tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6200437855187583257..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Leaked Email From Harman: No Tories or LibDems InvitedIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89215286088160552552008-12-02T17:45:00.000+00:002008-12-02T17:45:00.000+00:00Dear Tim,It has come to our attention that you hav...Dear Tim,<BR/><BR/>It has come to our attention that you have been making outrageous slurs against our client, Mr. Damien Fagin MP. He wishes us to make it clear that he made it abundantly clear to Mr. Twist at his job interview that were he (hypothetically) to forward documents left lying around unattended in the Home Secretary's private office that this would have absolutely no bearing on his future prospects of employment with the Conservative Party or (again hypothetically) chances of making the candidates' list. Indeed this was stressed to Mr. Dodger on each occasion our client received such documents. In each case Mr. Artful made it clear that he was not motivated by any prospect of reward, but only wished to serve the public interest and demonstrate that his failure to obtain a position with Mr. Fagin had left no hard feelings.<BR/><BR/>We hope this clarifies mattersJimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34678662960985619292008-12-02T16:56:00.000+00:002008-12-02T16:56:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02442025175771845438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53412584402588496022008-12-02T14:46:00.000+00:002008-12-02T14:46:00.000+00:00This satire thing's not as easy as it looks is it?...This satire thing's not as easy as it looks is it?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42612248267097995782008-12-02T14:32:00.000+00:002008-12-02T14:32:00.000+00:00Be careful what you wish for, she's a dangerous wo...Be careful what you wish for, she's a <A HREF="http://curly15.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/smith-plugs-leaks/" REL="nofollow">dangerous woman</A>!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89773528360182158772008-12-02T13:35:00.000+00:002008-12-02T13:35:00.000+00:00JimmyI had previously praised Harriet Harman on th...Jimmy<BR/><BR/>I had previously praised Harriet Harman on this issue. That doesn't mean she is not wrong here!<BR/><BR/>I see you ran out of argument, and resorted to desperate plea and faux outrage, along with some irrelevant background.Doubting Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507892426345836143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43138740681305446662008-12-02T10:21:00.000+00:002008-12-02T10:21:00.000+00:00Perverting the course of public justice is an indi...Perverting the course of public justice is an indictable offence at common law. The offence consists of an act, a series of acts, or conduct which has the tendency and is intended to pervert the course of justice (Halsbury’s Laws of England 4thEd. Reissue, Vol. 11(1), para. 315).Anoneumousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09825132566496729272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77898958533887011652008-12-02T10:13:00.000+00:002008-12-02T10:13:00.000+00:00Good work Iain - this governement are just so untr...Good work Iain - this governement are just so untrustworthy. I don't look at anyone in the Cabinet and think "you're on my team". They are all so dodgy. It's a like a bad episode of Spooks....Bugledoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648859525722010376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50042473035406550682008-12-02T09:39:00.000+00:002008-12-02T09:39:00.000+00:00The implications of a meeting which seems to be ex...The implications of a meeting which seems to be expressly designed (as per Nick Robinson's report on Today: "to check the lie of the land, that they all understood each other's positions") to ensure the parties get their stories aligned with one another are very grave.<BR/><BR/>If Damien Green was later to be prosecuted, events concerning the search may become the subject of evidence on oath. If witnesses have cobbled together their stories in this way, it may amount to perverting the course of public justice: see my post @<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/6dzg3fThe Huntsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341238289938769637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45674022076320618962008-12-02T09:36:00.000+00:002008-12-02T09:36:00.000+00:00@ JimmyIt's clear that you are nothing but an apol...@ Jimmy<BR/><BR/>It's clear that you are nothing but an apologist for this morally bankrupt government. Many here, and I'd suggest throughout the country, recognise that this government is the most oppressive, devious, duplicitous and - worse - incompetent in British post-war history. <BR/><BR/>You protest that this meeting is entirely innocent - and yet by your own admission you do not have a clue as to what is to be discussed. That is crass. It is also an inept attempt to defend the indefensible. <BR/><BR/>Yes, there may be those who agree with your point of view. How many will turn out to vote at the next General Election, do you suppose? I think that both you and they underestimate the sheer rage of the majority of voters. <BR/><BR/>I cannot recall in my lifetime such a level of anger, revulsion and contempt for any government of any hue. Nor can I recall such disgusting amorality and equivocation amongst its supporters.