tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2714838821821365642..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Hesford Deals Further Blow to Baroness ScotlandIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88850660875220729592009-09-24T23:11:09.453+01:002009-09-24T23:11:09.453+01:00For the record,
After QT tonight, I think Barones...For the record,<br /><br />After QT tonight, I think Baroness Scotland should resign. I though some of the questions were nasty, and I think the UKBA arrests of her employee are dismaying.<br /><br />Despite all that, she needs to resign.<br /><br />PBH<br /><br />[PS: Despite being named (with Iain's approval) as a Labour troll, that's not true.]Paul Halsallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602075031268155220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17611865897736989832009-09-24T07:12:51.600+01:002009-09-24T07:12:51.600+01:00It was pretty well established a while ago that so...It was pretty well established a while ago that some politicians don't do the simple paperwork recent laws have wisely required of them (and, sometimes, us) when a fair few were caught out by election legislation when a few minutes work would have been all that was required for example.<br /><br />As per the declarations of interests and expenses, and capital gains, some just don't get it, as is commonly said.<br /><br />Not like the rest of us - eh? We love forms . . .Quietzapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422598703061456846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87506594483598695432009-09-23T23:48:48.628+01:002009-09-23T23:48:48.628+01:00I think that this has nothing much to do with Baro...I think that this has nothing much to do with Baroness Scotland and more to do with one Esther McVey and a rather slender 1097 majority.<br /><br />This is probably just a convenient excuse you get some moral high ground headlines in the local rag<br /><br />Go for it EstherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-1283849056071837232009-09-23T23:05:35.657+01:002009-09-23T23:05:35.657+01:00I think it was more to try and save his seat at th...I think it was more to try and save his seat at the next election.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-65773169218612137502009-09-23T21:27:31.373+01:002009-09-23T21:27:31.373+01:00Notts Al
You're one step ahead of me there :)...Notts Al<br /><br />You're one step ahead of me there :).<br /><br />I was thinking that enough time had passed after the raid for some items to disappear, enabling Brown to make his comments.<br /><br />Scary.john millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29638471636168342582009-09-23T20:55:37.253+01:002009-09-23T20:55:37.253+01:00Notts Al - It's iffy whether her husband would...Notts Al - It's iffy whether her husband would have much to contribute given that she was appearing on a Facebook dating page within eight months of the marriage claiming to be in "an open relationship" according to I think it was The Mail, although may have been The Telegraph or The Times.<br /><br />(This was the one from Tonga. Not the employer from Dominica.)Veritynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-51640306966371319162009-09-23T20:40:13.802+01:002009-09-23T20:40:13.802+01:00Rats would need to do far far more than this to sa...Rats would need to do far far more than this to save their lives. In most cases there is nothing they could do to avoid their rightful punishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-79866134151346867782009-09-23T19:52:43.148+01:002009-09-23T19:52:43.148+01:00Interesting points here: http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09...Interesting points here: http://bnp.org.uk/2009/09/is-baroness-scotland-stupid-or-is-she-lying/<br /><br />Well done BNP, too much to think the BBC would care to bring up these points!English Firsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13423078454157177708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10280483158988811962009-09-23T18:59:54.991+01:002009-09-23T18:59:54.991+01:00So why didn't Bojo's other deputy mayors g...So why didn't Bojo's other deputy mayors go when he got Ray Lewis wrong, with no checks at all, and didn't walk himself?Quietzapplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15422598703061456846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15054010463775972272009-09-23T18:55:29.685+01:002009-09-23T18:55:29.685+01:00I must warn some of those posting comments here ab...I must warn some of those posting comments here about the dangers of asking too many questions about the housekeeper's paperwork. For you never know. The housekeeper might be turning up dead next.Sir Edward Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10015408685370714759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59003267530077094322009-09-23T18:37:14.426+01:002009-09-23T18:37:14.426+01:00The Baroness has be really really dumb. She must k...The Baroness has be really really dumb. She must know that the fasted route to promotion in labour is to be forced to resign. You then get brought back at a more senior level, and if you can manage it, resign a second time. Then you get an even better comeback job. Fancy trying to hang on?, some people just don't want to get on in life. <br /><br />Peter, do Patricia a favour and pull her aside and explain how advancement works would you?APnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54094513349011616552009-09-23T18:27:26.110+01:002009-09-23T18:27:26.110+01:00John Miller,
I agree. Unfortunately the other sc...John Miller,<br /><br /> I agree. Unfortunately the other scenario is that after the raid on the Tongan by the border agency/police no documentation ever comes to light. Not sure where that leaves the prosecution case,although in order to get an NI No. (she must have one to pay it} you would assume that agency would require some evidence of legitimacy. So whence did that come? The employer?<br /><br />Of course the Tongan can blow the whole thing up, but she will be pretty frightened by now, and I do not expect revelations from that quarter any time soon.<br /><br />Her husband might be an interesting line of enquiry. He is a solicitor is he not? Surely he would have his wife's situation covered if only to protect himself.<br /><br />More to come though, I reckon.Notts Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06132579752584410452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70125040334769765562009-09-23T18:23:27.287+01:002009-09-23T18:23:27.287+01:00Well, well! Contrary to Brown and Blair's best...Well, well! Contrary to Brown and Blair's best efforts there are still men of principle in the Labour Party.<br />Watch now for the smear campaign from Number 10 against Mr Hesford.Bryan Dunleavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13550652628913169630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5686938010883876582009-09-23T18:06:15.954+01:002009-09-23T18:06:15.954+01:00john miller said...
