tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post3397144301831114009..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Meet The Most Anti-Gay MP in the House of CommonsIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15817692500018987802008-07-25T00:24:00.000+01:002008-07-25T00:24:00.000+01:00I want to add that I don't want to see her prosecu...I want to add that I don't want to see her prosecuted at all, just that I want her to be roasted over to coals for trolling with intent to stir the pot.<BR/><BR/>People could die to this kind of talk, that's why, because some of the morons who listen to her kind are dangerous people in their mindlessness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69410069790588827982008-07-25T00:10:00.000+01:002008-07-25T00:10:00.000+01:00Erm, she conflated homosexuality with child abuse ...Erm, she conflated homosexuality with child abuse there, that's not 'free speech' that's incitement -- it sort of comes close to 'jews poisoning wells' style kind of slander in fact the pedophile label has been used in many countries for many years to whip up hatred against gays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68615562754401996792008-07-24T11:32:00.000+01:002008-07-24T11:32:00.000+01:00Stewart Cowan said... "This is all I will say on t...<B>Stewart Cowan said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"This is all I will say on this subject."<BR/><BR/>Praise the Lord. Then save your money to pay a lady to teach you a thing or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81324549613475291152008-07-23T15:51:00.000+01:002008-07-23T15:51:00.000+01:00Their abrupt rudeness is an automatic response of ...<I>Their abrupt rudeness is an automatic response of being reminded of sin. Their pride causes obstructions to proper debate, so they lash out.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I'm sorry Stewart, but that simply won't wash. "It's wrong because God says so" is not 'proper debate' nor is it 'reasoned' (a word you used earlier) in the sense of rational. It is thoroughly irrational to base your view of something on what a supernatural being might or might not think about it. Not wrong, necessarily, but hardly rational.<BR/><BR/>You are very free to express your dislike of homosexuality, and others are free to think you bigoted for so doing. You may wish to argue 'reasonably' that it is detrimental to family life, and they may disagree. You might suggest that homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals and spread venereal diseases, and someone might ask for your evidence on either fact. Both of those are rational points of debate, whether they are correct or incorrect. But 'God says' is not. Even if the God you believe in does. Because it is a matter of faith. <BR/><BR/>I'm pleased that you are secure in your faith. Myself, I would dispute your theological view and question your lazy and fundamentalist literalism on doctrine. But don't paint yourself as the defender of rational debate. That is so disingenuous as to be almost an outright lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67304880458773759812008-07-23T14:40:00.000+01:002008-07-23T14:40:00.000+01:00I wonder what she does in bed that she's proud of....I wonder what she does in bed that she's proud of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24976883795283757322008-07-23T13:14:00.000+01:002008-07-23T13:14:00.000+01:00Sorry, I must reply to this cowardly anonymous com...Sorry, I must reply to this cowardly anonymous comment:<BR/><BR/> Stewart Cowan said...<BR/><BR/> "These are very precarious times to be on the earth without the Saviour's strength against temptation."<BR/><BR/> You silly little boy. Grow up, have sex, get a life.<BR/><BR/>Sometimes you read the Bible and think, surely people weren't as stupid as that in the old days.<BR/><BR/>Things like worshipping a golden calf instead of the living God.<BR/><BR/>Like worshipping phallus-shaped objects.<BR/><BR/>Here we are in 2008 and people are still just as confused and worshipping sex.<BR/><BR/>Like the ancients who killed the prophets for warning against sin, the people now cast metaphorical daggers into God's people for doing the same.<BR/><BR/>Their abrupt rudeness is an automatic response of being reminded of sin. Their pride causes obstructions to proper debate, so they lash out.<BR/><BR/>Pride cometh before destruction and only One can save you from destruction.<BR/><BR/>This is all I will say on this subject.Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69842148755559046672008-07-23T07:38:00.000+01:002008-07-23T07:38:00.000+01:00Tom Hatton wrote:>>>These are all biblica...Tom Hatton wrote:<BR/><BR/>>>>These are all biblical quotations. Read the story if you don't believe me:<BR/><BR/>"took great delight in David"<BR/><BR/>"Jonathan loved him as his own soul."<BR/><BR/>"Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that he was wearing, and gave it to David"<<<<BR/><BR/>Sorry, but anyone who reads this and imagines "the men were engaged in erotic love." needs a little bit of help!<BR/><BR/>Please don't bastardise holy scripture with political correctness.Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5506527111516408362008-07-23T07:09:00.000+01:002008-07-23T07:09:00.000+01:00Stewart Cowan said... "These are very precarious t...<B>Stewart Cowan said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"These are very precarious times to be on the earth without the Saviour's strength against temptation."<BR/><BR/>You silly little boy. Grow up, have sex, get a life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-19440547194135301352008-07-23T04:18:00.000+01:002008-07-23T04:18:00.000+01:00Fancy waking up each morning and seeing her face n...Fancy waking up each morning and seeing her face next to you. It's no wonder Peter Robinson is such a happy soul...