tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7518061439832183617..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: In Conversation With David StarkeyIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57351391367220611352009-09-21T21:23:02.849+01:002009-09-21T21:23:02.849+01:00Judging by the fact that the ONLY team invited to ...Judging by the fact that the ONLY team invited to the Palace is Arsenal I would respectfully suggest that Her Majesty is a Gooner.Paul Donnelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05426173543787896835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33915824609268752342009-09-20T22:57:00.370+01:002009-09-20T22:57:00.370+01:00Chris Goodman
So the Chartists weren't on the...Chris Goodman<br /><br />So the Chartists weren't on the Left - can I suggest that you go and read a lttle history?<br /><br />You are just employing a circular logic by which all evil is of the Left and and the Left are all evil, so surprise, surprise no argument will ever convince you otherwise - but perhaps you shhould give a little thought to those on the left such as Koestler and Orwell who made it very clear that ends could never justify the means.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31021551042114661102009-09-20T11:36:50.103+01:002009-09-20T11:36:50.103+01:00Martin :
You steal the wealth, you do not generate...Martin :<br />You steal the wealth, you do not generate it, because all decisions are made for you, as simple as that. <br />The South can always dip it's hand in to take some cash, and benefit from every decision, regardless of whether the decision was made for north or Ulster. <br />That is why you are wealthier than the rest, you dip[ your hand in to take money form every decision.Bobbyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Od6RRldYgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55924384253064816532009-09-20T02:08:21.296+01:002009-09-20T02:08:21.296+01:00The essence of the "Charter" was univers...The essence of the "Charter" was universal [male] suffrage without the qualification of property. This is Leftist to the extent that it gives Leftists an opportunity to increase the power of the State, but even somebody as immature as yourself “Tory Boys Never Grow Up” will be aware that the word “democratic” in a Leftist State has next to nothing to do with what the Chartists were advocating. To a Leftist democracy is a means to an end, the end being a State in which Leftists (such as yourself) can fully realise their pathetic little hatreds and their craving for power over others.Chris Goodmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52775427847911748572009-09-20T00:58:52.955+01:002009-09-20T00:58:52.955+01:00London is the capital and only world city in these...London is the capital and only world city in these islands.<br />Of course it sucks in most of the talent in these islands and lots from far beyond.<br />Of course the locals in most of the provinces resent this and carp about the "distant and remote rule from London".<br />There are vastly more talented Scots in London than in their region of origin. (and I'm excluding the mediocre Scottish Labour and media cabal from the talented London Scots, just in case you were wondering !)Dimotonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5632227419324746842009-09-19T23:22:07.430+01:002009-09-19T23:22:07.430+01:00I like this guy and his somewhat drastic way of th...I like this guy and his somewhat drastic way of thinking.happyukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02459558077829920642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38886881981500245392009-09-19T22:47:01.353+01:002009-09-19T22:47:01.353+01:00"The only "lesson" the history of t..."The only "lesson" the history of the last 200 years teaches us is that the Left are stupidly and wickedly wrong about pretty much everything"<br /><br />Before you go spouting such garbage - perhaps you should go and look at the demands of the Chartists - all of which, part from one, have been met and are accepted as the norm in democracy. The only one that hasn't been met is the demand for annual parliments - although those arguing for fixed parliments are looking to go someway in that direction.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57657005147207778302009-09-19T21:06:39.425+01:002009-09-19T21:06:39.425+01:00Sensible thoughts about the NHS. Wonder if any Tor...Sensible thoughts about the NHS. Wonder if any Tories are listening... <br /><br />They should be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92104538151837519662009-09-19T19:57:16.665+01:002009-09-19T19:57:16.665+01:00Very good interview. Thoroughly entertaining. And ...Very good interview. Thoroughly entertaining. And what a ghastly, ghastly man. You really brought that out.<br /><br />@John MacLeod - I can see nothing at all wrong with burning the pope at the stake. Seems a thoroughly good idea.Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23158985849883264412009-09-19T19:50:56.249+01:002009-09-19T19:50:56.249+01:00"John Macleod points out that in "Englan..."John Macleod points out that in "England where, as recently as the Second World War, the courts solemnly tried a witch;"<br /><br />That is true, sir, a Scottish witch!"<br /><br />and thw whole trial was stymied by W Churchill(English)<br /><br />John, you really underplay the the persection of the Covenanters 1660 1688 which you say<br />" was at the direction of a London monarch trying to impose episcopal,Anglican-style church government - again, hundreds were killed and hundreds more tortured."