tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post778581464790088406..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: EXCLUSIVE: Tories Accuse LibDems of By Election Dirty TricksIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16452548177923737592007-07-09T21:39:00.000+01:002007-07-09T21:39:00.000+01:00Decades ago, I heard of a grizzled American politi...Decades ago, I heard of a grizzled American political pro who suggested putting about a rumour that the opposing candidate was prone to close encounters with the livestock on his farm. "But it's not true" protested his candidate. "Sure" said the pro "but let's get him to deny it".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63445184057270780882007-07-04T20:00:00.000+01:002007-07-04T20:00:00.000+01:00Surely with your excellent Tory sources you should...Surely with your excellent Tory sources you should have been able to find some evidence by now Iain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83782799151167328742007-07-03T09:12:00.000+01:002007-07-03T09:12:00.000+01:00Iain, this is unfortunately an ill-founded lie.I w...Iain, this is unfortunately an ill-founded lie.<BR/><BR/>I was significantly involved with the Bromley & Chislehurst by-election (I was living in Bromley at the time) and I can categorically assure you that at no point were ANY financial inducements offered to anyone to display a poster. After all, it is illegal to do so as well you know.<BR/><BR/>The harsh reality is that "4 Jobs" Bob Neill was perceived by many local voters to be simply not a good candidate to be their MP. They were very willing volunteers in many cases when I was out canvassing.Toby Philpotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00367924884223752467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61673007688814892512007-07-03T00:19:00.000+01:002007-07-03T00:19:00.000+01:00Not a salaried Brown catamite or a social worker. ...Not a salaried Brown catamite or a social worker. Sorry to disappoint. Suz's point about not having the money is irrelevant. If Manchester Lib Dems ran such a lottery - and they haven't yet AFAIK and nor would they given that barring Cancer Hospital and Cemetary Hoaxes they are straight as a die - they'd make sure that their own people 'won' the 'prizes'. As the Fib Dems are saying though some sort of proof would be very useful.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35261374905773976532007-07-02T19:18:00.000+01:002007-07-02T19:18:00.000+01:00The righteous indignation of the Tories always get...The righteous indignation of the Tories always gets me. <BR/>They accuse the Lib Dems of self-righteousness but there's no self-awareness at all. <BR/>All to keen to jump on the bandwagon to explain Lib Dem electoral success as down to "dirty tricks" (and this from the party who pretty much accused a by-election candidate of being a rapist, and who produced local election guidance encouraging parties to spend, spend, spend before it's necessary to record election expenses).<BR/>I suppose it's part of the Tory (and Labour) mindset - can't believe there could be people who just don't think either socalism or conservatism is right. <BR/>The truly unprincipled join the Tories or Labour to get an easy route to power (and I'm not saying that all Tories or Labour party members are unprincipled, just pointing out that ALL Lib Dems have to work hard for their seats, which is not necessarily true of the reds and blues . . .)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4665851601280739632007-07-02T18:28:00.000+01:002007-07-02T18:28:00.000+01:00Recently you mocked both Melissa Kite's judgements...Recently you mocked both Melissa Kite's judgements and sources when you "frisked" her assessment of the upcoming Tory reshuffle. <BR/><BR/>Lo and behold, you are now using her as a credible example of the consequences that will befall the LibDems if they put on a poor showing in this by-election.<BR/><BR/>Really, I expected better.<BR/><BR/>Consider yourself <I>frisked</I>, good sir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27032382807364406512007-07-02T17:21:00.000+01:002007-07-02T17:21:00.000+01:00" LibDems at least are honest fighters. "Oh stop i..." LibDems at least are honest fighters. "<BR/><BR/>Oh stop it, my aching sides...those honest about turns on congestion charging at Dunfermline, the invention of threats to local hospitals that seem to be the LDs 'campaign in a box' for by elections, the red top leaflets designed to looks like Labour leaflets or the local free newspaper that don't actually tell you they are from the Lib Dems-unless you own a microscope and can find the imprint...get stuffed, you're a disgrace and are the real sleaze merchants in politcs-bar none...RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34482581494522829912007-07-02T16:20:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:20:00.000+01:00Nice one Global twister !!Nice one Global twister !!Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25709959348549587972007-07-02T15:09:00.000+01:002007-07-02T15:09:00.000+01:00Wait, I'm a Lib Dem and I'm preety damn sure we do...Wait, I'm a Lib Dem and I'm preety damn sure we don't have the money to pay people to put up banners... <BR/><BR/>bloody tories, lies, damn lies and thatcerites :pMartin Shaplandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13976580694379934512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80706965519183525192007-07-02T15:08:00.000+01:002007-07-02T15:08:00.000+01:00I didn't see any evidence of this in Brent East, L...I didn't see any evidence of this in Brent East, Leicester S, Hartlepool, Cheadle or Bromley - particularly not Bromley, where I ran the Lib Dem poster operation. <BR/><BR/>Bollocks, methinks!Chris Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615548536592310583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62926085676799897992007-07-02T15:03:00.000+01:002007-07-02T15:03:00.000+01:00Some years ago when I was still a serving middle r...Some years ago when I was still a serving middle ranking police office in a southern county force an article in the local Lib-Dem pre General Election newsletter was brought to my attention. In it a a named 'trainee WPC in Xshire Constabulary' was singing the praises of Lib-Dem policing policy. As Police officers are forbidden by Police Regulations from membership of any political party and discouraged from making any public statement which might be construed as supportive or otherwise of a particular party or candidate I brought it to the attention of the Training School mentioned in the article. My intention was that a quiet word be had with the officer and suitable advice given. I was informed that no officer of that name was currently in training nor scheduled to be. So my next call was to the local election offices of the Lib-Dems who published the leaflet. Very courteous they were too, until I started asking questions regarding the veracity of the article. At that point they hung up on me! Of course I reported the matter to HQ where it disappeared into the 'too difficult' black hole. I have a very cynical view of all politicians borne of long personal experience but this struck me as particularly blatant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9730769789831075692007-07-02T14:23:00.000+01:002007-07-02T14:23:00.000+01:00Why is anyone surprised.I do hope Dave got my memo...Why is anyone <A HREF="http://fibdems.blogspot.com/2007/07/and-theyre-off.html" REL="nofollow">surprised</A>.