tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3604600309084872786..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Poll Puts Tories 16% AheadIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62103506706912750442008-03-17T12:06:00.000+00:002008-03-17T12:06:00.000+00:00To all those going on about Labour losing in 1992 ...To all those going on about Labour losing in 1992 despite their massive poll lead I have just two words - Neil Kinnock.Oscar Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423019456579337438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9141625765618772002008-03-16T21:05:00.000+00:002008-03-16T21:05:00.000+00:00ANONYMOUS SAID A few weeks ago I put forward and a...ANONYMOUS SAID A few weeks ago I put forward and argument that when Brand cameron is in trouble YouGov and ComRes pollsters always seem to come to his rescue.<BR/><BR/>Well done, anonymous. You must admit that you're not the most consistent contibutor. RoflUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18020757579092579521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51466539461791093752008-03-16T20:43:00.000+00:002008-03-16T20:43:00.000+00:00The 16% lead is very heartening, but we've got to ...The 16% lead is very heartening, but we've got to get to the next election before it can be realised.<BR/><BR/>What does worry me is that NuLabour is a one man party - and that man was Tony Blair. If Gordon Brown implodes under the weight of his own shortcomings, who else is there who can act as catretaker of the nation until the next election?<BR/><BR/>Gordon Brown has surrounded himself with a cabinet of half way personable but incompetent comrades to make himself look good in comparison. Of course he has forgotten the old adage "you can't polish a turd".<BR/><BR/>I'm torn between letting Gordon continue (for fear of a worse replacement) or dusting off the "impeachment" papers over the Lisbon Treaty.<BR/><BR/>On balance I favour action now, to limit the continuing destruction of our nation.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80136229241694799572008-03-16T18:18:00.000+00:002008-03-16T18:18:00.000+00:00Anon at 4.34 - "but the increases in tax on booze ...Anon at 4.34 - "but the increases in tax on booze was universally welcomed, as was more cash for the young and old......."<BR/><BR/>No it wasn't - the increase in tax on booze will affect only the adult, law-abiding drinker - no doubt the intention - and certainly won't stop yobs and children binge drinking, virtually no increase in tax on alcopops or cheap cider remember.<BR/><BR/>More cash for the old - where's that then? Oh yes, I forgot, the extra £50 on the winter fuel payment which won't get to pensioners until next winter, so no immediate help there. There is, of course, the comfort of knowing that when one gets to be 80 years old there will be an extra TWENTY-FIVE PENCE a week to look forward to - but that sum hasn't been increased for years and wasn't this time, either.<BR/><BR/>More cash for the young - child benefit increased, that's only of help if you're on benefits in the first place, otherwise it all disappears in tax. <BR/><BR/>There is the joy for the low-paid and pensioners of paying much more tax come April, when the 10% tax band is abolished, so no doubt those groups are all thinking fondly of the goverment.......<BR/><BR/>Take more tax from those least able to afford it - no doubt that's just why all those Labour MPs went into politics.......<BR/><BR/>But in the immortal words of Ed Balls - SO WHAT? Someone's got to pay for his second home and huge expenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-20208696981416632342008-03-16T16:58:00.000+00:002008-03-16T16:58:00.000+00:00TLSorry about the lack of such. However somethings...TL<BR/><BR/>Sorry about the lack of such. <BR/><BR/>However somethings, like summing up as best as you personally can, the way the whole world works. Simply can not be done in one or two paragraphs. <BR/><BR/>Although I am comforted to note that no one has so far claimed it to be all just a mad paranoid conspiracy theory. <BR/><BR/>Very much like they used to, over the last ten years I have been coming out with this stuff.<BR/><BR/>I think the oh so clear realities of life are now hitting all of us.<BR/><BR/>What difference it makes to anything, of course is another question. <BR/><BR/>I could not possibly quantify how much, although I guess very little indeed.<BR/><BR/>BTW<BR/><BR/>The name is Atlas, and he is getting very bored with shrugging so much and for so long.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42402605849252703092008-03-16T16:38:00.000+00:002008-03-16T16:38:00.000+00:00A few weeks ago I put forward and argument that wh...A few weeks ago I put forward and argument that when Brand cameron is in trouble YouGov and ComRes pollsters always seem to come to his rescue.<BR/><BR/>This week’s polls are no different.<BR/><BR/>Cambo has had another bad week. Spring conference has had little or no publicity, so the Tories start a spat with the BBC. No one was interested in the conference.<BR/><BR/>Darling delivered a dull budget, but the increases in tax on booze was universally welcomed, as was more cash for the young and old. So it wasn’t that bad a budget. The Tories are in disarray….quick get a good poll out to steady the nerves of the Tory troops. