tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post5289717731966343896..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Blair to Sign a New European ConstitutionIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74234568276262714662007-02-27T19:52:00.000+00:002007-02-27T19:52:00.000+00:00If this treachery by a man losing his grasp of rea...If this treachery by a man losing his grasp of reality,is true, Brown and the cabinet must be in agreement. What plans are there to prevent this disaster?<BR/>It would make the Labour Party unelectable for fifty years but even this is too high a price to pay.<BR/><BR/>DaemonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43979082722678254812007-02-26T13:51:00.000+00:002007-02-26T13:51:00.000+00:00Anonymous 3:22 a.m. - Blair is vain and self-regar...Anonymous 3:22 a.m. - Blair is vain and self-regarding to a degree that tells me he doesn't have the thinnest, most tenuous tether to reality.<BR/><BR/>Gary Powell - I agree with you. Many people might not have noticed the BBC's entry into powerful politics on little cat feet, but I was away for several years, and when I returned to Britain, I was shocked at the power, and malice, of the BBC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15040065674998433712007-02-26T13:18:00.000+00:002007-02-26T13:18:00.000+00:00The contrast should be old constitution and this o...The contrast should be old constitution and this one.<BR/><BR/>Iain scares me with this new one as being more powerful that the old.<BR/><BR/>A foreign secretary for all? The old one says that if an individual country disagrees, then they can opt out.<BR/><BR/>The EU budget, so lovingly embraced by Thatcher's children, is old hat and well they know it.<BR/><BR/>Trade has doubled since then and the calculations for our membership require a bigger payout (for a bigger return) as a consequence.<BR/><BR/>A bit of scaremongering going on here and the Tories want to scare for the simple reason that they are done.<BR/><BR/>Dead and buried as a political force in this Country.<BR/><BR/>Heath, Thatcher, Major, and now Blair. Duty done, regardless.<BR/><BR/>Long live the European Union and down with racists.<BR/><BR/>Doom.Dr.Doomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12693690337088689687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40771255762657134992007-02-26T03:22:00.000+00:002007-02-26T03:22:00.000+00:00Everything Blair does is about his own vanity.He i...Everything Blair does is about his own vanity.<BR/><BR/>He is so vain and deluded, he probably still thinks he can become President of a United States of Europe. This final act of treachery, signing away our independence is again all about his vanity and his need for a legacy. <BR/><BR/>I've been saying for five years Blair would never stand again as an MP after he steps down, because he is too vain and self-important to play second fiddle to anyone else. I never thought he would make it so obvious that he would force a bi-election.<BR/><BR/>Why do Labour MPs put up with all this. It is like watching the Stepford Wives their sychophancy is so sickening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74058487290392003892007-02-26T02:51:00.000+00:002007-02-26T02:51:00.000+00:00There is a lot of content on the above posts. One ...There is a lot of content on the above posts. One elephant in the kitchen you all seem to have missed is the BBC.<BR/><BR/>Our political elites are quite aware that they cant win an election, never mind stay in effective power for long without keeping them sweet.<BR/><BR/>Many of us may have given up on aunty many years ago, but they still command a lot of trust with floating voters. Although god knows why.<BR/><BR/>The BBCs agenda has got all the 3 main parties by the balls. Its very large TV tax funded research teams backed up with leaked MI5 files have got the "goods" on every MP in the country. <BR/><BR/>They can choose to release "information" of a "very delicate nature" on just about every member of the house of commons and many large companies, whenever they choose.<BR/><BR/>You all may have noticed how the BBC puts the dogs on someone or some business at a whim. But we should always ask ourselves. Why? And especialy. Why now?<BR/><BR/>Also<BR/><BR/>The PM though his civil servants at the whipps office or at private undersecretary level can and does leak to the press and much more importantly the BBC and the rest of the broadcast media. <BR/><BR/>He can do this when he likes and to anyone or any business he likes. Or should I say does not like.<BR/><BR/>Many of the strings the European project pulls are pulled at broadcasting house.<BR/><BR/>The BBC is in direct contact with European media institutions, which also feed on each other to protect their respective government budgets.<BR/><BR/>All the top executives most of the governors and a vaste magority of BBC reporters, directors, and above all editors have personal long standing politicaly inspired pro EU agendas. Which they dont often even bother to hide.