tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5857574324767632280..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Do We Want David Davis To Be a Nodding Dog?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27096065676015175322009-07-28T13:02:46.013+01:002009-07-28T13:02:46.013+01:00The thing is, privacy campaigners concentrate on t...The thing is, privacy campaigners concentrate on their pet hobbyhorse and IT professionals can't see beyond the system aspects. Meanwhile most MPs haven't got a clue and seem to view IT projects as lovely expensive new toys to boost their prestige. There are not many people in a position of influence who can correctly identify the overlap between the two issues, IT and privacy, and successfully highlight it in public.<br /><br />Step forward David Davis. He knows what he's talking about. And more power to his elbow.<br /><br />The very last thing we need in situations like this is "team players". That's what got us into trouble with IT projects in the past.Russellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82450269269225014982009-07-28T09:46:38.880+01:002009-07-28T09:46:38.880+01:00He is just not a team player and that's all th...He is just not a team player and that's all there is to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-66393865612132834192009-07-28T00:36:50.600+01:002009-07-28T00:36:50.600+01:00At the merest mention of Davis, the trolls are out...At the merest mention of Davis, the trolls are out and covering this board. How predictable.<br /><br />Jonforest - bad news, most of the electorate which will hopefully kick Brown and his corruption of a party into touch, are profoundly disinterested in politics, and especially "real Conservative values".<br /><br />What they tend to want, are simple, practical things which will give them some hope for the future.<br />Do you really think that a heavy dose of 1980s Conservative ideaology would help in removing the parasitic incubus that ails us ?Dimotonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26262179706847913652009-07-27T21:59:51.835+01:002009-07-27T21:59:51.835+01:00Your article presupposes that David Davis intends ...Your article presupposes that David Davis intends to remain a back bencher, I'm not sure his interventions suggest that is his plan. DD knows exactly what he is doing: like it or not as a former front bencher and leadership rivsl he hasn't got the previliage of subleties - his comments will always be viewed as supportive or hostile. I think DD the erratic loner has emerged again.Chris Heathcotenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5993896695459239872009-07-27T21:54:48.990+01:002009-07-27T21:54:48.990+01:00Parliamentary sovereignty is being eroded in all s...Parliamentary sovereignty is being eroded in all sorts of ways - the EU, more quangos, ministerial injunctions, scandals, the pitiful state of the House of Lords - and the truth is that MPs are just nodding dogs.<br /><br />The more power these institutions get, the more scandals there are, the longer the House of Lords is kept in its current condition, the less able Parliament as a whole is able to reverse the whole process.<br /><br />It's a shame the following catchphrase has been used so often without results because<br /><br />we do need change.<br /><br />R<br /><br />http://my.telegraph.co.uk/thomashoggRaffaelhttp://my.telegraph.co.uk/thomashoggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47893843341069409572009-07-27T21:35:07.914+01:002009-07-27T21:35:07.914+01:00What a lot of people seem to want nodding dogs and...What a lot of people seem to want nodding dogs and whipped curs! I thought it was the totalitarian tendency in Labour that demanded everyone sing from the same hymn sheet (so long, of course, as they don't do God).<br /><br />What has the recent parliamentary crisis been about if not the ending of craven obedience to the party line, the ending of MPs refusal to consider their consciences and the start of decent scrutiny of policy and legislation (actual or prospective)? Is everyone to follow Harriet Harman and proclaim the fuhrerprinzip - what the leader wants, the leader should get?<br /><br />Politics and Parliament are about debate - hooray!, let's keep it coming.<br /><br />sgd. Simon tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37449079432565503302009-07-27T20:17:14.325+01:002009-07-27T20:17:14.325+01:00Cameron is going to be a wild success as PM and he...Cameron is going to be a wild success as PM and he does have that excellent Eton background and comes from a first class family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5175985484534946502009-07-27T20:04:41.686+01:002009-07-27T20:04:41.686+01:00David Davis should learn discipline. He is a supe...David Davis should learn discipline. He is a super vain egomaniac. Davis is selfish and he will be a back bencher forever.<br /><br />There is a reason why the Tories have been out power for SO long - think about it. David Cameron gets it and that is why DC is the (successful) leader and Davis is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78953912742277531072009-07-27T20:00:53.864+01:002009-07-27T20:00:53.864+01:00Despairing Liberal: Because the Kelly affair playe...Despairing Liberal: Because the Kelly affair played to a left wing (though not new Labour) agenda, helping to discredit George Bush and his war. What could be closer to left wing hearts?<br /><br />As I, and others, have said before, the BBC does criticise Labour, but always for not being left wing enough. It is not that the BBC is directly an organ of the Labour Party, it is more that the Corporation expects the Labour Party to reflect the BBC world view and, like the Guardian, will attack it if it does not.Salmondnethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04135160187810480222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19840156934751599022009-07-27T19:47:00.099+01:002009-07-27T19:47:00.099+01:00"The Tory plan to give all UK health records ..."The Tory plan to give all UK health records to the tender mercies of Google is wrong" (and to others of that ilk)<br /><br />Huh - ?