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, but the next election is over 2 years away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31046090260220514602008-03-16T15:46:00.000+00:002008-03-16T15:46:00.000+00:00anonymous @ 2.17pmCOMMON PURPOSE!!!!anonymous @ 2.17pm<BR/><BR/>COMMON PURPOSE!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13894073322167052362008-03-16T15:05:00.000+00:002008-03-16T15:05:00.000+00:00anonymous [2.17 PM] Brevity! Brevity!anonymous [2.17 PM] Brevity! Brevity!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87842147731235320072008-03-16T14:56:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:56:00.000+00:00Iain,Perhaps on your next jolly to Sky or the Beeb...Iain,<BR/><BR/>Perhaps on your next jolly to Sky or the Beeb you could ask why they are being so quiet about this poll.Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15203026279846542950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22438688997112440292008-03-16T14:48:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:48:00.000+00:00Interesting breakdown from the YouGov poll for Sco...Interesting breakdown from the YouGov poll for Scotland.<BR/><BR/>YouGov breakdown for Scotland <BR/><BR/>SNP 37% (+19%)<BR/>Labour 30% (-9%)<BR/>Conservative 18% (+2%)<BR/>Liberals 11% (-11%)<BR/><BR/>Reflects the MRUK poll the Scottish edition of the Sunday Times ran for Scottish elections.<BR/><BR/>Scottish Parliament constituency vote:<BR/><BR/>SNP: 39% (+6)<BR/>Lab: 31% (-1)<BR/>Con: 15% (-2)<BR/>Lib: 12% (-4)<BR/>Oth: 3% (+1)<BR/><BR/>Scottish Parliament regional vote:<BR/><BR/>SNP: 40% (+9)<BR/>Lab: 30% (+1)<BR/>Con: 13% (-1)<BR/>Lib: 11% (-)<BR/>Oth: 5% (-10)<BR/><BR/>Projected seats:<BR/><BR/>SNP: 57<BR/>Lab: 44<BR/>Con: 16<BR/>Lib: 12<BR/><BR/>And Labour was spinning this was supposedly a bad week for the SNP and Salmond on fair local taxes and the Donald Trump report.<BR/><BR/>Obviously they've picked the wrong issues this week and only reminded voters why the SNP are a better option than themselves.<BR/><BR/>They've reminded voters of how they used council tax as another means to raise taxes off the Whitehall books and why they are seen as <A HREF="http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/politics/End-Trump-resort-row-for.3882959.jp" REL="nofollow">bad for investment</A>.<BR/><BR/>And they are also <A HREF="http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/politics/One-in-four-Labour-members.3882921.jp" REL="nofollow">heading towards eclipse</A> as an active force in Scottish politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18995917836342844582008-03-16T14:18:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:18:00.000+00:00The budget was a thoroughgoing disaster in politic...The budget was a thoroughgoing disaster in political terms. What were they thinking of taxing ordinary family cars in that way? What were they thinking of raising taxes for ordinary people just as many families are coming under financial pressure? Both were bound be be very unpopular with a very wide group of people and there were no counterbalancing measures to reassure the electorate that the government had any conception of the financial worries that many of them have. That phrase 'so what?' sums it up perfectly and that utterance may come to be seen as the exact point that Labour were irretrievably lost. Their incompetence has opened the door for change. Cameron's challenge is to walk through it.Steve Horganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13689714700049747836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30321180449176149002008-03-16T14:17:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:17:00.000+00:00Let me please try to help some people with their u...Let me please try to help some people with their understandable confusion?<BR/><BR/>The BBC as we can see clearly has an agenda all of its own. It claims that this is somewhere in the middle of the two main parties.<BR/><BR/>This is broadly correct. But never the less, is just as likely to be NOT what the British people want or is good for them, as any other position.<BR/><BR/>In my own personal opinion being in the middle is more likely to NOT be either of these things, almost all of the time.<BR/><BR/>Although internationalists such as Marxists and Fascists like the BBC don't care about the interests of their particular electorate or their customers anyway. Therefore have little problem with this. They also find it impossible to understand why we the people of Britain very often do have a very big problem with it.<BR/><BR/>They only really care about their own personal rampant internationalism, and their own personal status and Swiss bank accounts.<BR/><BR/>This of course explains very well why only real nationalism is a complete NO NO with not just the BBC but all main stream political parties.<BR/><BR/>So why does the BBC have an agenda when they are not, by their charter, supposed to have any such thing, you may well ask?<BR/><BR/>Also where does it get this obvious agenda from?<BR/><BR/>The answers to these questions are far more simple then the majority of the people of the world think. Mainly because people like the BBC never tell them the real truth under any circumstances. Doing so is quite literally, more then their lives are worth.<BR/><BR/>The agenda of the BBC is a New World Order establishment agenda. This is formulated at a level of world government well above our own domestic party political system.