tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5679244025929205562..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Stuart Wheeler's Really Helpful InterventionIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58694807236945390802009-05-17T08:13:00.000+01:002009-05-17T08:13:00.000+01:00Even Wheeler is entitled to his opinion Alan.
Are ...Even Wheeler is entitled to his opinion Alan.<br />Are you not pushing the party line too much? Did I not read that you have been selected to stand as a Toriy somewhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26230946753050235272008-09-20T12:56:00.000+01:002008-09-20T12:56:00.000+01:00Following Stewart Wheeler's suggestion that the "C...Following Stewart Wheeler's suggestion that the "Conservatives should renegotiate our relationship with the E.U.". Is there anyone able to answer my question as to whether the Conservatives can renegotiate E.U. Membeship as all the Treaties are legal documents and have been ratified by the Queen?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Please can someone tell me why a vote for one of the three main parties, who are all pro-E.U. would help us withdraw from the shackles of the European Union. I am at a loss to understand why and the reason I am asking for a reply to this question is because, like Stewart Wheeler I used to be a loyal Conservative supporter, but not any more, I feel the Conservatives have completely betrayed my trust in them as a Party. Britains should have been told the full implications and truth of membership of the EEC thirtyfive years ago when it was first agreed, but we were not and this is shameful. I want the people who govern my country to tell me the truth, after all I do not tell lies to anyone and I do not expect anyone to lie to me in return. <BR/><BR/>It is also of interest that many countries in the world trade freely with the European Region and it does not cost them a penny piece of membership. <BR/><BR/>Also where are our Christian principles, when thousands of tons of dead fish are thrown back into the sea every time a fisherman brings in a haul which is over his quota, whilst people in other countries are starving, naming Zimbabwe as an example. Mick Mahon, a Cornish fisherman is apparently being fined £50,000 by the authorities for bringing his dead fish back to shore to give away. If we had 'common sense' government, this would not be allowed to happen.<BR/><BR/>Please, everyone on this website, think about the sort of country you and your families wish to live in in the future and encourage others to do the same by become more active in implementing your goals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36521077014478001362008-09-19T23:14:00.000+01:002008-09-19T23:14:00.000+01:00I am a Conservative member, voter and activist. Ho...I am a Conservative member, voter and activist. However, I certainly won't be voting for the Conservatives in an election where the composition of the list means such a vote is a vote in favour of continued "ever greater union".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75695012985087238362008-09-19T18:50:00.000+01:002008-09-19T18:50:00.000+01:00"The effect of people not voting Conservative in t..."The effect of people not voting Conservative in the Euro elections would mean the election of more Europhile MPs"<BR/>RAOFL!<BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13518504391304342552008-09-19T04:00:00.000+01:002008-09-19T04:00:00.000+01:00BNP for me too, I know they are anti EU.NB Anti EU...BNP for me too, I know they are anti EU.<BR/>NB Anti EU, not anti European, and they want to allow the Gurkhas Residence which I believe in too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23923491994258343292008-09-18T23:27:00.000+01:002008-09-18T23:27:00.000+01:00It's UKIP for me in the euro's. Warming to Cameron...It's UKIP for me in the euro's. Warming to Cameron for the National ... but even then the BNP are looking favourable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80516397902367682632008-09-18T21:13:00.000+01:002008-09-18T21:13:00.000+01:00Desperate Dan: So when asked to explain your conce...Desperate Dan: So when asked to explain your concerns about renegotiating powers from the EU you can do no better that resort to anti-Americanism? Is that good enough reasons to put up with the drain on our wealth and democracy that the EU represents? The US is a powerful country but does not have the power to decide an ever-growing body of EU law which is the supreme law of this land and which is steadily replacing the law-making power and Parliament and the ability of our votes to shape the law we live under. <BR/><BR/>I support good relations with the US, European countries and the wider world, but I want that we the British people are able to live under a government of our choosing. This since is an aspiration incompatible with the EU project we have to decouple ourselves from ‘ever closer union’ and there will be no better opportunity than 2010, a year that may see the 1st incoming Conservative government for 31 years. It is imperative that this new government uses a popular mandate and Commons majority to resolve this worsening problem because if the opportunity is squandered we may not see another chance for 31 more years by which time the one-way ratchet to the super-state will be very far advanced indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63394468287018414952008-09-18T20:52:00.000+01:002008-09-18T20:52:00.000+01:00Like others here, I would vote UKIP in the EU elec...Like others here, I would vote UKIP in the EU elections and Conservative in the GE.<BR/><BR/>However, the 2009 council elections still loom. Should Cameron not come off his fence before then, I shall vote UKIP in the council elections, as well.