<BR/><BR/>All this makes getting the BBC to represent the publics desires concerning the European issue, almost an impossible task.<BR/><BR/>It is not possible to overstate the DIRECT affect the BBC has on national debate and national policy. Or the only slightly less indirect power the PM has over the BBC.<BR/><BR/>So any campaign to stop the EU has to involve a full scale attack on the BBCs credibility as well as our governments.<BR/><BR/>Otherwise the BBC will just spin us all into silence, or even jail. No joke.<BR/><BR/>The people we know are with us, however the public mainly just want a peacefull life. So some one or something has to wake them up.<BR/><BR/>Peacefull but very large public protest marches are the only thing our media can not now easily ignore.<BR/><BR/>Because take my word for it the BBC have ignored the will of the British people for a very long time.<BR/><BR/>So they are not going to change their EU agenda now for all the cash in Ronny Cohens bank account. Not anyway, without a very serious well organised fight.<BR/><BR/>Yes sorry chaps and chapesses this is a battle that can not be won by us all sitting at our bosses PCs alone. We might just have to start doing some real protesting.<BR/><BR/>If this countries democracy, that countless millions of our forefathers died for, is not worth at least that.<BR/><BR/>Then quite frankly we can not only "hold our manhoods cheap" we will DESERVE to loose our freedon and democracy and that of our childrens forever.<BR/><BR/>Do we all want our children to know when reading their history books that it was OUR generation that just chucked it all away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87467149996595599822007-02-25T23:54:00.000+00:002007-02-25T23:54:00.000+00:00Discovered Joys - Too bad you overstated your case...Discovered Joys - Too bad you overstated your case. The Blairina does indeed want to be elevated to first lady ("lady", in her case, being broadly defined to include the term 'fishwife'), but Blair has not committed "genocide" in Iraq. The killing of Iraqis is going on between the Sunnis and the Shia for dominance and has nothing to do with us. I hate Blair, but the Sunnis and the Shia can't be laid at his door.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15471077862365079052007-02-25T22:47:00.000+00:002007-02-25T22:47:00.000+00:00You want a petition - how about:http://petitions.p...You want a petition - how about:<BR/>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/EU-treaty-NON/<BR/><BR/>In any event it is not Crony Bliar who wants the EU Presidency, it is Cherie who wants to be called "The First Lady". She gets all the EU freebies and her hubby doesn't get hauled up on charges of genocide.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63264311013621176842007-02-25T22:14:00.000+00:002007-02-25T22:14:00.000+00:00There's a lot of pie in the sky, wishful thinking ...There's a lot of pie in the sky, wishful thinking on this thread. I hope this issue isn't going to cause fissures in the Tory Party again, allowing New Labour to win another election followed by five more years of them pillaging and ransacking what's left of the UK economyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10606132689331684032007-02-25T21:38:00.000+00:002007-02-25T21:38:00.000+00:00I completely agree with Anonymous at 1.52pm.We mus...I completely agree with Anonymous at 1.52pm.<BR/>We must start a campaign against this and I sugeest it should be by letter to your MP, of whatever party, an online petition and copious letters to your local and national newspapers.<BR/>Anything, anything to stop this traitor from selling his own country down the river so he and his family are able to enjoy the rest of their lives living off not only us but all of Europe for the rest of their sorry, despicable lives!!governorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13757661069347054721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3270132832521969382007-02-25T20:30:00.000+00:002007-02-25T20:30:00.000+00:00As I've argued on my own blog, we need to reduce d...As I've argued on my own blog, we need to reduce dramatically the bloated European superstate. All that is needed is a minimal super-governmental apparatus to police a European free trade zone, nothing more. The next Conservative Government must insist on a dramatic recasting of the European enterprise. If that is not forthcoming, we should withhold our financial contribution. Let's see what European President in waiting Merkel thinks of that.trinitylawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07106413502182893622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75099170683832531812007-02-25T20:20:00.000+00:002007-02-25T20:20:00.000+00:00Rob Spear asks "Have we gained any benefit from me...Rob Spear asks "Have we gained any benefit from membership"?