tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post2040837689280562052..comments2024-03-04T17:54:32.559+00:00Comments on Iain Dale's Diary: Could Labour Fold?Iain Dalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03270146219458384372noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-21812388225019340722009-10-02T11:27:16.747+01:002009-10-02T11:27:16.747+01:00Absolute nonsense. No - Labour will not fold. Th...Absolute nonsense. No - Labour will not fold. The same sort of rubbish was said about the Tories in '97. I think that there is something very off-putting and un-democratic about wishing this were true, and quite a bit of political naivety to think that it could be. You've just lost my backing in Bracknell because of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-59948709235338392612009-10-01T10:05:43.261+01:002009-10-01T10:05:43.261+01:00The unions will continue to slavishly support Labo...The unions will continue to slavishly support Labour while their leaderships want to do so. Meanwhile the members are slowly giving support to upcoming leaders who want change. Many union members are sick of a party so committed to mass immigration, the destruction of British jobs, and the handing over of many of those remaining to foreigners.<br /><br />Past performance is not necessarily a guide to the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-85963559092419076962009-10-01T00:38:51.563+01:002009-10-01T00:38:51.563+01:00To understand where Labour went wrong in the publi...To understand where Labour went wrong in the public sector, and to experience the biggest challenge to your thinking in your lifetime attend the fringe session at the Conservative conference<br /><br />http://conservativerealreform.eventbrite.com/ollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-9881131405644911022009-09-30T22:19:15.812+01:002009-09-30T22:19:15.812+01:00Labour has enough big donors who are willing to ba...Labour has enough big donors who are willing to bail out the party if needs be. They're not going to worry if they lose union support. Heck, there is even an opinion inside Labour that they don't want anything to do with the union's and would rather be rid of anything other than 'blank cheques.'<br /><br />I would be rather doubtful if Unite ever did withdraw it's funding, the same goes for Unison, GMB and some of the other affiliates with the exception of CWU. Billy Hayes never has been passionate about the Labour leadership. As my grandfather (a former CWU member and postal worker) said today: "Billy's a bit of a Bolshi."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23578635002829694452009-09-30T21:35:43.883+01:002009-09-30T21:35:43.883+01:00DIGNITAS:
PO Box 9 - CH-8127 Forch
National Phon...DIGNITAS:<br /><br />PO Box 9 - CH-8127 Forch <br />National Phone: 044-980 44 59 / Internat: +41 44 980 44 59<br /><br />Ask for a Group Discount.Joe Publicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-60691158506767340682009-09-30T20:29:35.467+01:002009-09-30T20:29:35.467+01:00Now, if the Sainted Tone were to give just 3 speec...Now, if the Sainted Tone were to give just 3 speeches (including the £180 photo ops with the gullible), then the deficit would be ooh all of 76p less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-7633235846316659452009-09-30T19:16:05.988+01:002009-09-30T19:16:05.988+01:00Things can only get better, eh?Things can only get better, eh?Dr Van Helsingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-52834173281983387032009-09-30T16:15:14.640+01:002009-09-30T16:15:14.640+01:00@ True Belle
Memory?
I can't recall.@ True Belle<br /><br />Memory?<br /><br />I can't recall.Unsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08307116169498533047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61507718779285280202009-09-30T15:58:29.390+01:002009-09-30T15:58:29.390+01:00@Mr Angry:
there will always be a left wing major...@Mr Angry:<br /><br /><i>there will always be a left wing major party largely bankrolled by the unions, that isn't going to change sadly.</i><br /><br />Why sadly? Do you think we should all be conservatives and that no other opinion has the right to be represented?<br /><br />It's stuff like this (seen in so many of the comments on this and other blogs) that makes me wonder about the right's commitment to democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-89818508785851171682009-09-30T15:54:13.030+01:002009-09-30T15:54:13.030+01:00"Labour Party Files For Bankruptcy"
It&..."Labour Party Files For Bankruptcy"<br /><br />It's the sort of headline which makes you want to pop open a champagne bottle, isn't it?The Grim Reaperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05543130733645367498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-72475197712877523072009-09-30T14:39:11.993+01:002009-09-30T14:39:11.993+01:00Perhaps Mr Brown should do more fund raising for t...Perhaps Mr Brown should do more fund raising for the party. <br /><br />I think a touring coconut shy, with Mr Brown as the star attraction, could bring in a river of cash :)Dave Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-23640491203456125792009-09-30T14:17:22.193+01:002009-09-30T14:17:22.193+01:00People on the left were saying much the same thing...People on the left were saying much the same thing about the Conservatives after both 1997 and 2002. And now look, the Tories are in full flow and look like election winners. This kind of talk is just wishful thinking on the part of political opponents of whichever party it is being targeted. <br /><br />Neither the Unions nor the champagne socialists will allow Labour to collapse, they may restructure it, but there will always be a left wing major party largely bankrolled by the unions, that isn't going to change sadly.Mr Angrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-86054917629020715072009-09-30T14:11:19.469+01:002009-09-30T14:11:19.469+01:00Raedwald said...
