tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post606593997541339996..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: John Reid Threatens Our Civil LibertiesIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-196493882773863382007-05-30T13:21:00.000+01:002007-05-30T13:21:00.000+01:00"It's only neo-libel hand wringers who care about ..."It's only neo-libel hand wringers who care about the civil liberties of those who want to deprive us of civil society."<BR/><BR/>Of course, how could I be so stupid! We should /just/ remove civil liberties from Terrorists!<BR/><BR/>You dappy cow. Civil liberties apply to everyone or they apply to no-one. You may be prepared to give them up for some extra feeling of security but I am not and I don't know anyone else who is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54626124231032278802007-05-29T16:35:00.000+01:002007-05-29T16:35:00.000+01:00Don't worry, in order to exercise these powers, th...Don't worry, in order to exercise these powers, the Police would have to step outside and patrol the streets.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16363968189235984162007-05-28T19:08:00.000+01:002007-05-28T19:08:00.000+01:00Rachel is Melanie Phillips and I claim my UKP 10!Rachel is Melanie Phillips and I claim my UKP 10!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34795872043007284262007-05-28T15:16:00.000+01:002007-05-28T15:16:00.000+01:00Hardly a great surprise from the man who considers...Hardly a great surprise from the man who considers the state of Human Rights to be "unacceptable" when terrorism is an issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6648849.stm<BR/><BR/>There are two ways to change Human Rights to cope with terrorism: you either legislate against what the terrorists are doing which is not only fairly ineffective but completely irrelevant to rights, or you remove the ones getting in the way of your draconian measures. I'm guessing Reid won't be doing the first of those...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20387551105547870642007-05-28T12:22:00.000+01:002007-05-28T12:22:00.000+01:00This government has to be removed as soon as possi...This government has to be removed as soon as possible. People are sick to death of the centralising, big-brother, dishonest and spiteful group of people.<BR/><BR/>Cameron needs to oppose EVERY measure like this to build the momentum ahead of the next election. The public are opposed to EVERY policy these clowns are introducing and they will remember this come the GE.<BR/><BR/>We have NO government at this time, no accountability and no prospect of any sensible government for the next 3 years and a barrage of unpopular policy ideas. Cameron should hammer home the complete disregard and arrogance shown by NuLabour of late. The fact they can insult the country by allowing that idiot bliar 2 months of indulgence and hold their pathetic and irrelevant elections in the public arena will do them great harm come election time.<BR/><BR/>Cameron has succeeded in making the Tory Party electable, he now needs to confirn what we all know that NuLabour are now unelectable regardless of Browns attempts at change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68308060001711964322007-05-28T10:57:00.000+01:002007-05-28T10:57:00.000+01:00What a low opinion you have of the intelligence an...<I><BR/><BR/>What a low opinion you have of the intelligence and ethics of the people of UK, rachel. <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Cameron has already suggested that he'd scrap the ECHR.<BR/><BR/>Just because people don't agree with your point of view it doesn't make them stupid or amoral.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45997924133302860792007-05-28T05:37:00.000+01:002007-05-28T05:37:00.000+01:00The unspoken part of this is that it was Labour's ...The unspoken part of this is that it was Labour's Europe-induced Human Rights Act, pushed all the way by Cherie Blair, which hamstrung the Police in the first place.<BR/><BR/>With Blair going, maybe we can get back to where we were before the Blairs ruined Britain.<BR/><BR/>TapestryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38656206653953783852007-05-28T01:03:00.000+01:002007-05-28T01:03:00.000+01:00On another topic, jeremy said... Left my wallet co...On another topic, jeremy said... <BR/>Left my wallet containing £1,000 and my passport on the Heathrow Express (on the way to Heathrow).<BR/><BR/>Under this proposal, if we are caught carrying more than £1000, this can be confiscated unless we can prove where we got it and what we are going to do with it, according to Devil's Kitchen. The assumption is that a large sum in cash would be for criminal purposes.<BR/><BR/>Looks as though a lot of people are going to miss their flights while they're interrogated and go on holiday skint...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17654506505478677402007-05-28T00:06:00.000+01:002007-05-28T00:06:00.000+01:00Rachel said:If you put scrapping the ECHR and impo...Rachel said:<BR/><BR/>If you put scrapping the ECHR and imposition of house arrest on terrorist suspects to a referendum it'd win hands down. it's only neo-libel [neo-liberal?] hand wringers who care about the civil liberties of those who want to deprive us of civil society.<BR/><BR/>What a low opinion you have of the intelligence and ethics of the people of UK, rachel. <BR/><BR/>I disagree with you, I think you are seriously out of step with the mood of the majority of us. I do not believe that the majority of people of this country are stupid or unethical, indeed quite the reverse. <BR/><BR/>Today in my local pub the unanimous concensus was that our fathers and grandfathers did not fight Hitler for our freedom during WW2 in order for a British government to later erode that freedom and treat us as Hitler would have done. <BR/><BR/>Take a look at BBC's Have Your Say, the majority of responses agree with those of the people in m local - and make nonsense of your view above.