tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post671136943870169599..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Tory MPs Vote For ChangeIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46597378296754453682010-05-21T16:29:49.855+01:002010-05-21T16:29:49.855+01:00What a lot of babies they are. Lightweight has mo...What a lot of babies they are. Lightweight has moved with impressive speed to rein in his awkward squad (I confess I doubted he had it in him). He ran the risk that someone would have the bottle to set up a rival backbench association but he appears to have the measure of them. I can see why supporters of the swivel-eyed tendency might be miffed but I'm puzzled as to why their anger is directed at the leadership rather than against those who have decided to confine their resistance to unattributable bitching to the press.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15762871958627349092010-05-21T09:44:04.819+01:002010-05-21T09:44:04.819+01:00I worked on Election 2010 for three years. Now I s...I worked on Election 2010 for three years. Now I see that we have a leader who thinks that he can/should change the rules of parliament to strengthen the hand he has been dealt by the electorate. Now, he wants to quell dissent in the ranks by putting them under observation.<br /><br />Surely the point of the 22 is completely defeated by this move and it will come back to haunt Cameron, as instead of a quiet word in the shell-like, the dissent will spill out onto the streets.<br /><br />All very New Labour if you ask me. We might as well have Blair back.....Well....maybe not quite.The Town Crierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09971725329811922213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59919674195714040672010-05-21T08:56:36.740+01:002010-05-21T08:56:36.740+01:00Sadly, at the last election - and for the first ti...Sadly, at the last election - and for the first time in my life - I found myself unable to vote Conservative, or specifically for "Cast Iron" Dave. I for one had worked out that Cameron was not a Conservative, rather some namby-pamby rich left-of-centre, euro social christian democrat hybrid "beast". I was perhaps surprised that so many others had not worked this out too. I am therefore not at all surprised at what he is now doing although I am no less disgusted that he is doing it or being allowed to do so. I doubt that we will ever again have a truly Conservative party to vote for in this country. God help us.Goodwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16622335283524262832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1268312651547901682010-05-20T23:17:40.215+01:002010-05-20T23:17:40.215+01:00My, Cameron really is an ambitious little power-gr...My, Cameron really <b>is</b> an ambitious little power-grabbing Lefty isn't he - he's no Tory, that's for sure.<br /><br />It was despicable of him to conceal this ploy until the last minute and even moreso when you realise it was done this way to capitalise on the fact that not all MPs were able to be present to vote on the issue.<br /><br />I've never particularly trusted him and now I trust him even less.Barking Spiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968827142725464915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12990226103029898402010-05-20T23:11:38.059+01:002010-05-20T23:11:38.059+01:00A stupid and needless thing to do. For my money Ca...A stupid and needless thing to do. For my money Cameron has got little right since the election up to now, and this is a very big error. <br /><br />118 vote against, and some of the new intake will instinctively agree with them in time. Trouble ahead and he deserves it; it's almost as if he is embarrassed by the party he leads. <br /><br />The 118 will make trouble, and they have the right to, probably over Europe. You can just hear the cabinet now, pouring over the form of words needed to deny a vote on Lisbon if it needs to be brought again before parliament Expect a master class of sophistry. <br /><br />He is shedding votes by the hundred , by the day.awkwardgadgeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13630247572900639086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47347028200729657532010-05-20T21:45:36.071+01:002010-05-20T21:45:36.071+01:00Canvas, you really have got the bit between your t...Canvas, you really have got the bit between your teeth today. No more nice girl with spaghetti shades, more like <a href="http://www.dl.ket.org/webmuseum/wm/paint/auth/caravaggio/judith.jpg" rel="nofollow">this</a>.Ralph Hancockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11686354797977020917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52767380178985476762010-05-20T20:27:07.446+01:002010-05-20T20:27:07.446+01:00The Parliamentary Labour Party should now adopt th...The Parliamentary Labour Party should now adopt the position abandoned by the 1922 Committee. Whilst the 1922 Committee should now be called the 2010 Committee. There is then the possibility that 2015 election will come