tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post8195926855487003212..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Cameron was Right to Sack Patrick MercerIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger189125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69328029197681611342007-03-11T15:24:00.000+00:002007-03-11T15:24:00.000+00:00Vienna Woods - Dave is completely out of his depth...Vienna Woods - Dave is completely out of his depth. He is not leadership material (unlike Mr Mercer). He's a bandwagon hopper.<BR/><BR/>What is equally worrying is, he doesn't seem to understand the effect of his bandwagon, gimmicky, NuLab-wannabee "leadership" is having on rank and file Tories outside the Circle Line. And Tories who were contemplating returning to the party. I am absolutely certain that the unjust and humiliating sacking of a fine and honourable soldier will have sickened those putative returnees.<BR/><BR/>And, in a two-fer, he has clumsily alienated the military vote, which tends to be Conservative. If this is the kind of support they can expect from the gimmicky public relations man, I don't think they will want him having the power of life or death over them.<BR/><BR/>The Tories will not win the next election. Dave will lose it for them.<BR/><BR/>This was a stonking great self-administered shot in the foot. He is an incompetent. And now he's going to sit at the feet of Al Gore and allow himself to be indoctrinated by the global warming Marxists. He's a PR man. He's never seen a facile gimmick he couldn't love.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56354974377044402352007-03-11T11:42:00.000+00:002007-03-11T11:42:00.000+00:00As if he wasn't ridiculed enough by this fiasco, h...As if he wasn't ridiculed enough by this fiasco, here we go again with the "idea of the week" from Dopey Dave's "Goldfish Think Tank", the Great Tax on Frequent-Fliers. Is he completely off his trolley, or what? When everything is falling apart, he comes up with another insane idea. I just don't believe it, I really don't. Please someone in the Conservative Party hierarchy, will you please remove this guy before he ruins everything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69250669895383710962007-03-11T11:40:00.000+00:002007-03-11T11:40:00.000+00:00(Anon, 8,13pm) "Any employer who sacks an employee...<I> (Anon, 8,13pm) "Any employer who sacks an employee via a brief call from a mobile, thereby denying the employee the (statutory) right of a disciplinary meeting would be likely to end up at an Industrial Tribunal. Although the employment protection legislation does not apply in this situation, the requirements of fairness and decency do."</I><BR/><BR/>Quite right. But actually this is another beautiful example of the way in which those who pass laws grant themselves exemptions from the laws they impose on the rest of us. Anyone who has ever tried to sack somebody useless from their business will know exactly what I mean.Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91707665083853503452007-03-11T08:42:00.000+00:002007-03-11T08:42:00.000+00:00In fact Mr. Mercers further remarks abou the lazin...<I>In fact Mr. Mercers further remarks abou the laziness of blacks wre the most damning and I see no choice for the boy David.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh Newmania of Islington seems to jump the gun yet again.....do you really want to test libel laws in The Old Bailey by trying to justify that piece of mendacity ?<BR/><BR/>He said nothing of the sort and the transcript shows he did not. So we must ask why you are inventing words and using them to defame a respected individual. What is your motive ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17955203768109730202007-03-11T01:30:00.000+00:002007-03-11T01:30:00.000+00:00I repeat my earlier comment.... Iain do you feel a...I repeat my earlier comment.... Iain do you feel an 'Olympics' moment coming on? You are quite out of sympathy with your own blogg! Face it, Col. Mercer is just the sort of leadership material that the party should be encouraging.<BR/><BR/>I think it's disgusting the way he has been treated.Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87034647332225242892007-03-10T20:13:00.000+00:002007-03-10T20:13:00.000+00:00I'm not sure if Mercer's sacking was right or wron...I'm not sure if Mercer's sacking was right or wrong. One thing I am sure about, however, is that the manner of this sacking was unjust.<BR/><BR/>Any employer who sacks an employee via a brief call from a mobile, thereby denying the employee the (statutory) right of a disciplinary meeting would be likely to end up at an Industrial Tribunal. Although the employment protection legislation does not apply in this situation, the requirements of fairness and decency do.<BR/><BR/>Mercer wasn't even given the benefit of a kangaroo court. <BR/><BR/>Adopting this sort of summary 'justice' procedure will inevitably lead to the impression that Cameron panicked.<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3366374429541160282007-03-10T20:11:00.000+00:002007-03-10T20:11:00.000+00:00I don't know if you all have been checking the pap...I don't know if you all have been checking the papers but people have been leaving hundreds of comments - and 98% are in Patrick's favour. I don't think Cameron dreamt the chord this would strike with people who are sick and tired of political correctness and who are outraged that such a thing was done to someone they perceive to be as thoroughly decent and a distinguished war veteran to boot. Cameron looked like a petulant prefect when he announced the dirty deed and I fear this is going to backfire in a big way,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87882441987982859772007-03-10T20:04:00.000+00:002007-03-10T20:04:00.000+00:00Lord Uncle Tom's Cabin - we dealt with Lord Taylor...Lord Uncle Tom's Cabin - we dealt with Lord Taylor of Warwick way back near the beginning of the thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16817981541145671522007-03-10T19:43:00.000+00:002007-03-10T19:43:00.000+00:00"Lord Taylor of Warwick, the only black Tory peer,..."Lord Taylor of Warwick, the only black Tory peer, said: "David Cameron was absolutely right to sack Patrick Mercer after his comments about black soldiers. Leadership is about action, not just position. David showed prompt, decisive action."