tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2160867226167196798..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Unity is StrengthIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64192188871486219062007-09-25T16:08:00.000+01:002007-09-25T16:08:00.000+01:00I find it truly amazing that people on this blog a...I find it truly amazing that people on this blog are saying that Graham Brady has harmed the party with his stance on grammar schools - I thought that was Cameron and Willets.<BR/><BR/>And if the country is suffering from the burden of taxes and public spending caused by Brown then why is Cameron not going to change any of that except to make it more expensive to fly away on holiday?<BR/><BR/>As a conservative I am indifferent as to whether Cameron "the heir to Blair" has unity at his conference or not. You don't seem to get it -Brown is looking more and more like a statesman and Cameron looks like a, ahem, schoolboy and the Conservative party is in danger of being in breach of the Trades Descriptions Act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47873385142515087632007-09-25T11:13:00.000+01:002007-09-25T11:13:00.000+01:00Brown is an extremely dangerous bugger for the sim...Brown is an extremely dangerous bugger for the simple reason he is an introvert and demonstrates no emotion. His smiles are forced and he has to work hard to try and make himself appealing. He is ruthless and nobody is even close enough to him to know what he is thinking. People who call him the "clunking fist" are not far off target.<BR/><BR/>Then take Dave Cameron, a flowery child with stars in his eyes and an inner circle of adoring admirers, full of fanciful ideas on how to make the world a better place, and absolutely not a single sensible idea of how to do it. He's neither tough in a "tough" way, nor is he able to fight, unless it is by the Queensbury Rules.<BR/><BR/>Will somebody please tell me how Cameron is going to lead anyone to victory, other than by giving Brown a "Glasgow Kiss" or a hard kick in the nuts?Vienna Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03957194230173008975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64547804518567986652007-09-25T10:08:00.000+01:002007-09-25T10:08:00.000+01:00You are gibbering David and I`m too busy working. ...You are gibbering David and I`m too busy working. Not one syllable of that exists outside your K-papxian fantasies which you are welcome toNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-42724957275579620042007-09-25T09:35:00.000+01:002007-09-25T09:35:00.000+01:00Newmania, you have actually agreed with me. You ha...Newmania, you have actually agreed with me. You have set out how and why there will never be another Tory Government.<BR/><BR/>The Tories are simply no longer the default option in Britain, or even any option for most people: it would just never occur to well over half the electorate to vote Tory. I'm not saying that that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a fact. And you know it to be so.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, what you haven't even tried to do is set out how, when,or led by whom there might ever be one. When even Patrick Mercer sees more hope of doing anything politically as an unpaid Brown adviser without even being paid, then it really is all over.<BR/><BR/>As for whoever it as who said ban the Cornerstone Group, moral and social conservatism, which is of course incompatible with neoliberal economics, plays well with core Labour voters, but is hated by the One Party now fraudulently trading under all three names.<BR/><BR/>Together with the Keynes-Beveridge-Attlee Settlement and with all round patriotism (i.e., both southwards and westwards, not to say eastards as globalisation's erosion of sovereignty really kicks in), moral and social conservatism will be a key plank in the platform of the desperately needed new party.<BR/><BR/>Those three elements all play well to core supporters of all three parties. Do Labour voters want the Euro, or the Iraq War, or the unrestricted immigration, drinking, gambling, drugs, prostitution and pornography all required by the "free" market? Do Tory voters want to abolish farm subsidies or the NHS? For that matter, do THEY want or the Iraq War, or the unrestricted immigration, drinking, gambling, drugs, prostitution and pornography all required by the "free" market? The Lib Dems strongest support is in rural Scotland, Mid-Wales, and the West Country. And so forth.<BR/><BR/>Bring on the new party as soon as possible!David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82274090740609457912007-09-25T00:58:00.000+01:002007-09-25T00:58:00.000+01:00As I said to Felicity the other night....I blame i...As I said to Felicity the other night....I blame it on the bounce....