<BR/><BR/>I'll answer this differently. If we withdraw we will still have to take on most of the rules through trade agreements (just like the EEA or whatever it is called these days), but we would lose our vote, what remains of our veto, and the ability to marshall the smaller and more free-market oriented countries that recently joined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28187304863639278132007-02-25T20:08:00.000+00:002007-02-25T20:08:00.000+00:00We are been sold down the river yet again thanks t...We are been sold down the river yet again thanks to Bliar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87427741303922975492007-02-25T20:06:00.000+00:002007-02-25T20:06:00.000+00:00Why should we lock ourselves into an organisation ...Why should we lock ourselves into an organisation whose accounts have failed their audit for the last eleven years; an organisation which destroys whistleblowers; an organisation which deeply distrusts its own electorate?<BR/><BR/>On this, as on so many other issues, Blair is simply not to be trusted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21625153617337285062007-02-25T19:22:00.000+00:002007-02-25T19:22:00.000+00:00Leaving the EU might have been considered an "extr...Leaving the EU might have been considered an "extreme position" five years ago, but today a large proportion of the British population support withdrawal. The EU is little more that a sequence of embarrassing failures. Has the UK gained any benefit at all from its membership? At all? Anything? If so, please name it. None of the Europhiles I have asked have been able to come up with anything concrete.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1625479007447354402007-02-25T18:58:00.000+00:002007-02-25T18:58:00.000+00:00A bigger issue is the euro. Within 3 years (possib...A bigger issue is the euro. Within 3 years (possibly sooner) the pound sterling will have been slaughtered on the foreign exchanges and Britain will run for the shelter of the euro, entering at around £1.10 to 1 euro or possibly even 1 to 1. <BR/><BR/>Brown is fully aware of this despite the bullshit he emanates regularly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89846943235643401942007-02-25T17:47:00.000+00:002007-02-25T17:47:00.000+00:00I see now why it is necessary to obliterate UKIP.I see now why it is necessary to obliterate UKIP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61705413271904675172007-02-25T17:11:00.000+00:002007-02-25T17:11:00.000+00:00To anonymous 4:27You are right that we should all ...To anonymous 4:27<BR/><BR/>You are right that we should all vote for parties that put forward policies we support, and argue for those policies we believe in.<BR/><BR/>For me where it goes too far is where a single issue dominates. For instance, if the party advocates an extreme policy like withdrawl, if candidates face a purity test on their EU policy, or if every EU story in the papers causes massively OTT response.<BR/><BR/>If it is more important to have a fiercly anti-EU manifesto than to win, then the conservites will carry on losing, just like the unilateralist labour party in the early 80s. Even in your own terms ("I want what is best for the country") this approach will be a failure, as it will lead to a more EU friendly party giving away more powers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22570407210682916602007-02-25T16:51:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:51:00.000+00:00What about starting a petition over the bloggosphe...What about starting a petition over the bloggosphere to tell Tony Blair what this country thinks on this issue if he decides to bar us on deciding our destiny. He obviously has his eyes on the Blairs becoming king and queen of Europe. Surely he can be stopped before he does any more damageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76899678901886551442007-02-25T16:38:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:38:00.000+00:00is the story a plant, who knows but the 20 who rat...is the story a plant, who knows but the 20 who ratified the teaty met in Portugal teh other to discuss oving ahead, Merkel bollocked them as she wants to do a secret round of soundings before presenting a new treaty/constitution/stich up proposal to ALL members in june.<BR/><BR/>Sure its not kite flying? He knows he will have to make a decision before he goes so might as well get the ground prepared.<BR/><BR/>maybe gordo is testing the water, his greatest achiement was to avoid any decisions on interest rates yet take the credit. he did this by giving responsibility to BOE for setting intersst rates and a movable (by him) targets to hit.<BR/><BR/>maybe he will make law making independent of government, let the EU do it and then have a fall guy ready if it goes pearshaped whilst taking teh credit in the good times. <BR/><BR/>He and the other superflous bodies in westminster could return to the important tasks of lying cheating and stealing.<BR/><BR/>..........yes this is a joke......