tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2883695079284807638..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Well That's the Police Vote Gone...Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62785586536540738692010-01-01T23:12:12.697+00:002010-01-01T23:12:12.697+00:00@MOG_X34
“the police are just the paramilitary wi...@MOG_X34<br /> “the police are just the paramilitary wing of Labour” <br /><br />Based on my experience, I can confirm that this is true. They are eager to cooperate with political detentions by abducting people from their homes and locking them up in mental wards. The police can make obvious lies and the IPCC will try to ignore the complaint or, when forced to investigate, find in favour of the police regardless.<br /><br />For years the police have supported Labour and in return they have been allowed act as if they were above the law and to get away with murder. However, the police are about to learn the meaning of “sup with the devil” as Labour look to be about to stitch them up.<br /><br />----------------<br /><br />wv: dicalic ! Steady on!FTAC Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298337419619911920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54826166897944671322010-01-01T18:52:57.421+00:002010-01-01T18:52:57.421+00:00This, to me, is the first impressive thing I'v...This, to me, is the first impressive thing I've heard a Labour minister say in thirteen years. Once upon a time, ministers actually took charge of their departments and *ran* them, instead of spending all their time consulting and twisting in the wind. When the police went to Willie Whitelaw in the 80s to ask for extended detention powers to deal with the IRA, he laughed them out of his office. New Labour, on the other hand, just bent right over.Calumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15182157310434717769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-77791942905300421942009-12-31T21:58:02.045+00:002009-12-31T21:58:02.045+00:00Someone once observed that the Americans got bette...Someone once observed that the Americans got better performance from their police because they realised, as the British did not, the trick was to make their cars more comfortable than their canteens.Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-18624809955010543142009-12-31T21:57:04.314+00:002009-12-31T21:57:04.314+00:00Yes, the Police have too much paperwork, mostly th...Yes, the Police have too much paperwork, mostly thanks to Margaret Thatcher. But they are also overmanned, and overly fond of the warm, whether the warm of such stations as there still are, or the warm of the car.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70309661025492883162009-12-31T21:37:53.607+00:002009-12-31T21:37:53.607+00:00@ Kris
"the exercise of law and police discr...@ Kris<br /><br />"the exercise of law and police discretion should not be done on a popularity basis"<br /><br />Well, Amen to that. However that is precisely what is going on right now. Not only do we have politically determined police 'targets' but we have astounding amounts of knee-jerk legislation. The real pity is that there are disproportionate influences of local (or single)interest groups on what becomes national legislation, and arising from Ministers' own constituency concerns. <br /><br />Frankly I'd rather Chief Constables were elected than being members and servants of that sinister, maelevolent, cabal, ACPO.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8193942460439224172009-12-31T21:36:57.405+00:002009-12-31T21:36:57.405+00:00I don't often agree with Jack Straw, but there...I don't often agree with Jack Straw, but there is a kernel of truth in what he says. Many police officers do prefer to spend time in the warm in front of a computer in the police "office" (as they actually call them these days) rather than walking the beat or catching criminals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50974773246554601672009-12-31T21:08:32.310+00:002009-12-31T21:08:32.310+00:00As far as I am concerned, the police are just the ...As far as I am concerned, the police are just the paramilitary wing of Labour now - whether individual officer’s vote for other parties is an irrelevance.<br /><br />As Damian Green said this morning, the retention of DNA information has alienated large sections of the middle classes, those who would in the past typically help the police.<br /><br />You can include me in this group now - I wouldn't p**s on a policeman if he was on fire.Mog_X34https://www.blogger.com/profile/17756187429528349298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2197505692475424302009-12-31T19:56:06.439+00:002009-12-31T19:56:06.439+00:00No, I don't know anyone who confuses the polic...No, I don't know anyone who confuses the police (who are part of the Executive) and the Judiciary (err, who for the Judicial branch)<br /><br />The point - and I know it's subtle, so pay attention, is the exercise of law and police discretion should not be done on a popularity basis.