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78161380891266823642007-09-25T00:21:00.000+01:002007-09-25T00:21:00.000+01:00Daily Referendum says: We have got a very real pr...Daily Referendum says: <I>We have got a very real problem here: there are members of this party who are anti-Cameron and have been very vocal about it. The problem is that some people are so shallow that they would rather lose the election than lose face about being wrong about Cameron and our chances.</I><BR/><BR/>No. We would rather lose the election, full stop. We don't want Cameron's faux socialism to be the alternative to the socialists real socialism. We want capitalism to be the alternative, and that is not on offer in the wonderful world of David Cameron.<BR/><BR/>Voters tempted to go with socialism-lite should remember that Cameron and his family and his clique are well-insulated against the proposals they propose to legislate for others further down the food chain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84412114176573409312007-09-24T23:51:00.000+01:002007-09-24T23:51:00.000+01:00Newmania, he'd have a job getting PR past Labour o...<I>Newmania, he'd have a job getting PR past Labour or the unions, but that's by the by.</I><BR/><BR/>The unions will be paid off as they have been <B>with my money !</B> .Pensions gold plated , 8,000,000 in the Public sector , and no accountability . Thats why they are in line now .(Not that anyone cares anyway.) You have a few preening idiots that have been lured into their ‘one meeting a year’ out of vanity. Not all the public is especially political but they recognise words like traitor disloyalty and dupe and midget. Noone on this planet we call earth gives this any thought at all except you. Are you seriously taken in by such a transparent petty piece of sniping ? <BR/><BR/>The difference PR could make is that it could allow second preferences to play a part and less people vote Conservative as a second preference. It could lead to a situation where the Conservatives might well be the largest single Party but they would have to work with the Liberals which in this country would be difficult ….not impossible though.As the Liberal Party leaves it socialist past I have hopes there is scope for cooperation but it is an unlovely prospect.<BR/><BR/>As for this <BR/><BR/><I>No Tory would ever be PM again. But none ever would have been, anyway. If you doubt this, then who exactly, when exactly, and how exactly?</I><BR/><BR/>Have you been drinking or are you being humorous ? I`ve not noticed you being funny before so I am going to assume you are sloshed, at your age as well. Labour have a just over a 5% lead probably less in the marginals which is why their MP`s there are desperate to go for broke now . They were recently well behind and the pent up loathing of this government will be vented on Brown from day one. If he scrapes home he may well wish he had not . There is of course the probability of a future Conservative Administration . It is, however , Browns stated aim to obliterate all opposition and destroy the Conservative party forever. He will do this by taxing them out of the country , settling their strongholds with immigrants and socially housed state slaves just as he has done so far. It is a sort of gradual ethnic cleansing and the country had better wake up to what he is up to . He is a new sort of danger , a man capable of leading us into post democratic age. His wish for constitutional change is driven by the danger of Scotland ceding and the consequent probability there will never be another Labour PM of England . He sees he may lose the game and therefore wishes to destroy our democracy. Milliband says "Another ten year plan" and I`m not sure he dosen`t mean a 1000 years of national socialist hell. We are not going to an election so much as resisting a Brown Reich. There will be no place for me in it .Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23067409429645289142007-09-24T23:22:00.000+01:002007-09-24T23:22:00.000+01:00So Tories should zip up even though they're being ...So Tories should zip up even though they're being led by someone who quite clearly isn't a Tory in any meaningful sense. Or if he is, he's happy to pretend not to be. And this is all calculated to get the Tories elected. <BR/><BR/>I think not.<BR/><BR/>Why don't y'all carry on being thoroughly nasty but just a teensy bit principled. You'll go down to defeat anyway, but you might as well try to retain some tiny shreds of self-respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-33569775560950332642007-09-24T23:21:00.000+01:002007-09-24T23:21:00.000+01:00So Tories should zip up even though they're being ...So Tories should zip up even though they're being led by someone who quite clearly isn't a Tory in any meaningful sense. Or if he is, he's happy to pretend not to be. And this is all calculated to get the Tories elected. <BR/><BR/>I think not.