tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8373383732410692529..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: No Wonder Damian Green Was OffendedIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55492131669181524482008-12-02T20:21:00.000+00:002008-12-02T20:21:00.000+00:00trevorsdenBut "cultivating" is used for cannabis f...trevorsden<BR/><BR/>But "cultivating" is used for cannabis factories, so by suggesting that (according to Iain's theory of police smear) you're accusing Green of being a drugs manufacturer and dealer. <BR/><BR/>"grooming" is also used for terrorists (particularly over the internet) <BR/><BR/>"recruiting" would be a leftover from the cold war, which would suggest Marxist spies. <BR/><BR/>"touchy" would be a good word, as would "misdirection" because that's what the MPs are being. <BR/><BR/>"plant" is also a good word, as in "I wonder if the Conservatives planted that guy there just to spy on the Home Office?"<BR/><BR/>So - "The continuing pathetic attempts by labour die hards is just plain laughable."<BR/><BR/>Yes. It is. As laughable as the attempts by Tory die hards to feign offence, call up the hallowed integrity of Parliament (is there any?) in an attempt to create a nice little smokescreen. <BR/><BR/>I note after Osborne's shennanigans the Ross/Brand/BBC-is-evil debacle suddenly got top billing. <BR/><BR/>I also note that since Green got into the papers, the Barrowman-and-his-willy-and-the-BBC-is-still-evil is now all the rage.<BR/><BR/>Another smokescreen?<BR/><BR/>Coincidence? <BR/><BR/>Of course it is.... Iain will no doubt say.<BR/><BR/>Carl EveCarl Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03930750600999601721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11674544965896220962008-12-02T14:57:00.000+00:002008-12-02T14:57:00.000+00:00In common media parlance, this is how the term 'gr...In common media parlance, this is how the term 'grooming' is used:<BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/7760717.stmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57160981682891631112008-12-02T14:29:00.000+00:002008-12-02T14:29:00.000+00:00I see Chris Paul and David Boothroyd are still try...I see Chris Paul and David Boothroyd are still trying to annoy everyone with their Nuremberg-style defences. We all know 'grooming' is a term used for paedios. This is why the term was used as Zanulabour wish to confuse the public about this MP just guilty of doing his job. No wonder the Labour leadership keeps behaving badly when they have such sycophants encouraging them. Such blind devotion to their morally bankrupt leadership is the reason people like me who once loved Labour would sooner cut off our own arms than vote for that odious party again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80527476701138832972008-12-01T21:23:00.000+00:002008-12-01T21:23:00.000+00:00Well, you don't stand by it if you rely on present...Well, you don't stand by it if you rely on presenting the word's use in a certain context (you said "the word 'grooming' has only one connotation", using no qualifying text about context), but as we've arrived at context, what context do you mean exactly?<BR/><BR/>All we know for sure is that it is alleged that the word may have been used by the police at some stage during questioning.<BR/><BR/>This was (one assumes rather graciously) interpreted a certain way by Green... according to "friends" and "senior Conservatives".<BR/><BR/>You clearly fill in the gaps for yourself here while speculating that the police have "fevered imaginations".<BR/><BR/>C'mon...Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17509413526229709352008-12-01T21:04:00.001+00:002008-12-01T21:04:00.001+00:00Iain,It's been a while since I dealt with this but...Iain,<BR/><BR/>It's been a while since I dealt with this but I believe he gets a copy if he is charged.<BR/><BR/>I assume he could also get a copy if he ends up suing them but I suppose that all depends how things pan out.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35914967827081209522008-12-01T21:04:00.000+00:002008-12-01T21:04:00.000+00:00Tim, Completely stand by it. In this context it do...Tim, Completely stand by it. In this context it does have perverted sexual overtones and I think anyone who had it put to them in the way DG apparently did would have been as shocked as he was.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79115355754228048982008-12-01T20:57:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:57:00.000+00:00As much as I hate to interrupt this leap from "you...As much as I hate to interrupt this leap from "you really don't have a clue" to "(I have) no idea", I'd appreciate you taking the time to address my earlier comment sometime soon, Iain.