tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6091060936537982321..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Telegraph Column: Why Should Only the Scots Have a Vote?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85801535995437081072007-08-20T01:34:00.000+01:002007-08-20T01:34:00.000+01:00Yes, Grateposter, I certainly AM intolerant of tho...Yes, Grateposter, I certainly AM intolerant of those who wish to alter the contours of my country without my consent. Aren't you? If not, why not?<BR/><BR/>And for whom is the Unionist majority in Scotland supposed to vote, now that, with Labour's climb-down on devolution as a "process" (with only one possible conclusion), Scotland has four separatist parties out of four?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3208112100004835212007-08-18T22:20:00.000+01:002007-08-18T22:20:00.000+01:00As an English nationalist I'm not interested in vo...As an English nationalist I'm not interested in voting on Scotland's independence anymore than I am interested in voting in France's internal affairs. I would however like a vote on England's independence. 60% of the people of England want out of the Union with Scotland, but that wouldn't suit Westminster politicians so they ignore the issue.Home Rule for Englandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11415935742164517207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54312869131142296462007-08-18T10:13:00.000+01:002007-08-18T10:13:00.000+01:00Dear Roger Isn't dublin just mad on being ruled fr...Dear Roger <BR/><BR/>Isn't dublin just mad on being ruled from London again with their higher GDP per capita :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10238096673385026572007-08-17T22:46:00.000+01:002007-08-17T22:46:00.000+01:00Anon, 3:10pm: Such fear, as expressed by roger tho...Anon, 3:10pm: <I>Such fear, as expressed by roger thornhill, makes me wonder just what he really believes in!</I><BR/><BR/>What a perverse inversion. No fear, anon, none at all. No surprise you do not know what I believe!<BR/><BR/>If Scotland wants to detach, then so it shall (regrettably, like a departing cousin), but let it take the EU with it and leave England in peace and Independence.<BR/><BR/>If you want to know what I believe (if you are unable to work that out), then it is that the Treaty is an act of secession FROM the UK and TO the EU. Further, I believe the best way to keep someone in a room is to leave the door open. If Scotland wants to leave, then so be it, but I for one would not slam the door shut after it, but hope that it fares well, but if it does not and realises, to have it back.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81924409560577955042007-08-17T21:51:00.000+01:002007-08-17T21:51:00.000+01:00tapestry: that's a pretty feeble, and innacurate, ...tapestry: that's a pretty feeble, and innacurate, riposte you made to an excellent post by grim truth. Sounds like you're worried by something. Over exposed to the equity markets perhaps, or have you just bought yourself a new house?<BR/><BR/>Never mind, it's only money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26973653610429818092007-08-17T20:16:00.000+01:002007-08-17T20:16:00.000+01:00The United Kingdom is my country, and no one has t...The United Kingdom is my country, and no one has the right to take it away from me<BR/>david Lindsay <BR/>..the seed of intolerance ???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51611340339477412072007-08-17T19:32:00.000+01:002007-08-17T19:32:00.000+01:00to contine :-) oops Simplyif you live in Scotland...to contine :-) oops <BR/><BR/>Simply<BR/>if you live in Scotland and/or are registered in a Scottish constituency you can vote <BR/>if not you can't <BR/>-- nationality/nationalities ethnicity does not matter - <BR/>it is an open and shut caseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71020319351084101142007-08-17T19:23:00.000+01:002007-08-17T19:23:00.000+01:00huntsman to save bothering the first minster who i...huntsman <BR/>to save bothering the first minster who is busy improving Scotland :-)-- but other the chaps in Downing strret before they start another illegal war of aggression if you like :-)<BR/><BR/>Simply<BR/>if you live in Scotland and/or are registered in a ScottishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46943420935599569432007-08-17T19:16:00.000+01:002007-08-17T19:16:00.000+01:00English democrat but large swathes of England part...English democrat <BR/>but large swathes of England particularly the border regions may wish to be governed from Scotland who knows <BR/>but they cannot <BR/>what makes a person english scotttish or indeed pakistani does not matter ..those who live in Scotland and currently eligible to vote in Scot parliament can vote for Scottish independence..<BR/>For the Englsih clearly f they wish a referendum to end the union that is there perogative and nothing to do with the Scots <BR/>a union is between parners if as in the UK union (unlike the Euro Union) it'll come to an end surely when at least one part desires it <BR/><BR/>when canada ireland australia india left the empire did the othewr partners have a say course not <BR/>as Parnell said no one can put boundaries on the advance of a nation ..or some such :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44862994692740666672007-08-17T19:03:00.000+01:002007-08-17T19:03:00.000+01:00Am I missing somthing here? The Union is just that...Am I missing somthing here? The Union is just that, a union! Scotland is not a subject state or a colony however much the SNP would like us to think it is! Both Scotland AND england came together to create a partnership. Now if one party wants to end a partnership dont both parties have a say?