tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6226298995442098548..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Triumph of the MediocreIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23578434602223926352009-11-21T20:02:20.845+00:002009-11-21T20:02:20.845+00:00The EU has always been a mediocracy. I shoud know,...The EU has always been a mediocracy. I shoud know, I worked in Luxembourg, if worked is the right word.<br /><br /><a href="http://greenteeth.blog.co.uk/2009/11/21/monty-python-and-the-brussels-sprouts-7428353/" rel="nofollow">Monty Python And The Brussels Sprouts</a>Ed Butthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13435201099948695502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68344991775448277322009-11-21T18:54:03.264+00:002009-11-21T18:54:03.264+00:00I don't understand the complaint about lack of...I don't understand the complaint about lack of democracy. The Commission has to be approved by the Parliament. How in the circumstances are they any more "unelected" than the cabinet?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5531663203684042152009-11-21T18:16:44.548+00:002009-11-21T18:16:44.548+00:00norman said...
"True Belle
You language says...norman said... <br />"True Belle<br />You language says it all about bigotry. About pretending to praise Thatcher, I am sure Sean Woodward would have had the same sentiments!!"<br /><br />I stand by my original comments, old bean.<br /><br />Why are you hiding away as an anonymous twerp?True Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296161522047947133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64777095556941323102009-11-21T14:09:55.310+00:002009-11-21T14:09:55.310+00:00@Unsworth: Commenteers like Paul Halsall, Simon Ga...@Unsworth: Commenteers like Paul Halsall, Simon Gardener don't believe in democracy - they seem to feel all power and opinion should be firmly restricted to their own kind. These are people who align themselves with a group that has felt it imperative to craft the vacuous mega institutions of the EU/EC in its own image- as its own piss-ridden Barbican of the 21st century. This group believes itself culturally and intellectually superior to the provincial, backward - obviously racist - and conservative hoi polloi of the UK. Members are desperate to cleanse themselves of any trace of ‘Englishness’(which of course they have every right to do), even if this means selling out their own political voice and the democratic rights of their countrymen and women.<br /><br />This class of blinkered Europhiles have as ludicrous and caricatured an idea of 'Europe' as their opponents on the right: a carefully cultivated image of cosmopolitan enlightenment, café culture, ‘peasant chic’; a new, borderless intellectual multiculturalism. The reality of this image is a bland, oppressive stasi-like superstate run for the benefit of a parasitic political elite and riddled with corruption, poverty and inequity.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06257755933967782830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47683266705073953702009-11-21T12:28:49.979+00:002009-11-21T12:28:49.979+00:00It is now coming to light that STUPID Liebour got ...It is now coming to light that STUPID Liebour got stitched up, qelle surprise! The French got the position of controlling the financial markets while we were passed the diversion of Ashton. Dumbo Gordo strikes again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37380395225988491832009-11-21T12:18:19.770+00:002009-11-21T12:18:19.770+00:00Jimmy
The Guardian has reported this. But for Gord...Jimmy<br />The Guardian has reported this. But for Gordo supporters what El Gordo does is the right thing as he 'fixed the boom and the bust'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42608954109961980402009-11-21T12:16:53.735+00:002009-11-21T12:16:53.735+00:00True Belle
You language says it all about bigotry....True Belle<br />You language says it all about bigotry. About pretending to praise Thatcher, I am sure Sean Woodward would have had the same sentiments!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53188711308985909402009-11-21T09:25:24.539+00:002009-11-21T09:25:24.539+00:00Good Lord . .
This Baroness Ashton . . she . . ....Good Lord . . <br /><br />This Baroness Ashton . . she . . . .she's a . .<br /><br />WOMAN!<br /><br />And the EU's new President of the Council is a Belgian?<br /><br />Surely they could have chosen from the many millions of UK right wing commentariat many far more qualified candidates to shout at foreigners and so forth?<br /><br />Strewth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30186367406736610282009-11-21T01:21:34.280+00:002009-11-21T01:21:34.280+00:00norman said...
