tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post327676011938962875..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: Muslims Should Stand Up And Be CountedIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4639098297781844842007-07-04T08:18:00.000+01:002007-07-04T08:18:00.000+01:00Some very good posts here, especially by tom tyler...Some very good posts here, especially by tom tyler nad Newmania. Well done boys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-25544510657827753142007-07-03T20:38:00.000+01:002007-07-03T20:38:00.000+01:00one million, one hundred and fifty thousand, two n...one million, one hundred and fifty thousand, two nunderd and twenty one, one million, one hundred and fifty thousand, two hunderd and twenty two.... (feels better already doesn't it.)<BR/><BR/>Now is there a doctor in the house????!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39870990068391413332007-07-03T15:36:00.000+01:002007-07-03T15:36:00.000+01:00There is a certain hypocrisy in our calling for mo...There is a certain hypocrisy in our calling for moderate moslems to step up.<BR/><BR/>We have actively supported the imprisonment of the moderate & popular Moslem ledaer in Bosnia, Fikret Abdic, leader of the Bihac pocket, for the "war crime" of resisting press the al Quaida press gangs at a time when al Quaida were useful to us in destroying Yugoslavia.<BR/><BR/>It has been suggested that his imprisonment was really because if allowed to stand he would have won a democratic election in the Moslem zone of Bosnia repalcing our openly genocidal friends & achieving a reconciliation across the religious divide.<BR/><BR/>We wouldn't want that sort of thing would we?neil craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52837397610889952232007-07-03T13:09:00.000+01:002007-07-03T13:09:00.000+01:00"You are not born with a religion embedded. You ar..."You are not born with a religion embedded. You are free to walk away from it at any time."<BR/>That would be true only of a mad person. You do not <I>choose</I> your ethical/religious/aesthetic beliefs & opinions. You need <I>persuading</I> before you change them.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-4641204126486828282007-07-02T23:45:00.000+01:002007-07-02T23:45:00.000+01:00Anonymous 3:49- Could you explain your post, man? ...Anonymous 3:49- Could you explain your post, man? I just don't get it, man!<BR/><BR/>You said "this blog is racist, man". In what way? Where has anyone referred to a race in any of the above posts?<BR/><BR/>Don't tell me you are so ill-educated you think islam is a "race"? Do you think Christianity is a race? Do you own a dictionary? If not, I think there are some free ones on the internet.<BR/><BR/>Adrian Yelland writes: "Disliking someone disliking someone because of who they are (for example their sexuality) is silly because they can do nothing about it." Agreed. Absolutely. But then you continue: "Disliking someone because of their skin colour or religion is also silly for the same reason."<BR/><BR/>No,it's not. Certainly people are born with their skin colour and they had no choice about how they popped out of their mother. But you are not born with a religion embedded. You are free to walk away from it at any time, and many people do.<BR/><BR/>People who remain islamic are culpable precisely because it is not a condition of birth. They are there of their own free will.<BR/><BR/>Chris Goodman, well said!<BR/><BR/>Adrian Yelland: "avinash - or is it avinalarf?" Ha ha! I forgive you for the above solecism.<BR/><BR/>Avinash says: "It's clear that other bloggers including Iain Dale fnd my comments contoversial." <BR/><BR/>No, sweets, you're not intelligent enough to be controversial. This puts you below Jade Goody.<BR/><BR/>Tom Tyler is right. As a balletomane, I can see his points - so to speak. First the exotic men run onto the stage and do something very dramatic with lots of jetés! (For the ballet, they should ditch the rucksacks, though; too cumbersome and ugly.) Lighting effects! Cymbals! Drums! Screams offstage!<BR/><BR/>Stage is blacked out.<BR/><BR/>Different, softer lighting, softer violins and on comes the corps de ballet of BBC journalists and "communitiy spokesmen". They do a pliéd curtsey, one leg extended behind, their hands clasped in front of them and sadly shake their heads. <BR/><BR/>Or you could have a Greek chorus of Beebies and islamic spokesmen.<BR/><BR/>As Tom Tyler says, Alibhai-Brown is playing her part in the Greek chorus. "Ohhhhhhhhh! They do not understand us! A tiny minority are murdering Brits in their own country! Yet we are blamed! Hassled for wearing niqab on street! We are the 'vast moderate majority! Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!"<BR/><BR/>Ohhhhhhhh, shut Alibhai-Brown!