tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6855803698318109238..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: An Open Letter to Helen BoadenIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger140125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81987639299298182832007-08-20T21:58:00.000+01:002007-08-20T21:58:00.000+01:00I tried to post this on BBC Newsnight web site ton...I tried to post this on BBC Newsnight web site tonight and it was rejected as not being accepted<BR/><BR/><BR/>Newsnight enjoys the huge payroll of employing the "great broadcasters" but come all the private school holidays they all vanish,and we are fed Iran non-stop. <BR/>Sky News has a different outlook which is why they win the RTS awards for services to Broadcasting..<BR/>Was this a poor observation ?Harriet Hamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14081815172915802675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58757756103511092122007-08-20T11:38:00.000+01:002007-08-20T11:38:00.000+01:00I'm not coming out to play.And yet here you are.:o...<I>I'm not coming out to play.</I><BR/><BR/>And yet here you are.<BR/><BR/>:o)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10044153581124964392007-08-20T11:37:00.000+01:002007-08-20T11:37:00.000+01:00I wonder if those of you who heard the Cameron int...I wonder if those of you who heard the Cameron interview by Naughtie on Radio 4’s Today were as annoyed as me with the “hug a hoodie” jibe from the interviewer? <BR/><BR/>I believe that the Beeb’s impartiality should extend to the avoidance of perpetuating urban myths such as this. These insinuations that when repeated often enough end up appearing to be true. <BR/><BR/>I’m sure Cameron is annoyed by having to rebut this line time and again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71128302601675456392007-08-20T10:01:00.000+01:002007-08-20T10:01:00.000+01:00The trouble is, this time I'm not coming out to pl...The trouble is, this time I'm not coming out to play. <BR/><BR/><BR/>But you did. Tim I always get a bit of interest why don`t you lower your sights from a serious blogger like Iain and have a look at how I do it. I `ll be happy to guive you a few tips on writing and subject matter.....It gets easier with practice<BR/><BR/>XXNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22614969415789929422007-08-20T07:59:00.000+01:002007-08-20T07:59:00.000+01:00Exactly who is this ridiculous 'Tim' personoid?Exactly who is this ridiculous 'Tim' personoid?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41573998774758686962007-08-20T00:01:00.000+01:002007-08-20T00:01:00.000+01:00jeez boys - i havent seen this much infighting act...jeez boys - i havent seen this much infighting action since i turned up at a commercial premises and asked Them to make me an offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59125145245054973872007-08-19T21:20:00.000+01:002007-08-19T21:20:00.000+01:00"Still mud slinging?" asks the man who goes straig..."Still mud slinging?" asks the man who goes straight on to suggest that I'm mentally divergent.<BR/><BR/>(applauds)<BR/><BR/>Thanks for bringing us back to the point, even if that wasn't your intention.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2021819467833656842007-08-19T21:06:00.000+01:002007-08-19T21:06:00.000+01:00Still mud slinging Tim? You really need to get som...Still mud slinging Tim? You really need to get some professional help. Many conspiracy theories are at least based on a coincidence or something that can sound vaguely plausible. Yours however...<BR/><BR/>Not being one to mock the afflicted let me tell you that Iain has never emailed me about any posting on this site, let alone anything to do with you. Keep wearing the foil hat and reading your David Icke books. Be well.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59889500069708602252007-08-19T20:38:00.000+01:002007-08-19T20:38:00.000+01:00"every man and his dog" = no mention of weaselsSo ..."every man and his dog" = no mention of weasels<BR/><BR/>So while I've got you on the line, WW, as you clearly approve of the use of multiple online identities to push your views and bypass any moderation, may I ask how many personalities you would regard to be the maximum for one person to maintain in any one thread? Just a guestimate from someone who would know is all I ask...Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58252829807823061652007-08-19T20:21:00.000+01:002007-08-19T20:21:00.000+01:00TimYou are so wrong on so many things.try this:-"M...Tim<BR/><BR/>You are so wrong on so many things.<BR/><BR/>try this:-<BR/>"Meanwhile he allows every man and his dog to flame me on his website."<BR/><BR/>Actually, I posted a fairly vile flame of you yesterday and Iain, (quite rightly) got rid of it because it was obscene and did nothing to add to the debate, though it did make me feel better.