tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3938602623546937772..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Britain Must be Ready for Further AttacksIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4569907229188189442007-07-02T15:16:00.000+01:002007-07-02T15:16:00.000+01:00Anonymous 8:14- Why do you draw a parallel between...Anonymous 8:14- Why do you draw a parallel between Jews and islamics? This is curious, to say the least as the two religions have absolutely nothing in common.<BR/><BR/>For starters, the Jews don't think they have a mission to force everyone in the world, at the point of a sword or a bomb, to become Jewish. In fact, they actively discourage converts. They are the least proselytising religion on the planet. <BR/><BR/>They have advanced the human race through their contributions to science, medicine, music, literature and all the humanities, such as funding museums and art galleries.<BR/><BR/>Explain, if you can, why you draw a comparison with primitive members of a warrior cult who destroy art, wreck statues, who have no literary tradition, who have never invented anything in their long history (no; they didn't invent zero; the Indians did and the concept passed through the Middle East as it travelled to the West); they have no art - except some nice Persian miniatures, but that isn't much of a corpus of work to show for hundreds of years, and even then, that's the Iranians, who are smarter; whose history comprises nothing but bullying and conquest. They don't even have any literature. Their "religion" (sic) allows them to marry up to four women, for breeding warriors; women have to be kept hidden away - in the house or only allowed out in voluminous bin liners, accompanied by a male, even if it's only a little boy - for some bizarre reason that the rest of the entire human race has never been able to figure out and their boss married a little girl of six. He was 53 at the time. In the West, even at the time, such an interest in a child would have draw the strongest possible - i.e., incarceration - disapproval.<BR/><BR/>Finally, the islamics don't believe you have a soul. You are doomed to hell unless you accept their bonkers cult. They believe the entire human race was born islamic and you chose to opt out, thus becoming an apostate at birth! Apostates attract the death penalty. You can only regain your human status by "rejoining islam". That is why converts are never referred to as converts in islam. They are called "reverts".<BR/><BR/>How dare you suggest that I "substitute Jews for islamics"? What's worse, I don't think you even had any intention to insult Judaism. It's just that you are a poorly informed, ill-educated, provincial, rather silly individual.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10138339919469128872007-07-02T12:15:00.000+01:002007-07-02T12:15:00.000+01:00"verity said... David Lindsay, you say: Segregatio..."verity said... <BR/><BR/>David Lindsay, you say: Segregation of the sexes has been and is practised perfectly normally within Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism alike, for a variety of reasons, and without anything to do with Islam. <BR/><BR/>Prove it. I say, in Christianity, never."<BR/><BR/>As I said: not a clue. Interesting that "she" finds nothing to disagree with in any of the rest of my post, including "her" outing as in fact a pubescent boy.<BR/><BR/>"Shoevl them out" to where, when they're not immigrants, or even the children or grandchildren of immigrants?<BR/><BR/>But I promised not to respond, didn't I?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70920830420550657302007-07-02T09:49:00.000+01:002007-07-02T09:49:00.000+01:00On BBC's "Breakfast Prog'" today, Melanie Phillips...On BBC's "Breakfast Prog'" today, Melanie Phillips pragmatically articulated what needs to be done to fight/challenge the Islamic Fundamentalists mindsets. The Asian guest agreed with heron most issues.<BR/>Commonness! but will the Government listen?Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01105597029618542257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71078937756508348262007-07-02T08:36:00.000+01:002007-07-02T08:36:00.000+01:00The thing is, after his rubber-stamping of the ill...The thing is, after his rubber-stamping of the illegal Iraq invasion, "Lord" Goldsmith has more blood on his hands than all of the terrorists in this country put together, and I don't believe he's a Muslim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31138793340687758932007-07-02T08:14:00.000+01:002007-07-02T08:14:00.000+01:00Verity, you're a fascist. Substiture Jews for Mus...Verity, you're a fascist. Substiture Jews for Muslims and you're all set.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48104752659353324682007-07-02T01:10:00.000+01:002007-07-02T01:10:00.000+01:00David Lindsay, you say: Segregation of the sexes ...David Lindsay, you say: <I>Segregation of the sexes has been and is practised perfectly normally within Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism alike, for a variety of reasons, and without anything to do with Islam. </I><BR/><BR/>Prove it. I say, in Christianity, never.