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28788306348758590812008-07-23T01:45:00.000+01:002008-07-23T01:45:00.000+01:00Is it possible that her doctor could turn her into...Is it possible that her doctor could turn her into something other than a bitch?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25333156410157197122008-07-22T23:45:00.000+01:002008-07-22T23:45:00.000+01:00Aren't her statements illegal?Aren't her statements illegal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18651820981013773122008-07-22T23:21:00.000+01:002008-07-22T23:21:00.000+01:00As far as I'm concerned, anyone in this day and ag...As far as I'm concerned, anyone in this day and age who is gulliable enough to believe that a virgin gave birth and all that nonsense is an obvious nutter, and anything they say should be taken with a large pinch of salt. If she is entitled to her opinion about gays then I am entitled to mine about Christians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31508630483780432952008-07-22T23:13:00.000+01:002008-07-22T23:13:00.000+01:00These are all biblical quotations. Read the story...These are all biblical quotations. Read the story if you don't believe me:<BR/><BR/>"took great delight in David"<BR/><BR/>"Jonathan loved him as his own soul."<BR/><BR/>"Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that he was wearing, and gave it to David"<BR/><BR/><BR/>When referring to sex in biblical stories the Bible is very reserved and rarely states it openly. As far as i'm concerned the above quotes are clear: the men were engaged in erotic love.<BR/><BR/>Also, the scriptural evidence to the contrary of my views is usually discarded when it comes to other issie, for example, in Paul's letters it says women should not speak in chuch. Why ignore that, but not ignore it when it condemns homosexuality. The anti-gay lobby is hypocritical and misguided. My advice....<BR/><BR/>Read the Bible and read it properly.Tom Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108855566459025496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25952990811617453802008-07-22T22:05:00.000+01:002008-07-22T22:05:00.000+01:00I think Ms Robinson needs to be a little careful a...I think Ms Robinson needs to be a little careful about equating what she finds vile and repulsive with what is objectively wrong. Would, for instance, she object to the following statement were it to be uttered by a conservative Catholic:-<BR/><BR/>"There can be no viler act... than the rebellion against God and the Church practised by those schismatic and heretical Christians called Protestants. There must be sufficient confidence that the community has the best possible protection against such perverts, and it is important that there be a mature public debate on the issues, but the security of our citizens must be our overriding priority."<BR/><BR/>I can well imagine that such a statement would have been happily uttered by many millions of Catholics during the Counter Reformation period and for centuries thereafter, for whom rebellion against God and the Church in such a way (through schism and heresy) would have been seen as securing for the rebeller eternal damnation - what viler act could be imagined? I suspect however that the Protestant Ms Robinson might disagree with such a view.<BR/><BR/>To base morality upon personal revulsion is a path fraught with danger. The revulsion must be justified by external authority. Ms Robinson would doubtless cite Scripture as such, but that of course leads us to the very tricky issue of the authority of Scripture, an issue which is so exercising the minds of a number of persons currently gathered at Canterbury.trinitylawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07106413502182893622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-28792607640187711762008-07-22T21:46:00.000+01:002008-07-22T21:46:00.000+01:00I think she is entitled to her views, and to expre...I think she is entitled to her views, and to express them. Anyone who disagrees should spend some time in China or Zimbabwe and discover where such prejudice and bigotry lead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-43585887573118560792008-07-22T21:45:00.000+01:002008-07-22T21:45:00.000+01:00'Pro-gay agenda', LOL. Paranoid bigots and conspir...'Pro-gay agenda', LOL. Paranoid bigots and conspiracy theorists are alive and well, and not just in NI unfortunately! We'll have the 9/11 nutters along next..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73933864226110371592008-07-22T20:40:00.000+01:002008-07-22T20:40:00.000+01:00Tom Hatton said: "There's much scriptural evidence...Tom Hatton said: <BR/><BR/>"There's much scriptural evidence in favour, yes in favour, of homosexuality (David and Jonathon for starters)."<BR/><BR/>I have never heard such lies.<BR/><BR/>I believe it could also be blasphemous.<BR/><BR/>Men are able to love one another without sexual arousal being an issue. Do you love your dad/brothers/grandfathers/sons/uncles/nephews/male cousins/best friends?<BR/><BR/>The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah gives more than a clue as to what happens when a society falls into irreversible depravity.<BR/><BR/>How far are we from the same fate I wonder?<BR/><BR/>Who will listen?<BR/><BR/>They didn't back then and history seems to be repeating itself.<BR/><BR/>The Almighty even has the grace to make the internet possible so that people in these dark days of confusion can learn more and discuss the issues and repent and believe and receive salvation through the Blood of Christ.<BR/><BR/>I suggest that when somebody cries "homophobe" they are really saying, "I'm too entangled in sin to give a reasoned reply."<BR/><BR/>These are very precarious times to be on the earth without the Saviour's strength against temptation.Stewart Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14438121139084279087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29288991086598231232008-07-22T18:42:00.000+01:002008-07-22T18:42:00.000+01:00I very much doubt that she is the most anti-gay MP...I very much doubt that she is the most anti-gay MP.