<BR/>I fully support a free and independent Scotland just as Isupport a free and independent England BUT Great Britain is made up of more than two nations isnt it? <BR/>This thing about only the Scots are allowed a vote makes me uneasy!<BR/>Think of the border regions and the Islands? What if they wish to join with England or vice versa? Would Alex Salmond Force unwilling English borderers to be Scots? That would be a recipe for an IRA type struggle!<BR/>NO there are some very tricky issues to be looked at and it wont help if the vote is only for one side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48830094605917963452007-08-17T18:26:00.000+01:002007-08-17T18:26:00.000+01:00But what is an Englishman and what is a Scotsman?I...But what is an Englishman and what is a Scotsman?<BR/><BR/><BR/>I have just written a letter to the First Minister on the issue of Nationality (and the absence of any mention of it in the White Paper)and how the issue is one of importance, not just concerning the fleeting moment of a referendum and the right to vote thereon but as a long-term issue affecting the status and rights of millions of people with Scots origins and (in my case) connections.<BR/><BR/>In it I challenge him to say if we can have a vote in his referendum or not. <BR/><BR/>See http://tinyurl.com/25sfgk for the letter in fullThe Huntsmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341238289938769637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21881198559297794992007-08-17T18:10:00.000+01:002007-08-17T18:10:00.000+01:00Judith and to continue the attempt was made by the...Judith <BR/>and to continue the attempt was made by the English parliament to end the house of Stuart by beheading Charles I (who was also scottish head of state)...luckily after Cromwell Charles II returned through English civil was and covanteer war. a<BR/><BR/>nyway that was distraction <BR/><BR/>of course the King of Scots wanted to take over England as well, as the wealth of Kings unlike nations is based on the size of the unit he controls. <BR/><BR/>today we live in more democratic times and as the Rep of Ireland and Norway shows there are more efficient units to organise ourselves into <BR/>all the best <BR/>FBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69034005372828015302007-08-17T18:00:00.000+01:002007-08-17T18:00:00.000+01:00well Chris Abbott many apologies for rough edges i...well Chris Abbott many apologies for rough edges in my last addition <BR/><BR/>Torytobermory<BR/>I understand where you are coming from but there are nuances on the 2 points <BR/>First you can be British and Scottish .. Britain is only one island and thus as the norwegians are scandinavian you can be scottish and british.<BR/>on expats voting they will so long as they are registered at scottish constituencies it is quite simple.<BR/><BR/>Britain will always continue ...it is nothing internationally at the moment only the largest geographical entity of the UK. In future it may host best part of 2 or three nation states??? <BR/><BR/>British is of course shorthand for UK subjects as American is for US citizens although arguable Argentinians Candians Mexicans are also Americans??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29846894692472567102007-08-17T17:50:00.000+01:002007-08-17T17:50:00.000+01:00grim truth.The Japan bubbe saw property prices ris...grim truth.<BR/><BR/>The Japan bubbe saw property prices rise in price sevenfold before it broke. Property in the west has doubled near enough so is not in the same league. asset prices have gone ahead of themselves and need a correction. so what. food on the table? good.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40485301215320806482007-08-17T17:42:00.000+01:002007-08-17T17:42:00.000+01:00Um, the English monarchy did not die out with the ...Um, the English monarchy did not die out with the demise of Elizabeth l, just the House of Tudor in the direct line came to a halt. The Scots King James was related to Elizabeth both through his mother and his father, so was chosen as the most suitable heir to the English throne, an opportunity which James not unnaturally grabbed with both hands and not a backward glance. That it would also bring peace between England and Scotland was a laudable, and successful, objective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84761134763777167242007-08-17T17:37:00.000+01:002007-08-17T17:37:00.000+01:00Good article in DT Iain. I've always thought that ...Good article in DT Iain. I've always thought that the second chamber- currently the Lords- should be a federal UK chamber. The Commons would revert to being the English Parliament.<BR/><BR/>Our UK PM would then sit in the Upper House.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60835779341100081532007-08-17T17:16:00.000+01:002007-08-17T17:16:00.000+01:00The United Kingdom is my country, and no one has t...The United Kingdom is my country, and no one has the right to take it away from me. Simply in point of fact, it contains no state except itself. How dare anyone try and hive of a third of its area and a sixth of its population without my consent!David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3895016693797609402007-08-17T16:51:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:51:00.000+01:00This Union is toast, get over it.This Union is toast, get over it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87936358221512636792007-08-17T16:49:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:49:00.000+01:00This isn't rocket science. If England (and Wales) ...This isn't rocket science. If England (and Wales) wish to vote for an end to the Act of Union, then you can do that any time. You don't need Scotland's permission. Get off yer butts and do something about it.Tartan Herohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02349865980640474307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81434016318620445192007-08-17T16:42:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:42:00.000+01:00"friendly Braveheart"Are you referring to your own..."friendly Braveheart"<BR/><BR/>Are you referring to your own "sassenachs" in Lowland Scotland as well as those in England? Leave out ethnicities, dear. It's inaccurate and outdated.