<BR/><BR/>My bro is right you honkies are all racists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71667998450516744552007-03-10T19:09:00.000+00:002007-03-10T19:09:00.000+00:00And can you imagine the huge tranche of military v...And can you imagine the huge tranche of military votes Dave has thrown away through his cowardice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55858843473635829772007-03-10T18:36:00.000+00:002007-03-10T18:36:00.000+00:00Heather - getting a response to an email of suppor...Heather - getting a response to an email of support from someone whose world has just been shaken through no malfeasance of his own is the least of my worries.<BR/><BR/>I am very, very pleased to hear that he has been inundated with support. <BR/><BR/>Vienna Woods - Believe me, you're preaching to the choir. I have a very litigious nature, but although Mr Mercer is a seasoned, decorated soldier, he may not be combative in this sense. If it were me, their offices would be papered with lawsuits by now.<BR/><BR/>I never liked David Cameron. And as he got more and more coverage, I began to develop a strong distaste for him. After this terrible,ill-considered, panicky incident, I absolutely loathe him. I will never vote for any party that he leads. It would be like voting for Tony Blair and I would chop off writing hand before I would put an X next to his name.<BR/><BR/>Cameron allowed himself to be panicked into an intemperate action. This is leadership material? <BR/><BR/>In fact, they all seemed to have panicked. Why didn't they just call a press conference and let Mr Mercer repeat his words (while the words rolled up behind him on a screen, so there would be no excuses for misreporting) and take questions. He could have had a couple of black squaddies also taking questions. It was manageable. It could have been smoothed over if Cameron had stayed calm.<BR/><BR/>If he wanted to give Mr Mercer a telling off in private, that would have been a different matter. The man's weak, weak, weak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76102015559913909112007-03-10T17:57:00.000+00:002007-03-10T17:57:00.000+00:00"it is a non negotiabale entre to the centre."The ..."it is a non negotiabale entre to the centre."<BR/><BR/>The centre doesn't care, only the Liberal-Left. Most people may accept he's tactless but they're not stupid enough to believe he's racist. The Indie piece was a gross distortion, the sort they accuse the Daily Mail of doing.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Unless you are Welsh, in which case any amount of vitriolic vituperation is completely in order from newmania"<BR/><BR/>Wales? Where's that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36100721262059791292007-03-10T17:21:00.000+00:002007-03-10T17:21:00.000+00:00I hate to disagree with Iain. But Patrick Mercer ...I hate to disagree with Iain. But Patrick Mercer is an excellent MP, and an honest man, and was stating the facts as he knows them. It is a sad day for the Party when speaking the truth is a sacking offence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22180714201542138802007-03-10T17:07:00.000+00:002007-03-10T17:07:00.000+00:00Verity,Just imagine, if you will, that Patrick doe...Verity,<BR/><BR/>Just imagine, if you will, that Patrick does have a crack at the newspapers. It would be very easy to prove that his statement and the headlines were completely out of sync. Written evidence is one of the purest forms and publishing it so publicly gives the newspapers not very much room for retraction and has a good chance of success. The guy has lost his job for heaven's sake and has been held to ridicule because of the headlines, which most of the half-brainers read and nothing else.<BR/><BR/>This country really needs to do something with its press and media people. They get away with too much, often destroying lives in the process. We shouldn't forget either that PC has been driven by the media and the inept Labour party and it's about time they were closed down or forced to behave responsibly. There have been several comments in this thread about how we should treat others and I agree with most of it, but the media people seem to be immune from thinking like reasonable human beings and it is high time that they start to behave themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3510530561618672602007-03-10T16:29:00.000+00:002007-03-10T16:29:00.000+00:00To Verity at 1134: Patrick has indeed been inundat...To Verity at 1134: Patrick has indeed been inundated with emails of support. I am sorry that we have not been able to reply to you or anyone else yet. We will and much appreciate you taking the trouble to get in touch.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08680180151665095808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74390580442996660712007-03-10T15:04:00.000+00:002007-03-10T15:04:00.000+00:00Vienna Woods - I would imagine Mr Mercer is still ...Vienna Woods - I would imagine Mr Mercer is still in shock. A fine, honourable man with a very honourable career - now shattered by a Tory yob party leader who has never served a day in his life as anything but a PR man for a TV company.