tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3841750151331484896..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: The Euro & the People That "Matter"Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74914553033163829272008-12-01T16:22:00.000+00:002008-12-01T16:22:00.000+00:00As I wrote a few days ago (http://charlescrawford....As I wrote a few days ago (http://charlescrawford.biz/blog.php?single=663) :<BR/><BR/>"Earlier this week I heard a senior pro-EU UK politician cheerily say that one beneficial outcome of the current financial crisis might be the UK heading for the security of the Eurozone in a few years' time: 'Europe as refuge'.<BR/><BR/>What a vision.<BR/><BR/>That after centuries of successfully mastering our own destiny we would now proclaim ourselves so utterly unfit to do so that we slump into the clammily tight collectivist post-democratic embrace of a currency space itself run to dubious technical standards?<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Maybe another, very different scenario will unfold.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>After a few more years of this sort of thing, maybe we'll get so infuriated by the fact that so much UK money is wasted by EU processes at a time when our economy is reeling that we set in motion a plan to leave the EU altogether?<BR/><BR/>If hitherto impregnable financial empires are now wobbling and crashing, why not the CAP? And our willingness to fund it?"Charles Crawfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683347936698720341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47221797464536831792008-12-01T15:35:00.000+00:002008-12-01T15:35:00.000+00:00AFAICT the only "person"* that matters, it seems, ...AFAICT the only "person"* that matters, it seems, is Mandelson. The Town Clerk of Britain, Gordon Brown, is now a side show exhibit and the Cabinet the fleas upon his back.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>* I use the term loosely.Roger Thornhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591327286533118901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77905937731980767482008-12-01T14:44:00.000+00:002008-12-01T14:44:00.000+00:00Who are "The People Who Matter"? While one of them...Who are "The People Who Matter"? <BR/><BR/>While one of them is Gordon Brown, then we will never join the Euro.<BR/><BR/>For that matter, if one of them were Vince Cable, then we would never join the Euro.<BR/><BR/>But if one of them were Michael Heseltine's mini-me, and another were his mini-me, then we would already be in the Euro. And in a far worse mess than we already are.<BR/><BR/>Don't let it happen.<BR/><BR/>You Tories, you still have next year to find someone else.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24642025656143379032008-12-01T14:25:00.000+00:002008-12-01T14:25:00.000+00:00As the BBC reports it:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/u...As the BBC reports it:<BR/><BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7757830.stm<BR/><BR/><BR/>The leader of the UK Independence Party, Nigel Farage, said "the people who matter in Britain are the people, not the professional political class that Barroso is himself a member of".<BR/><BR/>"That ruling elite would love to bounce us into the euro and will grasp at any straw to do so, for it's a step on the way to their dream and our nightmare, a federal superstate.<BR/><BR/>"We're told that some British politicians have said 'If we had the euro, we would have been better off'. Whoever these people are we need to hunt them down and explain some simple economics to them."<BR/><BR/>He added that if Mr Barroso wanted to test the mood in Britain "then he can call for a referendum on both the euro and the Lisbon Treaty so that the people of Britain can tell him where to go".<BR/><BR/><BR/>:-)Tim Worstallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13161727860817121071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8748082953885649702008-12-01T13:58:00.000+00:002008-12-01T13:58:00.000+00:00Go €uro!!Go €uro!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14106405909275151119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23264988972575372342008-12-01T13:52:00.000+00:002008-12-01T13:52:00.000+00:00So who are these "people who matter"?. May I sugge...So who are these "people who matter"?. May I suggest that this question is an upside down view of the issue. The real question that should be posed is 'Who then are the people who do NOT matter?'. The answer to this question will in my opinion prove to be far more enlightening.Jobtwenteewun1to3https://www.blogger.com/profile/13574164537683060715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47964191397147683422008-12-01T13:00:00.000+00:002008-12-01T13:00:00.000+00:00Of course Gordon Brown has dropped hints to Boross...Of course Gordon Brown has dropped hints to Borosso that we might join the Euro - how do you think he managed to muscle in on that meeting of Euro members, on his "save the world" tour.<BR/><BR/>Whether he will carry through though is a different matter. It was a negotiating chip to get him a seat at the table - no more.<BR/><BR/>It might well be that h has turned cold now, and so Borrosso is putting the heat under him.Eddie 180https://www.blogger.com/profile/13431191567949672191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52249093610370686732008-12-01T12:59:00.000+00:002008-12-01T12:59:00.000+00:00I thought that ALL parties were absolutely committ...I thought that ALL parties were absolutely committed to a referendum on joining the Euro?<BR/><BR/>This could be another bombshell about to explode in Brown's face..I am sure it is in the Labour Party Manifesto (But that does not matter of course according to that counsel they employed)<BR/><BR/>Can anyone confirm?strapworldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18228784526399929300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-41553475202815936812008-12-01T12:45:00.000+00:002008-12-01T12:45:00.000+00:00Tom at 12:09,Absolute claptrap. You've linked to a...Tom at 12:09,<BR/><BR/>Absolute claptrap. You've linked to a UKIP video of Christopher Beazley MEP, which claims his views are representative of the Conservative Party and therefore people should vote UKIP in June 2009. This of course is utterly dishonest nonsense - Christopher Beazley will not be standing for election again in 2009 as a Conservative primarily because his views are so out of line with the rest of the Party.