<br />I am suspicious of the growing presence of Google. But why should we think that our records would be any safer in the tender mercies of the Government. A bunch of so called conservatives and libertarians are clearly looking at this problem through the wrong end of the telescope.<br /><br />Keeping records out of the hands of government is our priority surely. And lets be clear (and DD should be as well) - THIS is what Cameron actually said - "We would have said, 'Today you don't need a massive central computer to do this,'" he said. "People can store their health records securely online; they can show them to whichever doctor they want. They're in control, not the state."<br /><br />This idea might not work but DD and others should realise that it is a legitimate thought. Lets get the message straight can we - (and pardon my bluntness) all you dummies out there - "They're in control, not the state." <br />Just what could be more solidly conservative than that???<br /><br />And the suggestion also was 'LIKE' Google and Microsoft.<br /><br />And YET AGAIN to all the DD fans - he left the shadow cabinet on what at best can be regarded as a wild goose chase - why hang DC for that??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32477658953516597312009-07-27T19:46:43.541+01:002009-07-27T19:46:43.541+01:00Despairing Liberal wrote, '... if the BBC has ...Despairing Liberal wrote, '... if the BBC has a built-in right wing bias ...'.<br /><br />Oh dear, DL, hoist by your own parapraxis.Ralph Hancockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11686354797977020917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69299766622626748122009-07-27T19:24:58.146+01:002009-07-27T19:24:58.146+01:00I've been posting for some time that we would ...I've been posting for some time that we would have to provide our own Opposition in the next Parliament as there would be no significant opposition from the Left parties after the Labour wipe out. We do not, ever, want another era of government by sofa, by which a few syncophants clustered round an all-powerful Leader can rely upon a compliant herd of lobby-fodder to push through half-baked, undebated policies.<br /><br />That DD is an ambitious man is undoubted. Most MP's are ambitious. That he forced a bye-election to give himself an individual mandate is also common knowledge. To suggest that he intends to damage the Tories by opposing some of Daves' flights of fancy is ridiculous. Cameron needs a crouching slave in the bottom of the triumphal chariot reminding him that he is mortal. This is what Davis, Tim at ConHome and the Daily Maniac (by default) are doing. It will do the Heir to Blair no harm to be reminded that abandoning core support for the Chimera of wooing the floating voter brings eventual death.Grumpy Old Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3260749412606659962009-07-27T18:58:30.829+01:002009-07-27T18:58:30.829+01:00Completely agree. All MPs should follow 1) conscie...Completely agree. All MPs should follow 1) conscience, 2) country, 3) constituency and 4) Conservatives in that order. It would soon start to restore trust in politicians.Domesdayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072629559843874613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67775614284187984082009-07-27T18:57:31.822+01:002009-07-27T18:57:31.822+01:00Anon 4:16 - if the BBC has a built-in right wing b...Anon 4:16 - if the BBC has a built-in right wing bias, how come they launched the Kelly affair with a direct attack on the credibility of Labour ministers? The most significant recent political affair.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63922891290710139082009-07-27T18:55:18.783+01:002009-07-27T18:55:18.783+01:00He is a serious guy, David Davis and he obviously ...He is a serious guy, David Davis and he obviously wants to discuss policy and the ethics of policies, which is unusual in all of the main parties currently. I read his article on Google in the Times and I thought much of what he said was spot-on.<br /><br />I actually think it's a shame that he isn't currently in the Shadow Cabinet and hope (although probably a vain hope given that all that has transpired) that he comes back. If not, he should clearly continue anyway to speak out clearly and plainly.<br /><br />A most intelligent man and a politician to be rated.<br /><br />The Tory plan to give all UK health records to the tender mercies of Google is wrong and it is derived from the sort of manic privatisation-frenzy that has given us the shockingly awful overpriced railway system and the outsourcing of defence policy to former porn writer-cum-journalists.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90721682405882789942009-07-27T18:21:55.426+01:002009-07-27T18:21:55.426+01:00Ray,Believe me your not.If in doubt talk to some r...Ray,Believe me your not.If in doubt talk to some real foot soldiers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82588633387773699452009-07-27T18:14:48.521+01:002009-07-27T18:14:48.521+01:00When the Cons. get into Government life is going t...When the Cons. get into Government life is going to get tough-very, very tough!The electorate would be far more likely to take their medicine from DD rather than Eton Dave.The feeling that Dave is all about getting power and nothing else continues to grow within the Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48653777149905641762009-07-27T18:10:28.191+01:002009-07-27T18:10:28.191+01:00David Davis is a legend.
A great man.