<BR/><BR/>Dave's so honourable he hawked his disabled kid around feature editors when he was trying to get the leadership of the Tory party. He also paraded him in front of TV cameras, to show what a caring father he is.<BR/><BR/>Dave also did not stand up for the absolute right of the Roman Catholic Church (I am not a Catholic) to adhere to its religious principles by not placing vulnerable children with homosexual couples. Political correctness, aka 'thought fascism' comes first with Dave.<BR/><BR/>Dave is a man of absolutely no principles and he is a coward and he panics easily. Unlike a decorated military man like Patrick Mercer, who I imagine is still trying to come to terms with what has happened.<BR/><BR/>I doubt that he will sue, Vienna.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21007588520979593772007-03-10T14:52:00.000+00:002007-03-10T14:52:00.000+00:00I've been mulling over these newspaper and media h...I've been mulling over these newspaper and media headlines and have come to the conclusion that the editors should be held more responsible for what is printed. In this case I think Patrick Mercer should sue each one of the buggers for bringing his name into disrepute. It is clearly defamatory to print such falsehoods and they should not be allowed to get away with it. Let's face it, these clowns have got to start showing some responsibility about what they write. I'm all for freedom of the press, so long as truthful and accurate reporting is a condition of their very existence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85497953624980268222007-03-10T14:01:00.000+00:002007-03-10T14:01:00.000+00:00Sorry, the quote above was in relation to David Mu...Sorry, the quote above was in relation to David Mundell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86628003443748744572007-03-10T14:00:00.000+00:002007-03-10T14:00:00.000+00:00Iain, maybe you can explain this one for me? Afte...Iain, maybe you can explain this one for me? After I had written my previous post, I noticed that you had written this in your blog:<BR/><BR/>"... No one should be forced out for speaking what the rest of us know to be the truth... "<BR/><BR/>Not in this case, it seems. Could you explain why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38705346408476579302007-03-10T13:46:00.000+00:002007-03-10T13:46:00.000+00:00Thursday March 8th, what a day!Mercer vs Cameron &...Thursday March 8th, what a day!<BR/>Mercer vs Cameron & The great Global Warming Swindle. In one day two events have shown how our once-great Conservative Party has fallen for two post-Marxist cults. How do we get our Party back?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20345331433451956812007-03-10T13:20:00.000+00:002007-03-10T13:20:00.000+00:00You can see from David's fat,unlined,anodyne face ...You can see from David's fat,unlined,anodyne face that he doesn't let trivialities bother him.<BR/><BR/>He's made an immense mistake, out of panic, and the feeling of outrage he has caused in Conservatives at large will die down on the surface, but it won't go away. The next time he makes a mistake, it will all come up and be picked over again. This was a big mistake and he has been as imperially dismissive as Blair always is.<BR/><BR/>I loathe him and won't be voting Tory until he's gone. And once I'm over in UKIP, I may find that I like it and never go back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73074929217144090162007-03-10T12:01:00.000+00:002007-03-10T12:01:00.000+00:00I report without comment that I have received a lo...I report without comment that I have received a lot of adverse criticism from Conservative supporters about the sacking of Patrick Mercer. They believe he has been sacked for telling the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74636311769230439212007-03-10T05:24:00.000+00:002007-03-10T05:24:00.000+00:00newmania "I have blogged recently abou the great i...newmania "I have blogged recently abou the great importance of losing the racist* and homophbic tag " <BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh, the irony...!!! <BR/><BR/><BR/>* Unless you are Welsh, in which case any amount of vitriolic vituperation is completely in order from newmaniaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35236502909919452722007-03-10T01:50:00.000+00:002007-03-10T01:50:00.000+00:00Achilles said - "and if islam's so homophobic, how...Achilles said - "and if islam's so homophobic, how's it come about there are so very, very many gay boys in it?"<BR/><BR/>A wonder of the universe, IMHO.<BR/><BR/>The ones that get caught,though, get hanged off cranes. We shouldn't forget that. Including little boys of 14. Hanged. For having been born themselves.<BR/><BR/>Islam is the religion of pieces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81333753893422739362007-03-10T01:31:00.000+00:002007-03-10T01:31:00.000+00:00I am late catching up here but I just wanted to sa...I am late catching up here but I just wanted to say that I thought you got this about right Mr. Dale.<BR/>I have blogged recently abou the great importance of losing the racist and homophbic tag and infuriating though it may be to be the puppet of the Liberal elite ,it is a non negotiabale entre to the centre.<BR/><BR/>In fact Mr. Mercers further remarks abou the laziness of blacks wre the most damning and I see no choice for the boy David.<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Those poeple who think he couls bave bliuffed it out should have look at the Indy front pageNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.com