<BR/><BR/>The party that most closely follows the correct New World Order agenda is the one that gets the most of the BBC's support. This whether a majority of the employees like it or not. Simply massive Top down CORPORATIONS of all types are never, repeat never, run by the blind idiots at or anywhere near the bottom of the corporate pyramid.<BR/><BR/>The agenda is largely formulated and decided on, inside inter governmental organizations such as the Bilderberg Group, The council for Foreign Relations, and The Tri Lateral Commission. Among others at a higher more select level, and others at a less select level such as The EU and UN.<BR/><BR/>The more select bodies meet in secret and the contents of discussion are also highly secret.<BR/><BR/>The people that run and control these groups are the big banking and industrial corporations financed by mainly the Rothschild's and the Rockafella's. The people that attend them are by invitation only. Although they normally involve the attendance of high representatives of both political parties from both right and left. Labour and Conservative, Republican and Democrat, radical and reactionary.<BR/><BR/>Also INVITED if they are lucky, are leaders in the MEDIA scientific, industrial, financial, educational, environmental, and military fields in all of the major industrialized countries.<BR/><BR/>This of course should explain just about all you need to know about why British American and world politics seems so often not to make any type of logical sense. Also why it so often seems to work in the long term interests of no one at all. However if you can get the above firmly in your mind EVERYTHING makes sense.<BR/><BR/>Not always nice sense but sense all the same.<BR/><BR/>What national political parties do is deal with the details. But the real agenda is either followed or all hell breaks out within the respective countries economy and or civil cohesion, sooner or later. As both left wing protest groups and the Central Banks are controlled and financed by the same people.<BR/><BR/>Our political parties are not run by stupid idiots or fools or even always bad people, you may be reassured to know. Its just the way it has long since been. More now then ever before<BR/><BR/>My advice is to vote for the political party that most closely represents your personal priorities. You never know your luck, things may get better for you and your family, if you do.<BR/><BR/>But do not keep thinking it will change anything very significant, and you will not be disappointed. Also understand that by definition all top politicians are lying though their teeth. Otherwise they will never be allowed to get elected in the first place. Or will generally only stay in power long enough to change the curtains. Our top politicians KNOW this, and so now do you.<BR/><BR/>Atlas shruggedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8002440366670305462008-03-16T14:06:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:06:00.000+00:00Question From the Poll:The government wastes large...Question From the Poll:<BR/><BR/>The government wastes large amounts of taxpayers' money and is not trying seriously to reduce the level of waste.<BR/><BR/>Answers from those with Labour voting intentions:<BR/><BR/>53% agree with that statement<BR/>35% Disagree<BR/>13% Don't Know.<BR/><BR/>I suspect the large numbers of Labour voters working in the public sector have first hand knowledge of the mismanagement of public funds by the govt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39072679186251990602008-03-16T12:31:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:31:00.000+00:00In my youthful naivety I voted for these morons th...In my youthful naivety I voted for these morons three times. Never again. Churchill was right, If you're not a Tory by the time you're 30, you're a fool. <BR/><BR/>I've still got my problems with Cameron, in a way, he's not committing to go far enough to reverse the damage done to our economy and society by these idiots, but anything (lord, anything) is better than Labour.<BR/><BR/>The latest madness from the Socialist Control Freaks scared the crap outta me this morning over my cornflakes.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2j8unt<BR/><BR/>"...lets have a mature public debate about how we tackle crime [before] it's taken place..."<BR/><BR/>What the Flip?<BR/><BR/>Minority Report here we come.<BR/><BR/>The Times' poll puts Labour at their lowest point since the 1983 election. Rejoice. Rejoice. Rejoice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12648074279884711152008-03-16T12:18:00.001+00:002008-03-16T12:18:00.001+00:00Polls are funny buggers. If they go your way they'...Polls are funny buggers. If they go your way they're spot on, if they don't they don't mean very much.<BR/><BR/>Besides, I 'm sure any poll taken directly after a budget will reflect badly on the incumbents. Budgets are rarely, if ever, popular, particularly with us drinkers and smokers!<BR/><BR/>Cameron's in a bit of a fix. I think he's a smart man (although Hague is much smarter), but if he announces a raft of policy ideas then Brown will just poach them. If Cameron keeps schtum people say he has no ideas and lacks direction.<BR/><BR/>The problem is a lot of people just don't know what the Conservatives believe in, let alone what they might do.<BR/><BR/>At the moment they seem more like New Labour: a drip drip of announcements that don't amount to much and then disappear. People are sick of it.<BR/><BR/>The Swedish education idea is excellent though. I hope they don't let that one drop!