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-13703886918740231012007-07-02T20:21:00.000+01:002007-07-02T20:21:00.000+01:00...and so far, it's working. The government is tak......and so far, it's working. The government is taking draconian steps to ban smoking <B>in</B> enclosed public spaces, yet is doing absolutely nothing to put a stop to smoking enclosed public spaces.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10843996857494739064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63883998661262316002007-07-02T20:14:00.000+01:002007-07-02T20:14:00.000+01:00I think Alibhai-Brown's anecdotes are pure lies, j...I think Alibhai-Brown's anecdotes are pure lies, just made up in her head. I know exactly how this plays out by now; it's a two-front attack on Britain: First the bombers attack (that's the "direct" action side of the coin) then immediately afterwards, a plethora of "well-meaning moderates" play the victim card and toss out a load of lies about how "REAL" Islam is actually condemning these acts and how the bombers are "hijacking" their good and pure religion, and how the answer is for us Britons to examine ourselves to understand why we have caused this extremism by our "Islamophobia". Rubbish, pure rubbish, and it's two sides of the same coin working quite deliberately in tandem with each other. In my opinion, Alibhai-Brown supports what (almost) happened last week (or at least, I mean she supports the eventual aims of such atttacks), and her article is deliberately designed to continue the smokescreen so that no-one will actually do anything about this problem. I see right through it.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10843996857494739064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76966178419572191022007-07-02T20:00:00.000+01:002007-07-02T20:00:00.000+01:00Bwoy, Avinash ya really know 'ow fe' get dem peopl...Bwoy, Avinash ya really know 'ow fe' get dem people dem back up, to rartid.<BR/><BR/>Me 'ave posted 'ere more dan once and not yet 'ave a feeling dat dis a blog fe' racism.<BR/><BR/>If me a 'tink t'ings a so me would a flame dem rass. <BR/><BR/>Me a feel comfitable in me skin and 'pon dis blog.<BR/><BR/>Bless ya Hiain, you is de daddy.<BR/><BR/>R'n'DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-63382347934486893462007-07-02T19:51:00.000+01:002007-07-02T19:51:00.000+01:00And what is 'indirect' racism, please, Avinash? W...And what is 'indirect' racism, please, Avinash? <BR/><BR/>Would a good example of that be murdering your daughter because she wanted to marry someone from the wrong tribe? Pretty extreme form of discrimination/racism that, I'd say, but then, what do I know, I'm only a white British, oops, English, oops, Jewish, oops, female, so my views don't count.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75018540251982895102007-07-02T18:53:00.000+01:002007-07-02T18:53:00.000+01:00I'm sure anyone who thinks some of these comments ...<I>I'm sure anyone who thinks some of these comments aren't racist is a white british.</I><BR/><BR/>What a racist comment from a silly kid....you really must start to think sunshine rather than make asides like "must be <B> a </B> White British"<BR/><BR/>It is people like you that stir up racial hatred...<I> a white British </I> is racist terminologyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23637025847558137122007-07-02T18:49:00.000+01:002007-07-02T18:49:00.000+01:00Avinash,That would be "White English" on my accoun...Avinash,<BR/><BR/>That would be "White English" on my account, if you please.The Remittance Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13104149259707414863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29449289486111139102007-07-02T17:43:00.000+01:002007-07-02T17:43:00.000+01:00I enjoy reading this blog everyday but Yasmin Alib...I enjoy reading this blog everyday but Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is an idiot. Her comments might carry more weight if she wasn't an apologist and cheerleader for Islamic jihadism herself.<BR/><BR/>Her Evening Standard article entitled 'My shame at savouring American failure in Iraq' is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read from a so-called secular liberal.<BR/><BR/>"I am now wrestling with the demons of callous triumphalism......I am ashamed to admit that there have been times when I wanted more chaos, more shocks, more disorder to teach our side a lesson. On Monday I found myself again hoping that this handover proves a failure because it has been orchestrated by the Americans."<BR/><BR/>How very brave of her, and her anti-war friends, to take such a morally repugnant stance. Who cares about the Iraqi people? Nothing is as important as giving Bush and Blair a bashing.