tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6217342060491165557..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Careless Talk Costs DefectionsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68540585898582625602007-04-02T09:07:00.000+01:002007-04-02T09:07:00.000+01:00Law graduate actually. As perceptive as you are fu...Law graduate actually. As perceptive as you are funny.Paul Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941688096751778537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11494373454947896122007-04-02T00:58:00.000+01:002007-04-02T00:58:00.000+01:00DINOSAUR SAID-If you say something that silly, ..b...DINOSAUR SAID-If you say something that silly, ..blah blah ...wiff of wounded pride<BR/>But it has been and remains so . (Every pompous plodding word you write screams politics student by the way. The revelation was redundant.)Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6897848255460668732007-03-31T14:11:00.000+01:002007-03-31T14:11:00.000+01:00Didn't the Conservative Part think something was s...Didn't the Conservative Part think something was strange when Oaten was making initial pre negotiations for his glass coffee table to defect to the Tories first?the jokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15740663822712446223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86264271529829977072007-03-31T13:04:00.000+01:002007-03-31T13:04:00.000+01:00Anon: Your frustration with the 'Norfolk blogger'i...Anon: Your frustration with the 'Norfolk blogger'is more than justified.<BR/><BR/>I read his blog for some time and because he seemed to be speaking for the Tories, Labour and Liberals (presumably the Democrats to boot)I felt quite justified to be sea sick.<BR/>An awful feeling of nausea.<BR/><BR/>I was lost and felt very lonely not being able to decipher such a myriad of thought that just couldn't possibly add up in the real world.<BR/><BR/>In politics, you either are, or you are not. Very simple and easy to understand. You don't even have to toe the party line, just be honest.<BR/><BR/>A nice attempt at a blog but leaves people confused.<BR/>I gather he is leaving politics maybe because people just stare back at him with blanc expressions.<BR/>No offence intended.<BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32526298439984554232007-03-31T12:22:00.000+01:002007-03-31T12:22:00.000+01:00Well, Neil Craig, I too would like to see a realig...Well, Neil Craig, I too would like to see a realignment, but based, first, on the conservation or restoration (as the overwhelming majority of Britons wishes) of such good things as national self-government (the only basis for international co-operation, and including the United Kingdom as greater than the sum of its parts), local variation, historical consciousness, family life, the whole Biblical and Classical patrimony of the West (as professed at least by the seventy-two per cent of Britons who described themselves as Christians in the most recent census), agriculture, manufacturing, small business, close-knit communities, law and order, civil liberties, academic standards, all forms of art, mass political participation within a constitutional framework, and respect for the absolute sanctity of each individual human life from the point of fertilisation to the point of natural death.<BR/><BR/>Based, secondly, on the recognition that, far from being conservative, the "free" market capitalism corrodes all of these to nought, both directly and by driving despairing millions into the arms of equally corrosive Jacobinism, Marxism, anarchism or Fascism.<BR/><BR/>Based, thirdly, on the recognition that, just as one cannot logically oppose the decadent social libertinism deriving from the 1960s without also opposing the decadent economic libertinism deriving from the 1980s (or vice versa), and just as one cannot logically oppose the European Union's erosion of our self-government and culture without also opposing that by global capital and by American hegemony (or vice versa), so likewise one cannot logically oppose the unrestricted movement of people without also opposing that of goods, services and capital (or vice versa).<BR/><BR/>Based, fourthly, on the recognition that liberty, equality and fraternity are inseparable from nationhood, family and property, since liberty (the freedom to be virtuous, and to do anything not specifically proscribed) is inseparable from equality (the means to liberty, and never to be confused with mechanical uniformity), thus from fraternity (the means to equality), thus from nationhood (a space in which to be unselfish), thus from family (the nation in miniature, where unselfishness is first learnt), and thus from property (each family's safeguard both against over-mighty commercial interests and against an over-mighty State, and therefore requiring to be as widely diffused as possible), which is the guarantor of liberty as here defined.<BR/><BR/>Based, fifthly, on the recognition th at Marxists, including neoconservatives, are correct that the family, private property and the State have a common origin, with each absolutely necessary in order to maintain the other two; but Marxists, including neoconservatives, are wrong to see this as a bad thing, and therefore to desire the withering away of the State, which they know would be the withering away of the family and of private property, and which they want precisely for that wicked reason.<BR/><BR/>The neoconservatives (including David Cameron and Tony Blair, the former's "liberal-conservatism" being a distinction without a difference) do in fact recognise all of this, but they follow Leo Strauss in hiding their true views from the electorate. We must be determined to expose them, and to defeat them.<BR/><BR/>And therefore based, sixthly, on the strongest possible support for the universal and comprehensive Welfare State (including, for example, farm subsidies), and in the strong statutory and other (including trade union) protection of workers, consumers, communities and the environment, the former delivered by the partnership between a strong Parliament and strong local government, the whole paid for by progressive taxation, and all these good things underwritten by full employment.