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67145175585978021892008-03-16T12:18:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:18:00.000+00:00Polls are funny buggers. If they go your way they'...Polls are funny buggers. If they go your way they're spot on, if they don't they don't mean very much.<BR/><BR/>Besides, I 'm sure any poll taken directly after a budget will reflect badly on the incumbents. Budgets are rarely, if ever, popular, particularly with us drinkers and smokers!<BR/><BR/>Cameron's in a bit of a fix. I think he's a smart man (although Hague is much smarter), but if he announces a raft of policy ideas then Brown will just poach them. If Cameron keeps schtum people say he has no ideas and lacks direction.<BR/><BR/>The problem is a lot of people just don't know what the Conservatives believe in, let alone what they might do.<BR/><BR/>At the moment they seem more like New Labour: a drip drip of announcements that don't amount to much and then disappear. People are sick of it.<BR/><BR/>The Swedish education idea is excellent though. I hope they don't let that one drop!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72798717768447226392008-03-16T12:17:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:17:00.000+00:00The BBC does actually mention the poll, although i...The BBC does actually mention the poll, although it doesn't appear to be in a headline. And of course at this very moment David Cameron is on the Politics Show. In fact, the BBC is generally quite favourable to the Tories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83151268338563993922008-03-16T12:02:00.000+00:002008-03-16T12:02:00.000+00:00Occassionally, these pollsters actually produce "g...Occassionally, these pollsters actually produce "genuine" polls.<BR/>But, I'm sure Kellner and Worcester will come up with convenient "Labour closing the gap" polls, in the coming months and will have Labour ahead by conference season in the Autumn. None of which will reflect reality, but will keep pressure off Brown, when he needs it.Geezerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642135656070350953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-91232112022015136032008-03-16T10:42:00.000+00:002008-03-16T10:42:00.000+00:00I've just poured myself a glass of bubbly.It's rai...I've just poured myself a glass of bubbly.<BR/>It's raining outside, but the church bells are ringing and people are dancing in the streets outside my luxurious Surrey home.<BR/>Life is good. How are things in Hartlepool?<BR/>I hear the YouGuv figures have cast a pall of gloom in the Downing Street bunker. Yvette has already poisoned the kids and Ed is steeling himself to do the necessary. Meanwhile Gordon is making his way up Ben Nevis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29829293065264689222008-03-16T10:27:00.000+00:002008-03-16T10:27:00.000+00:00This is the reward for Labour's remorseless tax in...This is the reward for Labour's remorseless tax increases to fund their profligate spending. <BR/><BR/>Tax increases which, according to Philip Hammond, Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, the Tories will NOT REVERSE, at least for their first parliamentary term. FFS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59149567359531898412008-03-16T10:22:00.000+00:002008-03-16T10:22:00.000+00:00I won't believe any poll until we have a few margi...I won't believe any poll until we have a few marginal by-elections. I wouldn't mind a new Scottish Parliament election right now- anything to reduce the number of crap Labour MSP's!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88067974943917790822008-03-16T10:06:00.000+00:002008-03-16T10:06:00.000+00:00Good polling for the Tories. But Iain. Are you hap...Good polling for the Tories. But Iain. Are you happy that the Conservatives should win at any cost? Even if that cost is that you are no longer the Conservatives? Even if you wake up the day after the election to find that you have yet another nu-labour government but this time with David Cameron at the helm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51004363244717936732008-03-16T10:04:00.000+00:002008-03-16T10:04:00.000+00:00"So what!""So what!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17049765167250173912008-03-16T09:42:00.000+00:002008-03-16T09:42:00.000+00:00Hold the front page "2008 is not 1990" ! Labour w...Hold the front page "2008 is not 1990" ! Labour was also ahead for most of 1991 and lost in 1992.<BR/><BR/>If you feed the current NotW figures into Baxter's electoral calculus site it shows NOC. The Conservatives would have to do a deal with the SNP and/or the Libs. Not a recipe for a stable government, just wait for the first serious vote about Europe...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80543173183273271542008-03-16T09:23:00.000+00:002008-03-16T09:23:00.000+00:00Anonymous said... "Oh God please let it be true. N...<B>Anonymous said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"Oh God please let it be true. No more Dave Sparks posting all over the internet telling us how Labour are winning the war against the 'toffs' by raising taxes on the poor, giving the country's sovereignty to a bunch of corrupt kleptocrats in the failed state of Belgium and storing all our DNA on a CD they then leave lying on the passenger's seat of their limo."<BR/><BR/>You might be right about Dave Sparks. As for the rest, a Tory government would do just the same. They're all the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com