<br /><br />No one has yet suggested that the judiciary should be elected. <br /><br />Wait for it.<br /><br />Now you tell me - why should Chief Constables be elected?<br /><br />Because we could do with our very own Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County here?<br /><br />All you people wringing your hands about the erosion of your civil liberties LOL - you haven't seen a thing.<br /><br />Sorry, but police policy is not a Conservative strog point.krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984620763250118501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-3916756325464775932009-12-31T19:31:57.496+00:002009-12-31T19:31:57.496+00:00@ kris
So, for you, policing is the same as the j...@ kris<br /><br />So, for you, policing is the same as the judicial process? Or perhaps you think that it's been suggested that judges and prosecutors are elected.<br /><br />Where?Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-14273571702394906872009-12-31T18:15:44.764+00:002009-12-31T18:15:44.764+00:00iain
Do you really think David Cameron is offerin...iain<br /><br />Do you really think David Cameron is offering the Police anything better?<br /><br />You're off your rocker.<br /><br />The boy Dave wants to put the Police on regular civvy worker contracts. I look forward to the work to rule culture and strikes he'll get to manage. Moron.<br /><br />But my absolute favourite? Let's have an elected Police Chief "like the USA".<br /><br />How frickin marvelous will that be? Maybe we just need another police/politician. Yay! Let's vote in Prosecutors next and hey, why not elect our judges too?!<br /><br />That's what I call justice.<br /><br />Good Lord.krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01984620763250118501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88678752022219546832009-12-31T18:04:27.108+00:002009-12-31T18:04:27.108+00:00JuliaM
Unfotunately the Chavs out number the dece...JuliaM<br /><br />Unfotunately the Chavs out number the decent hard working people of this once great nation. <br /><br />In my experience most decent people do not fight, throw beer bottles, assault total strangers, sexually molest the vulnerable for no reason and then decide to fight anyone in a uniform, whether they be medical staff or police officers.<br /><br />No one is suggesting the responsible or law abiding should be penalised.<br /><br />Please take a reality check on how bad it is out there, despite the lies spun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31285017656913116212009-12-31T17:56:07.389+00:002009-12-31T17:56:07.389+00:00Respectfully, the "our police are wonderful&q...Respectfully, the "our police are wonderful" meme (I caricature it, but only slightly) is a very unfortunate relic of old Toryism. The UK is now a fascist police state, and that is enabled by a fascist police force. They make up non-legal rules (eg about using cameras) arbitrarily to suit themselves. They retire from operational roles early on fat pensions and then come back in civilian roles. They make hamfisted and obviously political interventions (eg Damian Green). Occasionally, which is too often, they murder citizens (de Menezes, Tomlinson). No-one with any concern for liberty (and where are you on that, Tories?) should trust them an inch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27855363377629088942009-12-31T17:53:10.818+00:002009-12-31T17:53:10.818+00:00Jack Straw is and always has been a self deluded p...Jack Straw is and always has been a self deluded pillock and is still at heart an anti Police student activist. Dont forget peeps it was this useless asshole that inflicted the Human Rights Act on us....Mirtha Tidvillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07940977481295375071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-38230399446674581222009-12-31T17:44:10.381+00:002009-12-31T17:44:10.381+00:00Labour came in in 1997 with a Manifesto to reform ...Labour came in in 1997 with a Manifesto to reform crime statistics. They had claimed that the Conservatives were hiding crime and they would change the recording rules to give a more accurate picture. Jack was shit hot on this. <br /><br />The Police service warned him that his new rules would lead to a rise in crime of over 10%. In the event it was a 16% rise in the first year and going up to a 34% over the next 2 years as police forces adjusted to fully applying the new rules.<br /><br />Throughout this period the Britsih Crime Survey was showing that almost all categories of crime were falling. This had been the trend since 1995 and was expected to continue driven by changes in the demographics of young males in the population.