<BR/><BR/>We must work to ensure that there is a candidate of at least broadly these views in every constituency at the next General Election, already very likely to result in a hung Parliament with all its possibilities for consequent realignment. We must call on the British People to vote for such candidates, and only such, regardless of party (if any).<BR/><BR/>This movement could reach at least half of the 34% that consistently says that it is not going to vote at the next General Election.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, it must do so, in order to save Britain.<BR/><BR/>davidaslindsay@hotmail.comDavid Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67914398955070784532007-03-31T11:18:00.000+01:002007-03-31T11:18:00.000+01:00Newmania, it's a pity that I have to ask you, a ma...Newmania, it's a pity that I have to ask you, a man more than two decades my senior, to grow up, but regrettably, it is necessary. If you say something that silly, you cannot expect it to remain unchallenged.Paul Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941688096751778537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41110224690241351112007-03-30T21:20:00.000+01:002007-03-30T21:20:00.000+01:00oohh..direct hit there, newmania !oohh..direct hit there, newmania !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77658139303293511762007-03-30T20:19:00.000+01:002007-03-30T20:19:00.000+01:00Wonking- to be fair the Libs are unsettled at the ...Wonking- to be fair the Libs are unsettled at the best of times . I think you are right thought . The Liberal Party may be irrelevant now but in fact this irrelevance is permanent. I have never managed to work out what are the core principles behind the whole thing and mostly it seems to be a protest of one sort or another but a protest of numerous different hues. Is it a high tax or low tax Party , who knows , is it a law and order Party who knows, is it for business or against it , take your pick ? Generally it does seem to worry about the security of the country less than both the other Parties but then that is easily done from nowhere Locally it has run racist campaign s, homophobic campaigns , famously , right campaigns and left campaigns .<BR/><BR/>Can you understand how the vast Majority of the country who think the Liberal party is more of a hobby than anything are defeated by this lack of principle good or bad.<BR/>This being the case the Liberals profit from general disenchantment and should be doing well now . The fact they are doing quite so badly reflects a historic realisation aided by technology and communications that a loose geographically split alliance of oddments is not the same thing as a political Party and can have nothing to offer.<BR/><BR/>Anon said- Anon can I correct a slight error there . You have inadvertently included me in your wise words .Otherwise I quite agree.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh except if you would be so kind as to keep your auto-erotically inclined brown-nosed dreary flatulence to yourself in the futue that would be nice .<BR/><BR/>ThanksNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24947865149582108382007-03-30T20:13:00.000+01:002007-03-30T20:13:00.000+01:00newmania / dynamite - can you p!$$ off onto your o...newmania / dynamite - can you p!$$ off onto your own blogs if you just want to have a tiff so the rest of us don't have to be irritated by you couple of prats. Thank you muchly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90076138270920446582007-03-30T19:33:00.000+01:002007-03-30T19:33:00.000+01:00IAIN DALE WAS RIGHT >>> DEFECTION ANNOUNCED >>>Iai...IAIN DALE WAS RIGHT >>> DEFECTION ANNOUNCED >>><BR/><BR/>Iain Dale must be psychic for today a defection was announced. Yes another elected Conservative Councillor defected in Torbay - the second in two weeks. There have been so many defections there from the Tories that some have wondered if this was a Tory masterplan to take over the local party!<BR/>Well done Iain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49306340709610791572007-03-30T19:25:00.000+01:002007-03-30T19:25:00.000+01:00Sometimes the chattering classes really remind me ...Sometimes the chattering classes really remind me of this colourful pair... (anyone good at Photoshop faces?) ;)<BR/><BR/>http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/lesdawsonshow_2.jpgDavid Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240242801763405583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10377506336959735962007-03-30T19:15:00.000+01:002007-03-30T19:15:00.000+01:00With enviable suave urbanity Dynamite softly purre...With enviable suave urbanity Dynamite softly purred …….<BR/>“TORIES BY DEFINITION ARE LIARS AND MURDERERS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN KILLING IN BABIES. BY DEFINITION! “<BR/> Silvery laughter rang around the salon…..”<BR/><BR/>Oh right you are Dynamite goodness knows how I misread that. You won’t believe this , but just for a moment there I thought you were a tragically insecure loon who had confused squawking like a child with responding. How silly <BR/><BR/>All better nowNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53677311663838850452007-03-30T18:30:00.000+01:002007-03-30T18:30:00.000+01:00I would like to see a realignment of British polit...I would like to see a realignment of British politics around classic liberalism - such a movement would probably have more space for Margaret Thatcher, who is on record as saying she is a 19thC liberal rather than a conservative, than Simon Hughes & certainly more than most of the single issue greens who adorn the LDs. However I don't believe that this can be done by an unreconstructed Conservative party committed to an authoritarian electoral system which is clearly always going to disenfrachise most voters.neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53631092078777362982007-03-30T18:01:00.000+01:002007-03-30T18:01:00.000+01:00norfolk blogger - don't come here with half a stor...norfolk blogger - don't come here with half a story. either tell us what you know, or shut the f@*k up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86385519398446353032007-03-30T16:57:00.000+01:002007-03-30T16:57:00.000+01:00Interesting to question and contrast your softly, ...Interesting to question and contrast your softly, softly approach with that of Nick Robinson.