tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4803231741396216696..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Carter-Ruck Folds Over Guardian GaggingIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68717891602609036672009-10-17T12:54:51.484+01:002009-10-17T12:54:51.484+01:00Let this be the first victory in a successful camp...Let this be the first victory in a successful campaign to amend our libel laws, to punish Trafigura for their misdeeds, and to bring TNCs generally under the rule of law.DocRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08903964792092284406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65391642108949258772009-10-16T08:10:54.116+01:002009-10-16T08:10:54.116+01:00These people are ruthless bullies. Using bullyboy ...These people are ruthless bullies. Using bullyboy tactics to gag those trying to get the truth out, on behalf of their high paying clients who get make their fortune by suing all and sundry.<br /><br />Carter Ruck are as known to us Sue, Grabbit and runn.<br /><br />Please sign the petition below<br />http://www.thepetitionsite.com/7/freedom-of-expressionSharonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86718849461474421692009-10-15T15:51:15.650+01:002009-10-15T15:51:15.650+01:00May I please point out to all of those who have po...May I please point out to all of those who have posted on here, that for years people have been told not to believe all they read in newspapers!<br /> <br />Can I also point out that if people wish to know the actual truth to the story that so many people are quick to believe, that they log on to the Press Gazette web site and actually read the truth for themselves.<br /> <br />I believe in Democracy, and parliament, but I seem to be the only level headed one not jumping off a bridge without a life rope attached, just to slag off a law firm who has from what I have read about them, for years supported the public against injustice not just newspapers .<br /> <br />I obtained the 'truth' behind the article, not by reading a newspaper, but by researching into the truth before deciding what to make of everything. <br /> <br />As for those who say the 'Judge should be shot....', just remember that the judge did not agree to a gagging order to be placed on a newspaper to stop it publishing parliament. It granted the law firm a gagging order against the Guardian prior to parliament even asking any questions. He/She has not gone against what he/she or the country stand for.<br /> <br />Reading all that has gone on in the papers and on blogs, I have a mind to believe that all England has gone computer crazy. I always thought we stood for 'innocent until proven guilty'. Not condemn everyone before a fair hearing, just because it is what is printed by a newspaper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41354476775236520782009-10-14T14:12:54.176+01:002009-10-14T14:12:54.176+01:00Sorry for wrong ID, Despairing Liberal. I'm c...Sorry for wrong ID, Despairing Liberal. I'm coping with 2 year old son here, without mother around, at aged 55!<br /><br />The Human Rights legislation would not have much bearing if no one even knows what is happening. Once things are sub judice and secret, they can decide things in favour of big business and victims in foreign parts would depend on lack of corruption of judges.<br /><br />Are you really able to trust EU judges not to take bribes or be persuadable behind closed doors. I would prefer the openness of Parliamentary Privilege where the truth can not be hidden whenever a mere MP takes on a cause.<br /><br />The continued existence of a European child sex industry is evidence enough for me that justice does not exist for the vulnerable inside the EU.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71832429926114168462009-10-14T13:01:29.418+01:002009-10-14T13:01:29.418+01:00Surely the solution is for parliament to pass legi...Surely the solution is for parliament to pass legislation prohibiting the courts from injuncting reports of its proceedings. Job done.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32541958182935181762009-10-14T09:44:52.871+01:002009-10-14T09:44:52.871+01:00I agree with you Tapestry and anon about Bercow th...I agree with you Tapestry and anon about Bercow thought - deplorable blinkered nonsense he does talk, as though all that matters is that it is in Hansard and forget if it can be reported? What the f*** is he on??DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-594189993501685102009-10-14T09:43:39.190+01:002009-10-14T09:43:39.190+01:00Tapestry, it wasn't me who told you to calm do...Tapestry, it wasn't me who told you to calm down, that was another poster - I am fine with you making a detailed argument on the Lisbon subject and wasn't attempting to name-call you.<br /><br />I don't personally agree with your points as I think Lisbon would strengthen the human rights agenda which has press freedom as one of the key concepts, so would serve like an external constitution to which UK judges can refer - perhaps that would have happened in this case anyway had it gone to appeal.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12244354168117264502009-10-14T08:55:43.532+01:002009-10-14T08:55:43.532+01:00Bercow is straight wrong.