to be held on similar conditions to the 1918 Coupon Election which was used to hold onto much of the Lloyd George Wartime Coalition. This 1918 fix, of course, came unstuck when the 1922 Committee was established. But Cameron should beware the fate of Lloyd George and his Party at that time. But if the transferable vote comes into operation, then there might be no need for a Coupon Election in 2015. Cameron will, however, seemingly support first past-the-post which will bring a Coupon Election nearer. But perhaps there is nothing Tories need worry about as Cameron is acting more and more like Clegg day by day. So he will probably push us into the Transferable System after all and avoid a 1922 style collapse of the departing Prime Minister's Party.Harry Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01833380054575757928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86766529436916889402010-05-20T20:25:32.173+01:002010-05-20T20:25:32.173+01:00So Cameron Announces the New World Order according...So Cameron Announces the New World Order according to Channel 4.<br />If their report is correct, Cameron<br />says his coalition is the New World Order and you just have to live with it for five years.<br />Now I will watch sickeningly loyal Tories crawl over each other in the desire to justify this announcement and tell us how wonderful this all is.<br />Pass a bucket.<br />Cameron told the Tory party he was heir to Blair.<br />Exactly! Blair was NWO we all know that.<br />Cast iron has gone even further.<br />He is openly the NWO - throwing it in all our faces.<br />Happy?.<br />Glad I didn't vote for him after he reneged on Lisbon.<br />Go and buy your bubbly.<br />Tories have betrayed the very freedom and fabric of our country -that little that was left after the Single European Act and Maastricht amongst much else.<br />Tory voters you were conned and you have sold us into the economic slavery of the Bilderbergers and the entire NWO affront.rosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032680013780447537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6663084972944811162010-05-20T19:20:13.218+01:002010-05-20T19:20:13.218+01:00It seems this vote was "won" only becaus...It seems this vote was "won" only because 90 odd government ministers, PPSs etc were for some inexplicable reason, allowed to vote though not being, by definition, backbenchers. <br /><br />So most people qualified for membership voted for the status quo. <br /><br />Have I missed something?neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43324420646967394372010-05-20T18:21:06.951+01:002010-05-20T18:21:06.951+01:00kingruI've always regarded the 1922 Committee ...kingruI've always regarded the 1922 Committee as a bunch of smug saloon bar/golf club bores, as arrogant right-wing bullies.<br />Cameron, Osborne, Gove & Co got us over the finishing line.<br />Where would we be now if Brady, Cash, Leigh & Co were in charge? In the wilderness.<br />See them off Dave. The real "grassroot" members are behind their elected leader and they don't spend their time abusing him on this blog and ConservativeHome.Birdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12161658443183028628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78865391576495954212010-05-20T18:11:26.511+01:002010-05-20T18:11:26.511+01:00Are you absolutely sure about this? Not having you...Are you absolutely sure about this? Not having your leg pulled? Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else.<br /><br />If it is true, it is exactly why the backwoods Tories need a coalition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70389654040339280642010-05-20T17:33:50.814+01:002010-05-20T17:33:50.814+01:00"Labour Party lobby fodder and payroll vote e...<b>"Labour Party lobby fodder and payroll vote emasculate themselves" </b> blogs Iain Dale - then remembers its the Tories...Oh Dear!Paddy Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847108655078927970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5748050035055459922010-05-20T17:02:53.638+01:002010-05-20T17:02:53.638+01:00Simon,
I meant AV. My bad.Simon,<br /><br />I meant AV. My bad.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31608552029299792742010-05-20T16:46:20.510+01:002010-05-20T16:46:20.510+01:00The result defeats the object of having a backbenc...The result defeats the object of having a backbench committee.<br /><br />The purpose of the committee was to make the feelings of backbench Conservative M.P's known to the executive, without fear of retribution. Allowing the frontbench to be members will just drive the discontented to form another committee.Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10935138777572188326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26272009571710370742010-05-20T16:33:27.968+01:002010-05-20T16:33:27.968+01:00and everyone knows it was john major who advised D...and everyone knows it was john major who advised DC to do this. Fact. A very sensible piece of advice...The Tory Old Guard are nothing but eunuchs now!