<BR/><BR/>The rest of you post is interesting, well-reasoned and well-informed. I find nothing to disagree with.<BR/><BR/>Muslims in our countries are not 'immigrants' but miltants behind the enemy lines.<BR/><BR/>So, shovel them out with much vigour. Blair arranged that they should flood in. Now they should flood out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65891953403130399912007-07-02T00:36:00.000+01:002007-07-02T00:36:00.000+01:00Oh, just don't answer Verity, who knows nothing ab...Oh, just don't answer Verity, who knows nothing about anything.<BR/><BR/>Segregation of the sexes has been and is practised perfectly normally within Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism alike, for a variety of reasons, and without anything to do with Islam. I'm not saying that that's a good thing or a bad thing. But it is a fact.<BR/><BR/>"Romanian Orthodoxy is influenced by Islam"? I ask you! And don't bother replying, Verity, because I'm not going to engage. The grown ups have matters to discuss.<BR/><BR/>For, a while ago, I accused Verity of being either a pub bore or a pubescent boy, if not both. "She" denied being a pub bore, saying that "she" had been in a pub only a handful of times in "her" life. However, "she" passed no comment about being a pubescent boy (and thus, presumably, unable to gain admission to, or at least service in, a pub).<BR/><BR/>Read over any of "her" effusions, and it all makes sense. And no, dear boy, you needn't bother answering that, either. You stand exposed. Not a happy way for a pubescent boy to stand.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, to business. Those "suspects" don't look very Pakistani to me. They look decidedly White British. And why not? For there is, of course, an Islamic threat to Europe, but it is the threat that people disgusted with the complete collapse of all moral standards in the personal, social and economic spheres, and left helpless by the closely connected, almost total loss of collective cultural memory, will convert to Islam in droves. The first signs of this are already upon us, closely resembling the early stages of the past Islamisation of various other parts of the world.<BR/><BR/>We should be worrying about that, the real Islamic threat: we should be restoring our personal, social and economic moral standards by rediscovering our collective cultural memory. Unless, that is, we want rich men to be allowed to have four wives (and to make a point of it, as a status symbol), we want women to go around shrouded and flapping about like giant bats, we want to cut off thieves' hands, and so on.<BR/><BR/>Look at the mosques full of disaffected young men in Afro-Caribbean areas, and at the flourishing Student Islamic Societies full of white, middle-class, deep-thinking, and often female seekers after something more than our own dominant decadence and hedonism. And who can blame them? Grinding poverty, chronic ill health with nothing really done about it even though our society could easily afford to do something, collapsing educational standards, war after war after war, further money to be wasted on obscene nuclear weapons, drugs, drunkenness (I'm no teetotaller, but that's not the same thing at all), sexual promiscuity, pornography in newsagents (they're made to have it by the distributors), a nation of gambling addicts, and on, and on, and on. All these things (and many, many more) are obviously connected.<BR/><BR/>So there will be an Islamic Europe probably by 2100, and certainly by 2150, unless we turn away from our own social and economic irresponsibility, which we can only do by rediscovering the things that we had to give up in order to turn that way in the first place. Otherwise, more and more disaffected youths and deep-thinking young (often female) intellectuals will turn to Islam.<BR/><BR/>In comparable ways did many another country begin to be Islamised. Who'd have thought that present-day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and much of Northern India could be Islamised? Who'd have thought that much of black Africa could be Islamised (very much an ongoing process)? Who'd have thought that Central Asia and much of western China could be Islamised? Who'd even have thought that much of the Levant could be Islamised? No one, once upon a time. But how did it happen? And how quickly?<BR/><BR/>Imagine if only the White British Muslim population (already well over sixty thousand) grew by an improbably small fifty per cent every ten years: by 2100, there would be over a million of them. Now imagine that it grew by a possibly over-large, but nevertheless much more realistic, one hundred per cent every ten years: by 2100, there would be nearly 23 million of them.<BR/><BR/>The truth is somewhere in the middle, but much closer to the latter figure than to the former given both the rapidly rising rate of conversions, and the birth rate to converts (including the all but legalised practice of polygamy: the benefit system now pays out specifically for polygamous partners). Yet that's just the White British section of British Muslims, a small minority of the total.