tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post7262019326072158760..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: What Did You Think of Dave's Speech?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger138125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40584723688286589442007-10-04T18:25:00.000+01:002007-10-04T18:25:00.000+01:00If you don't want an argument to stray off topic, ...If you don't want an argument to stray off topic, don't indulge in preposterous historical revisionism, and don't spew bile about survivors of America's worst natural disaster in rececnt times. It is the kind of stuff that confirms every non-Conservative's worst fears about the Party.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, you are entirely right that this thread is supposed to be about the speech - my apologies for straying. For what it's worth, I thought it was quite good, but it feels like Iain, the rest of the media, and politicians on both sides are overestimating the amount of momentum that can be carried from one conference speech. Let's see if we can pop the Westminster bubble (which has temporarily relocated to the seaside) - let's stay calm, not trust polls too much at this point, wait to see if an election is called, and then consider 'momentum' on a much longer timescale. We are not even at the end of the beginning of whatever election campaign there might be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45783121419288278242007-10-04T18:00:00.000+01:002007-10-04T18:00:00.000+01:00Impressed... but there's still something lacking. ...Impressed... but there's still something lacking. <BR/><BR/>Shame, because he seems so sincere. <BR/><BR/>Wonder what David Davies was thinking a few yards away...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66079449492546835472007-10-04T16:11:00.000+01:002007-10-04T16:11:00.000+01:00Thats done it for me - after weeks of disappointme...Thats done it for me - after weeks of disappointment's (especially that rubbish about grammar schools - and I never went to one!) I'm now firmly ready to give him my vote - better still I'm now going to join the party - not just Dave but what a week - brilliant - just stay as you are Dave and Brown and his spinning cronies days are numberedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55505459459402641702007-10-04T15:23:00.000+01:002007-10-04T15:23:00.000+01:00Typo re Nagin. I'm sure it's spelled correctly in...Typo re Nagin. I'm sure it's spelled correctly in the Dallas telephone directory.<BR/><BR/>NO has lower welfare payments than many big US cities because it is not a big US city. It is tiny. Less than a million people. Of course it's not going to have the same welfare payouts as Houston, LA, Philadelphia, New York, etc!<BR/><BR/>If you don't know what One Worlders are, there's no point in talking to you, although I might point you in the direction of a mirror.<BR/><BR/>This thread is supposed to be about Dave's speech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42188676893795726072007-10-04T14:34:00.000+01:002007-10-04T14:34:00.000+01:00Please, please check your facts first. Welfare pay...Please, please check your facts first. Welfare payments in Louisiana are amongst the lowest in the United States. What evidence can you present to prove that anyone is deliberately avoiding work to receive the pittance provided by the state? What evidence can you present that the presence of unemployment benefits or food stamps caused people to stay in New Orleans? <BR/><BR/>Could you please explain what Coke and fried chicken have to do with the emergency response? Is it possible that, in the absence of any empirical evidence or observations, you might be using a tired stereotype of lower class Americans to bolster your argument? <BR/><BR/>What is 'One Worlderism'? Can you fill out the rest of 'We are the children blah blah blah'? Kindly refrain from juvenile caricatures of my beliefs.<BR/><BR/>I cannot account for your peculiar comments about Mississippi's response. The damage there was nowhere near as severe. <BR/><BR/>As regards the looting and other crime seen in the immediate aftermath, what makes you think a city as large as New Orleans wouldn't have criminals to begin with? Those incidents (and I'm certainly not denying their existence) were tragic, but not exactly a totally unexpected side effect of such a great humanitarian disaster.<BR/><BR/>And it's Mayor 'Nagin', not 'Nagins'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48878017693208104692007-10-04T13:57:00.000+01:002007-10-04T13:57:00.000+01:00And Keep Your Prejudices to Yourself - and I sugge...<B>And Keep Your Prejudices to Yourself</B> - and I suggest you do the same, oh keen adherent of the New World Order - Here's my answer on New Orleans and so-called Katrina, which was actually the outer fringes of Hurricane Katrina that touched down in Mississippi (a red state which was out on the streets rebuilding the following morning):<BR/><BR/>I find your One Worlderism nauseating.<BR/><BR/><I>How, precisely, if you live in extreme poverty, as many in that city did, and if you have no relations or friends outside the city, are you supposed to get out?