tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3444827819348629315..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Ming Campbell Caught Telling PorkiesIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40891588122164217452007-05-23T22:13:00.000+01:002007-05-23T22:13:00.000+01:00I'm sorry Ian but this piece is simply absurd. Jus...I'm sorry Ian but this piece is simply absurd. Just because you don't vote for someting doesn't mean you don't support it! I have written a letter to Chris Grayling (Shadow for transport) and he has replied saying that he supports this bill even though he didn't vote for it. Of course the Tory front bench wont come out to vote for this absurd piece of legislation but thats not the point. The Tory front bench could put a stop to this immediately if they had the guts. But no, they support the legislation and wont even bother putting the tiny amount of effort required into stopping it but wont risk being held accountable for it by actually voting. The lib dems simply don't have the power to influence this decision (hence the majority of the party not bothering to turn up) but if the Tories actually took a stand on this issue it could be defeated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50277317558698159522007-05-23T16:13:00.000+01:002007-05-23T16:13:00.000+01:00It is remarkable the number of people posting in c...It is remarkable the number of people posting in criticism of Iain who seem unable to understand simple English.<BR/><BR/>To suggest that "[the] Conservative front bench ... joined forces" with Labour is to state that they acted in concert, and with the approval of those in authority in that group. Those few that voted in favour did so without encouragement from their seniors, in stark contrast to the Labour "unofficial" whip on this issue. They did so as individuals, not as part of a front-bench collusion. Therefore Campbell lied.<BR/><BR/>Those criticising Iain for not criticising the Conservatives have obviously not actually read his previous words on the issue, a forgivable oversight, but those that try to see Campbell's words as truth are either misunderstanding his words or being disingenuous themselves.<BR/><BR/>I am sure Campbell wrote with a view to just such wriggling and misrepresentation, but what he meant was clear and it was a lie. Why defend him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24135979359382819802007-05-22T23:07:00.000+01:002007-05-22T23:07:00.000+01:00Come on Iain, you are close enough to the Whips of...Come on Iain, you are close enough to the Whips office to know damn well that Cameron's team gave the nod to just enough support being put forward for this measure for it to get its 100 votes and not be seen as a totally partisan measure by Labour.<BR/><BR/>That, as you know is what Ming was meaning. So are YOU going to apologise? Or have you filled yourself up with the uncharactaristic partizan bile which you were being slagged off for avoiding by your blue bloggers Union shop steward the other day?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74860205187917441832007-05-22T18:48:00.000+01:002007-05-22T18:48:00.000+01:00ktzMing has to attack the Conservatives because he...ktzMing has to attack the Conservatives because he needs to provide himself with cover from his deal with Brown to become Foreign Secretary.<BR/><BR/>It's noticeable that he doesn't even mention that his mate Brown has said he won't block the legislation. He's gone soft on Labour and it's losing them the support Kennedy managed to build up.<BR/><BR/>This is just an opportunistic move in the hope that the Liberal membership's attention is elsewhere than the main problem which is losing them seats, votes and credibility. Ming himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81768740656504856012007-05-22T17:30:00.000+01:002007-05-22T17:30:00.000+01:00I'm hardly surprised at Ming's behaviour. After al...I'm hardly surprised at Ming's behaviour. After all, it's not the first time this has happened with him or other members of his revolting party. <BR/><BR/>In a similar vein, but more intriguingly, I heard a rumour that there is a video of Ming pronouncing the Iraq War to be LEGAL in an interview with the BBC shortly after the conflict began but which wasn't shown in full. What I would give to have that find its way into the press...Me vs Maradona vs Elvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15168821199391316159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31082679648481216212007-05-22T16:42:00.000+01:002007-05-22T16:42:00.000+01:00Sorry Iain - Cameron's statement is too little, to...Sorry Iain - Cameron's statement is too little, too late.<BR/><BR/>This outrageous bill should have been opposed in the commons and no tories should have supported it.<BR/><BR/>This whole episode will simply diminish even further any residual respect that the public has for MPs of all colours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19285999243247516382007-05-22T16:38:00.000+01:002007-05-22T16:38:00.000+01:00Anon 3:44: All Lib Dems are hypocrites; Laurence B...Anon 3:44: All Lib Dems are hypocrites; Laurence Boyce proves it once again.Sir-C4'https://www.blogger.com/profile/03917709983378003032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55630156744371398032007-05-22T15:49:00.000+01:002007-05-22T15:49:00.000+01:00Anonymous said... Does not the failure to galvanis...Anonymous said... <BR/>Does not the failure to galvanise Tory MPs into the 'Noe' lobby last Friday also qualify as 'disgraceful'<BR/><BR/>Yep. I expect the outcry among his supporters changed his mind, don't you? Which is better than being incapable of changing tack as Blair is, I suppose. So there is some potential for a less dictatorial position from Cameron after all...with training from all of us.<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13627729325752555702007-05-22T15:44:00.000+01:002007-05-22T15:44:00.000+01:00Laurence Boyce said... Ming Campbell has just shot...Laurence Boyce said... <BR/>Ming Campbell has just shot himself in the foot. I wish he’d shoot himself in the head for a change. <BR/><BR/>Lau...rence, I'm surprised at you. I thought you were the guardian of political correctness here :) Ming's alright, he doesn't deserve that...just needs to move over for a younger person.<BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76039836986009684492007-05-22T15:24:00.000+01:002007-05-22T15:24:00.000+01:00Those Conservatives - and nulabs - who weren't the...Those Conservatives - and nulabs - who weren't there and didn't vote are as much to blame as those who voted for this iniquitous Bill.