"So you think it's fair ...Raedwald said...<br />"So you think it's fair that a 30,000 voter constituency currently returns a single MP but a 120,000 voter constituency also only returns a single MP? You support our votes not being worth the same so long as that's in Labour's favour, as it is currently?"<br /><br />It is not really a party political issue. The figures you mentioned are for boundaries defined under the last Conservative government.<br /><br />There will always be anomalies due to geographical, administrative and social other constraints. For instance it makes sense for the Isle of Wight to form an electoral area. On the basis of its population it merits slightly under 1.5 MPs. i.e. it should return either 1 or 2 MPs. The Boundary Commission, in consultation with the locals decided that it should be 1 MP representing an electorate of 108,000 (as at 2006).<br /><br />That is the only real anomaly in England. The electorates for the other 530 constituencies range between 55,000 and 86,000. Not much variation there.<br /><br />In Scotland there are one or two constituencies with a very small electorate but they cover a vast geographical area.Newmarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-56327579765123116332009-09-30T13:39:57.855+01:002009-09-30T13:39:57.855+01:00So what is the difference between the way they hav...So what is the difference between the way they have run the country and the way they have run their own party!!! It may have been 1979 but Maggies 'housewives economics'are as relevant today as they were then. The pain of the 80's will be as nothing to our next 5 years. And then the bxxxxy labour will get back in again and cock it all up again.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13183345465496526163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-29844843901663393822009-09-30T13:25:12.223+01:002009-09-30T13:25:12.223+01:00could always nationaise them - ?could always nationaise them - ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-74062866826503717132009-09-30T13:20:51.100+01:002009-09-30T13:20:51.100+01:00"The idea of hostels for single mothers has b..."The idea of hostels for single mothers has been exposed as such by Guido."<br /><br />Well he'd know wouldn't he?Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01542633492362670045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-61164296790159549782009-09-30T13:00:27.242+01:002009-09-30T13:00:27.242+01:00Political parties are not companies (although they...Political parties are not companies (although they may establish parties) and so do not have "directors" and limited company law does not apply.<br /><br />In reality much of Labour's "debt" comes in the form of loans from the Co-Op bank and similar, so is most unlikely to be "called in".<br /><br />I think the reality of this coming election will be more spending than ever by all three parties. Shame really, as the ongoing americanisation only serves to obscure issues and reduce intelligent debate. Result? Ever increasing levels of voter abstention. Expect record lows this time around.DespairingLiberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02903904463236135611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-54646720232500451242009-09-30T12:46:47.563+01:002009-09-30T12:46:47.563+01:00Hi Iain, this is old news! The only reason the par...Hi Iain, this is old news! The only reason the party hasn't folded is that the Co-operative Bank are allowing them to trade, by footing the bill of a multi million pound overdraft the Party has no hope of repaying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11966139481646150172009-09-30T12:32:22.457+01:002009-09-30T12:32:22.457+01:00"""I understand that even at this s..."""I understand that even at this stage Labour is struggling to meet its annual loan interest payments of £2 million. They cannot pay back their existing loans and in any normal meaning of the term, they are technically insolvent. """<br /><br />Well, that's really and truly great Karma, is it not? They've done it to the country and now they've done exactly the same thing to themselves too. Do you think that, finally, this will get it home to them exactly how fiscally irresponsible their number one core principle and belief is? <br /><br />If it does (and I'm not holding my breath) will they finally understand that the Labour Party is bankrupt in more than one way? If they don't really actually have a guiding principle, what is the point in their existence anyhow?