<BR/><BR/>And then consider that the "mainstream" birth rate has now been well below replacement level for two generations, with no sign that this trend is ever going to be reversed. Comparable patterns are observable, and indeed well-documented, right across Europe. Who needs to blow up airports? Eurabia, and Amerabia (well on the way), here we come!<BR/><BR/>We can stop it. But will we?<BR/><BR/>All Muslims are missionaries, in the way that all Christians are supposed to be missionaries. And the former are proving very effective missionaries in Britain and Europe at present. They expect some White Britons and their equivalents elsewhere to convert, and that is indeed happening with some rapidity.<BR/><BR/>But mostly, like everyone else, they just expect those population groups to all but die out during the twenty-first century, leaving few people except Muslims in Western Europe, all without anyone's having needed to be either converted or killed. That, too, is well under way.<BR/><BR/>Criticising or mocking Islam would already be illegal if Hilary Armstrong hadn't mistakenly sent Tony Blair home that night. Ten years ago, would you have believed that? Or that well over sixty thousand Muslims (and rising rapidly) would be classified as White British?<BR/><BR/>Consider that rate of growth by conversion, as well as Muslims' much higher birth rate than (currently) mainstream Western Europeans', including the widespread semi-clandestine practice of polygamy. How many do you think that there will be in another ten years? Or twenty? Or thirty? Or forty? But such is in keeping with the global history of Islam.<BR/><BR/>And consider the Danish cartoon row. Did you know that there were Muslims in Denmark? There was never a Danish Empire, so where did they come from? Yet they are there, and they are certainly making their presence felt, as Muslims are throughout North-West Eurabia. Get used to it.<BR/><BR/>Or do something about it.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43293436909189956482007-07-02T00:29:00.000+01:002007-07-02T00:29:00.000+01:00Welcome back, Judith! - whose clarity of thought, ...Welcome back, Judith! - whose clarity of thought, and whose knowledge of islam, can serve to inform.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the passé "hearts and minds" meme is not only outdated, but could never have applied to islam, even when it was fresh. Nor can "eliminating poverty".<BR/><BR/>That's not the point. <BR/><BR/>Conquest is the point - by the sword on the back of the neck, the gun or the bomb, if that's what it takes. <BR/><BR/>Also, Iraq's not the issue - other than that they don't want a democratic pluralistic society in the ME. Those jihadis at Glasgow Airport were just two stupid little self-glorifiers. (Special thanks to the taxi driver - ex-military - who had just dropped passengers off, witnessed the event and ran inside the terminal to help. He encountered the jihadi who was staggering around seriously on fire, and went over and hit him! This is the correct procedure. <BR/><BR/>We, the owners of the country are in charge; not you. <BR/><BR/>This taxi driver, after felling Mr On-Fire Guy,immediately got other male passengers to help him shepherd people away, in case the car exploded. <BR/><BR/>Everyone seems to have thought the burning jihadi was toast.<BR/><BR/>Apparently he's in intensive care in a British hospital being paid for out of the salaries of the British people whose society he tried to destroy.<BR/><BR/>Why?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16167394092971088432007-07-01T23:26:00.000+01:002007-07-01T23:26:00.000+01:00Have just come home to discover I am being accused...Have just come home to discover I am being accused of condoning Islamic violence in the UK! Wow, as misreadings go, that's a cracker.<BR/><BR/>It's late, but let's try a brief explanation of my view: <BR/><BR/>Islam (not unlike other religions) has a history of extreme internecine violence. Unlike other religions, the Ismaili sect, via the Assassins, took the route of killing individuals rather than routinely slaying every member of an enemy sect (please excuse simplification here - I'm covering 300 yrs in a few paras). Generally, the slaying was done solely for religious motives, not as a cover for gaining material power, and it was done extremely skillfully.<BR/><BR/>My point in explaining this is to suggest that 'winning hearts and minds' or 'eliminating poverty and unemployment in disaffected Muslim areas' will solve the problem displays massive ignorance.<BR/><BR/>Bin Laden doesn't commit terrorist offences because he's poor or unloved - he comes from a very wealthy Saudi family. He is a Wahabi fanatic, and all the diplomacy in the world will not sway him or his lunatic followers and imitators that he is wrong.<BR/><BR/>The problem, dare I opine, is not so much with religion, as with allowing religious believers to think they are more important than the rest of us, and that they should therefore be treated with 'respect'.<BR/><BR/>And now it is late, and I'm going to bed, and we can have this argument tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow ......