tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post6060983261728119682..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Thank God for Kelvin MacKenzieIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79091697542926083102009-04-18T17:10:00.000+01:002009-04-18T17:10:00.000+01:00Iam very anti-Labour, but do not say "Thank God fo...Iam very anti-Labour, but do not say "Thank God for MacKenzie," because he represents the lowest gutteral form of journalism. As editor of The Sun, he produced some of the most xenophobic, prejudiced, jingoistic trash around, most of it false along with numerous smear campaigns. Why don't you research the proven lies he wrote about Liverpool fans in the aftermath of the Hillsborough tragedy.<br /><br />It doesn't matter whether you're left wing or right wing, he's a disgrace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11677224931384543822008-06-14T03:25:00.000+01:002008-06-14T03:25:00.000+01:00This presumably is a joke des ? June 13 1:16 PM"St...This presumably is a joke <A>des</A> ? June 13 1:16 PM<BR/><I>"Stalin showed the left can be tough on national security. Look in WW2. Where Stalin kicked Hitlers butt back to his bunker.</I>"<BR/>And Stalin caused the death of more of his fellow citizens than Hitler did, all in the name of security for the Revolution he hi-jacked.<BR/>But hey, let's not pick on the left.<BR/><BR/>As <B>Damon from birmingham</B> points out June 13 6:08 PM<BR/>"<I> Lest we forget Hitler blamed the Reichstag fire on Communist Terrorists and used that as his excuse to suspend Habeas corpus.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Extremes of left and right both attempted to drag us toward the monolithic superstate now envisaged by the EU of which 42 days is but one element.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if Mr. Davis' gambit is wise but good luck to him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27995685689750201242008-06-13T21:33:00.000+01:002008-06-13T21:33:00.000+01:00While it seems preposterous now, imagine if Macken...While it seems preposterous now, imagine if Mackenzie won? Imagine him fielding more candidates at a general election with the full backing of the Sun behind him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10927963006707539542008-06-13T18:08:00.000+01:002008-06-13T18:08:00.000+01:00I am surprised more has not been made in the media...I am surprised more has not been made in the media of the similarities between the 42 day arguement and Hitler's rise to power. Lest we forget Hitler blamed the Reichstag fire on Communist Terrorists and used that as his excuse to suspend Habeas corpus. <BR/>Britain is on a very slippery slope at the moment and I hope David Davis's campaign can go someway to turn things around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37031190400011259002008-06-13T13:51:00.000+01:002008-06-13T13:51:00.000+01:00Is it worth starting a Downing Street petition urg...Is it worth starting a Downing Street petition urgin Gordon Brown and the Labour Party to front a candidate or face charges of cowardice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12846297976326539882008-06-13T13:46:00.000+01:002008-06-13T13:46:00.000+01:00Presumably Kelvin MacKenzie will be standing on a ...Presumably Kelvin MacKenzie will be standing on a 'Morons for Injustice' ticket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57643616099214126402008-06-13T13:16:00.000+01:002008-06-13T13:16:00.000+01:00I am do not support mckenzie's bigotted views on S...I am do not support mckenzie's bigotted views on Scotland. But I think he may have a chance against the tory. The sun can be pretty terrifying at whipping up public anger in a mania even on issues that are pretty trivial. It could be a messy campaign. I support 42 day detention. I respect the tory mp though for standing up his principle.<BR/><BR/>Stalin showed the left can be tough on national security. Look in WW2. Where Stalin kicked Hitlers butt back to his bunker.<BR/>The BNP, sinnful fein, the UKIP and the tories are now all supporting the 42 day detention policy. Which shows the right wing so called nationalist parties are not as trustworthy on national security when it really counts. We are now tougher on: terror than the right wing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44496284148113953152008-06-13T12:50:00.000+01:002008-06-13T12:50:00.000+01:00Ha! Did I just miss Iain giving a lecture on mathe...Ha! Did I just miss Iain giving a lecture on mathematics? How any unique visitors are there in a visit, Iain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3515506174211026432008-06-13T12:46:00.000+01:002008-06-13T12:46:00.000+01:00To anon @ 12:23 PM: I totally disagree. He doesn't...To anon @ 12:23 PM:<BR/><BR/> I totally disagree. He doesn't have to resign from the Conservatives as there is no break with policy.<BR/> As for you accusing him of making politics 'a circus' that really annoys me.<BR/> We're told that most people agree with 42 days. Therefore DD is consulting his constituents in an entirely appropriate manner i.e. 'If you really really want 42 days then I probably shouldn't be your MP'. I see it as a return to the great days of the 'mother of parliaments' and an enhancement of our democracy.