tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2078337078753907292..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: An Evening With Polly ToynbeeIain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-82662544928722737692008-01-29T20:18:00.000+00:002008-01-29T20:18:00.000+00:00BCS also misses repeat crime - if you suffer 100 s...BCS also misses repeat crime - if you suffer 100 similar incidents in a year because say you have neighbours from hell the BCS records this as 5.<BR/><BR/>Only crimes against the person count so let's ignore shoplifting vandalism etc.<BR/><BR/>As usual, Toynbee is talking tosh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90017971428326505202008-01-29T18:10:00.000+00:002008-01-29T18:10:00.000+00:00I don't think nife crime is up Iain.Knife crime, y...I don't think nife crime is up Iain.<BR/><BR/>Knife crime, yes.<BR/><BR/>Nife crime, no. <BR/><BR/>Unless you meant nice crime. Which is very much down. Or ice cream, which is cold. <BR/><BR/>Typical of journalists in the media these days, so lacking in knowing where the spellchecker is on the Tools bar...<BR/><BR/>(kisses and hugs as usual)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-81722980779702899182008-01-29T14:16:00.000+00:002008-01-29T14:16:00.000+00:00Polly Toynbee would be invited to my imaginary din...Polly Toynbee would be invited to my imaginary dinner party, alongside you, David Cameron, Johann Hari, Peter Hitchens, Prince Charles, Lynsey Hanley, and assorted other people who can disagree with each other in a polite, civilised way, I've yet to finalise the full guest list and the seating arrangements (people with different views are seated next to each other for maximum interest and stimulation of debate) but it's a cracking idea. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-37351748345592639132008-01-29T12:23:00.000+00:002008-01-29T12:23:00.000+00:00Anonymous said... "providing the the survey and re...<B>Anonymous said...</B> <BR/><BR/>"providing the the survey and reporting procedures remain constant, they are extremely valuable in establishing trends within the various categories of crime."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps, but doesn't that rely on the methodology being sound in the first place?<BR/><BR/>Crime statistics compiled by the police are not trusted because people, rightly, believe that many crimes are omitted.<BR/><BR/>To provide credible figures we have the BCS. Except that people don't believe that either. What makes you think the BCS is of any use?<BR/><BR/>For example, my neighbour was the victim of an attempted robbery whilst walking at night. The attempt failed because the dog she was walking intervened. There was no question of her informing the police. No one in their right mind goes anywhere near the police unless they have to.<BR/><BR/>I am reliably informed that in Derby, for example, the current street penalty for failing to repay a loan is anal gang rape. How would the BCS pick that up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-67959908189251949112008-01-29T12:05:00.000+00:002008-01-29T12:05:00.000+00:00You were both very good, and the evening produced ...You were both very good, and the evening produced genuinely enjoyable debate. Polly Toynbee was indeed charming and pleasant, which made the occasional left-wing bombs all the more jarring when she dropped them!Giles Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09257512119593812010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-78534457129812678752008-01-29T11:25:00.000+00:002008-01-29T11:25:00.000+00:00How exactly do you talk to a victim of murder or m...How exactly do you talk to a victim of murder or manslaughter then?<BR/><BR/>Ouja board?Julian the Wonderhorsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549466750020561144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23245581265375296082008-01-29T11:19:00.000+00:002008-01-29T11:19:00.000+00:00Iain said: "I really am far too nice for this poli...Iain said: <I>"I really am far too nice for this political mullarky."</I><BR/><BR/>Unless you're hiding behind your sock-puppets. Then all bets are off.<BR/><BR/>(I'd link to example, but I'm not allowed.)Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13292436411579226284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-47176615402304748722008-01-29T10:17:00.000+00:002008-01-29T10:17:00.000+00:00The absolute numbers in the ONS and British Crime ...The absolute numbers in the ONS and British Crime survey figures do have to be taken with a pinch of salt. However, providing the the survey and reporting procedures remain constant, they are extremely valuable in establishing trends within the various categories of crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-87851971388424964832008-01-29T09:55:00.000+00:002008-01-29T09:55:00.000+00:00So you're a victim of Polly's womanly charms then?...So you're a victim of Polly's womanly charms then? <BR/><BR/>Good Heavens. Steel yourself, man. Sometimes the most charming animals have to be put down for the benefit of all.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-64172393006086310532008-01-29T09:41:00.000+00:002008-01-29T09:41:00.000+00:00BCS also does not include rape and sexual assault ...BCS also does not include rape and sexual assault crimes. Understandibly so, as it's not easy to talk to panelists about their experience of these crimes. <BR/><BR/>However, 1 out of 10 women had been victims of sexual assault since the age of 16 in 2000 - that was the last time, from what I can see, that BCS ran a special automated module on this topic.<BR/><BR/>The point is that you have to take BCS with a pinch of salt and it really irritates me when lefties and New Labour types quote it and point at it like they would the bible to try and prove their arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-15313939478395932542008-01-29T09:00:00.000+00:002008-01-29T09:00:00.000+00:00you are looking sylph-likeyou are looking sylph-likejanestheonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17617250693471034197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8024723660360880202008-01-29T08:56:00.000+00:002008-01-29T08:56:00.000+00:00the compulsory 'crime is down' mantra - no public ...the compulsory 'crime is down' mantra - no public utterance is complete without it, whether it be the PM spaeking, or a humble PC, or even the exalted PT herself - should be howled down whenever it is heard.