tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post800807285450928293..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Fisking James MacintyreIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49197292013510534172009-09-21T11:16:52.955+01:002009-09-21T11:16:52.955+01:00Why is it people here spend so much more time atta...Why is it people here spend so much more time attacking people who are anti- racist than they do attacking racists?<br /><br />Anyone who's hung about in Tory circles has met racists. Why are we pretending it isn't true? <br /><br />Of course the party isn't racist, my own ward selected Shreela Flather over thirty years ago. But we still have unabashed racists and homophobes and people who believe women should stay at home.<br /><br />Part of us coming out of the wilderness requires taking on these people like Nu Lab took on the hard left- not defending them all the time because they carry the same badge.<br /><br />As for Powell, nobody seems to remember his history. He was a racist unfortunately, targeting very specific communities and not others. He has subsequently been proved completely wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27696622937447561682009-09-21T09:47:48.274+01:002009-09-21T09:47:48.274+01:00In fact the denial that racism exists is a pretty ...In fact the denial that racism exists is a pretty good sign of a rascit.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76901419143708076012009-09-21T08:23:41.470+01:002009-09-21T08:23:41.470+01:00"RACISM" the last bleat of a scoundrel."RACISM" the last bleat of a scoundrel.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33421448908275363532009-09-20T19:29:58.230+01:002009-09-20T19:29:58.230+01:00"They could be UKIP, BNP or anything else.&qu..."They could be UKIP, BNP or anything else."<br /><br />The fact that it's hard to tell sometimes may not be your strongest argument.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90741601920442007492009-09-20T19:09:10.649+01:002009-09-20T19:09:10.649+01:00Sunny,
To see your comments, one would almost bel...Sunny,<br /><br />To see your comments, one would almost believe that <a href="http://timworstall.com/?s=sunny" rel="nofollow">Tim Worstall's pretty comprehensive fisking</a> of your pathetic and disgusting position never took place.<br /><br />Now, I know that, were you in charge, that conversation would be struck from the record and Tim incarcerated in a gulag but, unfortunately for you, that isn't the case right now.<br /><br />Now, why don't you do yourself a favour and shut up?<br /><br />DK<br /><br />P.S. As far as I can see, o Sunny Delight, your entire popularity is built on a self-identified racism: what on earth would you do for a living if you couldn't keep raising the racist standard, eh?Devil's Kitchenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832949569501846730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25533162054627774052009-09-20T16:31:00.269+01:002009-09-20T16:31:00.269+01:00Lovely comment, Paddy. Just priceless.
Once agai...Lovely comment, Paddy. Just priceless.<br /><br /><br />Once again, the charm and tolerance of the self-righteous left comes out to play, along with its utter lack of self-awareness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28857320859990336482009-09-20T15:55:14.545+01:002009-09-20T15:55:14.545+01:00Iain
Fair point - I don't know. But there is ...Iain<br /><br />Fair point - I don't know. But there is a fit with the stereotypical Tory voter (the one who has never ever considered any other choice) that you meet in the watering holes of the Middle Classes. I've been there enough to know them. They thought Blair was a Left-winger (Ha!). They think that the Unions were the cause of all Britain's problems (Ha again!). They live shallow lives behind the high hedges of Tunbridge Wells (etc.!). They never meet a black except for the occasional chap that carries their bag or mends their central heating. They are brain dead. And when their daughters or their sons shag a black man they collapse into a heap of prejudicied horror!! You can't hail from the Royal Borough and say that you have never met them!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43436765363186607532009-09-20T15:45:20.784+01:002009-09-20T15:45:20.784+01:00Paddy, you make the common mistake of believing th...Paddy, you make the common mistake of believing that these people are Conservatives. How do you know they are Conservative supporters. You don't. They could be UKIP, BNP or anything else.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48317599963843348012009-09-20T15:44:50.077+01:002009-09-20T15:44:50.077+01:00James' was a blog post - I'm sure you'...<i>James' was a blog post - I'm sure you're aware of the difference between a blog post and a news story published in the magazine.</i><br /><br />That's utter garbage. And I write from the position of being a journalist.Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74447075383106354592009-09-20T15:42:10.330+01:002009-09-20T15:42:10.330+01:00Of course the Conservative Party is not racist - b...Of course the Conservative Party is not racist - but many of their core supprters are. Just read some of the responses to Iain Dale's blogs to see how vile many of the grass roots Tories are on Race. Sometimes it's hidden behind tissue thin facades - as with many of the anti Obama posts during the US Election campaign. Sometimes it's more in the open. I think that Iain is right to allow these posts to appear - it shows what many of us feel. The modern Conservative Party has some signs of being reasonably tolerant and socially liberal - and Cameron is cretainly this. But all too many of the grass roots activists are old fashioned Tory bigots. There is a case for arguing for a Conservative victory in the 2010 Election - but not to give comfort to the racist, sexist, homophobic men and women of the shires.Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54708166193517170682009-09-20T15:37:32.245+01:002009-09-20T15:37:32.245+01:00Is Mr McIntyre institutionally dotty? I think he m...Is Mr McIntyre institutionally dotty? I think he might be.Martin Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04148241391183658112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34040261744054691042009-09-20T15:29:22.106+01:002009-09-20T15:29:22.106+01:00Message to JM as I am sure he will not be able to ...Message to JM as I am sure he will not be able to resist reading these comments, all that attention after all...