<BR/><BR/>I will however, have the pleasure of making you wonder what it said.Wrinkled Weaselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05291551539649118631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34617420479546434242007-08-19T20:08:00.000+01:002007-08-19T20:08:00.000+01:00Hey, I'm people... but thanks for dodging the poin...Hey, I'm people... but thanks for dodging the points raised just one last time for the record.<BR/><BR/>I did not accuse you of sock-puppetry you cheeky manipulator, you; if you read that passage again, you'll see that I also used the words 'spin' and 'smear' in a collective sense. Hell, you can have an extra one if you like... sheep.<BR/><BR/>[Psst! Those emails wouldn't have been from Iain "There is no conspiracy!" Dale, would they? One wonders if he might have cause to read the way this thread was going and instead of challenging my evidence publicly suggest that you shut the hell up privately. I'd say more about the likelihood of this, but I would be forced to reveal the source of an 'off the record' statement.]Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27054226159934352672007-08-19T19:54:00.000+01:002007-08-19T19:54:00.000+01:00So when you say I am up all hours smearing people ...So when you say I am up all hours smearing people you are actually accusing me of just smearing you. It does get confusing trying to make sense of your comments when you flick from the first person to the third person then refer to yourself in the plural. No matter.<BR/><BR/>If it soothes your paranoia and your juvenile desire to label anything critical of your attitude and self promoting antics as sockpuppetry, you go ahead and group me with who you like. The emails I have received telling me I am wasting my time by engaging with you have been proved prophetic.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38639740043864573712007-08-19T19:20:00.000+01:002007-08-19T19:20:00.000+01:00Tony Sharp:Where you haven't missed the point, you...Tony Sharp:<BR/><BR/>Where you haven't missed the point, you've dodged it. I love especially that you blame me for your inventions... and fail to provide the evidence required to back them up.<BR/><BR/>No evidence = you've got nothing.<BR/><BR/>As for my evidence, it's all right here in this thread.<BR/><BR/>Earlier, to undermine or draw attention away from my point, you made an unrelated statement/suggestion designed to damage that you should know to be false. That is a smear. Your repeat of it leads to think that a grudge motivates it... the only others options I can think of are stupidity or blind party loyalty.<BR/><BR/>Either way, you smeared me (for a second time) at 7:56pm on Friday with a rambling follow-up at 1:08am the next day... that's 'up at all hours', to most people.<BR/><BR/>As for flames, I've often objected to the ongoing flaming originating from this weblog and associated weblogs and (as expected) have been flamed as a result... while Dale berates me for 'dragging him into an blogwar'. Meanwhile he allows every man and his dog to flame me on his website. If he is ever cornered into simply following his own moderation policy and is forced to delete anonymous abuse directed against me (that he claims he deletes generally as a matter of course) he will do so with a flourish that questions if I might not be a bit sensitive. Typically this kind of thing is very revealing to anyone with an IQ over 100.<BR/><BR/>As counter-productive as it may seem to those on a mission to secure a Tory victory at the next election at all costs, I will continue to do this (on a casual basis at the very least) for as long as the activity is instructive to me or others. I am going somewhere with this, and the blogosphere will be cleaner as a result... life is about to become a lot tougher for those who rely on spin, sock-puppets and smears to 'win' a political debate. (And yes, it is also about to get tougher for those who rely on all of the latter and still have the audacity to scream 'spin', 'sock-puppet' or 'smear' at at their opponents.)<BR/><BR/>One look at the bigger picture should show you that Dale relies on the weak-minded to echo/endorse his opinions and bully anyone who opposes them into submission. Your flat-out refusal to see this or address any points I raise about it leads me to group you with the rest of the baaa-aaa-aaad boys.<BR/><BR/><BR/>tapestry:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2005/09/tony_blair_has.asp" REL="nofollow">Exactly.</A> Compare this to <A HREF="http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/07/shapps-denies-astroturfing-allegations.html" REL="nofollow">Iain's reaction to the absurd claims from Grant Shapps that his alleged '1234' password had been compromised</A>.<BR/><BR/>I remember at the time that you said... oh, my apologies, you didn't have much to say at all about that, did you?<BR/><BR/>I sometimes wonder what the consequences would have been had Iain Dale told the truth that day. I often wonder what role (if any) Iain's desire to become an MP (if any) plays when Head Office and/or Mr Head Of [Blank] comes a-calling.