tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5478281755462977970..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: David Davis ResignsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger169125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2522001573193623142008-06-13T15:57:00.000+01:002008-06-13T15:57:00.000+01:00I find myself genetically incapable of voting Tory...I find myself genetically incapable of voting Tory, but Davis has won my lasting respect and admiration for this move. The trend towards 'guilty until proven innocent' is very frightning, and I commend Davis for his action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56136868351626255282008-06-13T10:42:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:42:00.000+01:00The bottom line is that the issues he is raising (...The bottom line is that the issues he is raising (not just 42 days) are of such importance that they should receive the support of all who value freedom.Al Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07179473485486839470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79443337236173576812008-06-13T06:54:00.000+01:002008-06-13T06:54:00.000+01:00He could have had it all come the next General Ele...He could have had it all come the next General Election. All he had to do was keep his powder dry and wait. Well, he's blown that... It's political obscurity for him because he will just be seen as another ranter no matter how he seeks to justify this potty decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72218270858380900682008-06-13T04:31:00.000+01:002008-06-13T04:31:00.000+01:00I absolutely support David's decision. Its about t...I absolutely support David's decision. Its about time someone stood up for us.<BR/><BR/>The rest of the Tory Party shouldn't hesitate for one minute to get aboard his campaign to be re-elected.<BR/><BR/>Now if only we could persuade Brown to stand for an election?John Pickworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02166443099429490782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26268810873556089982008-06-13T03:34:00.000+01:002008-06-13T03:34:00.000+01:00Jeremy Jacobs, I'm not naive at all and you are co...Jeremy Jacobs, I'm not naive at all and you are correct. That's why I am one of the millions who got not just out of Britain, but out of Europe. <BR/><BR/>The Stazi, in the form of councillors checking on garbage bags, for God's sake, and where children registering for a specific school live and not being allowed to speak one's thoughts because that's another case for the UK Thought Police and an old couple getting a visit from the UK Thought Police because they asked their local council if they could display Christian literature next to a table displaying gay literature (a forty minute visit while they were chastised and - attempted reprogrammed) ... immigrants from less stable cultures brought in to destablise our own ancient culture ... who wouldn't elbow their way out of this hellhole? Well, those insulated by money who never had to deal with it, of course - although didn't Harriet Harperson wear a Kelvar outfit to visit her own constituency?<BR/><BR/>Naive? I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51203392084395222752008-06-12T22:43:00.000+01:002008-06-12T22:43:00.000+01:00Verity 4.41pmI think your being a bit naive. The E...Verity 4.41pm<BR/><BR/>I think your being a bit naive. The EU will find a way of getting a Yes in Ireland and elsewhere eventually.Jeremy Jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02014279463894807064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8911182475056113272008-06-12T22:21:00.000+01:002008-06-12T22:21:00.000+01:00Conand said... "Totally inspiring speech from DD. ...Conand said... <BR/>"Totally inspiring speech from DD. David Cameron and Dominic Grieve have been great too."<BR/><BR/>In his TV interview from Cornwall, it was obvious that David Cameron was furious at the action taken by David Davis. He couldn't have been less supportive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4064415362867007482008-06-12T22:17:00.000+01:002008-06-12T22:17:00.000+01:00verity said... "I am thrilled to bits. The action ...verity said... <BR/>"I am thrilled to bits. The action was daring and I believe he has read the mood of the country ..."<BR/><BR/>The mood of the country on the 42 days issue was demonstrated by all the opinion polls which showed an overwhelming majority in favour of the proposed measures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63818022313656676492008-06-12T21:59:00.000+01:002008-06-12T21:59:00.000+01:00Hear Hear David Davis, a man in Politics who has h...Hear Hear David Davis, a man in Politics who has honour!!! He was the right man for the leadership. Shame the boy wonder got it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92179121368606377192008-06-12T21:23:00.000+01:002008-06-12T21:23:00.000+01:00If David Davis was genuinely interested in the ero...If David Davis was <B>genuinely</B> interested in the erosion of British liberty (not <I>English</I> liberty as the Tories mistakenly keep stating) then he'd have resigned over the issue of 28 days. <BR/><BR/>Why now on 42? What is the magic difference with an extra two weeks. <BR/><BR/>Its pure cynical opportunism and has had the other unforeseen effect that it has managed to deflect attention from Gordon Brown and onto the differences in the Shadow Cabinet. <BR/><BR/>So, back to the issue, why 28 good and 42 bad?