Never eve...David Davis is a legend.<br /><br />A great man. <br /><br />Never ever should he become a nodding dog.TrueBlueBloodhttp://www.trueblueblood.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23752052997713383202009-07-27T18:03:50.588+01:002009-07-27T18:03:50.588+01:00Breaking News; Iain Dale Defends Davis Davis
Shoc...Breaking News; Iain Dale Defends Davis Davis<br /><br />Shock horror.<br /><br />However as others have pointed out including Forsythe it is the way the article was written that is the problem. From the off it highly confrontational and provocative. The obvious result of which is that it would have been seen as an attack on Cameron.<br /><br />I have no problem with him writing about his thoughts and being constructively critical of Tory policy. But if Davies wants to keep on writing articles without becoming isolated in the party he has to choose his words more carefully.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15063584601538217112009-07-27T17:57:53.872+01:002009-07-27T17:57:53.872+01:00David Davis is the most honest Conservative MP. He...David Davis is the most honest Conservative MP. He is the only guy who is prepared to say what a lot of people think, to stick his neck on the line. He should be back on the front bench ASAP.<br />Getting rid of grammar schools was the single biggest crime against social mobility - one perpetrated not just by Labour but by Conservatives (under Heath).Surely Williams?http://moralorder.mediumisthemess.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67802944148902645952009-07-27T17:55:29.140+01:002009-07-27T17:55:29.140+01:00what on earth did "Dimoto" mean by '...what on earth did "Dimoto" mean by 'Even Enoch Powell could be usefully accommodated in the past'.<br /><br />Enoch Powell was the greatest Prime Minister this Country never had. A true patriot. A true christian and one of the very few 'Honourable Members' representing we the people in Parliament.<br /><br />I only wish he had been around to witness the present shower of all parties, and just what he would have said about the expenses scandal.<br /><br />Remember Mr Powell never accepted a pay rise, which MP's awarded themselves. He said that he was elected on a certain salary and he would wait until the electorate supported any increase.<br /><br />Cameron is a pygmy alongside this man. I do believe that Mr Powell would have stood shoulder to shoulder with David Davis. Although he would have been disappointed with his expenses claims!strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39367658861960806242009-07-27T17:53:42.379+01:002009-07-27T17:53:42.379+01:00Davis' piece is very ignorant of many of the f...Davis' piece is very ignorant of many of the facts surrounding Google.<br /><br />I suggest that in future he actually examines the facts rather than just blurting out some internet memes.<br /><br />For instance:<br /><br />1) He quotes Privacy International who got very upset about Google Streetview, despite Streetview doing nothing but filming in the streets, an entirely legal activity and in no way a contravention of privacy.<br /><br />2) He talks about Google's deal with China, without mentioning that the likes of Yahoo and Microsoft have had to make exactly the same deals to trade with China.<br /><br />I have a more detailed piece on this on my blog if anyone is interested.Tim Almondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13369256383976094670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72684469324226734312009-07-27T17:51:42.986+01:002009-07-27T17:51:42.986+01:00Davis is right about Cameron's Google plan, wh...Davis is right about Cameron's Google plan, which is simultaneously fatuous and extremely dangerous.<br /><br />Google is a vast multinational organisation built on the premise of revealing as much information as possible to as many people as possible. Its concept of personal privacy is light years away from that of most ordinary citizens. Surely it is the very last corporate entity to have the most sensitive, private information about tens of millions of people's medical records entrusted to its dubious care. And I don't give a damn about Cameron's personal links to Silicon Valley, which I suspect are behind this disastrously naive idea. <br /><br />We don't need MPs who are nodding dogs; we need sagacious dogs who not only bark long and loud when they sniff something unsavoury, but also have the teeth to sink into its neck and shake it to death before it ever has the chance to get established.<br /><br />As for personal control over health records, why not use a credit card sized device which can be updated by a GP's computer and handed back to the patient? <a href="http://www.healthecard.co.uk" rel="nofollow">It's in existence already.</a>Russellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41014006433215343792009-07-27T17:39:28.401+01:002009-07-27T17:39:28.401+01:00it's time cameron buried whatever hatchet ther...it's time cameron buried whatever hatchet there is between him and davis and got the latter back in the shadow cab, lickety-split. he's a huge asset, got a bucket-load of clout and brits love former special forces bods, as paddy pantsdown will testify. <br /><br />iain - please run a poll on bringing davis back ...Jules Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316327361072587324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30935415100056806802009-07-27T17:28:10.929+01:002009-07-27T17:28:10.929+01:00I've got total respect for DD. He's princi...I've got total respect for DD. He's principled, mature in debate, and sincere in what he is saying. Name me a Labour MP or cabinet figure who meets all those criteria....<br /><br />Would have not been that bothered if DD had become leader of Party, he prob would have done a good job just as well as DC.Plentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06205851616053056137noreply@blogger.com