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84249310186774526712007-08-19T18:30:00.000+01:002007-08-19T18:30:00.000+01:00So much time taken to say so little Tim. Firstly i...So much time taken to say so little Tim. Firstly it is your narrative, not mine, after all you made it up. <BR/><BR/>Secondly you allege I am up at all hours smearing people. That is a complete lie. I do not smear anyone and I defy you to provide any evidence that I have. I await your excuse for being unable to do so.<BR/><BR/>Thirdly I criticised you for your hypocrisy. At a time you were calling for a blogging code of conduct and claiming high standards, you were in fact actively flaming the comments sections of blogs trying to generate traffic to your site by creating an artificial row. That is why I have a low opinion of you. By your reasoning anyone who has publicly criticised you has done so because they bear a grudge. That is pretty childish Tim.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I am not anyone's minion. I am an individual with my own views. I do not defend anyone, nor has anyone asked me to. People are quite capable of speaking for themselves - which is a point that seems lost on you. It is clear that you do not like people treating you the way you treat others. Think about that for a bit.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14447258549955068882007-08-19T16:36:00.000+01:002007-08-19T16:36:00.000+01:00Remember this man - the one who started speaking t...Remember this man - the one who started speaking the truth about NuLab. anyone who dares to break with the system of lies or who challenges it.... - where has he gone?<BR/><BR/>'Humphrys attracted further controversy in September 2005 when he allegedly branded all politicians as liars and made comments about Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and John Prescott in an after-dinner speech which was subsequently leaked to The Times by Tim Allan, a former aide to the Prime Minister.[3]. On 6 September 2005, Humphrys was censured by the Corporation for his use of "inappropriate and misguided" language.[4]'<BR/><BR/>You mean - he told the truth and paid the price.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38180065754622326322007-08-19T10:49:00.000+01:002007-08-19T10:49:00.000+01:00Tch. Silly.We have also been in contact via this w...Tch. Silly.<BR/><BR/>We have also been in contact via this weblog where twice now you've thrown the same allegation in my face when I've dared to question the integrity of Iain Dale. You were there for the relevant exchange and you know that the person who originally made it only did so because he was peeved about something else... he even said so at the time.<BR/><BR/>Why would you throw this dud ammunition in my face repeatedly if you weren't a smear-throwing grudge-holding so-and-so?<BR/><BR/>Wait... before you answer that question; let's explore your narrative;<BR/><BR/>Tim Ireland, in accepting money from the public for a project, suddenly takes on the role of general public servant, and any time he spends on something other than that project (in your case, you only ever complain when Dale is in danger) is a shocking misuse of his time, possibly even to the extent that the word 'misappropriation' can apply.<BR/><BR/>This accusation and implication comes to us (again), empty, dirty and second-hand, via Councillor Tony Sharp, a public servant who is up all hours of the day and night (and very early morning) smearing those who oppose him or his chums personally or politically. (Or, to paraphrase, using the tired old tactic of trying to deflect attention from Iain Dale's failings and throw mud at the person highlighting them.) Tell me, how is this putting your constituents first? Do they write to you often and demand that you do more to protect the reputation of right-wing bloggers?<BR/><BR/>The point I raised is that my (and anyone's) reward for criticising Iain Dale for anything (including bias) is <B>just these kinds of attacks</B> from his faithful minions. A wider point that has developed and been proved (again) in this thread is that these attacks often involve the kind of fraud, flim-flammery and flat-out abuse that Iain claims he doesn't stand for... yet he stands by and allows it when it serves his purpose. This, in itself, is bias... and before you wheel out the old "he never hid he was a Tory" chestnut, <B>this is bias on a platform where Iain claims to have no bias</B>.<BR/><BR/>If even a hint of this favouritism made itself known on the BBC discussion board, you lot would be up in arms, and you know it.<BR/><BR/>Now, Councillor Sharp, perhaps you would like to actually address that point or provide evidence* of my being unduly biased and/or using this level of comment manipulation, thereby showing that I have no place discussing it with any authority/credibility. <BR/>Do take your time... I know you have more pressing matters to attend to.