Parliamentary Privilege...Bercow is straight wrong.<br /><br />Parliamentary Privilege means nothing if the business of Parliament is not reported. It is the whole point of the thing - that the citizens hear what is being said by their Parliament.<br /><br />This is a Constitutional battle between Britain's and with Lisbon. I think we all know whose side Bercow is on,if he makes damn fool statements like this, as he has done.<br /><br />The point is that the ECJ does not recognise the Sovereignty of Parliament. If MPs don't fight to keep what we have it will be overpowered from Brussels.<br /><br />Nick Clegg pretending to ride to the rescue is a farce. It was his blatant treachery which slid Lisbon through without a referendum, despite his manifesto commitment to grant the public a say.<br /><br />No hero, he.<br /><br />Cameron has consistently stated that he believes Lisbon must be given the public's assent. Clegg is a deceitful fraud.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27098090520024056232009-10-14T07:08:28.835+01:002009-10-14T07:08:28.835+01:00Who cares who cares who cares...Who cares who cares who cares...chris brownhttp://www.vacationrentalsad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-32289960607582065382009-10-14T05:08:24.185+01:002009-10-14T05:08:24.185+01:00What's the fuss about? Mr Speaker Bercow says,...What's the fuss about? Mr Speaker Bercow says, accordng to Politics Home, "There is no queston of our own proceedure being in anyway inhibited [by the attempted injunction]." <br /><br />Probably healthier for everyone if the great unwashed don't have a clue about what their elected representatives are doing, isn't it?<br /><br />Cameron's silence on this matter is deplorable. Good for Nick Clegg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87805211922749339092009-10-14T02:56:43.301+01:002009-10-14T02:56:43.301+01:00Despairing Liberal.
the legal points I was making...Despairing Liberal.<br /><br />the legal points I was making seem to get support.<br /><br />calm down? don't be bloody ridiculous.<br /><br />Some crummy judge wishes to put a large dent in Britain's Constitution, and you want me to keep calm?<br /><br />As for Clegg, if you and he cannot see how the Lisbon Treaty smashes the British Constitution to pieces, you and he are dumber than even I thought.<br /><br />We should be the ones despairing of you and dear old Nick Clegg, who thinks his sex life is more important than my liberty.<br /><br />And I don't think I'm clever. <br /><br />To be living through the kind of muddle Britain is in today, makes us all feel decidedly dumb. <br /><br />If this is the best our country can do with the greatest Constitution on earth, which we gave to the world, then our generation can only hang its head.<br /><br />I choose not to be silent. That is all. The pain I feel at what I see is somewhat alleviated by writing in comments such as this or blogging. It is preferable to visiting the doctor for pills.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37041736557490379042009-10-14T02:23:06.837+01:002009-10-14T02:23:06.837+01:00Sandy Jamieson - thank you for a more expert opini...Sandy Jamieson - thank you for a more expert opinion than mine, which refers back to Law studies at Oxford Univ 1972-1975 alongside Blairs! I did not go into the profession.<br /><br />Judges have been recruited for twenty years based on 'suitability' as defined rather than on merit. Many will be rabid europhiles desperate to crush Parliament for their new masters in Brussels.<br /><br />Parliament is staring down the barrel of a judicial gun, and needs to seize control of the situation.<br /><br />The coming battle with the EU to preserve what's left of Parliamentary Sovereignty, will partly be a battle with the judiciary.<br /><br />Maybe the blogosphere and the twittersphere will tilt the balance of influence back in democracy's favour. Let's hope.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69940135069252187382009-10-13T23:05:01.022+01:002009-10-13T23:05:01.022+01:00Tapestry second point is valid although Parliament...Tapestry second point is valid although Parliamentary Sovereignty is not unlimited and hasn't been for a long time- this was established as far back as 1953 in MacCormick v the Lord Advocate where the concept of "irrevocable entrenchment" in certain laws is established. <br /><br />It also can be argued that the 1688 Bill of Rights is a "Fundamental Law" and no Court can override it-only an Act of Parliament can do so- the question is does the 1972 European Union Act over-rule such legislation.<br /><br />The problem now is we have an activist judiciary who seem to be intent on setting new laws and striking out others. The judge who granted the initial injunction as yet unamed seems to be in that mindsetSandy Jamiesonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72942963795730087082009-10-13T22:21:58.404+01:002009-10-13T22:21:58.404+01:00One of the interesting things about this is that i...One of the interesting things about this is that it has united left and right in common revulsion at the outrageous actions of Carter-Ruck and Trafigura. Maybe we can work together on some issues, and get some changes in the libel laws at least.<br /><br />A couple of posts have queried the identity of the judge who agreed the original injunction. Unconfirmed reports (i.e. Wikipedia) suggest it is Mr "Justice" Sweeney. A clerk in his office pretended to know nothing, but he did not deny that it was the Sweeney.<br />http://greenerblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-carter-ruck-and-trafigura.htmlDocRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08903964792092284406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11876017506731036462009-10-13T20:23:15.315+01:002009-10-13T20:23:15.315+01:00Nice to see Tim Bell keeping his hand in eh?Nice to see Tim Bell keeping his hand in eh?