"True Belle
Only stupid peopl...norman said... <br />"True Belle<br />Only stupid people like you Brownites support her. It tell your delusion and power at any cost. Yes, she has the job and you should join her or her husband Kellner."<br /><br />I say YOU are a prize plonker for assuming my politics.<br />You are the sort of political bigot who would have denied Maggie Thatcher her amazing ascent into high politics, or come to think of it , blocked Iain Dale from even passing base leg!True Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296161522047947133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82540250226796111642009-11-21T00:30:02.718+00:002009-11-21T00:30:02.718+00:00"Gordon Brown accused of taking 'wrong..."Gordon Brown accused of taking 'wrong' EU job"<br /><br />Ah good old torygraph. Who are these critics? There are apparently two of them:<br /><br />1. "Mats Persson, of the eurosceptic think tank Open Europe,"<br /><br />2. A Mr. W. Hague, SW1<br /><br />Apparently that constitutes "the City"Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54770140370359557532009-11-20T20:56:11.397+00:002009-11-20T20:56:11.397+00:00@troymolloy
Although I am not a pacifist, I regar...@troymolloy<br /><br />Although I am not a pacifist, I regard the avoidance of war in Europe (and thence the world, although that is pushing it I admit) as the highest of all achievable goals.<br /><br />I do acknowledge the importance of NATO in this in the past 60 years, but now I see the EU as the best way forward.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12498274377460894182009-11-20T20:50:00.320+00:002009-11-20T20:50:00.320+00:00No offence meant Iain? Why on earth not? Though cr...No offence meant Iain? Why on earth not? Though credit where it's due - Miliband did the right thing for the first time since becoming Foreign Sec when he turned the job down, even if it was for entirely the wrong reasons. <br /><br />Mr Halsall, you always seem like such a reasonable chap when discussing any other matter than the EU. I'm fascinated by how delusional you appear to be on the subject. Though I'm not convinced even you believe some of the viewpoints you put forth; are you really the Devil's advocate or merely playing it? If the former, you could do with some stronger material.OBC Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05199336701581647524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17526374928947116682009-11-20T20:24:53.835+00:002009-11-20T20:24:53.835+00:00The DT report report ( by James Kirkup and Bruno W...The DT report report ( by James Kirkup and Bruno Waterfield in Brussels, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/6617478/Gordon-Brown-accused-of-taking-wrong-EU-job.html)<br /> is produced the Yahoo page:<br /><br />"Gordon Brown accused of taking 'wrong' EU job<br />Gordon Brown has been accused of putting Britain's economic interest at risk by accepting the "wrong" European Union job.<br />Critics said he had sacrificed a powerful economic post in the European Commission in favour of installing Baroness Ashton as the first EU foreign minister.<br /><br />It opens the way for Michel Barnier, a centre-right French politician, to be named the next internal market commissioner overseeing financial regulation next month. <br />The prospect has alarmed the City of London, where many banks fear the imposition of new EU regulations on the financial services sector"<br /><br />Gordo is out of his mind by promoting Mrs Kellner of Kinnock's <br />cabal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29582611675901192222009-11-20T18:48:44.142+00:002009-11-20T18:48:44.142+00:00@ Simon Gardner
"How you buggers expect to b...@ Simon Gardner<br /><br />"How you buggers expect to be fit to govern is beyond me."<br /><br />Indeed.<br /><br /><br />As, it seems, are most things.<br /><br /><br />Who are "you buggers"?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77804984307637915842009-11-20T18:21:30.547+00:002009-11-20T18:21:30.547+00:00Anyone else noticed that Mrs Ashton looks like Nor...Anyone else noticed that Mrs Ashton looks like Nora Batty!!!!!PIENOMICShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11846925617061061673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70379678632230203322009-11-20T18:07:16.418+00:002009-11-20T18:07:16.418+00:00Dumbest people commenting today?