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28617866946131510962008-06-12T21:05:00.000+01:002008-06-12T21:05:00.000+01:00What an utter plonker Davis is.And he is supposed ...What an utter plonker Davis is.And he is supposed to be on the right of the party! A measure of the extent to which it has lurched to the left...niconoclasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346612911422614130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87235075351756743772008-06-12T18:16:00.000+01:002008-06-12T18:16:00.000+01:00I wonder if we any anti-42-day MPs (especially Lab...I wonder if we any anti-42-day MPs (especially Labour MPs) reading this would consider following in Mr Davis's footsteps and also resigning and fighting a campaign on this basis? It would certainly cause a major rethink in Gordon's strategy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1296925604231632642008-06-12T17:29:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:29:00.000+01:00@ anonymous 3.15the population as a whole don't gi...@ anonymous 3.15<BR/><BR/><I>the population as a whole don't give two hoots whether religiously muddled bigots are held for 42 days or 420</I><BR/><BR/>No, <I>you've</I> missed the point - which is that, as sure as God made little potatoes, this law will be used to imprison people who aren't terrorists. <BR/><BR/>Would you personally be OK with you being imprisoned for six weeks without charge and without knowing the evidence against you? Not some terrorist, but you, you yourself you, personally? Lose your job, your home, lose contacts with your family except for an hour a week or whatever, live in prison among violent convicts, innocent of everything while the police get a nice leisurely six weeks to frame you?<BR/><BR/><I>That's</I> the exam question here. Think plod wouldn't screw it up? Jean Charles de Menezes probably thought the same. And those guys they shot in east London who hadn't done anything. Stop thinking about this happening to some abstract "darkie" and think about it happening to you. Still happy with 42 days?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41911955291111895672008-06-12T17:20:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:20:00.000+01:00The really interesting thing about this is which c...<I>The really interesting thing about this is which candidate Conservative Home will support?</I><BR/><BR/>Since someone at ConHome's already taken to deleting comments critical of David Cameron, and indicative of any kind of 'rift', we can perhaps assume that he's already in 'nanny knows best' mode, familiar from the time when he suppressed his own poll results because they demonstrated, just before a Tory Party conference, that the grassroots weren't that keen on Mr Cameron. But yes, he must be finding it jolly hard to square the particular circle he's created for himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80212292019034650292008-06-12T17:16:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:16:00.000+01:00surely if Liebour chose not to stand against DD th...surely if Liebour chose not to stand against DD they either endorse his position or fear a fight?GarethShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207806640711750915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40305437625094954222008-06-12T17:03:00.001+01:002008-06-12T17:03:00.001+01:00@Zeddy.Tories and Shami oppose 42 days.The Govt an...@Zeddy.<BR/>Tories and Shami oppose 42 days.<BR/><BR/>The Govt and a (alleged) majority of the public support 42 days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87650869596749409062008-06-12T17:03:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:03:00.000+01:00Sorry I meant to addrsss my comments above to anon...Sorry I meant to addrsss my comments above to anonymous at 3.41 pm not 3.21 pm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79966874598605342272008-06-12T17:00:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:00:00.000+01:00Dear anonymous at 3.21 pm.The public have bought t...Dear anonymous at 3.21 pm.<BR/><BR/>The public have bought the line "if you are innocent you have nothing to fear" with regard to 42 days etc. However DD campaign will really bring it home to them what these laws could result in for to "ordinary, innocent" people.<BR/><BR/>20 years ago at the height of the IRA's campaign (in which they specifically targeted Tory MPS and activists) a very charming Irishman called Mike became active in my local Tory Association. I and some of my friends spent many an evening talking politics with him over a pint. He was very keen to attend the Tory conference that year. <BR/><BR/>Then one day he disappeared without a trace. Shortly afterwards Special Branch came visiting and interviewed some of us re Mike.<BR/><BR/>Was he an IRA terrorist who got cold feet? (He did say he liked us - I like to think he thought the better of going through with any plan that might hurt his friends). We shall never know. <BR/><BR/>However if he was, then I and various others would have been "associates" of his.<BR/>Could the police have detained us for 42 days?<BR/><BR/>Imagine if Mike had been an Asian Muslim - and the friends he had associated had also been Asian Muslims. Would they - although completely innocent - be in danger of being locked up under this legislation? I am sure they would.<BR/><BR/>3 of the 6 people detained under the 28 day rule were released on day 27 but never charged (it looks like one was brought to the attention of the police solely on the "evidence" of an associate who bore a grudge against him.) 28 days detention is more than enough time in which to lose your job and maybe your home - let alone 42 days.<BR/><BR/>There are many other actions the goverment scould be doing taking against terrorism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65791409819575906302008-06-12T16:44:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:44:00.000+01:00The Tory Leadership Election is on, I see.One of t...The Tory Leadership Election is on, I see.<BR/><BR/>One of the morally and socially conservative, Eurosceptical, Unionist remnant, or at least some as near thereto as could possibly be permitted within the Shadow Cabinet, has finally had enough (at least fifty years late, but never mind), and is quite clearly mounting a challenge.