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6958619393223728312007-05-27T23:16:00.000+01:002007-05-27T23:16:00.000+01:00Trumpeter Lanfried said... Let's suppose, for the ...Trumpeter Lanfried said... <BR/><BR/>Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that the police carried out a rigorous stop and question exercise targeting taciturn young Muslims in the vicinity of the Finsbury Park Mosque.<BR/><BR/><BR/>There'd be a riot.<BR/><BR/>So, instead, they'll stop and interrogate non-Muslims in order to meet their detection, arrest and fine targets and to create nulab's desired climate of fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57130381848032740582007-05-27T23:08:00.000+01:002007-05-27T23:08:00.000+01:00Actually something like this happened to me. There...<I>Actually something like this happened to me. There I was driving along, and the cops pulled me over to do a road traffic survey. Now, I'm a reasonable man, I understand the point of such surveys, and if he'd just asked me where I was going and whence I came I would have told him and that would have been the end of the matter. But no, the first question was... "Is this your car?" So I told him. None of his effing business was my reply. And I am happy to say he walked away with his head bowed. I drove off. <BR/><BR/>We don't have to co-operate with these jerks. </I><BR/><BR/>Alas, this would have been a mundane survey. Traffic engineers need information for road building, traffic signal configuration etc. Much of this is through consultants who do computer modelling of traffic movements. However this does not take into account human behaviour and route selection. Traffic engineers can't stop traffic themselves to carry out such surveys, and need the cops to do it. Hence the encounter you mention. It wasn't sinister, they haven't got at me honest!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63629774095666034082007-05-27T22:55:00.000+01:002007-05-27T22:55:00.000+01:00We should ban lawyers from standing as MPs.Roger, ...<I>We should ban lawyers from standing as MPs.</I><BR/><BR/>Roger, I've thought that for years. Not only do they have a clear conflict of interest, but t's also obvious that people cocooned in the legal business (I nearly wrote profession) live lives quite divorced from reality. Bliar has quite obviously never done a hands turn in his whole bloomin life. <BR/><BR/>Disqualify them!Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51339877797979961252007-05-27T22:38:00.000+01:002007-05-27T22:38:00.000+01:00Officer: Excuse me Sir / Madam, where have you jus...<I>Officer: Excuse me Sir / Madam, where have you just been?<BR/>Citizen: Why do you want to know?<BR/>Officer: You're nicked,</I><BR/><BR/>Actually something like this happened to me. There I was driving along, and the cops pulled me over to do a road traffic survey. Now, I'm a reasonable man, I understand the point of such surveys, and if he'd just asked me where I was going and whence I came I would have told him and that would have been the end of the matter. But no, the first question was... "Is this your car?" So I told him. None of his effing business was my reply. And I am happy to say he walked away with his head bowed. I drove off. <BR/><BR/>We don't have to co-operate with these jerks.Rush-is-Righthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860467341217977185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87097219544229498142007-05-27T22:35:00.000+01:002007-05-27T22:35:00.000+01:00We should ban lawyers from standing as MPs.Those i...We should ban lawyers from standing as MPs.<BR/><BR/>Those in the "union" have a conflict of interest in creating clear, simple and efficient law.<BR/><BR/>Charles II did it. Why not Liz II or Charles III?Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01153744692290896812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62887768714919967122007-05-27T22:10:00.000+01:002007-05-27T22:10:00.000+01:00Quite apart from the civil liberties argument, how...Quite apart from the civil liberties argument, how would these proposals help to counter the Islamist threat (which is real enough)?<BR/><BR/>Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that the police carried out a rigorous stop and question exercise targeting taciturn young Muslims in the vicinity of the Finsbury Park Mosque.<BR/><BR/>How much intelligence would they gain and how much flack would they have to take from the BBC, the Guardian and Matrix Chambers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64575735928466520042007-05-27T21:45:00.000+01:002007-05-27T21:45:00.000+01:00What on earth does Israel have to do with it? It ...What on earth does Israel have to do with it? It figures that some pro-Palestenian liberal would say that.<BR/><BR/>As for Brian Haw, the sooner he is thrown off that pitch the better - he is not a legitimate protester - he is a sponger. How does he support himself I wonder? Our taxes, no doubt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2061024343069928452007-05-27T21:32:00.000+01:002007-05-27T21:32:00.000+01:00hatfield girl said....What proposals where?The pro...hatfield girl said....<BR/><BR/><BR/>What proposals where?<BR/><BR/><BR/>The proposal mooted in this blog post that the Police will be allowed to stop and question you even if they don't believe a crime has been committed or you are in the process of committing one.<BR/><BR/>Many here appear to be saying that is a power too far for the Police.