<BR/><BR/>It's just that the others know that these days it is best to keep their true feelings about homosexuality to themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73532593483780804502008-07-22T18:27:00.000+01:002008-07-22T18:27:00.000+01:00Mr Dale, as it happens many people still see homos...Mr Dale, as it happens many people still see homosexual acts as not equivalent to heterosexual acts, even if they do not use the word ‘sin’. Here you (and other pro-gay advocates here) are using intemperate and extreme words like 'bigots' to describe those who still hold, and dare to express, the traditional view of sexual practice which has been held for centuries until we have been intimidated to change our views. Words like ‘bigot’ and ‘homophobia’ are used to silence opponents of the gay agenda, and some here want any who hold them hounded out of office – just for holding and speaking centuries old traditional views!<BR/><BR/>You say expression of such views such as Mrs Robinson’s can give succour to those who commit homophobic attacks etc. (I wonder if you really do believe in the freedom to express views you disagree with you on this subject – I’m surprised how you can be a Conservative). But surely the words that you use to describe Mrs Robinson’s views as “bigoted ill-judged claptrap” are just as provocative and could they give succour to ‘christophobia’ or whatever. <BR/><BR/>I don’t agree that homosexual acts are worse than other sins such as sexually abusing children, and I would condemn homophobic attacks (and violence against anybody). But bearing in mind that (as has been pointed out by someone else here) part of the gay agenda is to weaken families, perhaps its about time more had the courage of Mrs Robinson to defy the pro-gay agenda to speak out the traditional view.<BR/><BR/>(tom hatton, where does scripture actually say David and Jonathan engaged in homosexual acts?)For true freedomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15010133861388250256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64772558726001304812008-07-22T17:39:00.000+01:002008-07-22T17:39:00.000+01:00Iain,You wrote:"While I am sure Mrs Robinson, bein...Iain,<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/><BR/>"While I am sure Mrs Robinson, being a good Christian, would never condone any form of homophobic attack,"<BR/><BR/>Was the sarcasm intended? I am a 'good Christian' and I can assure you her views are not set in stone. There's much scriptural evidence in favour, yes in favour, of homosexuality (David and Jonathon for starters). Please do not tar all of us Christians with the same brush.Tom Hattonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108855566459025496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64143816362858923802008-07-22T17:35:00.000+01:002008-07-22T17:35:00.000+01:00rebecca, if you replaced the word homosexual with ...rebecca, if you replaced the word homosexual with Muslim or Jew it would make no sense at all; she was talking about disgusting acts.... not religion. Of course she could point out that Muslims have carried out some vile and disgusting acts.<BR/>As you compared homosexuals with two religious groups perhaps you have wandered in here from CiF and actually think that being gay is a religion....haddockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890864334999930139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56857735975826938392008-07-22T16:49:00.000+01:002008-07-22T16:49:00.000+01:00Condemning homosexual behaviour isn't bigoted.depe...<I>Condemning homosexual behaviour isn't bigoted.</I><BR/><BR/>depends how you do it. If you say "I do not agree with homosexual behaviour and I think it is wrong." then no, it isn't.<BR/><BR/>Making a direct moral comparison to sexually abusing children is bigoted. <BR/><BR/>Condemning as hateful someone who does that is neither hateful nor bigoted. <BR/><BR/>As I said, I'm no fan of the Outrage! lot, but to be fair the sanctimonious morality lot were allowed to oppress everyone else for centuries. So I can't work myself up to feel sorry for them now they feel they're on the receiving end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24909602528638687182008-07-22T16:16:00.000+01:002008-07-22T16:16:00.000+01:00Iain,Thank you for your blog - finally someone tal...Iain,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your blog - finally someone talking some sense. <BR/><BR/>How can this woman be allowed to continue in her post? I understand the right to free speech - but there are limits - if we replaced the word Homosexual in her speech with Muslim or Jew do you think this would receive so little outcry. <BR/><BR/>Methinks the lady protests too much? Perhaps we have a lady version of Paul Berry?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03352168400535688508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5298919027652068472008-07-22T15:24:00.000+01:002008-07-22T15:24:00.000+01:00My favourite t-shirt from RightWingStuff.com: "Def...My favourite t-shirt from RightWingStuff.com: "Definition of a Bigot: A conservative winning an argument with a liberal".<BR/><BR/>Condemning homosexual behaviour isn't bigoted. Being repulsed by homosexual acts isn't bigoted.<BR/><BR/>Condemning as hateful or bigoted those whose opinions you disagree with <B><I>IS</I></B> hateful and bigoted. Allowing ad hominem attacks does give succour to those who would engage in other attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70937829281363399552008-07-22T15:06:00.000+01:002008-07-22T15:06:00.000+01:00IainI think you need to accept that some people wi...Iain<BR/>I think you need to accept that some people will always be anti gay and it is their right to be so and express an opinion. The sooner gays stop drawing attention to themselves perhaps we could all move onJohnny Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900659617233793880noreply@blogger.com