thanks. If only we had not had the europhiles running the Conservative Party at that time, we would have avoided it all.<BR/><BR/>The Mail staff have noticed that their newspaper has gone nuts - just coincidentally at the same moment exactly as Murdoch launches attacks on Cameron in all his media and the BBC start to act strangely blanking Cameron's visits to flood-stricken Witney and so on.<BR/><BR/>Several polls emerge which have all dropped 'others' to around 10% from 15% for some reason ignoring the current BNP surge which is about 5% nationally or possibly more.<BR/><BR/>The figure allocated to Brown looks quite flattering at over 40% but it is a fabrication. And he knows it.<BR/><BR/>What's it all about?<BR/><BR/>There is no obvious strategy to go for an election by Brown as he knows that he is vulnerable. If he doubted it Sedgefield has shown him with his vote down 14% in favour of 9% to the BNP and 5% more going to the LD's.<BR/><BR/>what stands out a mile is that all these falsified 'polls'(See the pathetic ICM Guardian apology yesterday for their misleading attempts) and news coverage 'errors' (blanking Cameron's flood visits) are targeted on something, as they are so coordinated in time and in purpose.<BR/><BR/>this is a bare faced assassination attempt on Cameron exactly like the one in October 2003 that was launched against IDS.<BR/><BR/>Cameron is standing firm against the EU Constution which is why Brown is getting such biassed media cooperation against Cameron. People can sense that things are a bit odd and it opens up an opportunity for Cameron.<BR/><BR/>He could start working directly to voters bypassing the media to get his messaage out. By leafleting stories showing how the media are in effect not communicating the truth, he could win support. It's time to get the foot soldiers going.<BR/><BR/>Having this other channel working for him would mean he could talk about the EU Constitution in print without having to be talking too much about it in the media, being pilloried as a xenophobe etc.<BR/><BR/>To survive in the current onslaught, which he will, he needs two faces...one for the media and one for the voters.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12291625267885744272007-07-27T08:53:00.000+01:002007-07-27T08:53:00.000+01:00It's interesting that despite the "less informed" ...It's interesting that despite the "less informed" Labour apparatchiks who enjoy slagging off "The Daily Mail" and its readership Gordon knows he has to win them over if he has any hope of securing a 4th term of government. There are a lot of marginal seats in middle england where the sitting Labour MP has a slim majority with the Conservatives in second place. If he can stop enough of these people switching to or voting Conservative by appearing more "conservative" than Cameron and at the same time getting his tame media to attack the Conservative leader and his party for vague;touchy-feely liberal tendencies whilst sublimily attaching Blair's image of "all spin no substance" to Cameron whilst he attaches to himself an image of serious, effective and capable,short on spin and big on substance - he's probably won and the games up for "David Cameron's Conservative Party"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com