<BR/><BR/>However, I am heartened to hear that Cameron has instructed the Conservative Lords to vote against it - please God that will be sufficient to scupper it. <BR/><BR/>Anway, until he stupidly insults England again or rushes headlong after some utopian nonsense, count me in as a half hearted Cameron supporter again. <BR/><BR/>Auntie Flo'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45756951208730586792007-05-22T15:23:00.000+01:002007-05-22T15:23:00.000+01:00Has Ming Campbell got any feet left? He's shot th...Has Ming Campbell got any feet left? He's shot them enough times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81211186554912567082007-05-22T15:18:00.000+01:002007-05-22T15:18:00.000+01:00The Front Bench, of which 'Dave" is apparently lea...The Front Bench, of which 'Dave" is apparently leader was conspicuously silent on this matter until this week, given that the horse bolted through the stable door last Friday. <BR/><BR/>Does not the failure to galvanise Tory MPs into the 'Noe' lobby last Friday also qualify as 'disgraceful'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1536704621856451592007-05-22T14:39:00.000+01:002007-05-22T14:39:00.000+01:00Thats a bit grasping at straws and quibbling on yo...Thats a bit grasping at straws and quibbling on your part, Mr Dale.<BR/><BR/>In a way, its even worse that given a free rein, some tories voted for it. Just goes to show their real frame of mind, and confirms that cameron's tories are just smoke and mirrors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43542716275876766792007-05-22T14:03:00.000+01:002007-05-22T14:03:00.000+01:00I actually agree with Chris Paul, the Tories can h...I actually agree with Chris Paul, the Tories can hardly take the moral high ground now. DC could easily have suggested to his MPs that they shouldn't vote for the bill - it's hardly a "matter of conscience".Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16030289792407522252007-05-22T13:58:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:58:00.000+01:00I got the same email, which puzzled me on two acco...I got the same email, which puzzled me on two accounts, I am a former Lib Dem supporter and deregistered a long time ago, secondly I had just seen your post on Dave's intention to bring the FOI(I) down. Ming, the poor old boy, is not as quick as he used to be. However I think Dave does not want to be hoisted on two petards in one week. As ever from the Lord Protector's camp the sound of deafening silence.Guthrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17499979740864497256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6053671160466334282007-05-22T13:53:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:53:00.000+01:00On the criteria you are judging by, Iain, you coul...On the criteria you are judging by, Iain, you could equally well claim that the Labour front bench had not voted for the Bill either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-12946319716571546042007-05-22T13:37:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:37:00.000+01:00Ming Campbell has just shot himself in the foot.I ...<I>Ming Campbell has just shot himself in the foot.</I><BR/><BR/>I wish he’d shoot himself in the head for a change.Laurence Boycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838530535994771528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46906523158377104172007-05-22T13:24:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:24:00.000+01:00Once more the pot calling the kettle black. Or, pe...Once more the pot calling the kettle black. Or, people in glass houses...<BR/><BR/>I think that it is one thing to overstate an issue, and quite another to blatantly lie about an issue and hope that one is not caught out.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17847155198511283942007-05-22T13:14:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:14:00.000+01:00David Heath sums this up well:“It is typical of Da...David Heath sums this up well:<BR/><BR/>“It is typical of David Cameron to wait and see what the newspaper editorials say before he makes up his mind on an issue.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57673185456779685262007-05-22T13:13:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:13:00.000+01:00A Lib Dem caught telling a lie is hardly news Iain...A Lib Dem caught telling a lie is hardly news Iain.Ralphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15203026279846542950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45410943998479461072007-05-22T13:05:00.000+01:002007-05-22T13:05:00.000+01:00Chris, like a typical socialist you cannot count. ...Chris, like a typical socialist you cannot count. Four Tories voted against. Twenty five voted in favour. A ratio of five to one or thereabouts. Do keep up.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-55059699277589531632007-05-22T12:52:00.000+01:002007-05-22T12:52:00.000+01:00Sorry you could not understand my point Iain.It wa...Sorry you could not understand my point Iain.<BR/><BR/>It was that NINE front benchers is rather a lot to just slip through. TWO would have been enough to justify plural "Front Benchers" and quibbling with Ming's "Front Bench" if that is what he said is just that, quibbling.<BR/><BR/>The Tories who turned up voted TEN-to-ONE in favour of this daft Tory Bill. They would have been able to carry it themselves by a couple of votes I think.<BR/><BR/>Any clearer? Gordon Brown will sort this out without histrionics.Chris Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15679067503215414300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-57850046412639744812007-05-22T12:51:00.000+01:002007-05-22T12:51:00.000+01:00Iain, why didnt Cameron exert his authority here t...Iain, why didnt Cameron exert his authority here to kill this Bill, and provide clear differentiation from Gordon "openness and accountability" Brown ??Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14936412022257360771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62674924808799961482007-05-22T12:43:00.000+01:002007-05-22T12:43:00.000+01:00Iain, you say Cameron wants to 'bring down' the bi...Iain, you say Cameron wants to 'bring down' the bill. That might itself be an exaggeration. Have just seen him interviewed and he seemed to be quite careful in his words, saying he did not want to see it passed "in its current form". Let's wait to see what this actially means. Could turn out to be fairly minor amendments would be enough to win the Tories over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15261228044577819022007-05-22T12:39:00.000+01:002007-05-22T12:39:00.000+01:00I wrote to my MP John Bercow, expressing my anger ...I wrote to my MP John Bercow, expressing my anger about this proposed exemption. He replied promptly to the effect that he was against the amendment too. <BR/>But when I checked yesterday who had voted for and against it his name did not appear. <BR/><BR/>I think many MPs chose to stay away knowing they would reap the benefits without getting the sleaze badge, and in my book that's behaving even worse than that MacLean idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com