<BR/><BR/>Thank you Stuart Wheeler - I salute you!IndigoSpicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13823160705751071082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23279293535592827792008-09-18T20:36:00.000+01:002008-09-18T20:36:00.000+01:00Wow, Foxy, you really are a Euro-bore!Wow, Foxy, you really are a Euro-bore!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67071462024010216622008-09-18T19:26:00.000+01:002008-09-18T19:26:00.000+01:00desperate danNow we've got to the bottom of it hav...desperate dan<BR/><BR/>Now we've got to the bottom of it haven't we? What DO you think of the USA?<BR/><BR/>hatfield girl<BR/><BR/>Gibberish. Provide something concrete instead of getting lost in abstractions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2559231417525327972008-09-18T19:11:00.000+01:002008-09-18T19:11:00.000+01:00Lady Finchley's entry leaves me speechless, well n...Lady Finchley's entry leaves me speechless, well nearly! I am another Euro bore (as you put it) and a loyal member of UKIP. I thought we still lived in a democracy but judging by Lady Finchley's views, we do not. All the problems facing Britain today are entirely as a result of our membership of the Europen Union.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, I understand that, since our membership in 1972 it has cost us 217 bn. pounds and we have a Trading deficit with the E.U. of 357 bn. pounds. This on top of a Black Hole created by Labour presently running at 65 bn. pounds this financial year. No wonder it is costing every British Tax Payer dearly because we Brits have to pay to furnish the countried debt. This is of course is the reason why all our services are underfunded, the Government simply do not have the money to support them. <BR/><BR/>Addressing briefly the three main parties policy on Europe. They are all Pro E.U. therefore a vote for any of them in the General Election will be wasted if you wish to withdraw from the E.U. Stewart Wheeler would like to see the Conservatives renegotiate E.U. Membership but I believe this cannot be done because all the Treaties are legal documents and have been ratified by The Queen and are not open to renegotiation. Therefore a vote for UKIP at either election will be essential if you wish to withdraw from the E.U., otherwise the status quo will remain for ever. UKIP has moderate and sensible policies, please refer to the Manifesto on our Website. <BR/><BR/>I would like to ask those of you who are going to vote for the Conservative Party at the General Election. What do you think is going to be gained for voting for this Party, apart from being elected and getting the country back on its feet (which of course is laudible). The problems of the E.U. will remain, i.e. the undermining of our Christian values, uncontrolled immigration, more legislation to put us an even tighter straight-jacket and financial ruin etc. etc. <BR/><BR/>Good Luck Stewart, I hope your approach to D.C. will achieve the success it deserves, although I am sceptical about the renegotiation suggestion as I have stated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48221837940709710262008-09-18T18:56:00.000+01:002008-09-18T18:56:00.000+01:00Blackacre: As you say many voters don’t care about...Blackacre: As you say many voters don’t care about the EU. So there is no chance that a Conservative policy to return power from Brussels will affect the Tory opinion poll lead hugely. Of those voters that do care, there are many more want the EU to have less power over our lives than support the Lisbon treaty or ‘ever closer union’. So a more assertive Conservative policy to rengotiate membership can only be a Tory vote winner. <BR/><BR/>Given the general trend to EU-scepticism, this is a policy which is more likely to split the other parties than the Tories. Tory supporters of the EU project have been reduced to a rump while even Charles Kennedy now has to make speeches at LibDem conferences shoring up the pro-EU position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35332245063285790632008-09-18T18:27:00.000+01:002008-09-18T18:27:00.000+01:00Freeborn JohnOur economy's already damaged and it ...Freeborn John<BR/>Our economy's already damaged and it has nothing to do with the EU. And I've noticed that in the case of men like Wheeler anti-Europe usually means pro-US, not pro-UK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19151736409402128602008-09-18T17:46:00.000+01:002008-09-18T17:46:00.000+01:00Fab isn't it. Poll rating 52%, double that of Lab...Fab isn't it. Poll rating 52%, double that of Labour. And yet the Conservatives have every chance of wrecking it once again over Europe.<BR/><BR/>A note to you all in the Conservative Party - most people do not care much about Europe. If you pull yourself apart over this again, you will lose your lead.Blackacrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15808024417861534968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36893491271572744522008-09-18T17:29:00.000+01:002008-09-18T17:29:00.000+01:00The only ones with swivel eyes etc. are those in t...The only ones with swivel eyes etc. are those in the Cabinet (especially Hutton and Smith) who think Brown is doing a good job.<BR/><BR/>If you don't like the way the EU is developing then voting UKIP at the European election is perfectly rational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40715794272881616552008-09-18T17:21:00.000+01:002008-09-18T17:21:00.000+01:00'What is the point of a Conservative government wi...'What is the point of a Conservative government with the kind of massive majority that 52% support in the country would give if not to solve the fundamental problem of the EU and its corrosive effect on our democracy?' asks 4.29.<BR/><BR/>It isn't the European Union that is corroding democracy in the United Kingdom, and threatening the dissolution of the Union itself. The corrosion and the threat comes from the New Labour regime.