<BR/><BR/>CheersTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33832658302594163282008-12-01T20:44:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:44:00.000+00:00No idea. Did they ever? I have never been in that ...No idea. Did they ever? I have never been in that position :)Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3863772561180287032008-12-01T20:42:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:42:00.000+00:00Does the defence no longer get a copy of the tape?...Does the defence no longer get a copy of the tape?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9583343562966685782008-12-01T20:34:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:34:00.000+00:00Sigh. My point was that they are hardly like to gi...Sigh. My point was that they are hardly like to give a copy of it to Damian Green are they?Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86357723917131557032008-12-01T20:29:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:29:00.000+00:00Iain,Actually I do have a clue - "Most interviews ...Iain,<BR/>Actually I do have a clue - <BR/><BR/>"Most interviews at police stations with persons suspected of having committed indictable or either way offences should be tape recorded."<BR/>[http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/tape_recorded_interviews/]Mike Hobdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897975575435975984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22422882745275095632008-12-01T20:12:00.000+00:002008-12-01T20:12:00.000+00:00Jimmy, I never pay too much attention to entrapmen...Jimmy, I never pay too much attention to entrapment allegations as such, for the simple reason that the police are forbidden to use entrapment methods under the PACE rules. However, I'm waiting for the day when this disgusting Labour cabal are caught suborning a perjury. It's come pretty close once or twice already.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7573574595364289602008-12-01T18:35:00.000+00:002008-12-01T18:35:00.000+00:00JHL, I had to delete your last comment. It was a w...JHL, I had to delete your last comment. It was a wholly fabricated account of Chris Galley's lawyer's briefing and potentially libellous.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69000997423905056542008-12-01T18:23:00.001+00:002008-12-01T18:23:00.001+00:00Mike, you really don't have a clue do you? Are you...Mike, you really don't have a clue do you? Are you seriously suggesting the Police provided Damian Green with a tape of his interview, or are just being stupid?Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56727183434746051542008-12-01T18:23:00.000+00:002008-12-01T18:23:00.000+00:00Vienna,He says nothing at about the extent of Gree...Vienna,<BR/><BR/>He says nothing at about the extent of Green's role, either for or against. He certainly doesn't exonerate him. He does however state that the allegation of entrapment previously made by sourcesoffriendscloseto Mr. Green was a concoction.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63135961554716021572008-12-01T18:09:00.000+00:002008-12-01T18:09:00.000+00:00I'm interested in why the Conservatives took a wor...I'm interested in why the Conservatives took a word allegedly used, whether with malice or innocence, in a private interview in a police station, and made it public.<BR/><BR/>It would be helpful, of course, if the Conservatives would make the rest of the intevriew available. Presumably there is a tape.Mike Hobdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05897975575435975984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34313006096391162872008-12-01T18:00:00.000+00:002008-12-01T18:00:00.000+00:00As Mr Galley has now been present at a press confe...As Mr Galley has now been present at a press conference with his legal mouthpiece, it would appear that he in no way implicates Damian Green, other than as a recipient of information. Nothing about "grooming", or whatever you like to call it, so where do we go from here?<BR/><BR/>I firmly believe that the Met are up the creek without a paddle and damn well know it. They have probably been told to find something, anything, to justify their actions and will keep it going until it becomes less newsworthy.<BR/><BR/>Make no mistake, Brown, the Dark Lord, the mental breakdown case and Jaqui (it wasn't me ) Smith will be pushing this for all it's worth.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75605705364020841292008-12-01T17:44:00.000+00:002008-12-01T17:44:00.000+00:00Iain,On the subject of the Met out of control (and...Iain,<BR/><BR/>On the subject of the Met out of control (and the IPCC very much in their pockets) has anyone else seen this disgusting story:<BR/>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article5263474.ece<BR/><BR/>I think it deserves a post of its own from our host.