<BR/><BR/>Almost everything on Davis's entirely correct list of assaults on liberty was pioneered by the Tories' immediate previous Leader when he was Home Secretary, and it is inconceivable that the Cameroons really would repeal any of it.<BR/><BR/>The Conservative Party's refusal to fund his by-election campaign says it all, as does Cameron's stitch up of no candidates from the Lib Dems (certainly) or Labour (probably, and in that case in breach of its own Constitution) in order to deny Davis his victory.<BR/><BR/>If Labour really won't be putting up, then one of the commentariat supporters of 42 days should do so as an Independent. What are they afraid of?<BR/><BR/>There is an underlying point here. People go into politics because they believe that the State should do certain things.<BR/><BR/>When the State delivered education and health care, and ran things like railways and mines, then it felt no need to introduce ID cards, or to bang people up for six weeks without even so much as charging them, or to keep vast databases on them, or to watch them all the time. For that matter, no such needs were felt when the Police patrolled the streets on foot.<BR/><BR/>But now, having arbitrarily decided that they will not do such sensible and necessary things as delivering education and health care, or running railways and mines, or ensuring that the Police patrol the streets on foot, how are the political and administrative classes to occupy their time?<BR/><BR/>Why, by introducing ID cards, and banging people up for six weeks without even so much as charging them, and keeping vast databases on them, or watching them all the time, of course.<BR/><BR/>That, and waging pointless wars.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3643880295148232662008-06-12T16:41:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:41:00.000+01:00Well said Pete!I am thrilled to bits. The action ...Well said Pete!<BR/><BR/>I am thrilled to bits. The action was daring and I believe he has read the mood of the country regarding the ever-tightening state grasp around the necks for formerly free Britons.<BR/><BR/>What a day for democracy! And as someone pointed out above, we still have Irish Referendum result to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43964864675937032232008-06-12T16:31:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:31:00.000+01:00Curmy said... I really don't understand why he's d...Curmy said... <BR/>I really don't understand why he's done this, he seems to be shooting himself in the foot and damaging his party in the process.<BR/><BR/>June 12, 2008 1:31 PM<BR/><BR/>Really?<BR/>What comes first, the party(which doesn't reflect the interests of its supporters)...or the COUNTRY...which is going to hell in a handcart at present?<BR/>It's not just about 42 hours...it's about our life & liberty for which so many have given their lives & so few seem to care about.<BR/>Liberty means little until you've lost it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72694463174807551612008-06-12T16:28:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:28:00.000+01:00As a Labour supporter until a couple of years ago,...As a Labour supporter until a couple of years ago, and a Green voter now, I have to say that I admire David Davis for his courage and his integrity - two qualities that seem in short supply from the man with the "moral compass".<BR/><BR/>Compare David Davis with Austin Mitchell. mr Mitchell said on Radio 4 news last night that he did not support 42 days but to have voted in line with his conscience would have "made things bad for Gordon" - so here is a man who hasn't got the guts to stand up for what he believes in - and some of the NL shower wonder why they are no longer respected by the voters.<BR/><BR/>AlanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31176568022909009912008-06-12T16:27:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:27:00.000+01:00The really interesting thing about this is which c...The really interesting thing about this is which candidate Conservative Home will support?<BR/><BR/>After they so spectacularly put paleo-ideology before party yesterday, how could they not support a Labour candidate who espoused their civil neanderthalian prejudices on detention without trial, ID cards and the other manifestations of the surveillance state Davis is standing against?<BR/><BR/>Cornerstone for Labour!<BR/>Authoritarians of all parties Unite!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34026631640245768722008-06-12T16:19:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:19:00.000+01:00eh? don't get the point of this at all.He's resign...eh? don't get the point of this at all.<BR/><BR/>He's resigned to force a by-election, which given the current anti-brown feeling he'll walk anyway.<BR/><BR/>So what's he going to prove?<BR/><BR/>Now if a labour front bencher had resigned and stood as an independant then I could understand. But the tories were against 42 days anyway?!?!<BR/><BR/>Very odd, very stupid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67676459636273077812008-06-12T16:15:00.000+01:002008-06-12T16:15:00.000+01:00From bbc.co.uk:Foreign suspects held in Guantanamo...From bbc.co.uk:<BR/><BR/><I>Foreign suspects held in Guantanamo Bay have the right to challenge their detention in US civilian courts, the US Supreme Court has ruled.<BR/><BR/>The court said the detainees "have the constitutional privilege of habeas corpus".<BR/><BR/>Justice Anthony Kennedy said: "The laws and constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times.</I><BR/><BR/>Maybe the tide is turning in the US as well?<BR/><BR/>What a week! And there's still the Irish referendum result to come...Richard Nabavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11528980060497008785noreply@blogger.com