</I><BR/><BR/>How about getting on a bus, Clyde? Plenty of people had the get-up-and-go to get up and go on a bus out of New Orleans. Including old people and disabled people. It was the welfare dregs that stayed, waiting for the "gummint" to tell them what to do. Finally,the city government - in a panic move - decided to house them in the Dome, where they immediately began terrorising, raping and robbing the weak and helpless.<BR/><BR/><I>If you have no money, nowhere to go, and no means of transport; if you are caring for an elderly or sick relative without assistance or insurance; if you have been spending each day of your life before the flood in a desperate attempt to keep your head above the dark waters of poverty and unemployment - what else are you supposed to do but hope that the institutions of the modern state under which you live might offer assistance?</I><BR/><BR/>The dark waters of poverty and unemployment? These people have never looked for a job in their lives. Many of them have never left the sofa. They are five generations into welfare dependency. The only thing they were motivated to do, the ones who weren't too fat to move, was loot. They didn't need insurance! They had the taxpayer! No insurance? They have the entire United States Government to look after their welfare! <BR/><BR/>In fact, Katrina provided us with a vivid, nauseating illustration of where welfare dependency leads- an insatiable hunger for fried chicken and Coke - loaded; not Diet - and daytime TV.<BR/><BR/>You know what? Even Mayor Nagins can't stand the place. He moved his family to Dallas for the hurricane, and guess what! They're still there! Meanwhile, Governor Blanco, who refused federal help to get the helpless out of the city, has developed a kind of Tourette's Syndrome of declaring a state of emergency - having so signally failed during Katrina to allow the President to send in Federal help, she recently declared a state of emergency for Hurricane Dean, which wasn't headed anywhere near Louisiana, and Hurricane Felix, which was headed across Mexico, around 600 or 700 miles to the south.<BR/><BR/>The people who had the gumption to get up and go and made it to Houston were housed, free, in the Astrodome and were given swipe cards to get in and out. There were job fairs organised on the hoof and most of those who got out of NO and made it to Houston are still there, employed.<BR/><BR/>Before you do your One Worlder number of "We are the children blah blah blah" there were plenty of fat white welfare slobs who were also glued to their couches and TVs for the duration, and there are plenty of successful middle class black people who got the hell out under their own steam, and - you may not know this - plenty of very rich black people who boarded up their mansions and got out in good time and an orderly manner. <BR/><BR/>Welfare drains ambition and people stay passive and obedient. Let's can the faux sympathy and admit that the people who support these controlling programmes are in it for power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55758183484453747812007-10-04T12:43:00.000+01:002007-10-04T12:43:00.000+01:00Eighteen or nineteen points between now and 1st or...Eighteen or nineteen points between now and 1st or 8th November, Newmania, so as to have the eleven point lead necessary for an overall majority of one (ONE!)? Pull the other one!<BR/><BR/>I am not "supporting" Brown. I am simply stating the fact: it is not just that the Tories won't win this Election, but that they actually can't. With enormous (indeed, fatal) ramificatiosn for all three parties, though beginning with the Tories.<BR/><BR/>As for the local elections, they proved two things: that far fewer people vote in local elections (who knew?); and that those hardcore voters will happily vote for Tories who are not like David Cameron, and who do not like David Cameron (indeed, who are in many ways much more like Gordon Brown - that bit older, impeccably middle-class but not posh, socially conservative, and all in favour of lavish public spending so long is it is on their own and their supporters' pet projects).<BR/><BR/>When it comes to Parliament, Cameron has turned super-safe seats into knife-edge marginals, and respectable second places into distant thirds, on one memorable occasion only very slightly ahead of the BNP.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54501044426125156662007-10-04T12:31:00.000+01:002007-10-04T12:31:00.000+01:00You are all still missing the real story: the Tori...<I>You are all still missing the real story: the Tories CANNOT win because elections are now, to call a spade a spade, rigged against them. Not against any conservative party. Not against any "free" market libertarian party (which would just lose fair and square anyway). But against the Tories. I do not, of course, write this as any fan of the Tories. It is just the fact of the matter.