<BR/><BR/>I do hope Dave got my <A HREF="http://fibdems.blogspot.com/2006/07/proud-to-lie.html" REL="nofollow">memo</A>.Porridge Oatenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726661663175927886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12939735524479225042007-07-02T14:10:00.000+01:002007-07-02T14:10:00.000+01:00the tory lives in Wood Lane, Osterley, about 1 mil...the tory lives in Wood Lane, Osterley, about 1 mile outside the constituency. Hardly Chiswick...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74808714998508232702007-07-02T14:09:00.000+01:002007-07-02T14:09:00.000+01:00When is this alleged to have happened? As someone...When is this alleged to have happened? As someone who was involved in the poster operation at Kincardine & Deeside, Newbury, Christchurch, and in charge of it in Eastleigh I was never involved in such activities. For the record I'd be grateful if you could make it clear that you aren't referring to those particular elections.Hywelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094171587140185827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82028983606061868742007-07-02T13:19:00.000+01:002007-07-02T13:19:00.000+01:00"LibDems at least are honest fighters. "HAHAHAHAHA..."LibDems at least are honest fighters. "<BR/><BR/>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Sorry. That's the funniest thing I've heard in ages :-)<BR/><BR/>(you c0ck)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15039676574947843742007-07-02T12:59:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:59:00.000+01:00"The Lib Dems are beneath contempt during election..."The Lib Dems are beneath contempt during elections."<BR/><BR/>By which you actually mean: they are annoying because they keep beating Tories.<BR/><BR/>The Tories are now doing what Labour does to fight the LibDems - they make stuff up. LibDems at least are honest fighters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79764037481879765692007-07-02T12:53:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:53:00.000+01:00Anon@9.28 - the LibDem candidate admitted later th...Anon@9.28 - the LibDem candidate admitted later that they had done the posting and the sticking, the posters had been attached by those plastic ties that have to be cut, and as Council workers were going round the constituency removing them, known LibDem campaigners were putting up new ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43325540564143263632007-07-02T12:42:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:42:00.000+01:00I meant LIES, of course, and not lives!! Doh!I meant LIES, of course, and not lives!! Doh!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24144661891700298512007-07-02T12:40:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:40:00.000+01:00Rennard's 'never heard' of this 'practice' - of co...Rennard's 'never heard' of this 'practice' - of course he hasn't, officially, anyway - strictly on a need to know basis I woulda thought.<BR/><BR/>The Lib Dems are beneath contempt during elections - they draw the line precisely nowhere, anything's acceptable and it wouldn't surprise me if Grant is right about this.<BR/><BR/>I've caught them taking down Tory and Labour posters in the middle of the night; they fly post, esp on farms which run up to busy roads and on lamp posts and turn up en masse at people's doors to 'ask' if they can put posters and stakes up. They also take tools out in the night and chop other people's stakes in half (how I would love to have the cops stop em and find em 'going equipped to steal') and destroy other big banners.<BR/><BR/>This, of course, is in addition to sending breeze blocks, fish and packets of shite using other parties' freepost addresses; stealing opponents' leaflets from letterboxes; spreading all kinds of lives round communities and villages and generally telling one side of the street one thing, and something completely different to the other.<BR/><BR/>Shameless has nothing on them. They are a bunch of museli chowing, sock-&-sandal wearing, childless loafers who wouldn't know a proper political debate if it bit them on the behind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24495231060025233892007-07-02T12:17:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:17:00.000+01:00When Chris Rennard was David Alton's agent, wasn't...When Chris Rennard was David Alton's agent, wasn't there some - ahem - confusion over his electoral expenses?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78051532253369725912007-07-02T12:12:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:12:00.000+01:00Iain in all honesty I find this very difficult to ...Iain in all honesty I find this very difficult to believe.<BR/><BR/>Is there any tagible evidence.<BR/><BR/>In all the years I been campaigning I've NEVER heard of such a thing. The LibDems don't have that kind of money for a start. Every penny goes into leaflets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24507751413234433922007-07-02T12:09:00.001+01:002007-07-02T12:09:00.001+01:00Just tell Campbell that if he doesn't resign,you'l...Just tell Campbell that if he doesn't resign,you'll hide his teeth?(Or put them in Broon's pocket where they'll get all sticky and nasty...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2130736767277956022007-07-02T12:09:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:09:00.000+01:00Grant Shapps is of course, member of parliament fo...Grant Shapps is of course, member of parliament for Welwyn and Hatfield.<BR/>While I no longer live in the town from whence I came, many family do, and as there should be there is another Hatfield Girl posting from there in real time.<BR/><BR/>He's a much admired and voted for MP. And he'll know about trikki behaviour better than most.<BR/><BR/>Hatfield Girl of Angels in Marble.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27225545516160680802007-07-02T12:04:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:04:00.000+01:00"all parties are pandering to Asian racists who wi..."all parties are pandering to Asian racists who will only vote for Asian candidates."<BR/><BR/>Not that they've ever pandered to white racists who will only vote for white candidates? Oh No.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67735112863472688892007-07-02T12:01:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:01:00.000+01:00This wouldn;t surprise me - but someone needs to s...This wouldn;t surprise me - but someone needs to stand the story up. Find a resident with a cheque from Cowley Street!Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.com