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-36255191353687525792007-02-25T16:33:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:33:00.000+00:00Voyager has rather mis-stated the position. Treat...Voyager has rather mis-stated the position. Treaties are normally laid before Parliament under the Ponsonby Rule, but not for the purpose of ratification. Ratification is done under the royal prerogative, as it was, for example, with the Treaty of Accession for the UK's membership of the European Communities. The European Communities Act 1972 was needed in order to give legal effect to those consequences of membership that had effect within the UK. <BR/><BR/>There is, though, one exception. Treaties that increase the powers of the European Parliament require statutory authorisation under the terms of the European Assembly Elections Act 1978, s.6. Under what is now Title VIII Art 48 of the Treaty of Amsterdam, national parliaments may also have to give approval before new teaties and treaty amendments are brought into effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61017106253696276112007-02-25T16:27:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:27:00.000+00:00lapsedfinally you hit the nail on the head. I want...lapsed<BR/><BR/>finally you hit the nail on the head. I want what i believe is in the best interests of the UK, not what will simply get one party or myself into power. <BR/><BR/>I can accept that Tory's did many things considered repulsive buy others, some i agree were vile but had to be done, others simply are simply the bleatings of those committed to socialist principles.<BR/><BR/>I would happily discuss politics with Tony Benn but I wouldnt piss on Bliars cabinet if they were alight.<BR/><BR/>We are seeing the results of what happens when a party sells its principles down the river solely to gain power. I will HAVE to oppose the government/the status quo by trying to win the argument not by changing my very strongly held view.<BR/><BR/>I will not vote for Cameron on principle if he does not offer policies i support. I think you may well find a view shared by the 10m ex tory voters who no longer vote for them, the 100,000 of Labour party memebers who have evaporated because they dont like what they see in number 10.<BR/><BR/>I care much more about parliamentary integrity, rule of law, honesty and personal responsibility than I do the EU, immigration, Brussels. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The common ground is to be found in the process of government being seen to be democratic, fair and not riddled with sleaze. I have no time for scum like Archer but at least he paid the price for his crimesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81484377884876296522007-02-25T16:10:00.001+00:002007-02-25T16:10:00.001+00:00Reply to anonymous 4:00I absolutely want a referen...Reply to anonymous 4:00<BR/><BR/>I absolutely want a referendum before any new constitution or giving up the veto.<BR/><BR/>However I don't believe the NOTW story. It's a plant to get either 1) Brown to stand up to Blair (see Neil Craig 2:17), or 2) the Europhobes to show their coloursAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48369360862341387252007-02-25T16:10:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:10:00.000+00:00Oh and just to make it all fair and an even playin...Oh and just to make it all fair and an even playing field I think Germany should get a referendum on the subject. They have never had the chance to vote on membership of a 27 country superstate and as they have the biggest economy (until Russia joins in 15 years time)it is important to know they are fully behind the project. Thats only fair.<BR/><BR/>I do take the point about the story being a plant to stir up the Tory split on teh subject. You are right about us being split on the subject. The members and supporters want out and the political elite want tha staus quo. Something that you wil notice is a common disease among the westminster political movers and shakers.<BR/><BR/>Still their motivation surely wouldnt be as transparently selfish as using EU jobs to place their failed, discredited domestic politicians friends would it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90108184580112591912007-02-25T16:05:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:05:00.000+00:00Anonymous 3:20 proves my point again.As I predicte...Anonymous 3:20 proves my point again.<BR/><BR/>As I predicted, this story gets the Europhobes to call anyone who disagree with them "fuck-wits", and not "true conservatives". You think people like me are the reason the conservatives lost, rather than people like you who repelled millions.<BR/><BR/>So tell me, does the conservative party want votes from true believers only?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74483773613100638422007-02-25T16:03:00.000+00:002007-02-25T16:03:00.000+00:00Anonymous 3:20 - V good!I wonder if Gordon Brown u...Anonymous 3:20 - V good!<BR/><BR/>I wonder if Gordon Brown understands that Blair isn't going? I don't think he does. Blair will only go when he reaches a higher plateau of self-aggrandisement - the "presidency" (unelected) of the EUSSR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com