<BR/><BR/>New Labour have vandalised our constitution, undermined the rule of law, removed civil liberties of centuries' standing, exposed the United Kingdom economy to the worst of the credit crisis, failed to invest and renew during their 11 years in power, and imported an obsessive observance of the minutiae of European Union legislation into our country to justify their building of a client base with jobsworths and creeps.<BR/><BR/>You can't blame the European Union for not suiting the United Kingdom. Blame the current regime for pretending that it is the EU that denies self determination and independent choices. This not true.<BR/><BR/>Most European Union member-states are generally fully supportive of the EU and its objectives; why not, it conforms to their state systems and delivers their requirements. <BR/><BR/>Note that the UK is always out of step, always arguing, always refusing to associate itself. Leave. But fight and abuse the real enemy - your own governments whose unacceptable agendas are hidden in whipped up anti-EU feeling.hatfield girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12673905475452420002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63826503472460851432008-09-18T17:05:00.000+01:002008-09-18T17:05:00.000+01:00Desperate Dan. Can you describe what damage you be...Desperate Dan. Can you describe what damage you believe the policy advocated by Mr. Wheeler would do? Would it (in your worst case scenario of EU withdrawal) damage our economy in the way that Switzerland, Norway and Iceland have been reduced to poverty outside the EU? Would we be reduced to the terrible position of Canada that is negotiating free trade with the EU/EEA in addition that already achieved via NAFTA with the US & Mexico while remaining a true democracy? What if we are able to stay in the EU, but negotiate the return of substantial political powers lost in recent EU treaties while still retaining voting rights over single market legislation? <BR/><BR/>What are you so afraid of that would stop a Conservative government negotiating improvements in our relationship with the EU that the majority of Britons want which would also keep a substantial financial donor like Stuart Wheeler on board?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38354345251122062592008-09-18T16:56:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:56:00.000+01:00It seems to me that there are a lot of people writ...It seems to me that there are a lot of people writing here who feel like me - voting UKIP in 2009. My only quibble is that I might not vote Tory in any GE that occurs between now and 2010. <BR/><BR/>A few policies might help. Nothing tricky - how about stopping non-Police handing out fines? Or finding enough dentists?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12761165930208550952008-09-18T16:45:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:45:00.000+01:00Sorry, you're saying Dave has a policy. Is it writ...Sorry, you're saying Dave has a policy. Is it written down anywhere?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18056812880451888602008-09-18T16:43:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:43:00.000+01:00"Stuart Wheeler and David Davis stand up for what ..."Stuart Wheeler and David Davis stand up for what they believe in ...."<BR/><BR/>...regardless of the damage it might do. Perhaps they should form a club with Ken Livingstone. They all have so much in common.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79990350530330173092008-09-18T16:38:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:38:00.000+01:00Vote Tory in the euros for more 'Europe',whatever ...Vote Tory in the euros for more 'Europe',whatever Dave may say. <BR/><BR/>Wheeler is bright enough to know that surely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60115915255064309992008-09-18T16:29:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:29:00.000+01:0080% of British law is now made in Brussels, but Ia...80% of British law is now made in Brussels, but Ian Dale prefers to turn a blind eye. His highest aspiration seems to be what Norman Lamont called “being in office but not in power”. What is the point of a Conservative government with the kind of massive majority that 52% support in the country would give if not to solve the fundamental problem of the EU and its corrosive effect on our democracy? Is such a majority really to be used to keep to the current Labour government’s spending targets instead? Based on what I see here the Tories will last one parliament and we will be as sick of you after two years are we are with Gordon Brown after one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67602686772774504422008-09-18T16:28:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:28:00.000+01:00I'll vote Conservative in the UK, but UKIP in Euro...I'll vote Conservative in the UK, but UKIP in Europe.<BR/>The Tories need a to know they are on a knife edge when it comes to the EU!T England. Raised from the dead.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15814544369270630911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31074605296712550042008-09-18T16:21:00.001+01:002008-09-18T16:21:00.001+01:00"The effect of people not voting Conservative in t..."The effect of people not voting Conservative in the Euro elections would mean the election of more Europhile MPs."<BR/><BR/>Euro-elections are proportional representation. What's your point?Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33126796436948888992008-09-18T16:21:00.000+01:002008-09-18T16:21:00.000+01:00Several loons on this site say that they will vote...Several loons on this site say that they will vote UKIP in the Euro elections.<BR/><BR/>Why? If you are agin our membership of the EU abstaining is the only option.<BR/><BR/>For UKIP MEPs are idle, corrupt or just bonkers and they do nothing on being elected but take the EU shilling.<BR/><BR/>Just don't vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com