<br /><br />You are implying it was an English controlled plot on puir wee Scotland. The reality is it was home grown Scottish religious/political feuding of a particularly deadly and callous variety that took place long after this sort of thing had attenuated to mere non bloodletting political maneouvre in England. And it was emphatically a Scottish and not an English story.<br /><br />Curiously,you also fail to mention the mob-fuelled jiudicial murder of Captain Thomas Green and three of his crew when they were hanged for trumped up charges( basically because the mob were inflamed agianst the English- shades of now!) on Leith sands on 11/04/1705,just outside Edinburgh. There were troops to hand to prevent it happening but the Scottish establishment who knew very well that what was happening was wrong, kept away from this legal lynching.<br /><br />They don't talk about it to this day unless someone pursues the matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71544213094756094242009-09-19T19:37:33.974+01:002009-09-19T19:37:33.974+01:00The only "lesson" the history of the las...The only "lesson" the history of the last 200 years teaches us is that the Left are stupidly and wickedly wrong about pretty much everything (and the greater their power the greater their destruction) but you do not have to read a history book to know that, just listen to a Leftist for more than five minutes.<br /><br />Conservatism is essentially the attempt to moderate the destruction caused by Leftists. <br /><br />I suspect that it is psychology ("malignant narcissism") which is the key to understanding Leftists, the key texts being Shakespeare not Freud.<br /><br />An interest in history is driven by curiosity about what it is to be human, both in the sense of what we did, and what we have "inherited" - in both the good and bad sense of that word.<br /><br />To have no interest or knowledge of history is to be an ignoramus, but if you read history in order to extract lessons from it then you might as well not bother.Chris Goodmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70911228296906051432009-09-19T19:25:15.317+01:002009-09-19T19:25:15.317+01:00John Macleod: Tony Blair was born in Scotland, but...John Macleod: Tony Blair was born in Scotland, but most Scots still regard him as English. Charles and James were following in their (indubitably Scottish) grandfathers footsteps. The Wellingtonian theory of nationality applies and, even if it did not, it remains tendentious to refer to kings from a Scottish dynasty as "London" Monarchs.<br /><br />Further, as I am sure you are aware, the reason for the wartime witchcraft trial was, ostensibly, fraud and, in practice, a real security issue. Questionable perhaps, but not really evidence of intolerance.<br /><br />As to the Lewes bonfire, if I was a Roman Catholic, or part of any other minority, I would face the citizens of Lewes (or any English town) in preference to oh so tolerant Rangers fans, any day. Perhaps Starkey's views on Scottish intolerance are based as much on the present as the past.Salmondnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04135160187810480222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15917903570295841572009-09-19T18:32:24.316+01:002009-09-19T18:32:24.316+01:00Plumb not PlumPlumb not PlumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1895543631104773582009-09-19T18:30:49.787+01:002009-09-19T18:30:49.787+01:00Perhaps Mr Starkey, as a historian, might let us k...Perhaps Mr Starkey, as a historian, might let us know which great constitutional reforms in this Country have been achieved on a bilateral and consensual basis - rather than using the unilateral approach that he criticises?tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64514217429779149242009-09-19T17:37:00.115+01:002009-09-19T17:37:00.115+01:00Hi, Salmondnet. Charles II was born in England; he...Hi, Salmondnet. Charles II was born in England; he had a Danish granny, a French mother and a Portuguese wife. He never once visited Scotland during his reign, after the Restoration of 1660 - though his brother, later King James VII and II, did play some part north of the Border, on occasion supervising the torture of Presbyterian dissidents. (Grovelling apologies re my earlier posting for typing '1988' rather than '1688'.)The pair were about as Scottish as Harold Macmillan, their rule in Scotland was uniformly bad (and scarcely better in England, though at least they refrained there from the judicial murder of hundreds of their own subjects), and the atrocities of their consecutive reigns north of the Border - such as the two women drowned at the stake by the Solway Tide - were extensive and incontestable. In fact, the Stuarts ended up so detested in their ancestral land that, in 1746, more Scots actually fought against 'Bonnie Prince Charlie' at Culloden than for him. Might we leave the mythology to Starkey; and let him preen on the tolerance of a land that twice expelled its Jews, decreed as late as 1978 that no Roman Catholic could be Speaker or Lord Chancellor and still has the Pope annually burnt in effigy for a jolly jape - no, you read that right, and not at Larkhall, Lanarkshire; but Lewes, Sussex.John MacLeodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881108230589246186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10900282286842107092009-09-19T16:23:32.339+01:002009-09-19T16:23:32.339+01:00Great to see David Starkey's interview. He sa...Great to see David Starkey's interview. He sadly as Ross mentioned doesn't do as much current affairs as usual (in the 90's he did the Moral Maze on TV as well as radio, also Question Time, and his radio show on Talk Radio). <br /><br />A lot of people seem to think that the local government reorganisation of the 1970s was a bad idea(Peter Hitchens of the Daily Mail does).