<br /><br />This rise in recorded crime was therefore a simple redefintion issue. But by now Chopper Clarke was taking over. He wasnt keen to be seen as the Home Secretary who was presiding over a massive hike in crime and bad headlines. So we had 3 responses<br /><br />1 a knee jerk reaction and moral panic in the Home Office on the lines of 'the police are failing' we must have reform.<br /><br />2 frantic attempts to change definitions around the edge to lower the figures leading to pages and pages of detailed new instructions on when is a burglary not a burglary<br /><br />3 an entire new regime to drive up performance by giving officers performance related pay for learning how to play the game and fill in the forms so as to maximise detections. Soon in some of the 'better performing' forces whole teams of officers could be devoted to this. It was often called 'detection mining'.<br /><br />Now this did lead to a few absurdities. Let's suppose that two children got involved in a minor scuffle in school. In the past this tussle would have been dealt with by teachers. Not any more. Under the Nu Labour child protection guidelines the school had to tell police. In an 'efficient' force blows had been exchanged so officers would record 2 crimes (one for each 'victim'). The 'suspects' (who might be say 10 years old) would be hauled down to the nick with their parents. Fingerpints and DNA might be taken. They would dutifully get a caution or formal words of advice. The PC would fill in 2 sets of crime reports, two sets of forms for detections, CRO forms, fingerprint forms, DNA forms, a crime file and various notifications to Social Services, Uncle Tom Cobley and all. But at the end of it he/ she would have 2 detections - and that's what really mattered. That's one reason why by 2004 recorded crime had risen to 5.4 million.<br /><br />At last the penny dropped and later Home Secretaries cleverly realised that they could promote a drop in crime by changing the rules. So for example we had a Fraud Report and a change in the rules on payment card and cheque fraud. Try to report that now? Sorry sir, Police don't do that any more. Tell your bank and they will report it but only if they have a big problems, it doesn't cost them too much money to report it and they think they know who did it ie almost never. Result - hundreds of thoudands of crimes struck off the books every year and crime down below 5 million / year again.<br /><br />Doesnt it all make you feel safer in your beds knowing that we have men like Jack taking a strong leadership role in protecting usCynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-76962722345800901222009-12-31T17:36:25.273+00:002009-12-31T17:36:25.273+00:00I have always thought Straw, despite or perhaps be...I have always thought Straw, despite or perhaps because of his alledged high intelligence, an utter twat.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84975369235302904202009-12-31T17:18:34.973+00:002009-12-31T17:18:34.973+00:00Labour love the police
Police love labour,
they sc...Labour love the police<br />Police love labour,<br />they scratch beach others back, Labour want to control every aspect of society, the police also want to know every thing, the police want more power,(want everyone in the country to be on a DNA database)Labour want that too, they love each other, maybe the ordinary constable will be on "the peoples side" the upper ranks are all Labour toadies, who do not likegoing out on patrol, in a way straw is right. <br />Once talking to some Tory MP's one said to me, "oh the police want that" soon saw him right by saying the police also want ,,,, are you going to give them that?<br />so you too want a police state?<br />It is time the police started doing a proper job and not new labour left wing enforcement troopers.FireForcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17272793024367993465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7006221473994163282009-12-31T17:07:12.540+00:002009-12-31T17:07:12.540+00:00After almost 13 years of a Labour Government who d...After almost 13 years of a Labour Government who doesn't understand the word "independent" whether it be assigned to the Civil Service;the Judiciary;the BBC or the Police Service the next Conservative government has big task de-politicising the higher echelons of the Police Forces within the UK(especially the Met)and ensuring that they are a truly non-political body and that they concentrate on combatting crime and not indulge in political-correctness or other politically inspired actionsAugeasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-75473843031741727692009-12-31T16:36:41.870+00:002009-12-31T16:36:41.870+00:00I suspect the number will have halved.