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20289849053214555302007-07-01T23:11:00.000+01:002007-07-01T23:11:00.000+01:00Tory Boys Never Grow up - I didn't answer your arg...Tory Boys Never Grow up - I didn't answer your arguments about Jewish worship because I'm not Jewish and would not be so impertinent as to take up the gauntlet on their behalf and go thrashing around in an area I know nothing about.<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to rehearse the arguments again and this discussion is indeed closed. But your trying to equate the weird and short-lived sect of Shakers with mainstream Christianity in order to justify your assertion that Christian churches also segregated the sexes "in the not too distant past" gave me a clue. <I>S-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g</I> it signals desperation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17977725400526953462007-07-01T23:00:00.000+01:002007-07-01T23:00:00.000+01:00Verity Anyone who wants to can go and read what yo...Verity <BR/><BR/>Anyone who wants to can go and read what you and I said - I never made any claim about English churches and you never made any reference to England in your arguments. The Orthodox Church is part of the "broad formal Christian church" whether you like it or not. You also avoided my point that other religions e.g Judaism - segregate sexes - despite you doubting that this happened. I never at any point tried to say that there was equivalence between Islam or other religions in that practice - my point was that most religions have undertaken bigoted practice at some time so intolerance of all believers in a particular religion is unlikely to improve matters.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The point about the Shakers is because I've seen former Shaker villages with my own eyes - together with segregation in the Orthodox church in Russia. I didn't need to research that. I try to avoid making assertions unless I know them to be true (although I will admit my memory can fail me - and sometimes what I say will prove not to be the whole truth) - I suggest you try the same sometimes.<BR/><BR/>Quite frankly - I don't know the religion of all of my relatives - but I'm not aware of any Moslems - although I do have Moslem friends (and I know bigots will say that they cannot have friends who are not Moslem - but perhaps they can keep their opinions to themselves). <BR/><BR/>Perhaps before you start criticising people you should have the grace to read what they and yourself have said in the past - bigot is as bigot does. <BR/><BR/>I haven't a clue what taqyya means - and I don't know who you were talking to on UK Commentators whatever that is.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to be evasive (I don't think that I'm the type that avoids an argument) - but unless you've anything constructive to add, I suspect this debate has reached its natural end.tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44045635242549576892007-07-01T22:01:00.000+01:002007-07-01T22:01:00.000+01:00Clearly, when I asked you to name one church where...Clearly, when I asked you to name one church where women and men had to pray separately, when you made this extraordinary claim, I meant in Britain or Western Europe. Who knows the type of Christianity - probably influenced by islam - they employ in Romania, for God's sake! Obviously, I was talking about our society, enlightened, Christian, Western Europe - not some dingbat country in the east.<BR/><BR/>Knowing I was referring to Britain, you certainly had to go a long way to try to prove your point! You said there were churches in England where the women had had to pray in separate chapels and that these chapels exist even today. I challenged you to name one such, and you came back with something from Romania? <BR/><BR/>Also, the first example you gave, when challenged, was the weird 19thC American sect, the Shakers, who died out in around 1880 You used a briefly-lived American sect far, far from mainstream Christianity in pioneer times to represent enlightened Christianity. Why not mention Jim Jones and Guyana to prove that Kool-Aid has Christian religious significance?<BR/><BR/>This tells me you don't know what you're talking about. You said it took you only 10 minutes of research to come up with Romania. You had to research it? You made your assertion without even knowing if you could turn up an example?<BR/><BR/>I was referring to England and you knew that.<BR/><BR/>The word 'bigot' comes from Old French and was an insult the French applied to the Normans. I'll take Partridge over Wikipedia, thanks. <BR/><BR/>"Most" of your ancestors were CofE or Methodist. What were the others?<BR/><BR/>Sorry. You're evasive and your arguments are sidling and not straightforward. Sounds like taqyya to me and I still think you're a muslim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73141955819802113962007-07-01T21:15:00.000+01:002007-07-01T21:15:00.000+01:00Perhaps before you make accusations that I did not...Perhaps before you make accusations that I did not reply to your requests you should check the thread concerned - where else should I reply? BTW the reply was made within 3 hours of your post and after c10 minutes of research!