It's never the act, it...john miller said...<br /><br />It's never the act, it's the cover up that gets them in the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-31574824684133372292009-09-23T17:50:01.676+01:002009-09-23T17:50:01.676+01:00I agree with sinosimon on this. The Labour dominat...I agree with sinosimon on this. The Labour dominated Wirral Council has sought to close some 18Libraries and public buildings: four of which are in Wirral West Constituency(Hoylake, Upton, Pensby and Irby Libraries) Hesford has set himself as the supposedly principle opponent to this Labour Council. <br /><br />One always has to be careful in dealing with Hesford. He does not like taking rough and tumble of political debate and threatens to sue (at times with success)<br /><br />He has an excellent candidate opposing him in Esther McVey but she alas has one of the most appalling Conservative Association in the Country riven by in-fighting and some bed-blocking mediocre Tory Councillors. Indeed only six of the fifteen Councillors in the Constituency are Tories and the Association has succeeded in losing a seat a year since 2005. Living in an adjacent constituency, it seems to me the only thing that unites the two factions in the Conservative Association is a loathing of Hesford. They both hate him big time. I've been told it goes back to his victory speech in 97 when he won the seat<br /><br />But the main opposition to Labour's closure plans has come from the equally excellent Leah Fraser in next door Wallasey.<br /><br />Hesford will certainly lose in the General but it will be because of Gordon Brown, not because of campaining by the Conservative Association<br /><br />But Stephen Hesford a man of principle. Not the Stephen Hesford we know in Wirral. A rather unpleasant man who is no loss to Government office.Chris Menziesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-50749766912794120372009-09-23T17:36:47.612+01:002009-09-23T17:36:47.612+01:00NottsAl
I did wonder how long it would take for t...NottsAl<br /><br />I did wonder how long it would take for the suggestion that Baroness Scotland (I take the liberty of abbreviating that to BS, given the circumstances)was presented with forged documents.<br /><br />If Brown is now suggesting this he is entering very dangerous territory.<br /><br />BS forgets to take photocopies of documents that are forged? How convenient.<br /><br />That line will unravel with alarming rapidity and could involve BS and Brown conspiring to pevert the course of justice if such allegations are not true.<br /><br />Why would it take so long to arrive at this explanation? If it were true BS would immediately have announced what documentation she had seen and then denounced them as forgeries. This she did not do.<br /><br />It seems that as the situation grows more desperate, so too do the explanations.john millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56897643671425590832009-09-23T16:29:56.293+01:002009-09-23T16:29:56.293+01:00Major Plonquer @ 3:11
"The Queen of Scotlan...Major Plonquer @ 3:11<br /><br />"The Queen of Scotland must fall on her petard."<br /><br />Etymology: Middle French, from peter - to break wind.<br /><br />Presumably what happens when you know you're in the sh1tJoe Publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-68814621573783529342009-09-23T16:20:26.911+01:002009-09-23T16:20:26.911+01:00"But there's still time..." (for Sco..."But there's still time..." (for Scotland to resign with honour)<br /><br />Sorry Iain, not now there isn't.<br /><br />1. She should have been sacked, & maybe Gordon would have preserved a smidgen of honour.<br /><br />2. She's brought the legal profession into disrepute.Joe Publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52910512958123405902009-09-23T16:08:24.176+01:002009-09-23T16:08:24.176+01:00So long since a Labour chap resigned on principle ...So long since a Labour chap resigned on principle that the BBC website can't spell it. They have it as principal. Berks.Tednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-6550521832481460012009-09-23T15:52:24.510+01:002009-09-23T15:52:24.510+01:00No - its even worse, its the incompetence of Labou...No - its even worse, its the incompetence of Labour where even if HMRC see that someone's illegal they cant tell Borders Agency as it would breach taxpayer confidentialityCynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852867933348403214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-88120378926277848792009-09-23T15:50:37.347+01:002009-09-23T15:50:37.347+01:00Living in the constituency I can guarantee you tha...Living in the constituency I can guarantee you that there is no principle involved here. Hesford has been looking for some way of setting himself up as an 'anti-labour' Labour candidate for a while now, as the writing is well and truly on the wall for him. This is merely the gift-wrapped opportunity he has been desperately searching for. Opportunist and self-serving, as per NuLabour manual.sinosimonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10842586408903341622009-09-23T15:50:11.687+01:002009-09-23T15:50:11.687+01:00Some of these scenarios suggest that the Baroness ...Some of these scenarios suggest that the Baroness could have been economical with the actualite. If it transpires that she has in fact lied then that could offer another reason for her to go. Indeed, she might find herself accused of perjury - which Lord Archer found is not treated like failing to pay the congestion charge, but instead earns a jail sentence upon conviction.It doesn't add up...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-62541884612700487072009-09-23T15:17:43.315+01:002009-09-23T15:17:43.315+01:00Maybe more of a desperate labour attempt to distra...Maybe more of a desperate labour attempt to distract from Cleggy's speech?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-49814963552351348772009-09-23T15:11:14.675+01:002009-09-23T15:11:14.675+01:00There are only two words that cannot possibly exis...There are only two words that cannot possibly exist together in the same sentence. These are 'still' and 'time'.<br /><br />No. The Queen of Scotland must fall on her petard.Major Plonquerhttp://plonquer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-45280446931651066522009-09-23T15:03:50.134+01:002009-09-23T15:03:50.134+01:00It's only a PPS resigning.
Probably looking f...It's only a PPS resigning.<br /><br />Probably looking for an excuse to dump the ministerial bags.<br /><br />Shame his resignation letter was so obsequious.<br /><br />Better than the rest though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com