<br /><br />Hey James, ever hear the story of the little boy that cried 'Wolf'? That's you mate.Gladys Pewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74558371163532784602009-09-20T12:48:31.526+01:002009-09-20T12:48:31.526+01:00Just reading this this post while listening to LBC...Just reading this this post while listening to LBC radio live at the Lib Dem conference.<br /><br />Andrew Pierce just asked Lynne Featherstone why no there are no black Lib Dem MP's and the answer came back:<br /><br />"We don't have any safe seats where you can just place people, you have to earn your spurs in the Lib Dems."<br /><br />What would Jimmy Macintyre make of that?Twighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16698620636313191152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67554663135213007992009-09-20T12:41:55.716+01:002009-09-20T12:41:55.716+01:00It's increasingly obvious that the Left's ...It's increasingly obvious that the Left's attitude towards race is fundamentally perverse, and ultimately proves more toxic for social stabilty than a measure old-fashioned prejudice.<br /><br />Harman's plan to legalise racial discrimination is a case in point. With the BNP gaining MEP seats for the first time, she introduces a law guaranteed to stoke resentment.Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02330412326038302877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7811149853880877922009-09-20T12:02:50.944+01:002009-09-20T12:02:50.944+01:00I see that Clive Davis, on the Spectator site, lin...I see that Clive Davis, on the Spectator site, links to the McIntyre piece this morning. Except that the link takes you to a site that is NOT the New Statesman, but http://aless.co.uk/is_hannan_racist.html - but Davis doesn't mention that fact, leading the casual reader to believe that the original article is still there.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the NS has the original article back up, but with a disclaimer at the top, distancing the NS from it, and the original comments have gone, the most damaging of which were Mc's own, in reply to posters. Interesting, non?Pam Nashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07371835641538430316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76178425583294593822009-09-20T11:20:10.922+01:002009-09-20T11:20:10.922+01:00Old Holborn: "picking out a few lines from so...Old Holborn: "picking out a few lines from someone's speech, twisting them to mean something they didn't mean and then merely abuse the opposition into silence."<br /><br />Perhaps McIntyre learned this technique from Melanie Phillips? I further note on her blog that anyone who disagrees with her is usually labelled a holocaust denying anti semite wishing the destruction of Israel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22400855825957237762009-09-20T09:39:53.079+01:002009-09-20T09:39:53.079+01:00For Gods sake, this guy was writing in the New Sta...For Gods sake, this guy was writing in the New Statesman. A journo nobody has ever heard of writing in a magazine that nobody reads.<br /><br />Just ignore the little w*anker and he'll go away.Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51545588961280932392009-09-20T08:31:27.128+01:002009-09-20T08:31:27.128+01:00~Great to see the political correct die by their o...~Great to see the political correct die by their own sword. <br /><br />Macintyre like his colleagues has had it his own way for too long. Now when the tide is turning, like every school yard bully who made the rules so they always win the game, they turn to more and more desperate assertions. The only thing pleasing about it is that it peels back the skin so the World can see the writhing, feted prejudice that motivates them.<br /><br />This time the bully picked on the wrong person. Not only is Dan Hannan NOT what he is being described of but he has the wherewithal to do something about it. <br /><br />The Courts are the place to try Libel. Macintyre has lost in the court of public opinion and he will loose in the Libel courts. Justice will be done and it will be seen to be done.<br /><br /><br />One down and hundreds running away.Don Colliernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17132661836713355792009-09-20T08:06:50.903+01:002009-09-20T08:06:50.903+01:00Please, please, please can we have a high profile ...Please, please, please can we have a high profile slander/libel case to put these reverse-racists back in their boxes. <br /><br />Calling somebody a racist is the same as calling them a rapist. If I was to write an article claming Dan had raped somebody with no evidence I would rightly get sued. Even Katie Price is smart enough not to name names. Dan needs to ask this chap for 100,000 compensation to set the bar. <br /><br />Playing the RACE card is SLANDER or LIBEL. Claims of racism should be made at the police station and not in the media. The Labour Party are institutional slanderers and it will only be after several MPs have lost their life savings in the courts will they keep their reverse racist mouths shutJavelinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1899421708368487192009-09-20T07:13:57.108+01:002009-09-20T07:13:57.108+01:00From the observations I have made regarding politi...From the observations I have made regarding political correspondents I would say they are all pretty much tribal leaning to the Left or the Right.<br />Where they differ is the Left invariably attacks the man whereas the Right almost always play the ball.<br /><br />When it comes to being nasty no-one does it like the Left, policies are totally irrelevant as they demonise people as racists, child eaters and mass murderers. <br /><br />When you are in love with dogma as opposed to social justice this consumes all reason to the point you can never criticise your own side and cannot conceal your hate for any who oppose it.Flemingcragnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69866804110639237512009-09-19T23:36:49.676+01:002009-09-19T23:36:49.676+01:00Wonderful stuff Sunny.