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19081420206609647932008-12-02T09:16:00.000+00:002008-12-02T09:16:00.000+00:00Sorry, on first reading of the email I thought "Th...Sorry, on first reading of the email I thought "The Leader" meant Gordon. <BR/><BR/>And that missing out the "Dear" would mean a mobile phone strike or worse.<BR/><BR/>WV=pomicida. Australian-Italian for the killing of an Englishman?Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02330412326038302877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32652165828106454342008-12-02T09:11:00.000+00:002008-12-02T09:11:00.000+00:00>>You think I'm biased?<<You think...>>You think I'm biased?<<<BR/><BR/>You think you're not ?<BR/><BR/>Take a look at the list of those invited to the meeting. There is no precedent in parliamentary history for the Home Secretary and the Cabinet Secretary to be invited to a meeting of this nature with the Speaker.<BR/><BR/>For the key government players in matter of extreme political controversy which gave rise to questions from all political parties about the behaviour of the Speaker's office to be arranging a private meeting with the Speaker shortly before his statement on the matter is extraordinarily prejudicial to confidence in the Speaker's position.<BR/><BR/>Can you really imagine (say) Betty Boothroyd agreeing to such a thing ?<BR/><BR/>Even dear old Nick Robinson expressed incredulity at the official explanation that it was "to discuss arrangements for the Speaker's statement", and Downing Street has this morning changed its explanation for the meeting.<BR/>Gus O'Donnell is now pleading a prior engagement.<BR/><BR/>I think I can fairly put you down with David Boothroyd as a government lickspittle.Nigelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18171835878570773595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53965947606516569172008-12-02T08:57:00.000+00:002008-12-02T08:57:00.000+00:00Apparently Gus O'Donnell has backed off pleading '...Apparently Gus O'Donnell has backed off pleading 'other commitments' (R4 'Today'). So either (1) another Cabinet Office official will stand in for him (2) the Cabinet Office will not be represented as Macavity seeks to distance himself from the whole business. Take your pick. <BR/><BR/>Well done Iain - brilliant scoop. Just hope the anti-terrorism squad leave you something to post on when they raid you.Raedwaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11699610899843349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41314381535283510002008-12-02T08:36:00.000+00:002008-12-02T08:36:00.000+00:00Well done, Ian.Brilliant leak, considering how few...Well done, Ian.<BR/><BR/>Brilliant leak, considering how few people the email was supposed to be sent to. But then, Harpy does have the Midas-in-reverse touch.<BR/><BR/>The PenguinHacked Offhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08016667577546745576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34792841083162183052008-12-02T07:15:00.000+00:002008-12-02T07:15:00.000+00:00One thing the Tories need to remember is that Labo...One thing the Tories need to remember is that Labour has had the best part of a week to develop its own arguments about Damien's arrest. Thats 5 days for Mandy and Campbell to dream up all sorts of spin to defend what has happened before the parliamentary debate has been fully engaged.<BR/><BR/>Wonder what they will come up with. And are the Tories prepared.not an economisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08679610738502901666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90696222485609469992008-12-02T06:45:00.000+00:002008-12-02T06:45:00.000+00:00Jimmy, there are times when you have to think outs...Jimmy, there are times when you have to think outside the box. You seem incapable of so doing.<BR/>BTW, you're not David Boothroyd in disguise are you?Catosayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885445175868379750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21171170455701545942008-12-02T02:55:00.000+00:002008-12-02T02:55:00.000+00:00Jimmy old mate - are you so attached to the lunati...Jimmy old mate - are you so attached to the lunatics that you cannot (or will not) see the underlying problem?<BR/><BR/>For heaven's sake man, I'm in Australia and it stinks to here!<BR/><BR/>Wake up for heaven't sakeMichelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09117510718604467580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6487100350580254792008-12-02T00:55:00.000+00:002008-12-02T00:55:00.000+00:00I really do think the paranoia and the poison here...I really do think the paranoia and the poison here is unbelievable. I enjoy Iain's posts but some of the people posting here are simply deranged. Harriet Harman, who was dragged through the courts by the Thatcher administration on politically-motivated contempt proceedings whilst being targetted by MI5, and who has been nothing but temperate and conciliatory in her remarks on this affair, is nevertheless accused, on no evidence whatsoever, of cooking up some sinister anti-parliamentary conspiracy. You think I'm biased? I really don't think you do yourselves any favours with this.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84732319982878614592008-12-02T00:18:00.000+00:002008-12-02T00:18:00.000+00:00JimmyI'm not assuming anything. I'm reading the le...Jimmy<BR/><BR/>I'm not assuming anything. I'm reading the letter, and making the obvious inference. You are in fact assuming somthing: that we are stupid and that Labour cannot possibly be the wrong. Both assumptions are incorrect!