<BR/><BR/>(* Please note that Iain's usual trick of saying something like "That's rich coming from you" without providing anything to back it up won't wash.)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15218076241335205632007-08-19T09:27:00.000+01:002007-08-19T09:27:00.000+01:00John Redwood salute you, excellent piece in the Te...John Redwood salute you, excellent piece in the Telegraph today <BR/><BR/>Dave sack Andy Coulson Helen Boaden has achieved much better publicity by just being so very mealy-mouthed and employing such weak foot soldiersHarriet Hamsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14081815172915802675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36606023183570504552007-08-19T08:22:00.000+01:002007-08-19T08:22:00.000+01:00No Tim, you have not answered my question at all. ...No Tim, you have not answered my question at all. You have repeated a cryptic comment that remains a total mystery to me. What is this grudge you accuse me of bearing?<BR/><BR/>It seems strange that I could have any grudge when our only contact has been the exchange of two emails, when I criticised your hypocrisy for an unnecessary smear of another blogger while simultaneously asking for blogging to be cleaned up.<BR/><BR/>Or is this your tired old tactic of trying to deflect attention from your failings and throw mud at the person highlighting them, by levelling undefined allegations of things that exist only in your mind?<BR/><BR/>When you have thought up a good 'grudge' to pin on me do be good enough to share it. I cannot wait to see what you come up with. Many thanks!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14118170939296798372007-08-18T19:11:00.000+01:002007-08-18T19:11:00.000+01:00Sorry Iain but you are talking rollocks as usual.I...Sorry Iain but you are talking rollocks as usual.I've heard several BBC news reports that have started with "Conservatives have criticised government/Labour plans for", at one stage I thought David Davis was a BBC employee he was on so bloody often ,it's the nature of political reporting to go for the downside of any proposal put forward by a political party.It seems Iain, as usual ,wants the BBC to run Tory press release/proposals the way the Tories want them presented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80729029687450433972007-08-18T18:50:00.000+01:002007-08-18T18:50:00.000+01:00To sum up- the Beeb shows a bit of left wing bias....To sum up- the Beeb shows a bit of left wing bias. The Pope shows a bit of Catholic bias too. And they are about as likely as one another to change.<BR/><BR/>Iain- I'm generally a fan but I think open letters and the like are going a little far and taking your blog a bit too seriously.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19026180096474833182007-08-18T16:11:00.000+01:002007-08-18T16:11:00.000+01:00Naughtie Naughtie I wonder why the BBC have never ...<B>Naughtie Naughtie</B> <BR/>I wonder why the BBC have never broadcast the <A HREF="http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2007/08/message-of-biased-bbc-reaches-farther.html" REL="nofollow">clip of Jim Naughtie coaching hapless power hungry Neil Kinnock</A> ?<BR/>They would never have excercised the same self censorship for a Conservative.<BR/><BR/>And why did the BBC pay lawyers £200,000 to prevent the <A REF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report">Balen report</A> from being released under the FOI act?<BR/><BR/>Now who thinks they're impartial?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78332621470820674282007-08-18T15:50:00.000+01:002007-08-18T15:50:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81960843963070578452007-08-18T15:41:00.000+01:002007-08-18T15:41:00.000+01:00You're as boring as hell TimYou're as boring as hell TimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69832824354867128892007-08-18T14:00:00.000+01:002007-08-18T14:00:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26422138256081780932007-08-18T13:49:00.000+01:002007-08-18T13:49:00.000+01:00When I was involved in party politics I was certai...When I was involved in party politics I was certain there was an anti-Conservative bias. AfterSince I left it - 15 years ago - I managed to acqire a more neutral perspective and came to believe that actually the BBC's bias was more against the governement of the day, which is actually a very healthy position for a State-run broadcaster to take. Over the last few months, with the wall-to-wall coverage of Blair's departure and Brown's arrival at No 10, I've become less sure. There is clearly a "liberal" bias there, and has been for years. Even the BBC admited that themselves in a recent report. But from time-to-time this in-built left-of-centre favouritism manifests inself in blatantly anti-Conservative coverage. and it's getting worse.AloneManhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17435048420998106381noreply@blogger.com