tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post4602418344053673797..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Brown Tries Another Pathetic Smear Against CameronIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53570480236344347822007-11-22T19:44:00.000+00:002007-11-22T19:44:00.000+00:00Anonymous said... "Stand by for another uncontroll...Anonymous said... <BR/>"Stand by for another uncontrolled panic in ALL the high street banks when customers who think they are about to be defrauded empty their bank accounts before the fraudsters do."<BR/><BR/>ALL the banks? Where are people going to put their money? Under the matress?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4476624106743796712007-11-22T17:02:00.000+00:002007-11-22T17:02:00.000+00:00It's ironic that all this is happening around the ...It's ironic that all this is happening around the 40th anniversary of the devaluation of the pound.<BR/><BR/>First thing this morning I checked the news headlines on Teletext, as I do before I go to work.<BR/><BR/>ITV was showing as their top story; "Tories renew missing records attack."<BR/>BBC's interpretation was "Government challenges data claims (by the Tories)"<BR/><BR/>Hmm... The Beebs up to its old tricks again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52516582343668292742007-11-22T13:39:00.000+00:002007-11-22T13:39:00.000+00:00Desperate Dan said... "Brown sought to give the im...Desperate Dan said... <BR/>"Brown sought to give the impression that this proved Cameron had concrete plans to make identical staffing/economic cuts as Labour - thereby admitting that staffing cuts had contributed to the problem - and that the same disaster would have ensued."<BR/><BR/>Yes, but how does that amount to blaming Cameron for the data loss?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78210492563184457632007-11-22T13:11:00.000+00:002007-11-22T13:11:00.000+00:00While the sight of the wheels coming off this fasc...While the sight of the wheels coming off this fascist abomination of a government is delightful to behold, the fact that the population seem to think a Cameron-led government will free us from their imperialist police state Bilderberg agenda is so depressing as to make emigration the only viable option. <BR/><BR/>"The Tories will save us!" <BR/><BR/>We're fucked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4459851167831424472007-11-22T12:06:00.000+00:002007-11-22T12:06:00.000+00:00How did he imply that it would be worse under the ...How did he imply that it would be worse under the Tories? As I understood it he quoted from some sort of 4 year old Tory proposal paper that mulled over the possibilities of making unspecified economies.<BR/>Brown sought to give the impression that this proved Cameron had concrete plans to make identical staffing/economic cuts as Labour - thereby admitting that staffing cuts had contributed to the problem - and that the same disaster would have ensued.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40214117721557404572007-11-22T11:51:00.000+00:002007-11-22T11:51:00.000+00:00desperate dan said "He implied that the Tories in ...desperate dan said <BR/>"He implied that the Tories in general and Cameron in particular were personally responsible for the disastrous results of Labour policy."<BR/><BR/>No. He implied that the situation would have been even worse under a Tory government. That is not the same as blaming Cameron or the Tories generally for the current data fiasco.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48556310623243039622007-11-22T11:21:00.000+00:002007-11-22T11:21:00.000+00:00Brown spluttered that if the Tories had voted diff...Brown spluttered that if the Tories had voted differently over something or other, and if Cameron had not himself considered a spot of financial housekeeping at the Inland Revenue, then the whole fiasco would have been avoided. He implied that the Tories in general and Cameron in particular were personally responsible for the disastrous results of Labour policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71453395223162856872007-11-22T11:17:00.000+00:002007-11-22T11:17:00.000+00:00verity said - "The charming part of this saga, tho...verity said - "The charming part of this saga, though, is, it is the welfare scroungers and benefits recipients (in the main) who are threatened by this carelessness - Labour voters."<BR/><BR/>Wrong Verity, it is ALL families with children. The database is for the Child Benefit Agency. Child Benefit is equivalent to the old Family Allowance and the take-up is almost 100%, i.e. including almost all Tory families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54136401750864410542007-11-22T10:43:00.000+00:002007-11-22T10:43:00.000+00:00Which makes it rather strange for him to be accuse...Which makes it rather strange for him to be accused of "blaming" the Conservatives, and even stranger for so-called centre-right bloggers to characterise that as a "pathetic smear". Sounds a bit pre-rehearsed to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8181946289184783472007-11-22T10:39:00.000+00:002007-11-22T10:39:00.000+00:00Brown did say "sorry", that means a lot in Politic...Brown did say "sorry", that means a lot in Politics, but in this case he would be a fool not to openly apologise.JohnofScribbleSheethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00961876790873781952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60845444655841650262007-11-22T10:20:00.000+00:002007-11-22T10:20:00.000+00:00Anonymous -I stand rightly chastised!The leak of J...Anonymous -<BR/>I stand rightly chastised!