tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4830539441461037417..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Have Labour Hoisted the White Flag?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80418932145949964082010-04-23T11:01:24.835+01:002010-04-23T11:01:24.835+01:00The Lib Dems are now the enemy that we need to foc...The Lib Dems are now the enemy that we need to focus our guns on. But not directly: people need to understand that if you vote Clegg, you'll get Brown. That's the hard fact of the matter.<br />There's no point going on about how terrible Labour are anymore - they're down to their absolute, core, client vote. We need people to realise that if they want them out, there's no point voting for the Lib Dems because it'll keep Labour in.<br />I just hope we're getting the message right on the doorstep, not droning on about "the socialists" like most of the octogenarian canvasers tend to...<br />P.S. Get this right and we can wipe out the Labour Party for good :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13973041066345139358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90807988423768692642010-04-22T19:09:15.301+01:002010-04-22T19:09:15.301+01:00Eddie - all the detailed polling evidence in fact ...Eddie - all the detailed polling evidence in fact shows that canvassing, leafleting, etc, have no perceptible impact on voting behaviour. It's TV, radio and newspapers that matter.<br /><br />It is particularly true that no Conservative need bother going out for the Party, as paid canvassers are the norm in the Tory Party. In addition, there is no need to give money to the Tories as a supporter, since Lord A will meet all needs.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21069865023761612812010-04-22T14:40:47.020+01:002010-04-22T14:40:47.020+01:00Sorry Iain but I think you made typo - 'Gordon...Sorry Iain but I think you made typo - 'Gordon Brown... he repeats the same, tired old lines...'. I think you meant 'lies'Not a sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14123293202225008273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90062931160593721942010-04-22T14:26:05.699+01:002010-04-22T14:26:05.699+01:00I have been thinking the same myself. It seems th...I have been thinking the same myself. It seems that Labour have resigned themselves to losing... and that is why the Conservatives will win.<br /><br />Labour voters will sense there is no point in voting, and many will stay at home.<br /><br />The Lib Dems, as well as they are performing in the polls, will not transfer that into actual votes in the ballot box. It is one thing to answer a pollster that rings you up, it is another to make the effort to get out and vote.<br /><br />We all know how important troops on the ground, knocking up voters, can be on election day. The Lib Dems will just not have those troops. They have excellent teams in a few seats, but outside of the seats they already hold they lack the resources.<br /><br />That will mean that those people that have never voted Lib Dem before, who suggest that they will vote for Nick Clegg this time, will have to both overcome the apathy and the concern of a hung parliament without anyone geeing them up on election day.<br />Newsnight was in Bournemouth the other day, and it was evident there how the Lib Dems were doing nothing in what should have been a target seat. the troops were all in a neighbouring constituency already held by the Lib Dems. The candidate was eventually found at his Mother in Laws!<br />My guess is that whilst the Lib Dems will do better in this election than last, it will not be by a great margin due to the lack of organisation on the ground. Much of their apparent support in the polls must be flaky.<br />So the Conservatives, with a desire to win, and the support and organisation to muster that support, will, in my view win with an overall majority - despite what the polls currently show.Eddie 180https://www.blogger.com/profile/13431191567949672191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90103775493870497652010-04-22T13:43:58.481+01:002010-04-22T13:43:58.481+01:00@North Briton - Darling said nothing, offered noth...@North Briton - Darling said nothing, offered nothing and wasted an opportunity to at least reduce contempt for the abysmal conduct of his department under his and Brown's watch. <br /><br />Thanks for giving us the laugh of the day though. How exactly can you make such polar comments about the two parties and then accuse Iain of being too tribal to be objective?Evensonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03483071540669512423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32409411855144307092010-04-22T13:26:55.117+01:002010-04-22T13:26:55.117+01:00They've run out of money (including ours).They've run out of money (including ours).RJFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16872699526057398164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17561949034637103592010-04-22T13:02:13.124+01:002010-04-22T13:02:13.124+01:00There's going to be a hung parliament. One pa...There's going to be a hung parliament. One party remains in deep denial about this.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83565607987694466462010-04-22T12:39:18.761+01:002010-04-22T12:39:18.761+01:00You have just gone to ground,
Like a plane strewn ...You have just gone to ground,<br />Like a plane strewn with ash.<br />Come on Gordon, please something,<br />Just a policy rehash?<br />Why not fight back against airlines' caveat emptor,<br />By singeing their greed with your volcanic temper?Pavilionopinionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06317555913793897157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8506036459949183942010-04-22T12:35:57.214+01:002010-04-22T12:35:57.214+01:00North Briton
I was not impressed by Darling. He h...North Briton<br /><br />I was not impressed by Darling. He has not admited that he or his boss have any responsability for the economic mess and he has no more than the other parties a clear strategy to get us out the mess. Or if he does he is not telling us what it is.<br /><br />He is still trying to give the impression that cutting the deficit, the rate at which our debt is growing,( another 23 billion in the last month) is somehow equivalent to actualy cutting the massive debt.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03780087279404010202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81894241933438234992010-04-22T12:22:53.775+01:002010-04-22T12:22:53.775+01:00Darling walked over Cable and Osborne
Which Chanc...<em>Darling walked over Cable and Osborne</em><br /><br />Which Chancellor's debate were you watching? Must have been a different one to me...patentlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00602962323262055007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28397941189979843602010-04-22T12:16:11.575+01:002010-04-22T12:16:11.575+01:00Perhaps it's rope-a-dope!