<BR/><BR/>And her comments on Israel and Afghanistan aren't much better.NJM81https://www.blogger.com/profile/04393138491952233267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82546684296664929152007-07-02T17:30:00.001+01:002007-07-02T17:30:00.001+01:00AvinashSorry sunshine, the problem is almost entir...Avinash<BR/><BR/>Sorry sunshine, the problem is almost entirely in your own head, not ours. You have a serious case of victimhood brought about by over-exposure to the islamophobia grievance industry. If you want a really forthright dismemberment of the extreme elements of ismalic beliefs and practices follow this link <BR/><BR/>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/02/do0202.xml<BR/><BR/>and search for Zaphod comment at 1:08. As a kurdish muslim (at least he claims to be) you can hardly accuse him of racism or ignorance of islam. Personally, I don't agree with most of his "solutions", which have too much baby and not enough bathwater for my tastes. But then again I was brought up in a fundametally tolerant secular society. <BR/><BR/>To accuse (most of) the good people in this pretty mild-mannered blog of being racist is simply wrong. And calling us "white british" because we don't buy into your grievance, is itself overtly racist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88115191162156430602007-07-02T17:30:00.000+01:002007-07-02T17:30:00.000+01:00YAB says we are saying, "What's wrong with these c...YAB says we are saying, "What's wrong with these crazed Muslims?"<BR/>What is wrong with them is Islam. The only tolerable Muslim is a lukewarm lax one.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68640946205053450922007-07-02T17:02:00.000+01:002007-07-02T17:02:00.000+01:00YAB (like all Leftists) is primarily preoccupied b...YAB (like all Leftists) is primarily preoccupied by her own feelings - reality is of no interest to her. Her feelings are dominated by her resentments (of a world in which there are people who she perceives to be happier than her) but it would be a mistake to imagine that Leftists are motivated by a desire to make things better, the opposite if anything. Leftists thrive on the suffering of others, in much the same way that good people thrive on contentment. The history of the C20th (roughly speaking) is the history of Leftists trying to make themselves feel better by making other people suffer. This is why explaining to a Leftist why Socialism decreases freedom, increases poverty, and destroys fraternity is entirely pointless. They never were interested in these goals in the first place except as a way of expressing their resentments. The only frank answer a Leftist can give to evidence of a mass famine in China caused by Mao or the death camps in Cambodia is “I could not care less”. In order to satisfy their craving for power (a Leftist who does not crave political power [i.e. anarchist] expresses their obsession with themselves in other ways – such as impregnating and abandoning women or, for the more bloodthirsty, setting off bombs which kill people. Now YAB does not exist in isolation (Those Leftists who repeatedly emphasise community do not do so entirely as a consequence of their craving to punish people of whom they do not approve, they also do it because they want to escape their alienation – they are repulsive even (perhaps especially) to themselves. YAB takes it upon herself therefore to be the spokeswoman of the Asian community. Her hatred of the country that gave her sanctuary is expressed as support for her community. When attacked by Muslim terrorists attacked the West this induced in her not so much indifference in her as delight. Six years after that attack she suddenly decides to assert that British Muslims are proud to be British and proud of its tradition of liberty and tolerance. Why? Because she can see that if things do not change soon (there was a desperate hope that British Muslims would march in protest again Muslim extremists but there was only silence and polls saying that many supported the terrorists) there is going to be a backlash. Normally Leftists thrive in such conditions but YAB (presumably drawing upon her experience in Uganda) wants there to be a peace. What has happened? Well it is just possible that YAB may becoming a nicer, more grown up, less self-obsessed person. Maybe. I hope so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14003395284310422432007-07-02T16:55:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:55:00.000+01:00Avinash said... ....Where i'm from anyway, you jus...Avinash said... <BR/>....Where i'm from anyway, you just wouldn't get away with some of these comments.<BR/><BR/>And where exactly are you from and what exactly do you mean by "wouldn't get away with...".<BR/><BR/>Is that a threat "Avinash"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37221290780591108772007-07-02T16:39:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:39:00.000+01:00Which comments?Be specific.Which comments?<BR/><BR/>Be specific.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45416464488602354922007-07-02T16:34:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:34:00.000+01:00Hi,It's clear that other bloggers including Iain D...Hi,<BR/><BR/>It's clear that other bloggers including Iain Dale fnd my comments contoversial.