<BR/><BR/>The leak of John Arne Riise's payslip last monthy revealed that he at least pays PAYe - I though that was the same for all footballers, non-dom's or not. <BR/><BR/>I have a feeling non-dom status re income can apply to non-CLUB playing related income (ie international fees and bonuses), and non-football related income.<BR/><BR/>Still, I firmly believe the deffeat was Brown's fault, and that Carson was distrated by the fact that he's a child-benefit scrounger himself!<BR/><BR/>Looking forward to a World Cup triumph just AFTER the May 2010 election!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33806164423036474502007-11-22T10:12:00.000+00:002007-11-22T10:12:00.000+00:00propertory, please don't encourage her. she's too ...propertory, please don't encourage her. she's too boring. at least it wasn't her usual cut and paste job and she didn't use quaint foreign expressions like calling labour 'socialists'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53143565586522076312007-11-22T10:06:00.000+00:002007-11-22T10:06:00.000+00:00If you want to stitch Brown up right back take a l...If you want to stitch Brown up right back take a look here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=9591" REL="nofollow">http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=9591</A><BR/><BR/>Richard Brooks (The First Post) has figured out how to blame Brown for England's defeat last night.Man in a Shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990902055642035293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56556521356502904092007-11-22T09:48:00.000+00:002007-11-22T09:48:00.000+00:00Furthermore, :"The charming part of this saga, th...Furthermore, :<BR/>"The charming part of this saga, though, is, it is the welfare scroungers and benefits recipients (in the main) who are threatened by this carelessness - Labour voters"<BR/><BR/>Leaving aside the fact that Verity thinks Labour has 25m votes in the bag, perhaps the correct number of eligible voters here is around 10million. Assuming there are childless scrounging Labour voters to add o that figure, then it looks like Verity's money would be on another Labour landslide in 2010!<BR/><BR/>Idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46015671818429542852007-11-22T09:39:00.000+00:002007-11-22T09:39:00.000+00:00Verity wrote :"now the personal details of 25m fam...Verity wrote :<BR/>"now the personal details of 25m families free-floating around Britain. That's 25m worried voters."<BR/><BR/>Now I know for a fact what I've long suspected. Verity has no brain, no insight, no reading comprehension skills.<BR/><BR/>7.25 million families. 25m individuals. <BR/><BR/>If babies have been given the vote in Very Twee's flea-ridden parallel universe, then fine, but when is Iain going to start moderating out lies about the real world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6717927094550971842007-11-22T08:43:00.000+00:002007-11-22T08:43:00.000+00:00Travis Bickle is right, this is all way, way above...Travis Bickle is right, this is all way, way above the intelligence level of the average minister. EDS, who are "delivering" (tee hee) the ID card scheme will be applying maximum contractual and commercial pressure not to drop the scheme. NL ministers appear terribly vulnerable to such commercial considerations for unknown reasons, hence the determination at all costs to proceed. Mere facts such as the total inability to administer such a scheme in a robust manner, as proven by the recent conduct of the Revenue, must not be allowed to intrude on the headlong rush to line the pockets of the big IT consultancies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14628445355530751572007-11-22T08:33:00.000+00:002007-11-22T08:33:00.000+00:00A computer scientist on Newsnight raised a very ke...A computer scientist on Newsnight raised a very key point, that if an individual's biometric data was somehow compromised, or maliciously changed, that individual would not have any access to bank accounts, etc or technically even have an identity. <BR/><BR/>This all clearly went over John Hutton's head, meanwhile we can expect that this particular science (unlike the MMGW mantra) will be brushed aside by these idiots on a mission.Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13014684784171525802007-11-22T08:32:00.000+00:002007-11-22T08:32:00.000+00:00In an earlier posting I wrote about my district ba...In an earlier posting I wrote about my district bank manager telling me that they had not been told to monitor any accounts. As this “manager” is a relative, I called him again last evening and learned the following. The central bank HQ’s are monitoring the accounts at a higher level for `unusual activity’ and this is not being seen at branch level except for fast tracking a customer query. What this means is that any transactions on the accounts which are not `standing orders’ will be flagged and payments possibly delayed while an enquiry is made with the customer as to validity. I can imagine that with Christmas shopping in full swing, there are going to be some embarrassing moments for bank customers at the tills. It’s all going to be terribly inconvenient and maddening. Let’s hope those affected remember that this is the government’s fault and not the banks.