</I><BR/><BR/>David I have puzzled over this oft repeated fairy tale which, in view of the recent Conservative Local Council gains is demonstrably untrue . You are to some extent correct in that the boundary commission cannot keep up with the frenzied attempts of Britons to leave Labour rule areas and this is worth about twenty seats most of the time . The absurd position of outlying Celtic nationalist areas contributing seats to the government of England yet retaining powers under their own parliaments is clearly against the interests of the English , justified or not . This is worth up to fifty seats . The escalation of the public sector is a more insidious development whereby the state accentuates the propensity of a mass electorate to try to live from the endeavours of others. So yes the natural Conservative Majority is discriminated against as are the English and the private sector . <B>For this reason Labour do not exist in these areas. The ones that pay for everyhting</B> <BR/><BR/><BR/>Despite the despicable rigging operated by the Labour Party much of which actually fell into their lap there is no mystery about obtaining a majority. You think 11% is a lot but it is not really because the last few percents are like six pointers . It’s a five of six percent swing one to the other recently achieved and by no means impossible <BR/><BR/>To call a spade a spade the sitting administration is protected by the world economies performance and we have never experienced this situation before . This is actually what makes them seem impregnable and not any mysterious cultural trend that you have read in your tea leaves at the age of 120. The Conservative Party has undergone some change and perhaps will change more but a new system will not happen anfor all your supposed independent thinking in practice you are supporting an illiberal tax and spend socialist who is already detested by a numerical majority of the country.<BR/><BR/>What real chance has he of ruling anything ? Not much . WE are already dug in after Blair and the attacks will be unceasingNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2569713045000298342007-10-04T11:18:00.000+01:002007-10-04T11:18:00.000+01:00When people here say they think it was the right t...When people here say they think it was the right thing for Cameron to lead Blair's standing ovation they make me wonder whether Peter Hitchens and Peter Obourne are right in their view that the Tories and NuLab are just different sides of the same coin.<BR/><BR/>How could any politician applaud a man who deliberately lied to the public and parliament to get us into a war that has led to the needless loss of life of so many British servicemen and innocent Iraqi civilians? Would the Conservative Party still have supported the war if they had been told the truth?<BR/><BR/>Sadly one must conclude that Cameron really is the heir to Blair. He is still too much in awe of Blairs shallow politics and PR spin. I believe that there is still a good chance of a general abstention of Tory right wingers at the next election in an attempt to stop the ever left-sliding ratchet effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40067836231036402862007-10-04T10:48:00.000+01:002007-10-04T10:48:00.000+01:00What is more, Verity, your comments on the flood o...What is more, Verity, your comments on the flood of New Orleans are sickening. How, precisely, if you live in extreme poverty, as many in that city did, and if you have no relations or friends outside the city, are you supposed to get out? If you have no money, nowhere to go, and no means of transport; if you are caring for an elderly or sick relative without assistance or insurance; if you have been spending each day of your life before the flood in a desperate attempt to keep your head above the dark waters of poverty and unemployment - what else are you supposed to do but hope that the institutions of the modern state under which you live might offer assistance?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16735462041961087812007-10-04T10:29:00.000+01:002007-10-04T10:29:00.000+01:00Verity, you have absolutely no idea what you are t...Verity, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You simply cannot say that the Americans "have a higher percentage of people who turn out at the polls than we do". The last time more than 60% voted in a presidential election was 1968. In mid-term congressional elections [the houses of Congress constitute the bicameral federal legislature, and as such are perhaps a fairer target for comparison with the Commons], turnout hovers around 38%, roughly comparable to the proportion that turn out to LOCAL elections here. <BR/><BR/>And as for the Great Society, your remarks display a complete ignorance of thirty years of historical and political scholarship. Richard Nixon rolling back the Great Society? Let's have a look. It was Nixon who increased Medicare and Social Security payments to a decent level after LBJ. It was Nixon who created the EPA. And how about the Family Assistance Plan? How about increased spending on education? How about the negative income tax proposal?<BR/><BR/>Making reference to American politics seems to be in fashion these days - I dare say it's because everyone has read a couple of articles in the FT about Clinton and Giuliani. Before you next embark on a glib and inaccurate attempt at comparative government, may I suggest you do your homework?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29181170462845580732007-10-04T09:30:00.000+01:002007-10-04T09:30:00.000+01:00You are all still missing the real story: the Tori...You are all still missing the real story: the Tories CANNOT win because elections are now, to call a spade a spade, rigged against them. Not against any conservative party. Not against any "free" market libertarian party (which would just lose fair and square anyway). But against the Tories. I do not, of course, write this as any fan of the Tories. It is just the fact of the matter.