Cameron is certainl...Perhaps it's rope-a-dope!<br /><br />Cameron is certainly more bloodied than Brown.Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4551920965217675792010-04-22T12:09:04.077+01:002010-04-22T12:09:04.077+01:00What a completely absurd posting. Labour campaigni...What a completely absurd posting. Labour campaigning appears to have continued unabated. Indeed, Darling walked over Cable and Osborne in yesterday's chancellor's debate. <br /><br />I do accept that unlike the Tory party, Labour are not running around panicking, making headless chickens look composed, doing their darnedest to get their press buddies to print the most ridiculous smears against Clegg. The Tory party knows their campaign has been pathetic and they face electoral obscurity for years if they fail to win this election. Subsequently, they are desperate and resorting to scare tactics, like Ken Clarke yesterday.<br /><br />You really let your tribal instincts cloud your judgments.North Briton 45https://www.blogger.com/profile/05803316413646159193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52217681573154774292010-04-22T12:03:34.722+01:002010-04-22T12:03:34.722+01:00Its a Political football
GK - Safe pair of hands ...Its a Political football<br /><br />GK - Safe pair of hands - Alistair Darling<br />Left Back in the bus - Jacqui Smith<br />Right Back out of sight - John Prescott<br />Centre Backer - Lord Ashcroft<br />Sweeper up - Caroline Flint<br /><br />Centre Half-wit - Hilary Benn<br />Defensive bureaucratic minefielder - Herman Van Rumpoy<br />Left Winger - Tony Benn<br />Right Winger - Nick Griffon<br /><br />Second Striker - Arthur Scargill <br />Centre Forehead - David Cameron<br /><br />Sub-normals<br />Balls<br />Byers<br />Hoon<br />Hewitt<br />Brown<br />McNulty<br /><br />Suspended<br />Devine<br />Morley<br />Chaytor<br /><br />Referee - BBC<br />Commentator - Sky Sports<br /><br />If match is a draw after extra time - Labour wins.Bill Quango MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14861116614665461655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50775427727771166592010-04-22T12:03:34.723+01:002010-04-22T12:03:34.723+01:00This is interesting. I predicted before the electi...<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8636779.stm" rel="nofollow">This</a> is interesting. I predicted before the election started that the security services, now totally controlled by the Blair/NewLab culture, are at the disposal of certain forces not entirely distant from Messires Mandleson, Campbell, Brown, etc. Could these thoughts be in any way connected?<br /><br />It isn't the first time that senior opposition politicians have been "broken into" and notes and laptops "removed for private study" during an election campaign.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28467877467896691912010-04-22T12:03:34.724+01:002010-04-22T12:03:34.724+01:00Gordon Brown said this week if he couldn't mak...Gordon Brown said this week if he couldn't make a difference then he would go.<br /><br /> think in the likely event of a hung parliament Gordon Brown would feel unable to stay on as leader of the Labour Party. Brown does have integrity - despite what you say about him. <br /><br />This is why I think it's quite possible to Clegg could actually be PM.<br /><br />I really hope the LibDems get the vote out! I think the public simply do not trust the Tories no matter how much they like DC. The Tories have lost the pink vote and they've lost the female vote... Those votes count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79760549966134220052010-04-22T12:00:28.801+01:002010-04-22T12:00:28.801+01:00Strategic retreat, I suspect.
It suits them very ...Strategic retreat, I suspect.<br /><br />It suits them very well for this election to be about Nick Clegg versus the Tory press rather than about their record. So they might as well keep quiet, look boring but fairly solid. <br /><br />Today could have been about unemployment and borrowing figures. Instead, it's about insane Nazi jibes and #nickcleggsfault.<br /><br />Labour could quite easily be largest party with under 30% of the vote if this rumbles on.James Chardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12462461338641340836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86047589213364431022010-04-22T11:59:21.213+01:002010-04-22T11:59:21.213+01:00I agree. Many of the usual Labour talking heads se...I agree. Many of the usual Labour talking heads seem comatose in their TV appearances. Baldermort was a sort of bizarre self-parody of what a politician about to lose his job sounds like on the radio the other night. I suspect most Labour ministers are too busy thinking about what to do in their future careers to worry about hitting the campaign trail hard for Brown.<br /><br />It must be very, very strange for Gordy, out on his own on the battlebus, wondering what the heck he is doing there. Perhaps though he is consoled by his (apparently) total lack of ability to see how others see him.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.com