<BR/> Too many MPs (mainly in supposedly safe seats) regard elections as a brief interlude between gravy trains. This might shake up the poltical system in a way that can only be good.<BR/> In David Davis we have found a true 'Conviction Politician', in stark contrast to the evil,calculating,pathetic liar who pretends to be HM the Queen's Prime Minister.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54888672186128504882008-06-13T12:23:00.000+01:002008-06-13T12:23:00.000+01:00what i consistently fail to understand is why anyo...what i consistently fail to understand is why anyone thinks either labour or libs dems should even consider wasting their time and money on this vanity project by fielding a candidate. <BR/><BR/>I would sympathise 100% with Davis if he say, left his party, but isnt it completely contradictory (if not impossible) to stand on a single issue basis, whilst still standing as a Conservative? he is standing as the Conservative candidate. end of story. as such, he is standing on the premise of every single tory party policy. he's already won the seat on this basis, so why feel the need to win it again? <BR/><BR/>in such circumstances, every time the tories vote against the Government and lose they should resign in a fit of moral outrage at the passage of a piece of legislation they oppose. <BR/><BR/>That isnt democracy. thats pure and simple vanity and PR. <BR/><BR/>i'm a Tory and i hope to god he loses. Politicians need to remember that demonstrating not only a commitment to, but a respect for, democracy. Wasting the electorate's time, and whoever's money, isn't going to win anyone any friends. <BR/><BR/>I fully urge every crank in the country to run against him, simply to demonstrate what a circus he has made out of British politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47804524614562686952008-06-13T12:02:00.000+01:002008-06-13T12:02:00.000+01:00I remember Kelvin on QT describing Brown as 'a dud...I remember Kelvin on QT describing Brown as 'a dud'. He then argues last night on 'This Week' that we should believe the PM when he says this legislation is necessary. He came across as incredibly naive.<BR/> I totally agree with Diane Abbot, it WAS and IS all about positioning.<BR/> It really is depressing to watch Her Majesty's ministers playing silly political games with national security.<BR/> Labour spinning the proposed By-Election as a stunt shows just how out of touch they are. In the context of 'Gordon's fight back' you would have thought they relished the chance to again demonstrate their (allegedly)cohesive arguments for prolonged pre-charge detention. <BR/> Labour's problem isn't entirely Gordon. At least part of the problem is that the 'leading' members of the Labour party are spineless cowards and toadies who don't have the courage to promote what they supposedly believe in. They are all an intellectual and moral vacuum.<BR/> Labour are trying to say that the Conservatives are more divided about 42 days than them..er.. reality check: Who had the bigger commons rebellion?<BR/> Oh and much as I like PoliticsHome their PHI100 survey about what proportion of Conservative MPs didn't really support 42 days is complete Horlicks. Its a 'political balanced' survey and therefore not a survey of Conservative MPs. Labour will spin it as such. Many of the PHI100 will be Labour MPs stirring the pot.<BR/><BR/> PS: Don't miss this great Quentin Letts piece> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1025862/Quite-right-42-days-twittered-nodding-Harriet-Harman.html<BR/><BR/> Letts really is turning into a hero, I loved his direct attack on Brown at the press briefing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57856850137215938772008-06-13T11:47:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:47:00.000+01:00Many comments on here seem to be stressing on the ...Many comments on here seem to be stressing on the 42 days point. That is certainly one aspect of all this. But surely the point that David is making is that the 42 days thing is the final straw in a whole 11 years worth of increasingly intrusive behaviour by the government. He has reached the end of his tether and like millions of others, he has decided that enough is enough - and, unlike most of us who can only sit and complain via these blogs, he is in a position and able to actually try to DO something about it. He is using the only weapon at his disposal, his parliamentary seat.<BR/><BR/>The next three weeks will now highlight in the full glare of the up-coming election processes the extent to which our freedoms have been eroded - and one hopes wake the great unwashed British public up to the fact that they have been sleepwalking into a nasty politically correct and illiberal police state led by an unelected and unprincipled communist subversive.<BR/><BR/>There is still time to stop and reverse all this but Davis now requires as much help and vocifierous and other support as he can get. Count me in too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46358916822807017162008-06-13T11:32:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:32:00.000+01:00"it's pretty bleedin' obvious, innit"It's all in t..."it's pretty bleedin' obvious, innit"<BR/><BR/>It's all in the way you sell it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29192954620488209262008-06-13T11:29:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:29:00.000+01:00Kelvin MacKenzie couldn't even win a seat on his l...Kelvin MacKenzie couldn't even win a seat on his local council. If he comes up to Yorkshire, we'll be pleased to give him, and those who back him, a good kicking.