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And the Tory bogeyman is the only thing keeping the Labour Party in existence. If such members as there still are (mostly retired, almost all over 50, in safe seats normally in receipt of councillors' allowances or married to people who are, practically unheard of anywhere else) ever cottoned on that no such bogeyman existed anymore, then that would be the end of the Labour Party. It has never had any concept of itself apart from as a weapon against the Tories. But no such weapon is now necesasry.<BR/><BR/>And they will cotton on, sooner rather than later. Labour is as doomed as the Tories, precisely beacuse, without the Tories, there can be a social democratic party, or a left-wing party, or a trade union-based party, or whatever, but there cannot, and there very soon will not, be the Labour Party.<BR/><BR/>That is the real story. Cameron's charming enough but content-free waffle is no story at all, not least beacuse he is always like that.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77015065704443118752007-10-04T09:20:00.000+01:002007-10-04T09:20:00.000+01:00Listening to speechmakers at this conference and t...Listening to speechmakers at this conference and the NuLab conference, they’re all pussyfooting around the immigration nightmare. One of the commonest phrases used in any of the preambles is, “We know (never, ‘I know’) the value that immigration has brought, and is bringing, to our economy”. Who says so? Half arsed Economists whose banal theories have destroyed most of our manufacturing base, economic migrants who contribute nothing to our society once they get here by working black or engaging in criminal acts, and the expanded EU members who have free access to our country, its benefits and are not obliged to take employment. The social costs of this little lot are astronomic and are throttling our social infrastructure. The criticism by the UK (NuLab) of Austria and Germany when they refused to accept immigrants from former East European lands for the first 7 years of membership, was completely misplaced and the UK has paid the price. Even now Brown is suggesting that Turkey should be allowed to join the EU. Has he not learned anything? Is he living on another planet? Is he that stupid that he wants to decimate our culture completely? Believe me when I tell you that if the Turks are allowed into the EU, the immigration into good old GB will make the Polish invasion seem like a garden party.Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90637460994513453792007-10-04T09:04:00.000+01:002007-10-04T09:04:00.000+01:00"....Speak for yourself. You sound like a bit of a..."....Speak for yourself. You sound like a bit of a nellie. I hate Tony Blair and I hate Gordon Brown and if I got a chance to vindictive to either one of them, trust me, I'd go there....."<BR/><BR/>Verity,<BR/><BR/>That's fine for you. And, honestly, I wasn't trying to patronize you. Trouble is, I can't see going around hating people would make me any happier, or get Labour out of office any quicker. And there are risks in that sort of hatred. The next stage is to see the objects of hatred as somehow lesser than the rest of us, and the next stage after that...... Well, we've all read our history books and lived through a bit of history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66835624491414820332007-10-04T03:17:00.000+01:002007-10-04T03:17:00.000+01:00Best speech Blair never gave.Best speech Blair never gave.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32516733244716658972007-10-04T02:17:00.000+01:002007-10-04T02:17:00.000+01:00Diablo says: "NuLab people are still obsessed wit...Diablo says: "NuLab people are still obsessed with "class warfare" and their own "roots"."<BR/><BR/>I don't think that's it at all these days (or perhaps ever) Diabolo. <BR/><BR/>It's about control. There were some firemen yesterday, who focused their fire engine's headlights on four gays having sex in public, and one of the gays complained that the fire fighters were "homophobic" - despite that sex in public is against the law - and the fire rescuers were demoted and fined £1,000 - sacrificed. Do you think they'll stay with the firefighting/people rescuing service or maybe move on? Anyone's guess!<BR/><BR/>The One Worlders want to suppress all human instincts - don't jump into the water to save a child! You may get hurt! We'll have to fine you! Don't protect your home! The burglar may get hurt! We'll have to fine you or send you to prison! Don't let children have the natural run of their instincts like climbing trees as young creatures! They may get hurt and "social services" will have to kidnap them from your home and you may never see them again. And they will indoctrinated in the faith.<BR/><BR/>The control in today's Britain is heavier than in the USSR. Did they forbid children to play in the USSR? Were the police forbidden to fight actual crime in the USSR?<BR/><BR/>After 11 years of Blair and Brown, the USSR is beginning to look good.<BR/><BR/>Dave doesn't seem to have addressed the greatest threat to Britain today - the threat to the individual citizen whose rights have been surgically removed, under anaesthetic, so he hasn't even noticed.<BR/><BR/>He didn't address this assault. He's going with the programme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2445114460239058682007-10-04T02:15:00.000+01:002007-10-04T02:15:00.000+01:00Diablo says: "NuLab people are still obsessed wit...Diablo says: "NuLab people are still obsessed with "class warfare" and their own "roots"."