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01594220073836613367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1407808521652869762008-12-01T17:35:00.000+00:002008-12-01T17:35:00.000+00:00Tiny bit over-sensitive here Iain? I think that th...Tiny bit over-sensitive here Iain? <BR/><BR/>I think that the English language can be trusted to allow the verb "To groom" to cover situations other than the one that you alude to.<BR/><BR/>My cat Freddie (newly groomed) thinks so as well...Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51647971272926978502008-12-01T17:27:00.000+00:002008-12-01T17:27:00.000+00:00Disingenuous bollocks from Boothroyd, Paul et al.G...Disingenuous bollocks from Boothroyd, Paul et al.<BR/><BR/>Given the legal context, it is quite clear what the intended message is.<BR/><BR/>"Certain officers of Royal Household" ?<BR/>Please don't insult our intelligence.Nigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171835878570773595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45168139094679355722008-12-01T17:14:00.000+00:002008-12-01T17:14:00.000+00:00I suspect the civil servant is being"groomed"by t...I suspect the civil servant is being"groomed"by the police in his cell,oops sorry "care home",right now.The police will have to charge Green with something to save what little respect they still hold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27505990509049828452008-12-01T16:39:00.000+00:002008-12-01T16:39:00.000+00:00In the context of organs of the state immediately ...In the context of organs of the state immediately abusing any power they are given, and notably last week's decision to hand out tasers to Plod, I have a question/problem.<BR/><BR/>I recall that one of the first uses [indeed, possibly the very first] of a taser in London - after their limited introduction in 2004 - was when Plod stopped a driver on Park Lane. Driver got a bit stroppy, but certainly not violent, so Plod zapped him. Tasers were then 'supposed' only to be used in dangerous situations, not when someone objected to being stopped and hectored by a self-important bobby.<BR/><BR/>It was a brief scandal at the time, but seesm to have [been] disappeared. I've had a casual trawl on the interweb for reference to this incident, but can't find any corroboration. Perhaps someone can help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80523223412121236102008-12-01T16:37:00.000+00:002008-12-01T16:37:00.000+00:00MarkIndeed, this is the meat of the matter but it ...Mark<BR/><BR/>Indeed, this is the meat of the matter but it is something on which the conservative posters are reluctant to engage. It may well be that Mr. Galley's job interview and his subsequent leaks were nothing more than an unfortunate coincidence, but were it otherwise would his those who defend Mr. Green here, and elsewhere, continue to do so? Surely that is a rather more pressing question than the definition of the word "grooming".Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28647993540227507862008-12-01T16:33:00.000+00:002008-12-01T16:33:00.000+00:00Jimmy , yes I agree that Mr Green is at this stage...Jimmy , yes I agree that Mr Green is at this stage to be presumed innocent but certainly the police are justified in investigating the extent of the relationship between Messrs Grayling/Green .<BR/> Some of the more hysterical pro Green posters have come up with contradictory arguments without waiting for the facts to emerge .<BR/> Some say he has committed no crime at all , others that he may have committed a minor crime but the ends justify the means . <BR/> It seems to be a fault in the Conservative way of thinking that they can justify criminal actions but only if committed by members of their own party and brings back bad and sad memories of the Arms to Iraq affair when some Conservative ministers and probably Mrs Thatcher herself were eager to suppress evidence from the courts in order to obtain the false conviction of a number of innocent business men .Mark Seniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482009878893889107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50960330178866184652008-12-01T16:31:00.000+00:002008-12-01T16:31:00.000+00:00Boothroyd has moved from Erskine May to Enid Blyto...Boothroyd has moved from Erskine May to Enid Blyton! Typical of his juvenile behaviour.<BR/><BR/>He is a quite sad individual.<BR/><BR/>Sadly, Grooming meant differently in the fifties. As were many words. 'Gay', 'Benefits' and even 'Labour Party'.<BR/><BR/>In those days the Labour Party was for the working class and oppressed. <BR/><BR/>Today it is for the fast and loose and morally bankrupt.<BR/><BR/>Sad, really!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.com