<BR/><BR/>Gentle fun? You can across as being hidebound and faintly racist (racism CAN be on grounds of nationality, according to the CRE), with more than a whiff of anti-English bigotry.<BR/><BR/>English and Scottish are nationalities not pure ethnicities.<BR/><BR/>For instance, my mother is Scots, but I am English. <BR/><BR/>Grow up. Move on. You might even enjoy the experience.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05136739620289407113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22462913197527120252007-08-17T16:38:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:38:00.000+01:00England shares a Queen with friendly braveheart on...England shares a Queen with friendly braveheart on equal terms. That is by popular demand on both sides of the border. The Monarchy is a truly unifying force. <BR/><BR/>No wonder the BBC want to get rid of it, so that Beeboids can divide and rule Scotland and England unchallenged at last on behalf of their EUSR masters. <BR/><BR/>There must be referendums or referenda (what case is it Boy?) on the Scottish and the English and the British questions - the Union, English Parliament and the EUSR Constitution.<BR/><BR/>The time for refrenda has come. Someone tell Goldie. The Beeboids must not win.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9329769891512712032007-08-17T16:26:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:26:00.000+01:00friendly braveheart...This is not just about Scott...friendly braveheart...<BR/><BR/>This is not just about Scottish independence, but about the British union as a whole.<BR/><BR/>A lot of Scots consider themselves to be British as well as Scottish. Many of the live in England, are married to English born citizens but may want to come back to live in Scotland and still have strong family connections. Are you saying our views on our identity should be disregarded? Seems unfair.<BR/><BR/>UK expats in Spain can vote in British elections. French citizens living in the UK voted in the recent French elections...<BR/><BR/>If Scotland did go for independence where does it place people like me? I don't want to chose between being Scottish or English. I want to stay as I was born i.e. British.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24148532159484460122007-08-17T16:25:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:25:00.000+01:00Dear Grim truth,I try to simplify where I can beca...Dear Grim truth,<BR/><BR/>I try to simplify where I can because it helps to digest geat posts like yours, so here is my simple take on it.<BR/><BR/>Boom and busts when they happen on a regular cycle is like a safety valve on a steam engine, as the pressure gets to a certain level the valve will ease the pressure to a safe level. Now if the valve is stuck then the pressure will increase untill the boiler explodes! So what Gordon Brown has done is sabotage the valve to get more pressure in the short term to power his engine and to hell with the consequences! Am I right so far? So the upshot is that far from being a bad thing in itself a mini boom bust cycle is a healthy and regulating economic thing. More like you would prune a rose bush to ensure its health?<BR/>Please forgive me for simplifying your complex post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25424881819075070192007-08-17T16:13:00.000+01:002007-08-17T16:13:00.000+01:00The Scottish Tories were pretty stupid to allow th...The Scottish Tories were pretty stupid to allow themselves to be roped in by Labour . <BR/><BR/> I don't really care much anymore what happens north of the border . <BR/>What happnes in England is paramount a<BR/> and we need what they have <BR/><BR/> ie English self rule <BR/><BR/> and fiscal independence .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24035409058277580312007-08-17T15:44:00.000+01:002007-08-17T15:44:00.000+01:00Judith you make a fascinating but perhaps wrong as...Judith you make a fascinating but perhaps wrong assertion <BR/>The Queen is not first and foremost Queen of England. <BR/>{It is probably academic as SNP are only talking of the 1707 parlaimentary Union rather than the 1603 crown union - the diff in which every good Brit knows nothing about:-)}<BR/><BR/>In 1602 the English monarchy died out with Elizabeth I of England- which is why current Queen is actually Elizabeth I too (of the union) - <BR/>Anyway the English Crown then passed to the Scots Monarch James VI who became, James I of the Union <BR/>Thus there is a legal argument that says any treaties etc the UK has signed up to through the crown (which is all of them)that Scotland is the lead in this if ever there is a and end to the 1603 union which there prob won't be <BR/>but things may also be affected the 1707 union ending which will happen certainly within the next decade .<BR/><BR/>That is why the SNP have graciously decided to keep the 1603 union as we do not want England again to scour their neighbours for a monarch as happened 400 years ago -- you might have to get a guy stavros or philip from greece :-)<BR/>- now that is only gentle fun with you sassenachs so do NOT get upset <BR/><BR/>all the best<BR/>friendly braveheartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com