<BR/><BR/>But it's true, i've just read over all of these comments, and some of them are shocking, and it fits exactly the stereotypical conservative image. <BR/><BR/>I'm sure anyone who thinks some of these comments aren't racist is a white british.<BR/><BR/>Just read the earlier comments! It's indirect racism, which is i guess anticipated given the state of things, but you might as well start using the word packy and get it in the open. Where i'm from anyway, you just wouldn't get away with some of these comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77179739813717943042007-07-02T16:27:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:27:00.000+01:00She almost suggests that if they did have "noble a...She almost suggests that if they did have "noble aims", their means would be acceptable.<BR/><BR/>She "wants" a fisking, as David Willetts might once have put it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-53868052052015124822007-07-02T16:21:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:21:00.000+01:00avinash - or is it avinalarf?This blog is not raci...avinash - or is it avinalarf?<BR/><BR/>This blog is not racist - but I could point you to some that are. Ones that say things like 'Death to the infidel' and 'death to Jews'!<BR/><BR/>This blog is about freedom of speech - man - which some might like to confuse with racism in order to clamp down on debate.<BR/><BR/>Racism is about the illogical dislike of someone based purely upon their skin colour or religion. <BR/><BR/>disliking someone because of who they are (for example their sexuality) is silly because they can do nothing about it. Disliking somneone because of their skin colour or religion is also silly for the same reason.<BR/><BR/>But disliking someone because of the things they choose to do - like crash bunring cars into airports to kill innocent tourists, or invade soverign countries to root out non-existent WMD is perfectly acceptabel.<BR/><BR/>I dislike extreme Islam. But I don't hate individual Muslims who follow their religion peacably.<BR/><BR/>So, am I still a racist - man?Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-48118803001611418312007-07-02T16:17:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:17:00.000+01:00Avinash, you have made a very damaging allegation ...Avinash, you have made a very damaging allegation against me. Please point out anywhere on this blog where I have posted something that was directly or indirectly racist. If you knew me you would know I would never do any such thing.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you have some sort of inverted racism against anything to do with the Conservative Party.Iain Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24933916706237171882007-07-02T16:15:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:15:00.000+01:00Trumpeter Lanfried Mine looks the same, running IE...Trumpeter Lanfried <BR/><BR/>Mine looks the same, running IE7 here.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38898137363977070872007-07-02T16:14:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:14:00.000+01:00Fatwah for Brown!The troube is that Islam is a rel...Fatwah for Brown!<BR/><BR/>The troube is that Islam is a religion which transcends national boundries. The first duty of a muslim is to his faith and religion, and not his country. <BR/><BR/>There is nothing at all wrong with this position, providing ones faith and religion are peacable, but if it isn't.....Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80264854582140734492007-07-02T16:13:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:13:00.000+01:00Hi, i left the coment about this blog being racist...Hi, i left the coment about this blog being racist earlier. I thought i'd use my name this time.<BR/><BR/>I just came accross it and as far as i'm concerned, it's very typical of what you would expect from conservatives. A load of indirect racism...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85665613527639632822007-07-02T16:01:00.000+01:002007-07-02T16:01:00.000+01:00Anon 3:49 - Hey man - you think this blog is racis...Anon 3:49 - Hey man - you think this blog is racist? What were your first thoughts when you heard about the recent terrorist attacks? Who did you think MIGHT be responsible? Did you notice how the media avoided stating anything about the perpetrators until much later?<BR/><BR/>20 years ago we would have assumed it was Irish republicans. Today we conclude automatically that it is likely to be a MUSLIM terrorist. We really need to get to grips with this problem and until airheads like you get your heads out of your backsides, we won't get very far, will we?<BR/><BR/>P.S. Which MP is hosting this blog? I'm sure he will be some day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com