<BR/><BR/>William Hague's statement makes the Conservative position on the Euro clear, and Barosso is clearly referring to members of the current government.Chris Howellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788153276499154335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8904565144266154332008-12-01T12:09:00.000+00:002008-12-01T12:09:00.000+00:00It is more likely that Baroso is thinking ahead to...It is more likely that Baroso is thinking ahead to the next Tory government rather than anyone currently on the government side in Westminster today.<BR/><BR/>Cue Chris Beazley, Tory MEP.<BR/><BR/>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_2w_2NNW4&eurl=http://www.ukip.tv/?page_id=224Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01994744123260405367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34052186164030968832008-12-01T12:04:00.000+00:002008-12-01T12:04:00.000+00:00This is about opening up splits in the Conservativ...This is about opening up splits in the Conservative party over Europe.Not a sheephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14123293202225008273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22390016984297079782008-12-01T11:41:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:41:00.000+00:00In a novel by Paul Theroux he had one of the chara...In a novel by Paul Theroux he had one of the characters say: "There are only 50 people who matter in this world. And none of them are from the UK."<BR/><BR/>In the eyes of the world's megalomaniacs I think that's probably about right.Desperate Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04961605512194121921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23165508837433214302008-12-01T11:37:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:37:00.000+00:00To be fair, he probably just meant "opinion leader...To be fair, he probably just meant "opinion leaders".<BR/><BR/>Anyway this is certainly distracting attention from the Green affair.Slagellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15048336425784150566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39385851903322593342008-12-01T11:36:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:36:00.000+00:00Barroso said he was talking to sources who didn't ...Barroso said he was talking to sources who didn't want to be named. That didn't stop Mandelson telling the SUnday papers he favoured the euro.<BR/><BR/>He probably gets a Brussels pension paid in euros.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775753218753337766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-35489298923987382182008-12-01T11:34:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:34:00.000+00:00These Eurocrats really don't get the idea of optim...These Eurocrats really don't get the idea of optimal single currency areas. The fact that Gordon Brown has mortgaged the country to the point of bancruptcy in an orgy of spending so the pound is being trashed on the foreign exchange markets doesn't mean that joining the Euro can paper over the cracks. It just means that the Euro will be less stable, and we will have lost control of some of the levers that can be used to help the economy out of trouble like setting interest rates. Unless of course Barosso is volunteering large scale fiscal transfers (i.e. bailouts) from our European 'partners' in order to fix our broken economy - no didn't think so.Chris Howellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788153276499154335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-640304338729026082008-12-01T11:31:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:31:00.000+00:00Isn't this just a bit a mischief making?Surely dur...Isn't this just a bit a mischief making?<BR/><BR/>Surely during a recession, Labour are not going to go through the expense and hassle of changing our currency. <BR/><BR/>Prices will inevitably go up, they did in the EU at the change, yep that will be popular!<BR/><BR/>Can Labour implement this successfully in the 18 months or so before the next election? Probably not!<BR/><BR/>Given the hostility from the country at large and within Parliament this would surely be Labour's Poll Tax moment especially given the failure to hold a referendum on the EU Treaty.<BR/><BR/>Despite Brown wanting to look like Mr Saviour of the Universe, he's a control freak, would he really give away so much economic power to someone else? I doubt it<BR/><BR/>To sign up to the Euro would be an admission from Labour that they've lost the next election. Unlikely they will do this.Peter Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01529272206027702635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56682287746600802722008-12-01T11:18:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:18:00.000+00:00Damn, Lola said what I was just going to.Well said...Damn, Lola said what I was just going to.<BR/>Well said sir!Catosayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885445175868379750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72595228290657096932008-12-01T11:11:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:11:00.000+00:00Arrogant little shit, Boroso. In this country we ...Arrogant little shit, Boroso. In this country we are the people that matter. The bloody citizen. Git. No, worse insult - Eurogit.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52413779166842153022008-12-01T11:05:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:05:00.000+00:00Labour electoral calculators will be fuming! Exce...Labour electoral calculators will be fuming! Excellent news from the Commission.Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-92186973987984666232008-12-01T11:02:00.000+00:002008-12-01T11:02:00.000+00:00Will the Conservatives commit to giving us a refer...Will the Conservatives commit to giving us a referendum on membership of the EU?<BR/><BR/>I want my vote.Wyrdtimeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16640021224868439090noreply@blogger.com