<BR/><BR/>Also if you had the good grace to read the original thread - my claims were never made about "enlightened Western European Christianity" or "British churches". Perhaps another apology is now due for misquoting me! <BR/><BR/>I do find it interesting however that you now appear to be distinguishing between enlightened and unenlightened brands of Christianity - but you continually fail to acknowledge that any such split in Islam may be possible. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm in the Christopher Hitchens camp when it comes to religion and how we should deal with Islamofascism - but as I said before the correct response to fascism is something else other than fascism.<BR/><BR/>And whatever you may say I'm not a Moslem - most of ancestors going back 200+ years have been CofE or methodist and I've lived in this country for most of my live - although I have had spells abroad.<BR/><BR/>BTW - perhaps while you are thinking of apologising you might find the attached definition of a bigot (from Wikipedia) interesting? Seems quite apt - obviously an enlightened Western Christian concept!<BR/><BR/>"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.<BR/><BR/>The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false."tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71145205743358785242007-07-01T20:05:00.000+01:002007-07-01T20:05:00.000+01:00I didn't see your link; I never went back to that ...I didn't see your link; I never went back to that thread. But you argued that enlightened Western European Christianity had at one time banned women from worshipping with men, and even had separate areas of churches where they were allowed to worship. <BR/><BR/>This was, and still is, balderdash.<BR/><BR/>You must have had a long,feverish search to finally turn up some god-foresaken area in Eastern Europe - an area influenced, leave us not forget, by islam - where women are second class human beings. <BR/><BR/>I recall that you said there were churches in Britain where there were special chapels where women had to worship! When I said 'name one', you couldn't. You had to go all the way to bizarre Romania in Eastern Europe!<BR/><BR/>Also,from the way you argued at UK Commentators, I still think you are a muslim. You may have been born here, but you are curiously un-<I>au fait</I> with British history and British traditions and British religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26453938415008246442007-07-01T19:25:00.000+01:002007-07-01T19:25:00.000+01:00Verity So as to aid your apology the post can be f...Verity <BR/><BR/>So as to aid your apology the post can be found at http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/05/dave-goes-to-birmingham.htmltory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78091453988004945412007-07-01T19:19:00.000+01:002007-07-01T19:19:00.000+01:00VerityI am not a Muslim - I replied to your questi...Verity<BR/><BR/>I am not a Muslim - I replied to your question about segregated churches in Christian churches on the thread at the time (i even gave you a link to a picture of a Romanian othodox church where it stills happen)- go back and have a look and then apologise!tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56392420466141600742007-07-01T19:14:00.000+01:002007-07-01T19:14:00.000+01:00anonymous 6:19 - I thought WWII was to keep Britai...anonymous 6:19 - I thought WWII was to keep Britain free, but if you believe differently, that is your privilege.<BR/><BR/>The British government has tried to lull the British into a false sense of security regarding islam. It is a dangerous, intolerant, vicious belief system and it has been allowed to put down roots in Britain.<BR/><BR/>There needs to be an almighty upheaval in public attitudes - by which I mean, our politicians, especially those who are dependent on islamic "postal voting" for their sinecures must stop referring to islam as "a religion of peace". It is not. Were it so, we would get imams and "community leaders" condemning, but they don't. They are, in fact, curiously quiet. <BR/><BR/>And they should stop referring to it as a religion and start referring to it as a "belief system".<BR/><BR/>They should stop referring to this garbage about "the Ibrahimic tradition". It is not. This warrior cult has no connection to Judaism or Christianity. They do believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet, but they believe as a prophet for islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30165748962983464152007-07-01T18:19:00.000+01:002007-07-01T18:19:00.000+01:00Verity, I'm afraid I'm not prepared to take lesson...Verity, I'm afraid I'm not prepared to take lessons from you on what my forebears died for.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25177881288527308732007-07-01T17:55:00.000+01:002007-07-01T17:55:00.000+01:00Anonymous 5:42 - Those members of your family who ...Anonymous 5:42 - Those members of your family who died in the war (God rest their souls) died to keep Britain free - and that also includes freedom of religion.