<br /><br />RIPBrett Trevalyannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-10769170723452798502009-09-30T12:18:20.808+01:002009-09-30T12:18:20.808+01:00We need a wealthy Tory to buy up the interlectual ...We need a wealthy Tory to buy up the interlectual property of the Labour party from the liquidator. So any successor left wing party can't use the red flag or rose logo or name "The Labour Party"DevonChapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-11326679705743820402009-09-30T12:15:39.077+01:002009-09-30T12:15:39.077+01:00Someone has to be the first to take them to the ba...Someone has to be the first to take them to the bankruptcy courts by withdrawing their loans, but will that happen when Labourites are in positions of power within our zombiefied banks?Stronghold Barricadesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-40801535625254841842009-09-30T12:09:29.980+01:002009-09-30T12:09:29.980+01:00The major parties all see politics in a way that f...The major parties all see politics in a way that few of the public see it.<br /><br />The old revolving door of labour's turn, then conservatives turn then labours turn... etc is no longer an acceptable option for most ordinary folks who see promises being made to gain votes only to see tese promises discarded once the new team get the keys to the safe. Simply unacceptable and in most other areas of life would be breech of contract and perhaps criminal.<br /><br />The old and false paradigms of left and right simply do not apply any longer, but the big 3 seem top be stuck in this obsolete model. <br />I personally would like to see the entire old crew from the 3 major parties thrown out of office altogether. The public are who counts in this country, it is the public that pays and it is the public who HAVE NOT been represented for many years, the pols seem to think that it is their game and their ball - Wrong.<br /><br />A full set of brand new MPs preferably all Independents or from small or even new parties are what is needed, a total remake of this poxy system is required.<br /> <br />The system has been hi-jacked over the years and currently ONLY serves the 600-odd MPs and few to none of the 60-odd million voters. <br /><br />The public have been deceived, abused, robbed blind and insulted by Labour for 13 years, and it looks like Labour will continue this abuse until they are finally despatched to the skip, hopefully, very soon.<br /><br />The paying PUBLIC want to be fairly represented and they need a process to kick out non-performing MPs. Perhaps then the public will resume an interest in the government and politics in general.<br /><br />The old game of cronies, privilege, self gratification and yes, corruption has to stop and power returned to those who these clowns are meant to be representing.<br /><br />Reminder to our glorious MPs : <br />You are meant to SERVE the public. <br />You are supposed to REPRESENT the public.<br />The public is YOUR BOSS.<br /><br />I think that the population is, perhaps for the first time in history, more aware of the goings on in Westminster and are simply refusing to accept the old way of doing political business and are pushing back against the incessant shafting and abuse of power being dealt out by these current team of clowns - of ALL parties.<br /><br />If they are going to make promises then they need to deliver, or face the sack.<br /><br />Fresh faces and fresh ideas that actually give back some benefits to everyone and not a few otherwise unemployable career and parasitical politicians and their sycophantic followers - is what we need - soon not in 10 years.<br /><br />Oh and while I'm on the soapbox - we the public would like to see these people subjected to the SAME LAWS as everyone else. The days of not applying law to the 600 has simply got to end.WobblyJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-84207282537420932352009-09-30T12:08:46.466+01:002009-09-30T12:08:46.466+01:00true the Labour Party is technically bankrupt but ...true the Labour Party is technically bankrupt but so also is the Conservative Party .<br /> Y/E 31/12/2006 £ 9.0m net debts<br /> Y/E 31/12/2007 £ 7.75m net debts<br /> Y/E 31/12/2008 £ 7.46m net debts .<br /> Their major financial asset Smith Square has been sold .Mark Seniorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06482009878893889107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-90532183636115125472009-09-30T12:04:42.546+01:002009-09-30T12:04:42.546+01:00Unsworth -
I am soooh angry, more than ever I tho...Unsworth -<br /><br />I am soooh angry, more than ever I thought I could be.<br /><br />Yep , sweeping generalisations, whats happened to your memory then?True Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16296161522047947133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6214838.post-26353893832944352842009-09-30T11:55:13.887+01:002009-09-30T11:55:13.887+01:00DespairingLiberal and Gary Elsby stoke are both ri...DespairingLiberal and Gary Elsby stoke are both right; the Labour Party will continue regardless.<br /><br />I can only use Newham as an example and here the local "Labour Party" is as far removed from anything anyone would expect a democratic socialist organisation should be. For years it has been a fiefdom for the local elected mayor and his cabal of cronies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com