<BR/><BR/>I don't think that's it at all these days (or perhaps ever) Diabolo. <BR/><BR/>It's about control. There were some firemen yesterday, who focused their fire engine's headlights on four gays having sex in public, and one of the gays complained that the fire fighters were "homophobic" - despite that sex in public is against the law - and the fire rescuers were demoted and fined £1,000 - sacrificed. Do you think they'll stay with the firefighting/people rescuing service or maybe move on? Anyone's guess!<BR/><BR/>The One Worlders want to suppress all human instincts - don't jump into the water to save a child! You may get hurt! We'll have to fine you! Don't protect your home! The burglar may get hurt! We'll have to fine you or send you to prison! Don't let children have the natural run of their instincts like climbing trees as young creatures! They may get hurt and "social services" will have to kidnap them from your home and you may never see them again. And they will indoctrinated in the faith.<BR/><BR/>The control in today's Britain is heavier than in the USSR. Did they forbid children to play in the USSR? Were the police forbidden to fight actual crime in the USSR?<BR/><BR/>After 11 years of Blair and Brown, the USSR is beginning to look good.<BR/><BR/>Dave doesn't seem to have addressed the greatest threat to Britain today - the threat to the individual citizen whose rights have been surgically removed, under anaesthetic, so he hasn't even noticed.<BR/><BR/>He didn't address this assault. He's going with the programme.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66308524750089242212007-10-04T01:47:00.000+01:002007-10-04T01:47:00.000+01:00londoner (1.13am)- excellent comment! It's all abo...londoner (1.13am)- excellent comment! It's all about talent and ability. I don't care where my leaders have come from as long as they have both.<BR/><BR/>NuLab people are still obsessed with "class warfare" and their own "roots". Bojaxs!Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1272649533027202562007-10-04T01:13:00.000+01:002007-10-04T01:13:00.000+01:00Someone asked much earlier on when was the last ti...Someone asked much earlier on when was the last time someone as "posh" as Cameron held, or shadowed, a party leadership or major office of State.<BR/><BR/>On our side - about 4 years. Michael Ancram, Marquis of whatever it is, was Shadow Foreign Secretary and Deputy Leader. <BR/><BR/>On Labour's side - about 4 weeks. Harriet Harman not only went to the top academic girls' school, St Paul's (not quite as posh as Eton, granted) but is the niece of an Earl. Presumably by marrying a union leader she married down, which Cameron didn't, but I don't think he has any such close relations within the higher (or any) ranks of the peerage. (OK, pedants, she's not in one of the great offices of state, but she is Deputy Leader.)<BR/><BR/>Cameron deliberately said that he is the son of a stockbroker. This code was obviously lost on most of the audience, but it may have reassured any upper middle class tiolers who distrust the aristocracy as they would know that aristocrats rather look down on stockbrokers. Useful yes, and they might even take lunch off them once a year to discuss their portfolio (if needs must), but not usually as a social equal. If the "top drawer" did go into the City (I'm talking Cameron's father's generation), they would have gone into a merchant bank. [I know all this because I started working life quite a few years ago as a stockbroker; some people might mistake me as posh because I went to a "top" school; but I know, as Cameron probably does, that my forebears were upper middle class, borderline local gentry at best, with not a sniff anywhere in the family of a peerage.<BR/><BR/>The Bullingham Club I should think just means he was an Etonian who was charming and popular at school, had the money, and did not turn them down.<BR/><BR/>It's all absolutely irrelevant as to whether he'd be any good as PM of course. Just as Harriet Harman's uncle is not the reason she is painfully useless as a Cabinet Minister. Now may we please move on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69570804829364914452007-10-04T00:48:00.000+01:002007-10-04T00:48:00.000+01:00Nixon wasn't dull. Cynical, as all old pols are, ...Nixon wasn't dull. Cynical, as all old pols are, yes, but it was he who opened up trade with China. <BR/><BR/>It was he who began the rollback of LBJ's socially disastrous "Great Society" with welfare for one and all. Today, in some areas of the US, there are five generations on welfare who have never known what it was to provide for themselves or think for themselves.<BR/><BR/>Out of interest, they were the ones stranded and festering in New Orleans when "Hurricane Katrina" (actually, it was just the outer fringes of the hurricane* - in other words, heavy rain)hit New Orleans and didn't have the wit to get out. Because "the gummint" hadn't provided transport.<BR/><BR/>This is a perfect example of socialist welfarey. All the smart people, white and black, who were professionals, owned businesses or worked for their living, made their own arrangements to get out, and went. What was left was the welfare class who, never having had to make a decision in living memory, stayed on waiting for the government to make decisions for them. Even when the water from the cheaply built breached levêes came flooding into their homes, they simply moved up to the next floor and waited to be rescued.