<br /><br />I am also find it interesting that he doesn't like Keith Joseph, but likes Margaret Thatcher. From his quote :"Heath and Joseph together were a catastrophe."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19097772038210966102009-09-19T16:02:43.019+01:002009-09-19T16:02:43.019+01:00I am attracted by Davids eccentricity and share hi...I am attracted by Davids eccentricity and share his small government ideals. But as a revered historian and on the subject of Scotland, John McLeod has exposed that Starkey's pomposity displays rather stark ignorance.Nonetheless another great post Mr.Dale, keep them coming.No Societynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32388477214541165122009-09-19T15:30:37.994+01:002009-09-19T15:30:37.994+01:00Excellent interview Iain. I always find Starkey...Excellent interview Iain. I always find Starkey's views interesting as, whether you agree with him or not, he's very forthright and doesn't cloak his words and meaning in PC 'double-speak'. Very refreshing nowadays.<br /><br />Who <b>is</b> Nick Clegg BTW?<br /><br /><br />;Dsaucepannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76383391301198738442009-09-19T14:53:31.303+01:002009-09-19T14:53:31.303+01:00John Macleod:
Despite Ken Livingstone's best ...John Macleod:<br /><br />Despite Ken Livingstone's best efforts London does not have Kings, so "a London Monarch" is an unashamedly tendentious description of two rulers from the (Scottish) Stuart dynasty.Salmondnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04135160187810480222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73147922059969261252009-09-19T14:36:29.871+01:002009-09-19T14:36:29.871+01:00Very entertaining stuff, especially about the Scot...Very entertaining stuff, especially about the Scots.<br />Pity he is half-hearted about endorsing the obvious solution: independence for England.Hamishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07401451754373118599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77298452850806713592009-09-19T14:16:39.661+01:002009-09-19T14:16:39.661+01:00@ Jeff
So what does a game of cards have to do wi...@ Jeff<br /><br />So what does a game of cards have to do with this discussion?<br /><br />'Outranks'? How?<br /><br />You're just expressing a personal preference or opinion. I'm asking for the rationale behind it.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41196054227527521662009-09-19T13:10:37.932+01:002009-09-19T13:10:37.932+01:00'Blather of common places'
Should be comm...'Blather of common places'<br /><br />Should be commonplaces (meaning trite and lazy form of words)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62525125691100984562009-09-19T12:57:53.412+01:002009-09-19T12:57:53.412+01:00Paddy Briggs makes a good point about the presiden...Paddy Briggs makes a good point about the presidency, even if a little skewed. <br />Sarah Palin wasn't a heartbeat from the presidency because her TV appearances and the primaries exposed her weakness and ignorance.<br />she actually fell from grace during the race, not after.<br /><br />Bush won because he promised a lot of easy answers. Blair did too. Obama didn't promise much, and hasn't been able to deliver much either, but, for an American, he is very radical.<br />In a presidential race Brown would lag behind, as would Heath. IDS and Clegg as would Major and probably the 1979 Maggie.<br />Vince would do better than expected, as would Hague, Harman,Ed Miliband and Howard, but they wouldn't win.<br />Wilson, Cameron and Blair would walk it.<br /><br />Johnson and Balls wouldn't even get nominated.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28077763463093304462009-09-19T12:41:09.399+01:002009-09-19T12:41:09.399+01:00@Unsworth
trumps@Unsworth<br /><br /><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trumps" rel="nofollow">trumps</a>Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485196287282298695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20825986217694224672009-09-19T12:24:47.103+01:002009-09-19T12:24:47.103+01:00Bobby: And what is wrong with having the power in ...Bobby: And what is wrong with having the power in the south of England? We generate the wealth YOU lot in the north want it spent on Heroin, benefits and football.<br /><br />How often do you see strikes in the south? They are always in shitholes like Liverpool or Manchester. Do you think all those migrants at Calais are looking to move to dumpholes like Liverpool for jobs? Of course not, well not unless they want to be drugs dealers I guess.<br /><br />You people seem to think you are owed a living by the rest of us.<br /><br />I'd like to see the south break away from the north, go join the Scots and the Welsh and see how you get on once the teat of southern English tax payers has been removed from your mouths.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10574081059364644191noreply@blogger.com