<br /><br />Right Wing Tories = eunuchs. Thank you DC! I heart you for doing this to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22317806304341319052010-05-20T16:19:25.890+01:002010-05-20T16:19:25.890+01:00Goodbye Tory Old Guard! ha ha ha Your days are num...Goodbye Tory Old Guard! ha ha ha Your days are numbered. I knew DC would get rid of them somehow... The Tory Old Guard got punked. Brilliant. Love it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75198230378627435852010-05-20T15:17:17.312+01:002010-05-20T15:17:17.312+01:00Are we witnessing rehearsals for the reappearance ...Are we witnessing rehearsals for the reappearance of the Tory "bastards",a fringe tragicomedy featuring the Right-wing as treacherous losers?<br /><br />The self-indulgent behaviour of Cash and cronies brings no satisfaction or pride to Conservative voters or workers.<br /><br />Being pursuaded and indulged by the BBC to complain, only confirms their shallowness and inability to grasp reality.jon deehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17354116589298046787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53156875860387828362010-05-20T15:13:26.277+01:002010-05-20T15:13:26.277+01:00Cameron gets elected (sort of) and then immediatel...Cameron gets elected (sort of) and then immediately starts gerrymandering the rules to strenghthen his power. He'll probably change the Conservative leadership election rules next to make it impossible to depose him.Gerry57https://www.blogger.com/profile/04992247213876699939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81472152695893555502010-05-20T14:59:05.596+01:002010-05-20T14:59:05.596+01:00@Jimmy. "There goes ATV. Poor Nick"
ATV?...@Jimmy. "There goes ATV. Poor Nick"<br />ATV? The ATV 9 analogue TV) is on the way out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33003349374074258742010-05-20T14:50:02.850+01:002010-05-20T14:50:02.850+01:00Why are people referring to "troublemakers&qu...Why are people referring to "troublemakers"? <br /><br />Expression of differing opinions is healthy - and should inform decisions. Cameron is effectively killing off free speech in his Party.<br /><br />I don't like the colour of this Conservative Party. It's becoming authoritarian and is showing itself up to be ruthless and unscrupulous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4730250833708271342010-05-20T14:34:40.951+01:002010-05-20T14:34:40.951+01:00John said...
"There may be trouble ahead...&q...John said...<br />"There may be trouble ahead..."<br />let's face the music and dance?ukipwebmasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12240335641832778726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35122252942357451932010-05-20T14:25:23.606+01:002010-05-20T14:25:23.606+01:00Iain, it is not a big majority at all. Remember th...Iain, it is not a big majority at all. Remember that all members of the parliamentary party including ministers were entitled to vote. There are 80 frontbenchers who are all effectively under the whip. That therefore leaves a majority of 118 to 90 against the change with about 20 not voting. <br /><br />With regard to the non voters, don't forget this vote was sprung by Dave without notice last night and some MPs will have been in their constituencies and not practically able to vote whereas all frontbenchers will have been in London attending to the preparation of the coalition agreement.<br /><br />Putting aside the grubby putsch that this represents, Dave has also confirmed that all his hot air about devolving power and trusting people is bunkum. He does not even trust his own backbenchers and now we know that 118 of them no longer trust him.<br /><br />The 55% proposal, the AV referendum just died and many other measures just died.p smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04412693505325590969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43198870027852232792010-05-20T14:16:49.065+01:002010-05-20T14:16:49.065+01:00@Boo said...
dear me isn't it a bit early on t...@Boo said...<br /><i>dear me isn't it a bit early on to go mad with power?</i><br /><br />It's never too early.<br /><br />@Jimmy said...<br /><i>There goes ATV.</i><br /><br />WTF is "ATV" when it's at home?Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12005283749153051742010-05-20T14:09:44.748+01:002010-05-20T14:09:44.748+01:00Hmm, the 2010 committee? I remember someone else w...Hmm, the 2010 committee? I remember someone else who threw a hissy fit and formed their own 'party' when they didn't get their own way. Hows that Veritas working out for you Kilroy?Bonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04257335545948067170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64505953575779175362010-05-20T13:55:29.034+01:002010-05-20T13:55:29.034+01:00Good!
The party and the country need strong decisi...Good!<br />The party and the country need strong decisive leadership. We were never better served than Thatcher, lets hope Cameron is just as strong.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810788783886456639noreply@blogger.com