<BR/><BR/>Iain is right. Even if this is a stunt, the world beyond Westminster is longing to demonstrate its fury at constant manipulation whether lies over Iraq or buying votes at Crewe or in the Commons, and the accompanying erosion of our rights. It is part of the phenomenon whereby the political class is controlling the electorate and not vice versa.<BR/><BR/>My bet is that Rupe is bright enough to see this and that the Sun won't show, (but I hope he isn't).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74873251075296745992008-06-13T11:25:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:25:00.000+01:00Anonymous 11.19, did you do Maths GCSE? Seeing as ...Anonymous 11.19, did you do Maths GCSE? Seeing as though 66+25 = 91% it's pretty bleedin' obvious, innit?Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80994010524401645662008-06-13T11:20:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:20:00.000+01:00C'mon Iain - are you seriously suggesting a contes...C'mon Iain - are you seriously suggesting a contest in a safe tory seat between one of the most high profile politicians in the country and a slightly ludicrous former newspaper editor funded by Rupert Murdoch is a fair & proper proxy for what Davis and you (and I) agree is a serious and fundamental issue about liberty?<BR/><BR/>Is that seriously what you're suggesting here?<BR/><BR/>I know I'm banging on about it but that sort of pitch is undermining the very issue Davis is claiming to be advancing...Liam Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16493956117016119698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10844854620033733942008-06-13T11:19:00.001+01:002008-06-13T11:19:00.001+01:00An interesting fight with Kelvin Mackenzie? This w...An interesting fight with Kelvin Mackenzie? This will do immense damage to the Tories. <BR/><BR/>An inarticulate, overweight dinosaur who makes Richard Littlejohn look like Shami Chakrabarti.<BR/><BR/>What he will do is bring out the nastiness from the hard right. <BR/><BR/>I thought the Conservatives had forgotten how to do the splits!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75540643315890027312008-06-13T11:19:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:19:00.000+01:00So apart from you and your life-partner, he's the ...So apart from you and your life-partner, he's the buggest shareholder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8109939639852135902008-06-13T11:17:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:17:00.000+01:00He is a minority shareholder - 25%. I and my partn...He is a minority shareholder - 25%. I and my partner own 66%.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45116759568422705232008-06-13T11:10:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:10:00.000+01:00Is Lord Ashcroft the major investor?Is Lord Ashcroft the major investor?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13407145280764848062008-06-13T11:09:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:09:00.000+01:00So in your view, a debate involving puppets is a c...So in your view, a debate involving puppets is a credible one.<BR/><BR/>That's the way to do it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48450985423897999772008-06-13T11:05:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:05:00.000+01:00Anonymous, it is quite clear that I meant Thank Go...Anonymous, it is quite clear that I meant Thank God David Davis has an opponent so the debate can be had. <BR/><BR/>Lord Ashcroft is one of several investors in my magazine. So what?Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1061068824197871652008-06-13T11:02:00.000+01:002008-06-13T11:02:00.000+01:00"what do you mean, what do I mean?"You've describe..."what do you mean, what do I mean?"<BR/><BR/>You've described a man who is running at the behest and request of a very rich man as a man of courage and personal conviction.<BR/><BR/>He's clearly a puppet, but you can't see that.<BR/><BR/>Your new magazine is partly funded by Lord Ashcroft, isn't it? Just asking, like.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37423462179639060682008-06-13T10:48:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:48:00.000+01:00Has somebody used the "T" word about our next Home...Has somebody used the "T" word about our next Home Sec K. MacKenzie? Surely not but let's thank the Sun for making this interesting and joking aside the paper is read by real people with real jobs often self employed and working long hours. Let's hear it for the soaraway SUN.<BR/>PS Looks like my 42 years detention may be coming true.<BR/>Freedom to ProsperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59383359239926468572008-06-13T10:36:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:36:00.000+01:00McKenzie will be a "labour" candidate, as I suspec...McKenzie will be a "labour" candidate, as I suspect he has been asked to stand by Murdoch. He may not wear the colours of labour, but it will be G Brown who is the puppeteer.<BR/><BR/>This is evidence that Brown is Frit again, and wont stand against Davis on his securocrat policies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com