<BR/><BR/>On a second point, how is it possible that any personal details can be forwarded from one government department to another? Over here in Austria, the data-protection act does not allow the disclosure of data from the Inland Revenue to the Pensions, Driving Licence Authority etc., or vice-versa. Is this not an EU law?Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11514552884944533524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25906781952452551772007-11-22T08:26:00.000+00:002007-11-22T08:26:00.000+00:00Labour never has and never will have any shame. Th...Labour never has and never will have any shame. They were not fit to govern in the 60s and are not fit to govern now. This time however they have done it without the help of the unions.Johnny Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900659617233793880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39212300020317863232007-11-22T08:16:00.000+00:002007-11-22T08:16:00.000+00:00i'd just like to point out that there are far more...i'd just like to point out that there are far more serious implications than mere bank fraud, with regards to the missing data.<BR/><BR/><BR/>the data is a goldmine for terrorists wanting to create fake ids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53579484857523214582007-11-22T07:53:00.000+00:002007-11-22T07:53:00.000+00:00The story already seems to be slipping down the ne...The story already seems to be slipping down the news agenda this morning. Pathetically, the BBC just rehash the government's lies and Tory statements contradicting them as if the whole thing is just a routine political debate, rather than what it is - blatant lies and misconduct by the government.<BR/><BR/>We need to know -:<BR/><BR/>1/ Why was data being routinely trafficked like this by the HMRC and is it still?<BR/><BR/>2/ Why do lower-level civil servants and assistant-director level civil servants have the apparent right to either deliberately or just in error download vast numbers of bank accounts and send them in the post to other bodies?<BR/><BR/>3/ Why did the HMRC and the responsible department senior civil servants and minister hang on to the news about this appalling breach for weeks before releasing news of it?<BR/><BR/>4/ Why do government agencies flagrantly breach data protection rules in this way?<BR/><BR/>5/ Which civil servants have been sacked that might have been helpful in this situation?<BR/><BR/>6/ Who exactly approved the data transfer, how many times has it been done before and what other bodies other than the NAO have recieved such data in the past and by what methods?<BR/><BR/>Well done incidentally to the MI5 operatives and New Labour insiders manipulating the news agenda from within the BBC. A sterling job!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41547670025465088732007-11-22T04:12:00.000+00:002007-11-22T04:12:00.000+00:00Surely it's a conspiracy to convince us that we al...Surely it's a conspiracy to convince us that we all need biometric ID cards now that our bank details are public? Apparently the Yanks are well keen on us all having them and the Germans are pushing ahead. Maybe this is the kick in the butt they think us Brits need?<BR/><BR/>Or have I just drank too much again?Steven_Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05029437876479574883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44579837333358531252007-11-22T01:23:00.000+00:002007-11-22T01:23:00.000+00:00[11:45] - Who is this curiously interesting Nick P...[11:45] - Who is this curiously interesting Nick Palmer?<BR/><BR/>"... votes for illegal wars...". Could you tell us, [11:45], what an "illegal" war is? I believe the war in Iraq was voted for in the House of Commons, which is jam packed with elected representatives of the British people? Am I wrong here?<BR/><BR/>"... torture flights" ...I don't think I would condemn BA that strongly, although I certainly stopped flying them around six years ago due to an aversion to thought fascist bossy flight attendants ...<BR/><BR/>"and loves cats." Is he married? <BR/><BR/>November 21, 2007 11:45 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91260013526853790792007-11-21T23:47:00.000+00:002007-11-21T23:47:00.000+00:00Alistair Darling has been caught lying to Parliame...Alistair Darling has been caught lying to Parliament as bankers deny his claim that he delayed his announcement at their request: <BR/><BR/>"Last night bankers reacted angrily to a suggestion by Mr Darling that he had delayed his announcement because the financial sector was “adamant” it needed time to prepare. A senior City source said: “By 9.30 on Monday we were ready to run. It is hard to fathom why any suggestion was made that any delay was down to us.” <BR/><BR/>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2912937.ece?token=null&offset=24Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17053774490737171552007-11-21T23:45:00.000+00:002007-11-21T23:45:00.000+00:00nick palmer...what a great chap.votes for illegal ...nick palmer...what a great chap.<BR/><BR/>votes for illegal wars, torture flights and loves cats. shameless twatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com