<BR/><BR/>This is the passivity the socialists seek worldwide. People who take direction and don't ask questions.<BR/><BR/>Nixon started rolling all this back. And opened up China to the West. He is a hero.<BR/><BR/>What the One Worlders/New World Order want is, obedience. That is why every single human instinct is being outlawed in Britain due to health and safety concerns.<BR/><BR/>Dave isn't inclined to fight them or fight for the British people. He just wants his share at the top table.<BR/><BR/>As far as I can see, his speech didn't suggest anything radical other than - if a commenter above is correct, he calls his wife "babe" (as in, pretending to believe the mic to be off and saying, "I love you, babe.") <I>Babe?</I> Who,among British voters, did he think he was relating to? <BR/><BR/>Tone deaf on every level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25025217207235436112007-10-04T00:37:00.000+01:002007-10-04T00:37:00.000+01:00"If he calls an election he loses, and if he doesn..."If he calls an election he loses, and if he doesn't call an election he loses"<BR/><BR/>You must be joking Iain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67158220567869493382007-10-04T00:33:00.000+01:002007-10-04T00:33:00.000+01:00With some notable exceptions, I have never read su...With some notable exceptions, I have never read such a collected load of old tosh rendered by your commenters on David Cameron's speech.<BR/><BR/>His tour de force yesterday was notable not only for his ability to speak without an autocue but because of its content and sheer commonsense.<BR/><BR/>The idiocy of people like Chris Paul's comments and the views of some unreconstructed ultra right wingers who still believe that Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbitt are about to return to lead the Conservatives are just risible.<BR/><BR/>Compared to Brown's so-called clunking fist, Cameron has the footwork and the fast hands of Mohammad Ali against Sonny Liston. Cameron "stings like a bee".....<BR/><BR/>There is now a buzz about the Conservatives.Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44263683583475146472007-10-04T00:29:00.000+01:002007-10-04T00:29:00.000+01:00Brown has a real dilemma now. If he calls an elect...<I>Brown has a real dilemma now. If he calls an election he loses, and if he doesn't call an election he loses.</I><BR/><BR/>Unless he calls the election and wins. Or doesn't call the election until later...and wins.<BR/><BR/>Other than that, I really can't fault your logic.Normal Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374935277497669293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42020363715451432652007-10-03T23:56:00.000+01:002007-10-03T23:56:00.000+01:00Lindsay - I wish you would stop this absurd Camero...Lindsay - I wish you would stop this absurd Cameron is Scottish motif .I assume you read a provocative article somewhere and it has lodged in your mind inducing a sort of billious Tourettes on the subject.<BR/><BR/>He was born and brought up in England attended a very Englisgh school and has spent his working life in England. I am aware of his lineage . Mrs. N has a Trinidadian lineage ( and Welsh) but believe me she is English . We are not racists here and this disgraceful slur is is most unsavoury.Even if he does have a tincture of the unmentionable Pictish Hoard in the escutcheon he stands for the English. On privilege you misunderstand me . Brown had a privileged background which was also a political conveyor belt . No need for gainful employment for wee Gordy .He is an insider to the ruling elite of Scotland. In the only sense that matters he is the one who had an easy ride.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The Conservatives were only recently placed to oust Brown and I certain it is possible . Difficult I grant you and the English votes question looms larger in the vent of a split majority. Brown cannot rule England with no majority here with or without English votes . Quite right too. The current blatant attack on the English cannot be sustained as the British idea , never strong , slips into memory. <BR/><BR/>The new politics is nationalist and Libertarian. A mixed blessing for Conservatives but an unmixed disaster for collectivism.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally your idea that Thatcherites and Conservative have nothing in common would not survive ten minutes of talking to either. Most Conservatives have something of both . How the Labour party can contain Communists , Trade Unionists , Liberals and Conservatives like Field and Gisela Stuart amazes meNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77765776419555896962007-10-03T23:52:00.000+01:002007-10-03T23:52:00.000+01:00well, by this time of night everebode hav got a li...well, by this time of night everebode hav got a little steamed up, but if nobodes' flagged it up yet can i humbly suggest that your billboard campaign copy rede...<BR/> <BR/>"We fight, Britain Wins!" <BR/><BR/>...& that this become the universal mantra, should the innevitably uninnevitable, forthcoming,potential, expected,...er..cont p94@molesworth_1https://www.blogger.com/profile/12278870362360637173noreply@blogger.com