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43114595301048177842007-05-27T21:30:00.000+01:002007-05-27T21:30:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70726509869897372142007-05-27T21:00:00.000+01:002007-05-27T21:00:00.000+01:00The countervailing argument to these proposals her...The countervailing argument to these proposals here appears to be.. .<BR/><BR/>What proposals where? what countervailing argument to what? What are you talking about? Or are you just mouthing pseudo arguments and making no sense?<BR/><BR/>Speak as you eat.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73384638270062669722007-05-27T20:49:00.000+01:002007-05-27T20:49:00.000+01:00Anonymous said..."if the Police want to stop and s...<I> Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/>"if the Police want to stop and search you why would you refuse?"<BR/><BR/>This is the variation of "if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.". </I><BR/><BR/>Not at all. <BR/><BR/>The countervailing argument to these proposals here appears to be that we want crime reduced, criminals caught, convicted and locked up. However, if the Police have the temerity to stop and question us trying to achieve these goals it's a step too far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42081133924596483372007-05-27T20:46:00.000+01:002007-05-27T20:46:00.000+01:00Blair's latest outburst, with Reid full in tow, sh...Blair's latest outburst, with Reid full in tow, shows that he is basically Vioet Elizabeth Bott, thkweemin and thkweamin till WE are sick. The measures which he proposes bringing in will be no more effective against terrorism than breaking the speedomenter will slow down a car. The man is impotent in the face of a threat which is more than a little of his own making but considerably pre-dates Iraq in its gestation. The dishonest and two-faced support for the successive Israeli regimes had a lot to do with it, giving a collective view throughout the Muslim world that the US-UK axis believes that Muslim lives are expendible dross when there are pet political issues at stake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28359687385102581672007-05-27T20:34:00.000+01:002007-05-27T20:34:00.000+01:00"There was no-one called Rachel in Steps"But the P..."There was no-one called Rachel in Steps"<BR/><BR/>But the Police know different, don't they?<BR/><BR/>You really are a very very naive person, and probably male.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37641259617402626242007-05-27T20:24:00.000+01:002007-05-27T20:24:00.000+01:00anonymous whined:We 'know' Rachel??? Like I KNOW y...<I><BR/>anonymous whined:<BR/>We 'know' Rachel??? Like I KNOW you are really that bird from Steps?</I><BR/><BR/>There was no-one called Rachel in Steps.<BR/>The first few lines of your post pretty much set the nonsensical tone of the rest of it. No wonder you don't put your name on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53511259439882798592007-05-27T20:13:00.000+01:002007-05-27T20:13:00.000+01:00We 'know' Rachel??? Like I KNOW you are really th...We 'know' Rachel??? Like I KNOW you are really that bird from Steps? Like the police KNEW that those guys whose house they pulled to bits in London were terrorists? Like they KNEW that Brazilian lad was a terrorist when they shot him on the tube? <BR/><BR/>Well, I KNOW that the hopeless incompetent narcissist Tony Blair is responsible for lying to the British public (and himself along the way) and backing George Bush's illegal regime-change operation causing the death of tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis and he went in with no plans for the post-war period, leading to civil war and the loss of many good British soldiers' lives. I KNOW that given the psychology of a small number of young Muslim lads in the West (and many more around the globe), Tony Blair has been the most active and effective recruiting sergeant for AlQaeda thare could be if it wasn't for Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Perle pipping him at the post. That is why he has been thrown out, every bit as unceremoniously as Margaret Thatcher ever was, but somehow he is trying to warp history right to the bitter end and some media fools are going along with him.<BR/>Blair didn't want to go now - he's only going because the Labour Party are deeply, deeply ashamed of him - a shame that dare not speak its name because 90 per cent of them are guilty for going along with him (as ar a clear majority of Tories and a handful of Lib Dems)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5395809553601448802007-05-27T19:54:00.000+01:002007-05-27T19:54:00.000+01:00anaoymous said:"You appear, Rachel, to have some s...<I>anaoymous said:<BR/>"You appear, Rachel, to have some sort of naive belief that all the Police are good guys." <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I spent @15 years in South America (1982-1997) witnessing many armed wings for the State machine killing their own people so I really don't need to be preached to how terrible the UK Police are. Compared to 95% of the World they're cuddly softies. <BR/><BR/>The fact is we are in the situation where people are leaving this country in an apparent attempt go to foreign lands and kill British soldiers. We also have others in this country who even though we know they've been linked to terrorist groups in other countries we can't deport because of their 'human rights'<BR/><BR/>If you put scrapping the ECHR and imposition of house arrest on terrorist suspects to a referendum it'd win hands down. It's only neo-libel hand wringers who care about the civil liberties of those who want to deprive us of civil society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com