Half of no...I suspect the number will have halved.<br /><br />Half of nothing is still nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42814959374008741052009-12-31T15:49:15.954+00:002009-12-31T15:49:15.954+00:00How VERY DARE YOU IAIN. The Police work their arse...How VERY DARE YOU IAIN. The Police work their arses off ...<br /><br />(1) Filling in forms for New Labour's targets<br /><br />(2) Going on Politcial Correctness training courses.<br /><br />(3) Arresting white elderly ladies to fill their quota of ethinically balanced terrorists<br /><br />(4) Hiding knife crime so they don't appear to be too many black kids in black gangs.<br /><br />(5) And if they get time they get to got out and duck abuse from Chavs on the Estates.javelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685858339910528013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73461831389652570342009-12-31T15:41:20.780+00:002009-12-31T15:41:20.780+00:00"...dealing with the misery that 24 hour drin...<i>"...dealing with the misery that 24 hour drinking has forced on society."</i><br /><br />Sorry, but just because chavs can't handle it doesn't mean the vast majority of people who CAN behave should have their freedoms curtailed. <br /><br />Harsher penalties for those who misbehave is the answer.JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9569020414290097662009-12-31T15:37:59.835+00:002009-12-31T15:37:59.835+00:00Halved! I think you could get them all into a poli...Halved! I think you could get them all into a police box (non-TARDIS) now...!JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-24923324965064353332009-12-31T15:27:04.601+00:002009-12-31T15:27:04.601+00:00"What's the moral difference between bino..."What's the moral difference between binoculars (technology for coppers, hurrah!) and CCTV (police state, boo!)"<br /><br />Perhaps if there was a plod standing behind every lamp-post or on every corner watching every move you made then they might start to get as intrusive as CCTV. At least they would have a real life plod using them who could take action to prevent a crime.<br /><br />CCTV is primarily used for collecting evidence to use in the prosecution of the person who murdered you or several injured you. Most of us would prefer that that crime never happened in teh first place because a police officer scared off the attacker.<br /><br />In the early days of wide use of CCTV it was used in the trial after someone was very nearly killed in Edinburgh(?) as he came out of a club. A group of people beat and kicked him. The police considered a "success" to have evidence rather than a failure because the attack took place without police intervention.<br /><br />One newspaper article described how now the police "investigation" into most crimes consists of sitting for many hours watching all the available CCTV footage.JMBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13862227988978988383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33996409115245158512009-12-31T15:02:23.213+00:002009-12-31T15:02:23.213+00:00Cressida Dicks, Labour luvvie Patrick Stewart and ...Cressida Dicks, Labour luvvie Patrick Stewart and the two self confessed cokeheads from Status Quo.<br /><br />Enough to make you weep.Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-39928945409634585062009-12-31T14:52:15.399+00:002009-12-31T14:52:15.399+00:00I'd be surprised if there were any Labour-voti...I'd be surprised if there were any Labour-voting police officers left after Jackie Smith ignored 'binding' arbitration on pay.Long memorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-22827708345208182902009-12-31T13:54:14.168+00:002009-12-31T13:54:14.168+00:00Speaking from a cops perspective, the ill informed...Speaking from a cops perspective, the ill informed comments from Jack Straw are of no surprise.<br /><br />I doubt very much that Mr Straw was working nights on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day or Boxing Day, dealing with the misery that 24 hour drinking has forced on society.<br /><br />Fortunately I get New Years Eve off this year.<br /><br />I hate NULIEBOUR for the damage that they have inflicted on policing.<br /><br />Twenty years ago, I could have an arrest and be in and out of the station in less than an hour with all of the paperwork completed. Now it takes several hours even for the most minor matter.<br /><br />It is not the police service that has scammed millions out of the tax payer on false expenses claims, second home allowances etc. Blunkett, Smith, MacNulty, Blears do as I say and not as I do.<br /><br />We are thanked for reducing crime or should I say fiddling the crime figures when it suits?<br /><br />Bunch of hypocritical scum bags.<br /><br />I will be voting Conservative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com