<BR/><BR/>You're goal is to openly support the Conservative Party and you even have the integrity to say when you have strayed close to their boundries. <BR/><BR/>Nick Robinson isn't so open about his goals. Whilst his intentions may not be to support the Labour Party his self-confessed softly-softly actions do. <BR/><BR/>Any professional should distinguish between actions and intentions in their stories. Between killing and murder. Nick clearly places himself above these things - which of course to the rest of us means he is below them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79544676798689893842007-03-30T16:53:00.000+01:002007-03-30T16:53:00.000+01:00Not for the first time, I feel bound to ask: what ...Not for the first time, I feel bound to ask: what is it about the Tories that now makes them remotely attrcative to anyone in the Lib Dems (or New Labour)? Think on that.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84689760620347913642007-03-30T16:45:00.000+01:002007-03-30T16:45:00.000+01:00Newmania, no I just thought your comment was profo...Newmania, no I just thought your comment was profoundly moronic. Also, I think you mean "too". Gosh, I can spot that despite being educated under a Tory Government!Paul Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941688096751778537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21095555054039582972007-03-30T15:56:00.000+01:002007-03-30T15:56:00.000+01:00Mr. Dynamite . - Peeved? …..And rumplestiltskin ho...Mr. Dynamite . - Peeved? <BR/><BR/>…..And rumplestiltskin hopped from foot to in such a rage he turned quite puce…..<BR/><BR/>tsk tsk and I was so nice about your little joke to.Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42249958387468912052007-03-30T15:30:00.000+01:002007-03-30T15:30:00.000+01:00The feeling I'm getting from your analysis is that...The feeling I'm getting from your analysis is that the Lib Dems could form a Government with the Tories because of concensus.<BR/><BR/>The Tories could gain the advantage here by sneaking power by the backdoor riding on a National concensus Government of Liberalism.<BR/><BR/>This Could be the saviour of Modern one Nation Conservatism and the end of the hated Thatcherism of late.<BR/><BR/>The big issue here is that it would kill the Liberal Democrats and liberalism would be just a historical term for bookworms as it ceses to exist for future Generations.<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't bet on this outcome.<BR/><BR/>A reintroduction of earnings and pension along with automatic rights to 40 years National Insurance contributions will see Labour win any election based upon tossing the coin choice candidates.<BR/><BR/>you have been warned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73676682880679531092007-03-30T13:03:00.000+01:002007-03-30T13:03:00.000+01:00Sorry if you got a bit baffled there. Perhaps some...Sorry if you got a bit baffled there. Perhaps something closer to your level? <BR/><BR/>TORIES BY DEFINITION ARE LIARS AND MURDERERS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN KILLING IN BABIES. BY DEFINITION!Paul Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03941688096751778537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84513493021902255202007-03-30T12:48:00.000+01:002007-03-30T12:48:00.000+01:00Dynamite I shan`t accept your kind invitation...Dynamite I shan`t accept your kind invitation to a game of ad hominem ping pong. On the contrary delight in the soufflé of wit you bear proudly to the table .JS Mill said …I thought …now I know … another bit ...magnificent.!!Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30211914828287131152007-03-30T12:29:00.000+01:002007-03-30T12:29:00.000+01:00Based on current opinion poll results, Electoral C...Based on current opinion poll results, Electoral Calculus is projecting that the LibDems' representation in the HoC at the next GE will fall by almost 2/3rds, i.e. from the present 64 seats to just 23.<BR/>Although this would seem very unlikely to be the case,such a prospect must be disturbing a number of their MPs and it wouldn't therefore be too surprising to see a couple of defections from their ranks, but I suspect these would be much more likely to occur closer to polling day and the Tories may not necessarily be the beneficiaries.Peter from Putneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133613985279722397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5309687913440626562007-03-30T12:06:00.000+01:002007-03-30T12:06:00.000+01:00Go on, Iain, confess - have you been checking out ...Go on, Iain, confess - have you been checking out your place on digital Telegraph's chart ? You'd have a way to go to knock Bozza off the top spot but this is very good work, so at least you've got him looking over his shoulder - and that's tricky when you're on a bike...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27075743463402497082007-03-30T12:05:00.000+01:002007-03-30T12:05:00.000+01:00One can only wonder whether there is any link betw...One can only wonder whether there is any link between political foreplay technique and..hmm..let's not go there...mind you maybe the ladies involved would prefer to get it over with quickly...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64037976966809720812007-03-30T11:55:00.000+01:002007-03-30T11:55:00.000+01:00"How blogging works" Pt 1'It was then that I recei..."How blogging works" Pt 1<BR/><BR/>'It was then that I received a phone call from someone close to the Cameron set who asked if I could tone it down a little as things were "at a delicate stage".'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com