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-204864154920664972009-10-13T20:15:56.523+01:002009-10-13T20:15:56.523+01:00At 20:14 C-R's website makes no mention of the...At 20:14 C-R's website makes no mention of their cave-in.<br /><br />Strange that, 'cos it's on Wikipedia.........<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striesand_effectJoe Publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85412798428514151862009-10-13T20:08:59.736+01:002009-10-13T20:08:59.736+01:00Justification of that satirical magazine's nam...Justification of that satirical magazine's name for the legal firm.Joe Publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28175227469811250152009-10-13T20:01:50.297+01:002009-10-13T20:01:50.297+01:00The whole of this story has not yet been told. Wh...The whole of this story has not yet been told. Why did Carter-Ruck's people target <i>only</i> the Guardian and not also other papers, as well as prominent bloggers like yourself and Guido? Is it possible that somebody within the firm acted thus because they knew it would draw attention to toxic waste being dumped off the Ivory Coast by certain parties?Frugal Dougalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459572116047155640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4611808244444412362009-10-13T19:41:00.556+01:002009-10-13T19:41:00.556+01:00Iain, to me it seemed as though the One Show did a...Iain, to me it seemed as though the One Show did a bit of a job on you. They introduced you as someone who believes criminals have no rights at all like some kind of extremist. The BBC has really strayed from the path when they try to paint you as extreme. To some extent the political journalists/producers/editors of the BBC have grudgingly learned some sensitivity toward labelling of right-wing politics and politicians but the rest of the BBC are unremittingly bias especially the One Show that whenever David Cameron comes up for discussion is pejoratively labelled posh and a toff.Dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24744174180934099882009-10-13T19:26:43.273+01:002009-10-13T19:26:43.273+01:00.....someone has to attempt a Limerick using '........someone has to attempt a Limerick using 'Carter Ruck' without resorting to the very real temptation of including expletives. I think I've just about managed it.<br /><br />A solicitor named Carter Ruck<br />Said to his client 'you're in luck'.<br />Your victims can riot<br />But MPs must keep quiet.<br />On Lisbon they'll all have to suck.'Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69931367501098941512009-10-13T19:24:05.572+01:002009-10-13T19:24:05.572+01:00@tapestry I wasn't supporting Nick Clegg perha...@tapestry I wasn't supporting Nick Clegg perhaps you aren't as smart as you think you are.<br /><br />I was condemning our current PM and the heir-apparent who did not think that this was important enough to comment on. Of course did manage to get a soundbite about MP expenses to be reported though. Bully for him, eh?<br /><br />As you for you, I would venture to suggest that you calm down a little. This wasn't some EU conspiracy and Frothing at the mouth can cause damage to your keyboard.Not the silent majoritynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84549471756819078142009-10-13T18:48:07.347+01:002009-10-13T18:48:07.347+01:00Not The Silent Majority
Nick Clegg!!!!!!!!
Don&#...Not The Silent Majority<br /><br />Nick Clegg!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Don't make me laugh.<br /><br />He's the cause of this.<br /><br />By blocking the referendum on Lisbon, which he had promised in his manifesto, he personally executed the British Constitution.<br /><br />The judges now apply the EU Constitution which says nothing about the Sovereignty of The British Parliament, or its conventions such as Parliamentary Privilege.<br /><br />It will be hilarious to see the total idiot now running to the defence of the very institution he has dedicated his life to destroying.Tapestryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267094484651413428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42881242557610809092009-10-13T17:25:08.678+01:002009-10-13T17:25:08.678+01:00Nick Clegg was pretty clear with his opinions, abo...Nick Clegg was pretty clear with his opinions, about this issue, this morning. So what did Cameron and Brown have to say?<br /><br />A resounding silence. So much for national leaders...Not The Silent Majoritynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65883053556825385102009-10-13T17:23:09.613+01:002009-10-13T17:23:09.613+01:00Oh dear, Carter Ruck.
This worldwide humiliation...Oh dear, Carter Ruck. <br /><br />This worldwide humiliation couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch of parasites.<br /><br />They do have some very unpleasant clients on their books, don't they?<br /><br />Perhaps some other gagging orders (and the Judge who granted them) need to have a little internet light shone on them.Justice Eadynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13945211217430483202009-10-13T16:54:24.757+01:002009-10-13T16:54:24.757+01:00Amidst the euphoria the really important point her...Amidst the euphoria the really important point here is being lost<br /><br />Who was the judge who set the Bill of Rights at nought? Which judicial activist thought he was immune to 321yrs of precedent and law?<br /><br />We need his name to drag through the mud. The Commons if it had a spine and wasn't solely concerned with emoluments should arraign him before the High Court of Parliament - pour encourager les autres.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com