Can I urge you to develop ...Wonderful stuff Sunny.<br /><br />Can I urge you to develop the screenplay? I'd suggest a new twist on <i>The Emperor's New Clothes</i>. A sort of "Hans Christian Anderson meets <i>Yes Minster</i>". I just adore this sort of sitcom fiction. Keep it up.Roy Juddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10693011703078399408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84220329533426882232009-09-19T23:18:00.494+01:002009-09-19T23:18:00.494+01:00Having been a member of one organisation that was ...Having been a member of one organisation that was tarred with the label "Institutional Racism" I know what a nebulous term it is. All it means, apparently, is an organisation whose structure and practices lead it to inadvertently disadvantage people from ethnic minorities.<br /><br />Having also been a member of the Conservative Party I don't think the label applies. In fact, it would be more honest to claim that some members of the Conservative Party were actual (rather than Institutional) racists. I've certainly met some. I bet Labour Party members (and probably some Liberals, certainly in places like Wales and the West Country) would say the same. If it is difficult for ethnic minorities to prosper in the Conservative Party then that is nothing to do with the party itself, and everything to do with the dead hand of prejudice that some members of the party still lay across it when it comes to candidate selection, etc.Neil Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57564610973562815792009-09-19T21:07:36.099+01:002009-09-19T21:07:36.099+01:00The Bile of McIntyre - Paul McCartney should write...The Bile of McIntyre - Paul McCartney should write a song about it.<br /><br />It obviously a load of twaddle and totally ignores Labour working class racism. <br /><br />The best that can be said of Mr McIntyre is he was over tired when he wrote it. over tired thanks to a skinful of Glenmorwhingy.<br /><br />It also shows how desperate Labour are to find something to attack tories and deflect from their own ineptitude.<br /><br />Personally I think however controversial his views, he was one of the great figures of 20th-century British politics, gifted with a brilliant mind.<br />Well actually that was Tony Blair saying that.<br />And Michael Foot said<br />"The Tory Kingdom would sooner or later have been his to command, for he had all the shining qualities which the others lacked. Heath would never had outmanoeuvred him; Thatcher would never have stepped into the vacant shoes. It was a tragedy for Enoch, and a tragedy for the rest of us too.” -- So Foot says Powell not becoming PM was a tragedy !!<br />Foot also wrote to Powell<br />"What a theme, and what a speech, and what a speaker, and how Oliver Cromwell himself would have been thrilled to hear the parliamentary cause elevated to its rightful pre-eminence... Writing as an impenitent Leveller who still begs to differ with you (and Oliver Cromwell) in so many matters, I still cannot withhold my wonder and excitement at what I heard there today. "<br /><br />Powell himself said to David Frost --- "It depends on how you define the word “racialist.” If you mean being conscious of the differences between men and nations, and from that, races, then we are all racialists. However, if you mean a man who despises a human being because he belongs to another race, or a man who believes that one race is inherently superior to another, then the answer is emphatically “No.”"<br /><br />With that background can anybody tell me what tge fuss is about<br />(except yet another socialist re-invention of history).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46285135163871447832009-09-19T20:57:52.553+01:002009-09-19T20:57:52.553+01:00For a long time 'racism' has meant anythin...For a long time 'racism' has meant anything the person using it has wanted it to.<br /><br />This silly man's article is just symptomatic of the state of political correctness we have to live in these days.<br /><br />The idea is always to avoid having to engage someone in argument by smearing them at the outset.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54810361246077728802009-09-19T20:18:52.637+01:002009-09-19T20:18:52.637+01:00No one is listening to people like Hundal any more...No one is listening to people like Hundal any more.<br /><br />Hate monger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com