<BR/><BR/>Why don't y'all carry on being thoroughly nasty but just a teensy bit principled. You'll go down to defeat anyway, but you might as well try to retain some tiny shreds of self-respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54004033529368152522007-09-24T23:20:00.000+01:002007-09-24T23:20:00.000+01:00Ah, unity! Absolutely. I hope the real conservativ...Ah, unity! Absolutely. I hope the real conservatives unite in slow handclapping Dave onto to stage, and then get up and walk out in protest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-34973714805448110812007-09-24T22:36:00.000+01:002007-09-24T22:36:00.000+01:00this election guessing game is just a gimmick to k...this election guessing game is just a gimmick to keep the labour left in check at the conference. brown will confirm that there is no election just before the tory conference. that way the media will be able to compare united labour versus disunited toriesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67111462244048041332007-09-24T22:33:00.000+01:002007-09-24T22:33:00.000+01:00No doubt these words were written with some select...No doubt these words were written with some selection committee in the south of England in mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73769744438147504902007-09-24T22:30:00.000+01:002007-09-24T22:30:00.000+01:00David Cameron should ban the Cornerstone group - a...David Cameron should ban the Cornerstone group - and throw them in jail!!<BR/><BR/> <BR/>Dear David Cameron - Labour are saying what we've been telling you all along - stop moralising about 'traditional married couples with children'. <BR/><BR/>The message to you is: 'Families' come in all sizes and shapes, married and unmarried, with and without children, gay and straight. <BR/><BR/>Start sticking up for all of us - not just 'the chosen few' or 'the lucky ones'. All the children in the UK need your help. <BR/><BR/>I hope David Cameron goes HEAVY on social justice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85656803218146647752007-09-24T22:03:00.000+01:002007-09-24T22:03:00.000+01:00It's been really obvious for some time that Brown'...It's been really obvious for some time that Brown's best line of attack against Cameron was "Unity".. and, by demonstrating extraordinary levels of public unity he demonstrates his own strength. Strength, of course, being his new favourite word. <BR/><BR/>The Tories cannot compete with Brown on Party Unity, so Cameron appears weaker, which means the public will trust Brown more.<BR/><BR/>It's kinda sad that you Tories can't pull yourselves together long enough to bring down this corrupt, disgusting regime. I mean, seriously... the idea of 5 more years of this lot just makes me feel sick.<BR/><BR/>You want power but you quibble at the price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-73534101995535974852007-09-24T20:29:00.000+01:002007-09-24T20:29:00.000+01:00I know the old paranoia may be setting in a bit ea...I know the old paranoia may be setting in a bit early tonight but am I the only one that thinks there is more at stake at the next election than who runs the country for the next five years. <BR/>The public in their media induced naivety are seeing that 'nice' Gordon Brown chappy solving all these nasty problems and if we are not careful they will stop seeing the need for an Opposition, especially one that is continually divided or undisciplined (take your pick).<BR/>And dont forget once proud political institutions can become an irrelevance, just ask the LibDems.<BR/>I am not pleading a case for Dave but maybe a bit of discipline will give his successor a fighting chance whoever and whenever that isboanergeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01292685430478760574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-5400260394348909092007-09-24T18:24:00.000+01:002007-09-24T18:24:00.000+01:00Well said, Iain. Let's hope for a rousing conferen...Well said, Iain. Let's hope for a rousing conference!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2814119054038404382007-09-24T18:15:00.000+01:002007-09-24T18:15:00.000+01:00Iain Dale writes:'This is a sign of a disciplined ...Iain Dale writes:<BR/>'This is a sign of a disciplined and united party'.<BR/>The Tories were saying that about themselves right up to 1997.<BR/>Lemmings are disciplined and united;<BR/>even lunatics in an asylum excitedly agree with each other.<BR/>It's a mantra and it means absolutely nothing.<BR/>What's that fairy tale about the kings new suit of clothes....?bernardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362820080676686546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72446568952441620922007-09-24T17:42:00.000+01:002007-09-24T17:42:00.000+01:00IainWhat you are saying is just a paraphrase for "...Iain<BR/><BR/>What you are saying is just a paraphrase for "Stay On Message" - ie one of the things everyone hates about whipped politiciansAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-70035197202770382142007-09-24T17:05:00.000+01:002007-09-24T17:05:00.000+01:00I wouldn't dream of getting behind Cameron because...I wouldn't dream of getting behind Cameron because I believe he is as dangerous as Blair and Brown and all the other New World Order internationalist monsters.