Those who keep a...Dumbest people commenting today?<br /><br />Those who keep asking who elected Van Rompuy and Baroness Ashton.<br /><br />What world do they live in where *cabinet members* are directly elected? Not the UK system; nor the US system; nor any system I know about.<br /><br />The 27 leaders of the EU are elected. All those leaders serve in administrations that can be removed.<br /><br />The principles of Representative Democracy must include the note that, while broad populations may know what they want, most individuals are *not intelligent enough to make rational particular decisions*.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74789921388109550482009-11-20T18:05:29.500+00:002009-11-20T18:05:29.500+00:00Road_Hog said... “Did anyone expect anything diffe...Road_Hog said... <i>“Did anyone expect anything different.”</i><br /><br />Er yes in fact they did. Large numbers of spectacularly ill-informed British hacks and shamefully stupid British bloggers kept ranting on about how Blair was a shoo-in when he quite obviously was a no-hoper,<br /><br />Duh. I told you so.Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89460981017584903022009-11-20T17:58:45.708+00:002009-11-20T17:58:45.708+00:00“And I mean that in a caring way...”
No you don’t...<i>“And I mean that in a caring way...”</i><br /><br />No you don’t. It’s typically gratuitously offensive in the way that is that fashion amongst British Tories when talking about the EU.<br /><br />How you buggers expect to be fit to govern is beyond me.Simon Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17189501697856123305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32679543248540513562009-11-20T17:49:50.742+00:002009-11-20T17:49:50.742+00:00Two useful idiots who only need the strings to be ...Two useful idiots who only need the strings to be attached to make them the ideal puppets.<br /><br />Did Baroness Ashton steer the Lisbon Constitution through the House of Lords perchance?<br /><br />Talk about a nice sinecure as a reward. I wonder what Brown has been promised.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71705870312695997252009-11-20T16:19:35.991+00:002009-11-20T16:19:35.991+00:00@Jimmy 'Let me get this straight. Today's ...@Jimmy 'Let me get this straight. Today's tory talking point is to attack the EU for not appointing Blair. Have I got that right?'<br /><br />No you are wrong as usual. These mediocre duo emerging shows what a ridiculous edifice this EU is, and only Brown can recommend some one like Mrs Kellner!! It also says that the EU power brokers Sarko and Merkel took on-board what Hague and Cameron said ( that will be shocking for Gordo!!) and it is triumph for themAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72134789544345799292009-11-20T15:53:56.597+00:002009-11-20T15:53:56.597+00:00I think golden_balls et al are somewhat missing th...I think golden_balls et al are somewhat missing the point. Neither of them were voted in by anybody. Therefore, by definition, that is NOT democracy. Just what the EU is all about.thespecialonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514789597629728269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39761353306457272142009-11-20T15:28:19.326+00:002009-11-20T15:28:19.326+00:00True Belle
Only stupid people like you Brownites s...True Belle<br />Only stupid people like you Brownites support her. It tell your delusion and power at any cost. Yes, she has the job and you should join her or her husband Kellner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90615667774372954432009-11-20T15:20:58.887+00:002009-11-20T15:20:58.887+00:00Let me get this straight. Today's tory talkin...Let me get this straight. Today's tory talking point is to attack the EU for not appointing Blair. Have I got that right?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47218323623244997472009-11-20T14:22:06.777+00:002009-11-20T14:22:06.777+00:00So blair was too high profile for this job and now...So blair was too high profile for this job and now ashton is being ridiculed because no one knows who she is.<br /><br />Since you have thrown away your "cast iron promise" for a vote on the EU treaty who would you have voted for iain ?<br /><br />The pleasure of being in oppostion and never having a view or policy will soon come to an end.golden_ballshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17002302454171212086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60210678395864593152009-11-20T13:18:08.769+00:002009-11-20T13:18:08.769+00:00@Paul Halsall Once again the Euro-haters show them...@Paul Halsall <i>Once again the Euro-haters show themselves to be the Palinites of British politics.</i><br /><br />I know it's so terrible isn't it to want to fight for democracy and...oh...wait, to want to have a democratic say in who governs us.<br /><br />Don't tell me, that as a full supporter of an institution that is elitist, undemocratic, unaccountable and institutionally corrupt I bet you describe yourself as a 'moderate' or a 'progressive'?<br /><br />Where's George Orwell when you need him?TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.com