<BR/><BR/>You are also assuming that the "Gorbals Mick" cracks are snobbery. They are about the vast chip on his shoulder. You know, the fact that he sees any criticism or slight as snobbery, including that one? Lately they are also about his incompetence in his role and airs he has taken on. You know about irony I assume?<BR/><BR/>I did not specify which parliament Martin was elected to as a Labour candidate. He has of course always acted for Labour, and his constituents know they can rely on him to, so I don't see why we should distinguish.<BR/><BR/>That is what I was talking about, you twist other people's words. It just makes you look stupid or dishonest, as if you are incapable of reading, or as if you think you are will seem right if you lie about what other people say to make them look wrong.Doubting Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507892426345836143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25976499451673006372008-12-01T23:34:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:34:00.000+00:00"Labour broke with convention in forcing another L..."Labour broke with convention in forcing another Labour MP into the post ( before Jimmy starts up - Blair pretended he wanted someone else, but let it happen anyway )"<BR/><BR/>I believe the convention you'll find is that the Speaker comes from the government Party, Boothroyd being the sole modern exception.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27991103936834326332008-12-01T23:31:00.001+00:002008-12-01T23:31:00.001+00:00Richard,I'm sorry if I'm not clear. I don't assum...Richard,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry if I'm not clear. I don't assume as you clearly do that it's a political strategy meeting but I agree with you that if it is the speaker's rep should not be there. I don't think that's partisan. I'm still struggling with the earthshattering significance of this e-mail, but looking at the main news sites I'm obviously not the only one.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the Speaker is oversensitive in regarding the "Gorbals Mick" cracks as motivated by snobbery. Perhaps its just robust tory humour, like Nick Soames ribtickling teasing of John Prescott. I'm not convinced.<BR/><BR/>And no, he was not elected to this parliament, or the previous one, as a Labour MP.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13911686962773789362008-12-01T23:31:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:31:00.000+00:00is Campbell or Mandy invited?is Campbell or Mandy invited?Glynnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07218848298750398291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61176846454268087942008-12-01T23:29:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:29:00.000+00:00The underlying issue is the office of the Speaker....The underlying issue is the office of the Speaker.<BR/><BR/>Labour broke with convention in forcing another Labour MP into the post ( before Jimmy starts up - Blair pretended he wanted someone else, but let it happen anyway ).<BR/><BR/>In the future the Speaker's chair should always be occupied by a member drawn from the opposition benches. ( Lib Dem next time perhaps since Labour have had a run on Speaker's recently ).Man in a Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990902055642035293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36695188636261368702008-12-01T23:14:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:14:00.000+00:00That is a VERY high powered bunch of individuals i...That is a VERY high powered bunch of individuals if the purpose of the meeting really was:<BR/><BR/>"to discuss the parliamentary business and handling of issues that arise from the fact that the speaker's statement and the Queen's Speech will be happening on the same day"Trend Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04817609330878848716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12318694465270549682008-12-01T23:11:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:11:00.000+00:00JimmyA small hint about what your posts look like....Jimmy<BR/><BR/>A small hint about what your posts look like.<BR/><BR/>Unless we are to take it that you are completely clueless, then you look like you are defending Labour because they are Labour, not because they are right. You don't even appear to think they are right. You appear to be trying to twist other people's words, those in this email, even your own. You are twisting the meaning of events beyond the most generous interpretations probable.<BR/><BR/>That is how your posts look, throughout the Damina Green affair.Doubting Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16507892426345836143noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49636822189081700542008-12-01T23:07:00.000+00:002008-12-01T23:07:00.000+00:00"nothing to do with the contents" Sorry Harriet th..."nothing to do with the contents"<BR/><BR/> Sorry Harriet the contents of the Email attachment give the game away. You're not even very good at lying, you are nothing.<BR/> By the way, the complete ninny who sent the email to Phil Hammond can't spot typos either, 'opertion'? I do hope they're sacked, or arrested or something. <BR/> The Stasi wouldn't have allowed such low grade ninnyism. If we have to live in a socialist totalitarian state at least we could have a vaguely competent one.<BR/><BR/> On a separate point:<BR/><BR/> BLINKY WAS WARNED ABOUT HARINGEY BUT PASSED THE BUCK. I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN.<BR/><BR/> Word Verification: Can Ian ?<BR/><BR/> I think he can, well he'll certainly try anyway.Conandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028671462205997161noreply@blogger.com