<BR/><BR/>You must understand that islam does not tolerate freedom of religion, and that this belief system regard anyone who doesn't acknowledge their allah as a non-human with a non-soul. The islamofascists are as dangerous as the original fascists whom your forebears fought to keep out of Britain. Indeed, in some respects, they're more dangerous, because they are here among us.<BR/><BR/>Gengis Pinko - That is not what Judith is saying at all. She is no friend of islam. But she is more than capable of speaking for herself and doesn't need me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-71102128100432490982007-07-01T17:42:00.000+01:002007-07-01T17:42:00.000+01:00"The Jewish faith is part of our society. Live wit..."The Jewish faith is part of our society. Live with it or go and live in exciting, creative, ultra modern Pakistan."<BR/><BR/>Thank you, but since I have relatives who died in both world wars, I think I have the right to live here rather than Pakistan.<BR/><BR/>Do you actually have any relatives who have died serving this country, and as a matter of interest what have you done for Britain, apart from going to live in Mexico?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86198538823473004132007-07-01T17:23:00.000+01:002007-07-01T17:23:00.000+01:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5-jIfOBjQFormer C...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5-jIfOBjQ<BR/><BR/>Former CIA officer putting the Tiger Tiger non-bomb into perspective.<BR/><BR/>'(Larry) what happens if you actually manage to spark this device?'<BR/><BR/>'It's going to do a lot of damage to the interior of the Mercedes'.<BR/><BR/>Quite.<BR/><BR/>So not '100s could have been killed and injured' as my (and everyone else's) paper had it.<BR/><BR/>'You wouldn't want to be in the car when it happenened but if somebody was within 20 or 30 feet of it they would have ear damage and not much more'<BR/><BR/>And not as John Stevens suggested 'The tactics of Baghdad or Bali'.<BR/><BR/>It is absolutely shocking to me how much our new spin-free government has hyped this up along with the media. Even I, who know nothing about explosives, could see that the nails and sundry shrapnel, rather than causing 'carnage' would just have sat where they were if the gasca nisters had gone up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45890467937994349552007-07-01T17:19:00.000+01:002007-07-01T17:19:00.000+01:00Judith, your remarks are effectively 'approval' fo...Judith, your remarks are effectively 'approval' for what Muslim extremists are doing in our country.<BR/><BR/>We all know the history, we all know what went on. The devil is NOT in the detail.<BR/><BR/>How could you possibly imply that because of previous historical events, Muslims in the UK are to be absolved from criminal offences of the most heinous kind in the UK today ? IS that what you are saying ? It seems to me you are.<BR/><BR/>And in case you were wondering, Osama Bin Laden could have won a world publicity coup had he admitted the 9/11 attacks were related to the perceived injustice in Palestine and the Israeli takeover of that land. <BR/><BR/>But that was not his bag. It was hatred of the West and Christianity which was.<BR/><BR/>What is then you are saying ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21352945671450932902007-07-01T17:06:00.000+01:002007-07-01T17:06:00.000+01:00Yes, Verity, 'tis I, the REAL Judith! I'm certain...Yes, Verity, 'tis I, the REAL Judith! I'm certainly no expert, but I've been making it my business to read about Islam and its history over the past few years, just as I have read about the history of Christianity and Judaism for many decades.<BR/><BR/>I keep wishing that instead of jumping to facile conclusions, everyone, but especially politicians, could look at the bigger picture and historical precedents - sorry about the cliches!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76436833560436551342007-07-01T16:20:00.000+01:002007-07-01T16:20:00.000+01:00Have read all these comments, and agree with many ...Have read all these comments, and agree with many of them, particularly about property rights being abrogated for those who are married to terrorists (think about it).<BR/><BR/>I just have one question.<BR/><BR/>Which Muslim Immams or organisations deplored the latest attempted terrorists attacks ?<BR/><BR/>Interesting, that......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74235572947276522062007-07-01T15:57:00.000+01:002007-07-01T15:57:00.000+01:00Anonymous 3:47 - Why? Given what the Jews have co...Anonymous 3:47 - Why? Given what the Jews have contributed to Britain and the world in the way of the arts, medicine, the sciences and charitable activities like funding museums, how on earth can you try to draw an equivalency with a culture that worships ignorance and applauds violence against a host culture?<BR/><BR/>Your statement is beyond absurd.<BR/><BR/>The Jewish faith is part of our society. Live with it or go and live in exciting, creative, ultra modern Pakistan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com