<BR/><BR/>He is, as someone said above, taking the Conservative Party over the falls and it will be a merciful death. They are clapped out and cowed. No bedrock of beliefs. Fearful and/or contemptuous of their own members.<BR/><BR/>I think they will meet their well-desrved end at the next election, and then a phoenix will emerge from the flames. I think people suppressing their own instincts and putting their shoulders to the wheel for Dave will be doing a disservice to Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61302137511980633912007-09-24T16:47:00.000+01:002007-09-24T16:47:00.000+01:00Newmania, he'd have a job getting PR past Labour o...Newmania, he'd have a job getting PR past Labour or the unions, but that's by the by.<BR/><BR/>We have people taking the Tory or Lib Dem Whip while serving as Ministers in all but name and salary - they are such true believers that they are doing it for free!<BR/><BR/>And we have members of no party (even including Digby Jones) serving as Ministers (even for Labour's most prized NHS) both in name and in salary.<BR/><BR/>So what difference would PR actually make? No Tory would ever be PM again. But none ever would have been, anyway. If you doubt this, then who exactly, when exactly, and how exactly?David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87887725465805965282007-09-24T16:16:00.000+01:002007-09-24T16:16:00.000+01:00Iaian's argument makes some sense if one is prepar...Iaian's argument makes some sense if one is prepared to hold one's nose and vote ABB (Anyone But Brown) to get this incompetent filth out of power.Yak40https://www.blogger.com/profile/10391635243252561168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82385221043525267342007-09-24T16:05:00.000+01:002007-09-24T16:05:00.000+01:00The media, with the help of the Labour spin machin...The media, with the help of the Labour spin machine, will be out to highlight ever bit of "Tory disunity". They are sure to go in droves to the Fringe meeting on Grammar Schools, which I hope Graham Brady will now keep away from- he has already done enormous harm.<BR/><BR/>My fear is that we are in real danger of losing some of our brightest and most promising new MPs and that we will be left with a rump of the old "dinasaur" guard who have done so much damage to us already and who give the image we no longer are trying to represent- the impression from a lot of them is that they have safe seats, good second incomes, so why bother?<BR/><BR/>Iain is right- the Labour party shows tremendous dicipline and you can tell there is a ruthles determination to win from Brown downwards. I wish that at least some of our invisible Shadow Cabinet showed the same commitment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80045574347941793002007-09-24T16:02:00.000+01:002007-09-24T16:02:00.000+01:00yvolndThe media, with the help of the Labour spin ...yvolndThe media, with the help of the Labour spin machine, will be out to highlight ever bit of "Tory disunity". They are sure to go in droves to the Fringe meeting on Grammar Schools, which I hope Graham Brady will now keep away from- he has already done enormous harm.<BR/><BR/>My fear is that we are in real danger of losing some of our brightest and most promising new MPs and that we will be left with a rump of the old "dinasaur" guard who have done so much damage to us already and who give the image we no longer are trying to represent- the impression from a lot of them is that they have safe seats, good second incomes, so why bother?<BR/><BR/>Iain is right- the Labour party shows tremendous dicipline and you can tell there is a ruthles determination to win from Brown downwards. I wish that at least some of our invisible Shadow Cabinet showed the same commitment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-69907708367772175512007-09-24T16:00:00.000+01:002007-09-24T16:00:00.000+01:00I agree with Desperate Dan - Cameron has turned hi...I agree with Desperate Dan - Cameron has turned his back on traditional conservative values - it is only right that the voters turn their back on him !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-80785451648458424312007-09-24T15:52:00.000+01:002007-09-24T15:52:00.000+01:00I agree with your point and Tories should take not...I agree with your point and Tories should take note. <BR/><BR/>However if I were a labour Brutus I would wait until a week or two before the polling date for maximum effect. The anti-Brownite lot (Charles Clarke & co) last showed their teeth when the labour leadership contest was on. So there is form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com