<BR/><BR/>It is straight out of the Doublethink manual: repeat the official party line even though it is contradicted by all personal experience <BR/><BR/>"isn't it wonderful, crime is down, all praise to the Party! now, about those knifings / internet frauds / Romanian crime gangs / etc etc" <BR/><BR/>Problem is that the Police have every incentive to go along with this dishonest nonsense because their bonuses are based on believing it. Likewise many Tory politicians at Council level - & most English councils are Tory-controlled - because they like to be thought to be succeeding in their public safety duties as well.Nick Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670594203660051701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-8539299799110504232008-01-29T08:36:00.000+00:002008-01-29T08:36:00.000+00:00It's that tie again !It's that tie again !Nich Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237390959601973501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-2309020799262803412008-01-29T07:07:00.000+00:002008-01-29T07:07:00.000+00:00Should there be a repeat event, may I suggest to a...Should there be a repeat event, may I suggest to ask DK to acccompany you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44770405920549955252008-01-29T00:45:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:45:00.000+00:00Your slimming is causing you to look increasingly ...Your slimming is causing you to look increasingly like Francis Urquhart. How splendid.<BR/><BR/>(What is "nife crime"? Do rises correlate with a decline in literacy levels?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-27861990118452760242008-01-29T00:32:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:32:00.000+00:00...and she seems finally to be having second thoug......and she seems finally to be having <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2246743,00.html" REL="nofollow">second thoughts</A> about her role as the Brownite Unity Mitford.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-30883927733524172032008-01-29T00:30:00.001+00:002008-01-29T00:30:00.001+00:00So Polly Toynbee believes that its perception of c...So Polly Toynbee believes that its perception of crime?<BR/>I wonder how often she walks in London, let alone at night. <BR/><BR/>Judging by comments by diablo above not at all. <BR/>I wonder what her annual Taxi bill is?The Military Wing Of The BBChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811519612440901811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-16990004476649941372008-01-29T00:30:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:30:00.000+00:00Pull the other one, it's got bells on.If crime is ...Pull the other one, it's got bells on.<BR/><BR/>If crime is really down, why are the prisons full? Is Ms Toynbee telling us that some of the inmates are just there on holiday?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13775753218753337766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-46843611495694508592008-01-29T00:29:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:29:00.000+00:00Government figures are so fiddled (take the CPI in...Government figures are so fiddled (take the CPI inflation rate for god's sake!) that nobody believes any of them, and crime figures are more easily fiddled than most. Take for example, another government claim about the reduction of the murder rate since it's peak in 2002, it is less than 2002, only because Harold Shipman has been a bit quiet of late! Also, as the audience member pointed out, a lot of crime is deliberately not recorded by the Home office and a lot of people don't report minor crimes unless they have to, for insurance purposes, because they know that nothing will get done about it.<BR/>Also, some crimes have been overtaken by better preventative security measures. More people have burglar alarms on their houses and have more secure doors and windows, than they used to (because they need to!) and car theft is less common because modern cars have much better security, and chavvy joy-riders cannot nick them like they could with older cars 10 years ago, there are a lot fewer old Ford Fiestas that could be stolen with a screwdriver, than there used to be.Geezerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03642135656070350953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56358554263975308972008-01-29T00:04:00.000+00:002008-01-29T00:04:00.000+00:00"Polly pointed out that the British Crime Survey d...<I>"Polly pointed out that the British Crime Survey demonstrated that crime was still down. "</I><BR/><BR/>The British Crime Survey is not the definitive indicator that Polly portrays it as for at least four reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. Not all victim types are included in the survey. As you say under 16s are missed out, so are tourists and migrants.<BR/><BR/>2. Not all crimes are included, vandalism of businesses and public property isn't included, nor is drug dealing. There are other crimes not covered.<BR/><BR/>3. The response rate to crime surveys isn't brilliant and the poor who live in postcode areas with the highest recorded crime rates are the least likely to respond. So it ceases to be random.<BR/><BR/>4. People's recollection of crimes that have been committed against them over the course of a year is rather sketchy at best.<BR/><BR/>The BCS is not worthless but the idea that it's findings supercede those of all other crime indicators is simply wrong.Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263275229285861236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-17518194634272109702008-01-28T23:45:00.000+00:002008-01-28T23:45:00.000+00:00She is a bitch Iain but then you have always been ...She is a bitch Iain but then you have always been a sucker for the patrician aristocracy ..(Its a gay thing )Newmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-58591953436462830902008-01-28T23:40:00.001+00:002008-01-28T23:40:00.001+00:00Polly Toynbee is not all bad. She is anti-religio...Polly Toynbee is not all bad. She is anti-religion and pro-gay, and so does not deserve the vilification heaped on her by right-wing commentators. (Just testing out my new "blogger" identity to see if it works; sorry if I am wasting people's time with a dull post.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-44464435204526148072008-01-28T23:40:00.000+00:002008-01-28T23:40:00.000+00:00Ms Toynbee is indeed a pleasant person, bright, ar...Ms Toynbee is indeed a pleasant person, bright, articulate and enjoyable to listen to.<BR/><BR/>But, she is however most on wrong things.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514885826616402615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-83852140170565914542008-01-28T23:32:00.000+00:002008-01-28T23:32:00.000+00:00From the photo it looks like you are losing weight...From the photo it looks like you are losing weight while la Toynbee is looking suspiciously chubby. Good to see that you are taking the Glorious Government's advice on avoiding obesity.<BR/><BR/>No bribes for you to lose a few pounds then?Ted Foanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04497077127882545545noreply@blogger.com